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RFK Jr: Taking the Stolen Election Seriously

By Thom Hartmann, AlterNet. Posted June 7, 2006.


In his Rolling Stone article, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. reveals how the Republican Party engaged in a criminal conspiracy to both steal the 2004 election, and to cover up evidence of the theft.

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has written a brilliant new article about the biggest political story in the history of the United States: An American politician illegitimately took the office of president by outright theft and fraud. Although such high crimes and misdemeanors have been rumored in previous elections, none in the history of the republic have been so thoroughly documented. George W. Bush is not the legitimate president of the United States.

Schoolchildren read (in the few remaining civics classes in America) about the multiple pollings and tense standoff that led to Thomas Jefferson's election as president in "the Revolution of 1800," because newspapers of the day looked into and reported on such things. But -- unless we speak out -- odds are that few will read about what happened in Ohio in 2004 in future history books, because modern newspaper editors are increasingly corporate appendages, and many of today's "reporters" worry more about currying favor with institutional power than investigating stories that may inconvenience or upset their "sources."

Kennedy's story -- "Was The 2004 Election Stolen?" -- broke on Thursday, June 1, 2006, when Rolling Stone magazine put it on their website and it was reprinted on other websites. It hit the newsstands soon thereafter. In the article, Kennedy lays out the details of exactly how the Republican Party, in several states but particularly in Ohio, engaged in a criminal conspiracy to both steal the 2004 election and to cover up the evidence of that theft.

The subtitle of the article lays out Kennedy's foundational premise: "Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House." And that's just the beginning of the story, which includes ballot-box stuffing, electronic voting machine manipulation, "caging" in defiance of a court order banning Republicans from the notorious practice, threats and intimidation of Democratic voters by imported Republican goon squads, and multiple illegal uses of the office of the Secretary of State to disenfranchise Democratic voters.

The Republican rebuttals/attacks have already begun, starting with a particularly tragic hit-piece in one of the higher-profile "online magazines" that claims to authoritatively quote so-called but unnamed "experts" who doubt Kennedy's sources, and takes a clip of Ohio law so out of context as to essentially reverse its meaning in support of the Republican talking points.

The day Kennedy's article came out, Republican callers began dialing into talk radio shows complaining about "massive Democrat (sic) voter fraud by registering illegal immigrants" (to quote a caller to my Air America Radio program on 6/2/06). Clearly the meme Republicans will put out if Kennedy's story gets traction in the mainstream media is that "election fraud is something both parties do," and they'll use that meme to push even harder for more Republican-helpful restrictions on voters who are old, urban, or poor enough not to have or easily acquire two forms of government-issued ID. We can't let them -- this is about real crimes, and the destruction of democracy in our republic.

Kennedy's article is an in-depth, on-the-ground report from Ohio about the 2004 election. In it, he acknowledges that he is building on the work of many who preceded him - this was a story not particularly difficult to uncover, even though the mainstream media has chosen to ignore it. Seminal investigations were done by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman of the Columbus, Ohio Free Press, and by Michigan Congressman John Conyers, who held hearings in Ohio that resulted in a summary report now available in book form titled What Went Wrong In Ohio (all referenced by Kennedy).

Just after the 2002 elections, I wrote an article for Common Dreams outing Senator Chuck Hagel's odd journey from voting machine peddler to the US Senate (being elected on his own machines). Six months later, in the summer of 2003, MoveOn.org commissioned me to write a round-up article about voting machine problems which they emailed to over 2 million members, and was published on AlterNet. In both articles (and others since), I was building on the work of Bev Harris of blackboxvoting.org, Lynn Landes, and many others, just as Kennedy has done.


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Spitting In the Image
Posted by: feller on Jun 7, 2006 2:43 AM   
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It's good to see that age appropriate material is available bor aging baby boomers in the cultural version of Modern Maturity: Rolling (Arthritic) Stone. As always, between auto accidents and rape cases, the Kennedys continue to try to be Relevant.

