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Cheney Starts New Cold War Over Oil

By Mark Ames, The eXile. Posted June 1, 2006.


Cheney's brazen oil grab strategy in Central Asia has launched a new Cold War with Russia -- and this time we're losing.
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[Editor's note: Mark Ames' essay is a lucid overview of what the Bush administration has been up to in Central Asia and former Soviet republics since 9/11. No, not fighting "terror" -- they've been working on a long-term oil grab by supporting dictators and gaming democratic elections in their favor, all while publicly bemoaning Russia's "slide" back to a dictatorship. Ames' lively writing style turns a heavy story into one of the best articles you'll read this month.]

One of the oddest reactions to Vice President Cheney's now-infamous speech in Lithuania, the one which many Russians believe officially heralded the start of a new Cold War, came from the mainstream American media. What was so strange? They actually did their job.

Instead of simply parroting the Administration's latest pieties, they actually allowed themselves to smell a rat. And what a putrid, bloated, rotting-in-a-flooded-Manila-gutter rat odor it was! You'd have to have been literally brain dead not to have smelled it.

The rat of course was the insane hypocrisy of a foaming fascist like Dick Cheney suddenly getting all Amnesty International righteous over a bad regime that does bad things. The fact that Cheney flew straight to Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan right after squirting over Russia's human rights problems turned the rank hypocrisy into a bad black comedy routine, barely fit for even a Tom Green. Kazakhstan is a country where opposition politicians and media aren't merely jailed, exiled or cowed as they are in Russia, but are shot and dumped in forests, Miller's Crossing-style, on behalf of a despot whose family runs the country like its own fiefdom.

Azerbaijan is even worse, if such a thing can be imagined not only because the Azeri authorities brutally suppress pro-democracy protests, but because it is the first and only post-Soviet state to officially create a despotic family dynasty. After former leader Heydar Aliyev died in office, he passes power (along with control over the country's vast oil wealth) to his son, Ilham Aliyev, in 2003, a dynastic transfer that was then "legimitized" by rigged elections that the Bush administration somehow manages each time to view as a democracy cup 1/100 full rather than 99/100 empty.

Incredibly enough, a few members of the mainstream American press were shocked into action by Cheney's crackpipe hypocrisy. On May 9th, the normally anti-Putin New York Times published an editorial titled, "Cheney as Pot, Putin as Kettle," tepidly calling into question Cheney's bizarre meta-irony act: "spearing Russia while flirting with its even more undemocratic neighbors confuses the message, especially when done by a vice president identified with oil interests." Tepid, but at least a rare acknowledgement of Cheney's insane logic.

The hypocrisy was so bizarre and brazen that even bland newswire agency AP got in on the outting bandwagon, with a May 8th article, "Analysis: Cheney promotes democratic reform everywhere but oil-rich Kazakhstan." You'd almost think that the American media actually questions its leaders' motives!

Even the pro-Cheney Wall Street Journal published an op-ed by Andrew Kuchins, although in a clever ruse he tried to diffuse it by pointing out how obvious it was: "Alert the media: We've identified double standards in U.S. foreign policy!" he sneered, before moving on to the "real" issues raised. As if obvious evil is somehow less pernicious than the kind of evil you have to look for.

Cheney's speech raised a lot of questions and a lot of debate, but no one asked one of the most obvious questions of all: Why did Cheney choose to flaunt his hypocrisy in everyone's faces? Why not try faking it, the way most Western leaders operate when they mix righteous words with rapacious policies? Why didn't Cheney choose to put a bit of space in between his speech attacking Russia's record on democracy and his visits to the despotic Central Asian states?

Or put another way, what if it wasn't a mistake. What if the blatant, insane hypocrisy was the real message... and always has been all along?

The best way to answer this is to go back and retrace how Russia and America wound up in this once-unimaginable situation. It would seem to be a massive policy failure, allowing Russia to become a Cold War enemy again, perhaps the greatest American foreign policy failure of our time. Unless, of course, you put all the blame on Putin's evil little authoritarian shoulders, which is the natural tendency of nearly every American commentator.

