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Myth of the Liberal Nanny State

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted June 8, 2006.


Economist Dean Baker lays waste to one of the most cherished myths of conservative philosophy.

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Our economic arrangements, and the political discourse that supports them, balance precariously on some deeply held myths.

Among the most fanciful is the notion that conservatives are self-reliant actors who embrace a private sector free from government meddling. Supposedly, the right is content to take on the free-market with strength and skill, and let the chips fall where they may, while liberals look to the state to be their protective nanny, there to iron out the wrinkles of a dynamic, entrepreneurial society.

It's a "zombie lie" -- no matter how many times you shoot it in the face, it keeps coming back to haunt you.

But economist Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, is trying his best to knock it down. Baker knows what the phrase "free market" really means, and in his new book, The Conservative Nanny State (which you can purchase in paperback or download as an e-book free of charge), he lays waste to the notion that American conservatives embrace anything resembling a truly free market. In fact, they're perverse Marxists, using heavy-handed government intervention to redistribute wealth upward.

I recently caught up with Baker at his Washington, D.C., offices to get the scoop on The Conservative Nanny State.

Joshua Holland: Your book cuts right to the heart of one of the most cherished myths of conservative philosophy. You say that conservatives are not, in fact, self-reliant fans of free-markets. Lay out your thesis in a nutshell.

Dean Baker: Well that's the stereotype -- that conservatives are willing to take the hard knocks when they come -- but in my book I argue that what the conservatives have done is they've rigged the deck. They've made sure that certain people come out ahead, that income flows upward, and that other people are put at a disadvantage -- and these things are built into the rules of the system. And then what they want to do -- in talking about "free markets" -- is they want to kick back and say, "No, no, no; those are the rules, and we can't talk about them." They don't want to talk about how the deck is rigged; they want us to fight over the small scraps.

Holland: That's a good segue. You made a point about how our economic arrangements are considered part of a natural system. And you say that when it comes to markets, nanny-state conservatives are all "creationists" and adherents of "intelligent design." What do you mean by that?

Baker: Well, you go through a list of policies, and they want to act like the way the market works today -- the way the economy's structured -- that it's simply the natural course of things. They didn't do it; it just evolved that way. And what I'm trying to argue is that they did do it.

And let's just get into some concrete examples. Take trade -- they've managed to frame the debate beautifully. They're for free trade. They want to compete in the world economy, and if you're a loser, you should get better skills or get more education. Maybe we'll throw you a bone here or there, but it's basically your problem if you can't compete.

But the truth is, we carefully structured these trade agreements -- we put great effort into it -- to put our manufacturing workers into competition with manufacturing workers in developing nations. That meant going to these places and asking: What kind of problems does General Motors face if they want to set up a manufacturing plant in Mexico or Malaysia or China? What can we do to make it as easy as possible? That means that they know they can set up their factory and not have it nationalized, not have restrictions on repatriating profits, etc. Then they need to be able to import the goods back into the United States, and that means not only making sure there are no tariffs or quotas, but also that there's no safety or environmental restrictions that might keep the goods out.

Now what they could have done -- and this would have been a true free trade policy -- they could have said, "Look, there are a lot of very smart people in Mexico and China and India. And they can be doctors, lawyers, accountants and economists, and they would drive down costs in those areas enormously." We'd get our health care for much, much less -- we'd save hundreds of billions of dollars per year -- our college tuition would fall, because we'd pay college professors much less. We could make the whole thing transparent -- set up standards to make sure that we get the same quality of doctors.


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Bush family perfect example
Posted by: cynyk on Jun 8, 2006 12:35 AM   
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The bush family is the perfect example of this hypocrisy. From grandfather Prescott on down, when their own business ventures failed miserably, they used political and social connections to get ahead. On top of that, G.W. shows that the family is not above corporate welfare - getting his millions via a taxpayer-financed stadium deal.

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» RE: Bush family perfect example Posted by: aussidawg
Excellent book! Needs to be pushed as widely as possible. (-)
Posted by: mazur on Jun 8, 2006 1:47 AM   
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pseudo-Market Fundamentalists, pseudo Populist Right, PseudoLiberals, Pseudo Christians, PseudoLeft
Posted by: cry0fan on Jun 8, 2006 1:52 AM   
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I also read baker, and find him always correct.

But he is a partisan, as is Holland, and they rarely tell the whole story.