The Kennedys were more interesting and powerful when they stole elections "fair and square", like in Illinois in 1960 with the help of Tony Accardo, Sam Giancana and other colorful political 'consultants' .

JFK had a wry sense of humor. He would find this article to be very amusing, along with what has become of the "liberal" movement. He would not be surprised; he had little use for idealists like Stevenson, Eleanor Roosevelt and the "let the UN do it" crowd of the '50's. He and his brother flattened the libs at the 60 convention, giving them but a glancing nod in his march to power. Jack Kennedy was a pragmatist, a ruthless one with as much fire in his belly for doing what had to be done as his allegedly more ruthless brother, RFK Jr.'s dad.

With JFK's passing and the subequent death of Bob Kennedy Sr., the Kennedys descended into media shadowdom and shallowness. They remain good copy for People and New York magazines. But, in fact, they have been irrelevant since 1968 in terms of real impact on who holds power in this country.

RFK Jr. is is truly pathetic. Kennedys were not whiners. Joe Kennedy embodied the American political system, warts and all. However now, the watered down his progeny whine. . Somewhere, down in Hell, Jimmy Hoffa has the last laugh, Jack is shaking his head in knowing cynicism, and Joe Kennedy is sneering.

As for Richard Nixon, he loves it, every minute of it.
Shakespearian tragedy evolved into farce.

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» Thanks! Posted by: bonzi
I hate to break the news to you....
Posted by: wli on Jun 7, 2006 3:56 AM   
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This will never appear in major papers or network news except as already described in the article because (drum roll, please) the papers and network news are owned by right-wing billionaires who are bankrolling George W. Bush. After all, how did their original descriptions of these phenomena get so distorted?

This will never be officially investigated, much less prosecuted. It's far, far too late. The courts are packed. The FBI is chock full of right-wing ideologues of the sort that went about COINTELPRO schemes (and still do, c.f. Bari/Cherney, THERMCON, et al, not to mention more recent usage of agents provocateurs against street demonstrators). Guess who's already got a majority in both Houses of Congress, a President, and several Supreme Court Justices in place to block any and all investigations?

I'll concede that it might wake some people up to what's going on, but how many weren't already convinced who will be? The statistics are grim. There's no converting right-wingers. They live in their own version of reality, speak a different language, and so on. There will be no Rosetta stone; they will remain brick walls. Perhaps it's appealing to the majority, since, after all, their majority of votes was thwarted? Not so hopeful; a large proportion of them noticed immediately, and if they're so readily thwarted, what are they expected to do now?

A large aspect of the "dilemma" we face is the criminalization of the state, where the criminals occupy the positions of power wherefrom they can exonerate themselves. This is not so readily resolved by mere impeachment or by publishing articles about how those now in power overthrew the government or by street demonstrations. The ejection of a single figurehead from office as a conciliatory gesture (as in the case of Nixon) has little bearing on the overall control of the government by the criminal organization, regardless of how high the office the figurehead holds. Furthermore, as the number of officials needing to be dealt with increases and their public visibility decreases, the stamina of reform efforts very quickly fizzles out. Hence the FBI was never seriously prosecuted for COINTELPRO (of which most Americans remain ignorant, similar efforts persist to this day, more violent and on grander scales), Congress wasn't examined at all for its role in such affairs (or Vietnam, or the various coups d'etat, or covert actions), etc.

It's wishful thinking at best to continue toeing the line that some sort of mere aberration happened that will later be corrected. In fact, the characterization of the electoral fraud belies the true nature of the events. The fraud was no mere "illegal partisan ploy." It was a coup d'etat in 2000. The fraud in 2004 was little more than maintaining the grip on power. Consider this very carefully. When a country and its government are overthrown, you don't get it back after waiting a few years, particularly not by default and especially not by means of elections. You also are guaranteed of no limits whatsoever on the agendas of the putschists.