They say Americans' memories are short, but that's like saying a Nazi's sense of compassion was fleeting. Americans literally rewrite their memories over and over. Case in point: Just four-and-a-half years ago, Vladimir Putin was treated as a rock star in America. You probably forgot about it, so I'm going to remind you because it's not a pretty memory.


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Mark Ames is editor of the Moscow English alt weekly, The eXile. He is the author of "Going Postal: Rage, Murder, and Rebellion--From Reagan's Workplaces to Clinton's Columbine and Beyond" (Soft Skull, 2005).

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GEOPOLITICS HAS BECOME A BAD COMEDY
Posted by: Scientz on Jun 1, 2006 12:31 AM   
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I'd laugh, but it is all so very real...

Baby boomers? Thank you for not giving a shit about the world we are about to inherit... Either not giving a shit, or just being narrow-minded, weak-willed corporate drones who would mortgage their children's future for an SUV and a swimming pool...

Thank you for unfettered consumerism...

Thank you for our crack-like addiction to oil...

God help us all...

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» such an easy game for two to play Posted by: mokidugway
BOO! EMMANUEL CHENEYSTEIN GONNA GET YOU!
Posted by: cry0fan on Jun 1, 2006 3:07 AM   
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You better vote Democrat or Emmanuel CheneyStein is gonna kill us all!

BOO! Emmanuel HillaryStein is gonna get you if you don't vote GOP!

Don't you just LOVE the American political scene!?

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» Cryofan you nailed it! Posted by: Lincoln fan
The earth will breathe a sigh of relief when ...
Posted by: paul_revere on Jun 1, 2006 3:58 AM   
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The earth will breathe a sigh of relief when Dick Cheney's ticker finally expires. I intend to throw a party -- call it a wake(up) -- to help usher his soul into the depths of hell where it is destined to rest. Cheney is one of the most despicable human beings on the face of the planet and one of the worst to ever inhabit the halls of our government. He is a war profiteer, a crook, a liar, a murderer. Pond scum to the nth degree.

How I wish I were a Senator at this time so I could tell Cheney the different ways he can go "Fuck himself." I helped run his sorry ass out of one city, and I will do it again if he ever shows his twisted face again in my state.

No kidding -- it will be party time -- in a big way. The day of his death should be a national holiday, a day of liberation from the dark side.

Oh, and if the NSA is monitoring this post -- go Cheney yourselves!

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» Make Love Not War Posted by: feller
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spOILed brats
Posted by: rsaxto on Jun 1, 2006 4:45 AM   
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Cheney/Putin are two spOILed brats fighting over the cookie jar full of OIL and wrecking global democracy in the process. This would be a laugh riot if it weren't so DEADLY serious. We need a world where both these monsters have been removed from office and replaced by leaders who are more interested in survival and democracy than in gross wealth and even grosser mass murder.

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THIS beats Project Censored?
Posted by: CounterCorp on Jun 1, 2006 5:04 AM   
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Don Hazen (Alternet's Bruce Brugmann) rightly slagged off Project Censored for lauding a story by "known lefty" Diana Johnstone that claimed the Kosovo crisis had been manufactured by NATO in order to build a pipeline to carry oil from the Caspian Sea through the Balkans, in large part because it failed to substantiate any of its findings.

And then, apparently with a straight face, Hazen gives us an article by Mark Ames that says that Dick Cheney and the Bushmen hurt poor Vladimir Putin's feelings and started Cold War II in order to build a pipeline to carry oil from the Caspian Sea through the Caucases -- and none of its "findings" (if pure conjecture and inference, punctuated with expletives, can be said to have actually "found" anything) are substantiated either.

Where's a censor -- or even just an editor -- when we need one?

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Sit back, relax, have a beer
Posted by: Bobsays on Jun 1, 2006 5:11 AM   
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America is losing all over the world. From Iraq to Afghanistan to Latin America, it's like that TV show, 'Everybody hates America!'.

So let Cheney and gang do the master plan; you should do the beer and BBQ. Let the whole thing just unfold and maybe get a better cable package so you can watch it all on TV.