Let's take a look at some excerpts from this column:


Holland: Let me go away from the book for one question. You analyze economic reporting on your blog, Beat the Press, which I read every day. And, among the expected slips, you find some really egregious reporting errors, all of which seem to go in one direction ideologically. But you always say that it's laziness. You wonder why don't they have better fact-checking. Does it ever occur to you that they might just be big, fat dirty liars who know exactly what they're saying is false?


Makes Holland sound like what Hollands always call me on this site -- a conspiracy theorist. But the fact is that the people who work in the large media outlets are schmoozers. They are people persons, not detail geeks, not readers, not knowledge lovers. They love power, they love social status, they love nice clothes. They are pure animals in that they inhabit a non-abstract world. They are immediacy. They are not given to abstractions. They are able to do whatever it takes to get into good schools and get good grades, but once they are out and have their good jobs, all they care about is climbing that ladder and living the best possible human-animal life.

They do not question power. They ingratiate themselves with power.


Holland: Last question. You wrote: "Many progressives even use the phrase 'market fundamentalist' as a term of derision directed against conservatives. Such attacks must delight the intellectual defenders of the conservative nanny state." You want us to refrain from validating their arguments. But you don't really get into how we should be discussing these issues.

Baker: I think the main thing is that we have to get in there and fight over the definitions of the market, because when we say they're "market fundamentalists," we're acting like they're willing to accept market outcomes. And when we do that, we've already given away the store; we've let them set the rules of the market and determine how income's going to flow, and that leaves us fighting over the crumbs.


I notice that in all this talk of making markets work for the lower half, there is not a whisper of the most powerful way of doing this--stopping the mass invasion of illegal immigrants. After all, Baker and Holland are partisans, working for the overclass to maintain the shadow play facade that is electoral politics. The rules, though unwritten, are clear enough--tell some truth, but not all; tell just the truth you need to tell.

Hispanics are part of the client special interest scheme that the parties are into, and they do not want to alienate the Hispanics, who like all other peoples have been propgandized by overclass here and in America to see themselves as part of an ethnic group. All part of the ancient overclass divide and rule tactics.

All these overclass societal institutions are all about setting up a propaganda scheme to sell the people, but it always is bogus. The PseudoLeft sells us a pseudoEgalitarian political religion. The Pseudo-market fundamentalists sell us a pseudo-fair political religion. The PseudoPopulist Right sells the white lower class the political religion bases on "we are on your side."

Same as it ever was....

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Positiveering
Posted by: YogiBear on Jun 8, 2006 2:29 AM   
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I often listen to NPR's marketplace, and I tell you, with the number of incorrect predicitions by economists there, I used to think we'd be safer with predictions by gypsy palm readers.

But then one day it dawned on me what was really happening. Economists are an integral part of the market machine. So it's in their best interest to make sure the markets appear to be better than they are so people keep spending, keep investing, and keep asking for economic advice.

So what they're engaging in is positiveering. Any issue involving corporate malfeasance, harmful presidential politics, direction of the country, yada, yada, yada, they always dampen by giving good predictions about the market. But when raising the minumum wage, or personal bankruptcies, or limits on offshoring are considered, only then do they give dire predictions about what will happen to us if we mess with the natural market order.

It's a sham. A scam. It's in their best interest to put a positive pro-big money spin on everything.

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Michael Townes Watson
Posted by: michaeltwatson on Jun 8, 2006 5:01 AM   
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I read with interest the article regarding the new book by economist Dean Baker. One of the questions in the interview with him drew a comment on the conservatives' use of tort reform as a way to remain in economic superiority. That subject is one of the issues that I cover in my new book entitled America’s Tunnel Vision–How Insurance Companies’ Propaganda Is Corrupting Medicine and Law. My argument takes the same notion outlined by Baker and demonstrates the power that the insurance companies have used to cause voters to believe their propaganda about "frivolous lawsuits." This issue is one of great current concern, as the Senate just last month narrowly defeated, for the seventh time in the last four years, Senate bill 22. The bill would have deprived even the most seriously injured victims of medical negligence their ability to recover damages in a court of law. The insurance companies claim a "crisis" even though their own Congressional Budget Office study demonstrated that caps on damages would not lower the cost of healthcare, and even though the New England Journal of Medicine concluded there was no glut of "frivolous lawsuits." This issue is hugely germane to the conservative myth of laissez-fare desire. Michael Townes Watson. www.AmericasTunnelVision.com.