A historical example is enlightening: the Corrupt Bargain of 1877, for the rigged election of 1876. It was not until 88 years later that the vote of African-Americans was "formally" restored, and even that rings hollow given the Jim Crow tactics of the 2000 and 2004 elections. The country is not lost for just Bush's term or a mere generation; it's lost for the foreseeable future.

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» So??? Posted by: alternetty
» RE: I hate to break the news to you.... Posted by: pleaseplanttrees
it is true
Posted by: rsaxto on Jun 7, 2006 4:11 AM   
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While it is true that many elections have been stolen in American history, never before in America have three national elections in a row been stolen by the same party. We need to impeach the definitely guilty Republicans in the White House and elsewhere and then petition the United Nations to help reform and monitor all future elections in the USA so that we can live in a free and fair democracy for the remainder of American history.

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Then we'd have to DO SOMETHING
Posted by: Urstrly on Jun 7, 2006 4:50 AM   
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The evidence that both the 2000 and 2004 were stolen has been there all along, yet even before the Electoral College met, the Democrats seemed nervous about suggesting that was the case. Neither Gore nor Kerry had the stomach for it. Except for Conyers and a few others, Democrats in Congress seem to be unwilling to sue for impeachment because it will disrupt things in an unnpredictable way. Who's to say that Bush wouldn't walk free and turn really vengeful, I guess they're thinking. It's not the Kennedys who have lost their vigor, it's the larger party, and unless the Democrats are willing to go out on a limb, I don't expect the corporate media to go there.

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» RE: Then we'd have to DO SOMETHING sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
Usurpation and American Patriotism
Posted by: Citizendeane on Jun 7, 2006 5:02 AM   
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Not only is Bush illegitimate, he is a usurper-- "one who seizes power from another, usually by illegitimate means". Our Declaration of Independence was an explicit rejection of usurpation.

"The history of the present King of Great Britain [George III] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."

We need a second American Revolution. That is what American patriots do.

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sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jun 7, 2006 5:36 AM   
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The Rs are never going to be worried about election integrity as long as they can buy them. In the California race for Cunningham's seat the GOP only won by 5% in a heavily Republican district by almost doubling the Democrat's spending. Is a lesson on the R'S vuiw of of corruption, the end justify the means.

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» RE: sickofsleaze Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: sickofsleaze Posted by: COC
The active participation of the American corporate media in high crimes
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 7, 2006 5:39 AM   
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The New York Times article is a good example of how the media has collapsed as an independent institution in the United States. It is very clear that in 2000 the election was decided by a 5-4 vote of the Supreme Court, and one has to ask why the New York Times went to such lengths to deny this. Could it be that the NYT corporate board called up the editors and explicity told them what kind of coverage they expected to see? And why does the NYT corporate board have a member of the 'private equity i.e. arms trading' Carlye Group on it (William E. Kennard)? Not to pick on him or the Times in particular; that's just an example of the general corporate media agenda.

A very important and overlooked issue in the case of stolen elections is the absence of exit polls - for years, elections were accurately predicted on the basis of exit polls conducted by various media outlets - and yet now the media has absolutely abandoned this practice. There's only one logical explanation - exit polls that disagree with Diebold voting machines serve as powerful evidence of electoral fraud, and the media owners don't want this exposed.

Some citizen groups have decided to run local exit polls on their own dime, but it's a bit of an expensive proposition and again, these efforts are unlikely to get much media coverage. I'd suggest calling up every media outlet in your area, from the editors at the NYT to the cable news networks to your local area paper, and ask for a written, signed statement explaining why they've abandoned the practice of exit polling.

Consider another important media story - the Haditha massacres (and all the other ones). Would this even have broken the surface of the media pool without the courageous help of John Murtha? We need to support Democrats who have guts, and RFK Jr. is definetely in that category.

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» Come again: who's on crack? Posted by: thoughtcriminal
Let's Nominate Someone who Will Fight for It.
Posted by: Sment on Jun 7, 2006 6:31 AM   
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Gee, thanks Robert for writing a book on the obivious. I think it took Kerry what, 2.5 seconds to conceed the election? Gore hung in there for a good couple days, but then some right winger called him a "sore loser" and he conceeded the election after that.