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» PUNITIVE AWARDS Posted by: LMNOP
Conservativism is bad for human life
Posted by: kooz on Jun 8, 2006 5:40 AM   
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WHO WERE BORN IN THE

1930's 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's !!

First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.

Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.

As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.

Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soda pop with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because......

WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.

No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays,

made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.



We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just yelled for them!

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned

HOW TO

DEAL WITH IT ALL!

And YOU are one of them!

CONGRATULATIONS!

You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated our lives for our own good.

and while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave their parents were.

Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it?!

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» RE: Surviving DZ Posted by: AlienSlave
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» Memory lane sucks Posted by: lamar
» RE: Memory lane sucks Posted by: Lincoln fan
» And all the while Posted by: Kelly
Now who is leaving things out?
Posted by: Third_Eye_Open on Jun 8, 2006 5:57 AM   
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I can't quite grasp the concept you're trying to push here. You state that journalists are all greedy and have no concern aside from pushing up that golden ladder as quickly as possible. Well whoop-de-friggin-do, welcome to your market economy, aren't we all trying to do that, just to different extents, your sub-plot regarding this is that somehow, since a wet around the ears journalist is getting lazy and not checking his numbers or concepts, or just isn't educated in economics (or his editor) and can't figure out why 17% growth is cherry-picked information, that it is completely the act of pushing agendas. While i wil be the first to admit that EVERYONE has an agenda, I would surmise it's much more plausible to say that journalism students are getting plain lazy in this age of skimming the first 10 hits on Google and calling it a day.

If everyone is part of a some special interest group, then that means so are you, so are we to assume your view of the conquer and divide overclass is correct, i mean over and above the theory that we are all slaves to lizards from alpha centauri with death-ray economics, or that elves cobble our international monetary policies? The truth is that everyone in the lower 90% of the economic pyramid are working to make sure their basic needs are fufilled, and then to work towards (relatively) moderate creature comforts, while everyone who has everything they NEED is working towards pooling of resources in economic policy that is geared towards an unnatural positive feedback loop, basically the rich get richer while the rest of us scramble for scraps, thats how it is, no matter if you get your two car garage or your lexus, you're still a target for the silly-rich to milk for their own gains, get used to it, or start calling your representatives and ask him to setup meetings with your neighborhood (and a sympathetic economics professor) to explain your governments policy. When enough people realize just how the system works, and how things aren't how they are described by the Right, they will have ammunition so they don't feel so helpless in the face of white guys like Alan Greenspan and his jargon.

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» unnatural positive feedback loop Posted by: Iconoclast421
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» No. 2 Posted by: YogiBear
NEWSPEAK
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 8, 2006 5:59 AM   
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Just like liberal used to mean "free" and "permissive" but now it means "amoral," "big government," "welfare," and "abortion,"

So now we have the word "conservative" that's been ruined.

Conservative used to mean, "don't fix it if it ain't broke," "stick with the tried and true," "follow the Bible," "work ethic," "strict construction of the Constitution," etcetera --

Now, thanks to GWB and the NeoCONs, Conservative means, "Nazi, torture, kill your own, homosexuality, police state, New World Order, GMO food, white slavery, pedophilia, etcetera."

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» RE: NEWSPEAK Posted by: RoffleTheWaffle
» RE: NEWSPEAK Posted by: resistance6
Alternet needs to get new bloggers
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 8, 2006 6:02 AM   
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Most of these articles are too long, and the people who write them are too propagandized.

It's the same old same old blather.

How about some insight, some truth? That's what people are looking for on the Internet.

I enjoy the comments much more than the articles.

Get some new bloggers.

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» nonsense Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: nonsense Posted by: resistance6
Keep the Internet Alive
Posted by: nickprogresss on Jun 8, 2006 6:53 AM   
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We need to keep the Internet alive so we can keep having these important discussions.

Check out this short video explaining how the Internet may soon be much more like the medium of TV - highly structured and controlled by financial interests!!

Spread the word - use the Internet to save the Internet.

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» Wild Wild Web Posted by: YogiBear
False Assumptions.
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jun 8, 2006 8:35 AM   
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This article assumes that the people are in control of the government and that the people are in control of the corporate establishment either as voters or as stockholders. In my opinion these assumptions are false.

In short the free trade policies were crafted by the corporate establishment and implemented by both parties. These policies are against the interests of the working class majority. This indicates to me that the voters aren't in control of the government; the corporatocracy is. In fact the corporatocracy controls us through the control of both our political parties.

The corporations are owned by the stockholders but they don't control them. Control of corporations is left to managers who are hired to manage them. The very nature of corporations makes this an impossible task. Every corporation in the world is in competition with every other corporation to yield better than average profits. This constant pressure for increased profit puts the corporations in control of the managers. The corporations, fictional persons, are in control of actual persons, you and I and everyone else.

To solve this problem we must take control of both of our political parties and gain control of the corporatocracy. We can do this now before the election. We must do it now because after the election our votes have no power.

To make "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" a reality join The Lincoln Initiative. Click on Lincoln Initiative

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TWO MORE CONSERVATIVE MYTHS BESIDES FREE MARKETS
Posted by: LMNOP on Jun 8, 2006 9:28 AM   
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In addition to the myth that conservatives support free markets (their claims are belied by their willingness to engage in monopolies, government subsidies, use of tariffs, engaging in lobbying for special favors and other anticompetitive tendencies), there are two other great myths.

First is the myth that they support tax reduction. What they support is them not paying taxes and the rest of us paying high taxes to pay to big business. It’s only taxes on the super wealthy that they want lowered (graduated income taxes, capital gains, estate, windfall profits). They are utterly dependent on the middle class to pay as much in taxes as they can get us to pay so that those tax dollars may be funneled to powerful and already wealthy interests such as defense contractors and foreign lenders (interest) while minimizing the money that government spends on ordinary citizens (Medicare, unemployment insurance, etc,), the so called social safety net which they don’t depend on.

The second myth is that they advocate for minimal government. Once again, that means only for the privileged class, and comes predominantly in the form of eliminating laws and regulations on industry that impede profit by protecting the consumer and her habitat. It is also why they want to eliminate punitive damages, the only way to make a huge corporation obey the law short of shutting it down or incarcerating its officers

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Rich People Suck
Posted by: Gregor on Jun 8, 2006 4:54 PM   
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I know, half of my relatives are Bushinites for the above reason. Rich people suck. They're selfish, only care about their group and give lip service or just throw pennies at helping people, never their time. And then what is even funnier is they are surprised when the system eventually fails them. Because there is no doubt it will. And they don't have the inner resources to handle these crisis times in life.

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It's The Mythology Stupid
Posted by: mikespindell on Jun 8, 2006 8:32 PM   
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The article and most of the subsequent discussion rank among the most stimulating that I've encountered at AlterNet. Thank you Josh for turning me on to Mr. Baker and his book. I will definitely buy the book and follow the blog.

We've gotten our Progressive asses kicked for the last 30 years because we've lost sight of the fact that nations are lead by the mythology shared. Mr. Baker gets the economic mythology right. There are of course many other American myths that are shared by the majority of citizens which allow them to be manipulated against their better interests. The "Cowboy Myth" for instance which extols the virtues of rugged individualism.

As the article suggests, a big part of the struggle should of neccessity focus on how we counter this mythology and begin to replace it with our own humanistic mythology. I refer those who feel we Progressives shouldn't have our own mythology to the writings of Joseph Campbell, Fraser & Graves for a better understanding of what mythology is.

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» RE: It's The Mythology Stupid Posted by: resistance6
Holland is the Worst Blogger on Alternet
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 9, 2006 12:36 PM   
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Molly Ivans is the best.

Holland just blathers nonsense.

Incoherency is NOT a sign of intelligence. The only thing intelligible about his blogs are the titles, which invite discussion. His opinions are buried in blather.

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Best and Worst Bloggers on Internet.
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 13, 2006 6:03 AM   
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I'm new here and I've seen some more bloggers since this last post. I have to therefore change my opinion on who are the best and worst bloggers.

I change my vote for best blogger from Molly to Ray McGovern.

The worst blogger here is not Joshua Holland -- although he's a true wizard with the smoke and mirrors and disinformation.

So far the absolute worst blogger on Alternet is Gene Gerard. He gets my vote for this for his bigoted and ignorant article that says Christians oppose Merck's new supposed "anti-cancer" vaccine because they want promiscuous girls to die of cancer.

Alternet, get some new bloggers! Please.

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