Unless we have a candidate who will fight for the seat, what can we do but blog?

Hey Dems, How's about a little ambition!? I'll go to the matresses for a fair election, but only if the guy wants it.

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Democratic Party, Stand Up and Market This
Posted by: BPCBob on Jun 7, 2006 6:32 AM   
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Democrat's, take this opportunity and run with it, it’s a three for one. Brand Republicans as bad for stealing the votes of individual American’s, brand yourself and the Democratic party as good for trying to prevent Republicans from stealing the votes of good people, and make it harder for Republicans to succeed with vote rigging in the next election. If Democrat's don’t stand up for this one and start now, it will be too late and they will steal another election.

On the talking points (Democrat's need some help in this area), Don’t say “Republicans stole the election”. Stop being self referential, and say something like, “Republican’s committed massive election fraud”, “Republican’s stole the legitimate votes of 100’s of thousands of honest, hard working, American’s”, “Republican’s don’t just steal tax payer money and give it to their rich friends, they have the nerve to steal the votes of honest American’s”. Say the same thing over and over whenever you have the chance.

Don’t use underclass, wimpy, language (like disenfranchised voters) in your talking points, most voters don’t want to self identify with being helpless and abused.

The honesty of voting, along with the right of free speech and assembly, and the right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure, is the root of all our freedoms.

Republican's have eroded all of these rights and Democrat's have not been effective in protecting them. Draw a line in the sand on vote stealing. Do it now.

In addition to encouraging the Democratic party to get on the waiting list for a spine transplant we need to face another issue. The media may just stop paying for exit polling. What kind of pressure can be applied to the media to ensure that they keep funding and reporting exit polling?

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true : whining is for whiners
Posted by: concerned Canadian on Jun 7, 2006 6:45 AM   
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Subtlety and nuances are for diplomatic discussions. But even then there comes a time when some diplomat slams his shoe on the table in order to hammer home a point and you have to respond. Had JFK responded to Kruschev the way present day Democrats respond to the present dictatorial leader, then America would have been nuked or at least held at ransom by nuclear weapons 90 miles from its coast. Where are the real Democrats who will lead the next fight to prevent another stolen election. 911, stolen elections, at what point in this escalating attack on your own house are you willing to admit that the enemy must be faced not with nuances and polished subtleties, but with a resolute will to take America back to Democracy? When? Who?

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» Go save an Eskimo Posted by: feller
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We could lose this outlet
Posted by: nickprogresss on Jun 7, 2006 7:19 AM   
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I'm glad we have this outlet to inform us of such crucial issues.

But I'm afraid it might not last!

Check out this short video explaining how the Internet may soon be much more like the medium of TV - highly structured and controlled by financial interests!!

Spread the word - use the Internet to save the Internet.

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Kerry did try
Posted by: Marjorie G on Jun 7, 2006 8:07 AM   
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We need to stop making Kerry the scapegoat. Many of the stunts were legal, the Ohio courts stacked, and much of what was discovered was after the fact.

He personally tried to find a whistleblower, supported lawsuits, but could not prove the pattern we needed to find to support overturning an election. We like a hero falling on a sword, no matter what. This was done by a million cuts, many votes lost because people left the polls or registrations shredded. Other than Triad avoiding a recount, there wasn't a way to prove anything about computer theft.

Still no discovery on those machines. It took years for Palm Beach to get a look at an internal audit log that showed 100,000 errors. In Alaska, 100,000 more votes than people, and many more cities, and in red states, that were suspiciously part of the popular vote total.

Still, if not for the south, Kerry won the popular and electoral vote, despite the fear and vote manipulation.

The smoking gun of electronic disenfranchisement of hispanics and native americans in New Mexico was months after, and Bill Richardson said no to Kerry's offer to pay for his recount. The DNC shut it down. They also did not help as much as they could have with the entire campaign, preferring to wait for 08, their own candidacies, etc., but the pattern too large to begin reclaiming the election.

Thirty lawyers said unprovable, and we'd have the same media who didn't want him to begin with, hounding daily for what we'd find. Remember Gore didn't make it past the Supreme Court. Media participated in Swftie attacks long after refuted, and as was mentioned about the NSA intelligence story withheld, clearly would not have been helpful. How about Viacom's Redstone substituting the National Guard story for the bigger Niger forgeries. Correct on the facts, but made to appear a hoax because of the photocopied set-up.

More importantly, the fear in this country made the idea of a recount more skiddish than now, more than 50% liking Bush and the war. Just think of what the Osama Bin Laden tape did that lest weekend, and we know, as Kerry said often, that we let him go in Tora Bora, as more helpful to their cause alive.

I've been working on election reform for years, and the public only now starting to realize the problem. It's an uphill fight.

How about not repeating the GOP talking points about our own candidates, criticizing them for what the media says about them, which is deliberately propagandist. We could have had the first extreme sport president, very alpha male, with six plus times sailing risky open ocean for hours, yet all we could do is parrot the elite windsurfing meme as a negative.

Let's fix our election system, and convince more officials of the need for honest elections, a bi-partisan need. We need more political will to get rid of these video game machines that are totally useless except for theft. Billions of taxpayer dollars for their own disenfranchisement. The paper trail is a placebo. The computer can print one thing and record another.

Say no to electronic voting. It can never be secure.

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» RE: Kerry did try Posted by: 50566
» Amen? Posted by: HeidiLockwood
Conservatives & Liberals
Posted by: Arvy on Jun 7, 2006 8:10 AM   
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Here in Britain there is much ballyhoo about how Gordon Brown (our chancellor) would be better than Blair. To me there's no difference. I feel the same way about your republicans and democrats, there may be some superficial difference, but at the core of both parties is the invisible corporate hand. Our Labour party used to be socialist but Blair did away with that in 1994 and has continued to champion Maggie Thatcher's privatisation agenda.
The choice we face in the UK and USA is one of different managers of the same policy. That's why your last election was fought on their personalities and not the policies.
The real power lies with us the consumer. Imagine if everyone stopped buying all but the essentials for a year. We'd have the corporations by the b*lls. OK that last bit is a bit simplistic but…

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» time to leave this pathetic country Posted by: pleaseplanttrees
Real questions
Posted by: ScottP on Jun 7, 2006 8:40 AM   
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Are they preparing to do the same in 2006 and 2008?
That's not a question, that's just plain obvious. Let's try some real questions like:

Why did Kerry and Edwards concede before the recount?

Why was the process that followed the election in Ohio called a recount, when in fact only a small number of specially selected ballots were run, and the computers were fixed to duplicate previous results?

Why did Dean withdraw when he was leading?

Why did the voters stop voting for Dean when he still appeared on the ballot? (the obvious "he withdrew" doesn't count, his withdrawal was non-binding and he could have been forced back in by the voters)

Why did the public vote for Kerry, an obvious robber baron, in the primary?

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» RE: real questions Posted by: Marjorie G
» thank you Posted by: 50566
the effort to steal elections continues
Posted by: veronis on Jun 7, 2006 9:25 AM   
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Robert Kennedy's article confirms what most of us have felt for some time and it is right that we should take action now. However, trying to have past violations corrected is a waste of time. The kind of proof needed to reverse the inequities of the past is monumental. What we should do now is to try to correct the system so that the same things don't happen in 2006 and 2008. The NY Times has an editorial today called "Block the Vote, Ohio Remix", in which it reports the actions being taken by Kenneth Blackwell, the same secretary of state who made sure that Bush stole Ohio, to repeat the process again this year. Blackwell has already "put in place 'emergency' regulations... that could shut down registration drives in Ohio". "Mr. Blackwell's rules are interpretations of a law the Republican-controlled Ohio Legislature passed recently." Blackwell is running for governor of Ohio. He has already violated laws in order to get other Repulicans elected. He will do more to be elected himself. That's where an effort to correct the system should be made. Blackwell's criminal activities should be opposed and rejected by the voters in Ohio.

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This is news???
Posted by: Reader11722 on Jun 7, 2006 10:54 AM   
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It seems to take the MSM and their ilk about 1-2 years to ctach up to stories that were THOROUGHLY discussed on the internet. Then the MSM and their kind pretend that they are breaking new ground. How about covering the present wiretapping story, the forcing of book outlets to stop stocking 'America Deceived' by E.A. Blayre III, the trial of Ernst Zundel or even the Haditha mess. Of course, credit is due for mentioning it at all but he's not breaking any ground.
Last link (maybe he can write an article on censorship):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/
book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0

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What can we do in '06 and '08?
Posted by: SufiLizard on Jun 7, 2006 11:27 AM   
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We all know the last two presidential elections were stolen, and the people responsible deserve to be prosecuted -- but that ain't gonna happen.

But what can we do to minimize the damage of Republican election fraud in future elections?

Something almost anyone can do is volunteer to be a poll worker. I don't know what it's like in the rest of the country, but here they have trouble finding people to do it.

You can also try to get involved with your local election board. You may have to get involved with a political party at the local level, but then you can also work to steer the party in the right direction while you're at it.

One of the earlier posts suggested a second American Revolution, which would be doomed to failure if we tried resorting to armed revolt, but if people would channel that anger, outrage and energy into something that's actually productive we might have a chance to change things.

Unfortunately its so much easier to spend one Saturday at a massive, but completely ineffectual demonstration than to commit the time needed for effective, grass-roots reform. Whether it's as a poll worker, elections board or just getting out there and talking to people who don't already agree with you, it's going to take a lot of time and effort to even have an outside chance to change things.

Without the committment of time and effort there really is no hope.

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» How very helpful, Feller Posted by: HeidiLockwood
What we do now
Posted by: Marjorie G on Jun 7, 2006 1:01 PM   
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Thanks for the two upper posts concentrating what we do now.

The Salon critique was determined to stick to its own initial dismissal of stolen, as did others, because the fraud has not been proven. As if to say that all the disenfranchisement that was shown is somehow okay because we haven't proven the bottom line.

Everyone concentrated wrongly on seeking the invalidation, the title, not the questions of what we do now, and how do we prevent from happening again. Maybe a Rolling Stone move to sell magazines.

Computer fraud is very difficult to prove. With a 3 million popular vote difference, regardless of how we got there. Also a difficult investigation to wage at that point without proof.

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Will Florida do it again in 08?
Posted by: babs on Jun 7, 2006 1:14 PM   
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So is Florida and Brother Bush going to "prepare" his state for the next general election in 08? with his little chippy Ms. Harris?

Many outlets reported the removing of thousands of eligible voters (Blacks and Hipanics) from the rolls, because they had the same names as felons - gee, Martinez, Jackson, Johnson, etc. pretty common names I see. Whatever happened to that story and its outcome - oh yeah, Britney Spears dropped her kid again - real important news.

And it is testimony to the hard core corruption and dishonesty that the 2000 election came down to Florida, which is owned by the Bush family - as is the supreme court - the highest court in the land isn't blind - it sees all in Republican red.

It is sickening. This administration has damaged the world, not just America. Count the freaking votes will ya? Or at least find a system that can accurately tally them.

Or are are you too busy watching Survivor and chowing down on those healthy Big Macs. David Letterman famously said that Americans don't care whether Donald Duck is in the White House. Donald Duck has more integrity and he's a cartoon character -albeit from the Mouse house.

Are you going to sit there again this time America, and do absolutely nothing?

The world is challenging the largest former democracy (now a bankrupt, rogue torture state) to get it right this time. Count with me... one, two, three, four... see, it isn't that hard.

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PROSECUTE we need JUSTICE
Posted by: cityofangelslady on Jun 7, 2006 3:58 PM   
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Why isn't there a massive reaction and arrests? With one shocking war crime after another being done in my name. I'm ashamed of what we are doing in Iraq.

How can local grassroots americans stoop so low as they did in the ohio and florida elections and who knows where else? What is it going to take to turn this thing around?

Leadership. The same team that put together the Rolling Stone article under Robert Kennedy Jr. Start a new party with Robert Kennedy the candidate in time to be elected 30 years after his father was gunned down for being a...

Prosecutor
hope he can pick up where his father and uncle left off.
We need Justice.
Kay in L.A.

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There is no way Blackwell can lose and we can win
Posted by: truthteller on Jun 7, 2006 7:01 PM   
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If J. Kenneth Blackwell is still living, breathing and unindicted on election day this November, there is no way that Ted Strickland is going to be the next Governor of Ohio, even if he's ahead by 10 points in the exit polls. I fully believe that Blackwell will be able to swing the vote and use the old excuses of bad polling and shy Republican voters and the really great one of the miraculous fundy voter turnout to explain it away.

If Tom Brokaw was so quick to disavow the '04 exit polls that were right, then how quickly will a state gubanatorial race be forgotten?

I've read just about all of the articles and books cited in Thom's piece. I fully believe what they say about the massive fraud and theft by the GOP, but nothing is going to change - short of insurrection. It has to do with who wants it more, who feels with a deep reglious conviction that they are right. That group is obviously the fundy, theocratic Republicans, led in Ohio by Sec. Blackwell. They KNOW they are right, that God is on their side, and all else is justified by that belief. They will not quit, they will not be shamed until they succeed in taking over the government from the real majority for the forseeable future.

Earlier this evening I heard Lou Dobbs on CNN taking up the GOP talking point about Hugo Chavez being a strong-man dictator and the rigging of voting machines in Venezuela by a company that has bought the corrupt U. S. voting machine company Sequoia. They accused Chavez of having stolen the '02 recall vote electronically and used pre-election polling showing him losing that vote as proof that he stole it. This has to be the epitome of irony. The GOP is using polling results in another country, that by all independent accounts had a clean election to caste doubt on a voting machine company in that country running elections in the U. S.!

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Stolen Sweets Taste Sweeter
Posted by: Pissed Off Cabbie on Jun 7, 2006 8:34 PM   
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What fun is winning an election fair and square when you're a creep?

Once upon a time, Nelson Rockefeller had designs on the presidency. He and his brothers knew that Nelson was unelectable, so they had the current president thrown out, and Nelson appointed Vice-President. Then, there were three assassination attempts on his boss, Gerald Ford. Fate sided with us, though, and Nelson was, as his brother Laurance put it, a failure.

http://pissedoffcabbie.blogspot.com/

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Start A Boycott
Posted by: Bearzerker on Jun 7, 2006 10:27 PM   
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MONEY TALK GOES ALOT FURTHER THAN BS TALK...
COUNTER COULTER WITH YOUR WALLET


TPTB will get the msg very quickly if...

people just start a boycott of advertisers/manufacturers who pay these schills/talking heads their salaries, ...dump their stock, refuse to buy their books & newspapers, cancell your cable TV obligations getting ony the programming you want even if u have to pay more for less, and most importantly...

TALK THE TALK THAT THE CORPORATE CHIEFS MUST LISTEN TOO...TALK WITH YOUR WALLET... YOU MUST IGNORE THE IGNORANT... REFUSE TO BE SUCKED INTO THEIR ORBIT... BOYCOTT THE PRODUCT SUPPORTERS, DUMP THE PRODUCT SUPPORTERS STOCK & REFUSE TO PAY & LISTEN TO THEIR INTIMIDATION/TACTICS

rant over

9/11 widows 'enjoying husbands' death': conservative pundit

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