I was in a customs line recently in a central asian country. Behind me was an American oil consultant in a baseball cap. Beside him was a cute Russian woman. He was bragging out his day rate (US $800) and how he was going to party when he got to Azerbaijan. He then said when I get there I'm going to the five star hotel and getting in the bath. He asks her' what are you going to do?' She says: 'I'm going to go straight to you hotel and join you in that bath.' He says: 'Damn straight!'

The whole world's a whore to the American. Nobody is going to let that go on for too long.

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Bush complained of 'rigged" in Russia???
Posted by: concerned Canadian on Jun 1, 2006 5:18 AM   
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Now, now, I would have thought he would have applauded a fellow rigger.

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You keep using that word ...
Posted by: just john on Jun 1, 2006 5:41 AM   
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"Literally"

Learn what it means, okay?

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America First or I'll visit Bagdad in 2015 to see the Hanging Gardens
Posted by: feller on Jun 1, 2006 6:08 AM   
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Both commentators on the left and right knew the wars in Cental Asia(includes Iraq, Iran, etc) are about, Civilizations depend on energy access, food, water, climate, size and talent of population. Neocons and conventional liberals have wasted four years blabbeing about WMD and human rights, both of which are utterly irrelevant to US interests(by those interests I mean the people as well as the gvt and buisness. we all need energy and affodable energy to have an advanced ciivlizaation). Paleo conservatives like francis, raimondo and roberts saw this way before the Murthas, Kerrys and Reids.

America needs to dump not only its non-western illegal immigrants to preserve its Western advanced culture, but it needs to return to Washington's admonition to look after America First.

We have great amount of energy in US, Canada and Mexico, including the Caribbean. We need to extract it and apply good stewardship of the earth and water at the same time. We can do this to the prosperity of ourselves and our neighbors. Perhaps we can thus help Mexico build a sound economy where its citizens dont have to come here to survive.

We really want to be in a positon where we can look in a Ntional Geo or website every now and then and say look at the nice exotic people in Afghanistan or Tadjikistan. We don't want to go there except as tourists.

And we sure don't want their oil. We have enough of our own, we have coal, we have good, safe nuclear technology. Both parties have gotten us into an itnernationalist mess. Perhaps we need new Sam Adamses and Patrick Henrys. America First, America Free.

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Bush/Cheney considered total failure by old guard Scowcroft/Brezinski...
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Jun 1, 2006 6:18 AM   
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Re-alignment of Caspian Sea region to Russia is for real. Iran is part of the movement to Russia and China as well as Russia will start their own trading bourse June 8 with these countries from what I have read in world business newspapers.

The neo-cons are on their way out, but are inflicting as much pain as possible on the Iraqi people for the failure of a fast takeover of that region. The slaughter by American led death squads has moved these countries out of America's interests.

In the mean time, Bush's snubbing of Chinese President Hu prompted him to make massive oil deal with Saudi Arabia right after his meeting with Bush. The neo-cons may have moved the entire Middle East Asia and North Africa away from the US into more lucrative contracts with China and Russia. The slaughter of Iraqis has played an important part in this movement as well. This administration has shot itself through the head.

The US has been trying to move into the oil rich regions for some time now, using tactics of all kinds, from fixing up puppet governments, removal of leaders for regime change, leading death squads of indiscriminate killing to try to create an environment for civil war where there was none for several hundred or more than one-thousand years. Finally, unrestrained pre-emptive military action has everyone on edge around the world.

None of this has gone un-noticed in Asia and Africa or even Europe. The biggest losers will be the American people as they have no clue what is going on or what may end up hitting them when the value of the dollar drops to it's real value, down 30 to 50%. The US stands to loose as much as $7 trillion in land and home valuation alone if the countries buying dollars and using petro-dollars decide to move out of them into another currency.

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Change Starts at Home
Posted by: BPCBob on Jun 1, 2006 7:04 AM   
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1. The information from the Cheney energy task force should be made public. Dick Cheney works for us, that is our information.

2. Vote Democratic in the short run, even though there is not a lot of difference between the parties, to send a message to big oil that we won't fund their projects with our labor and blood.

3. Build public consensus for real political reform in the U.S. that moves the political system toward a one-person-one-vote system and away from our current one-dollar-one-vote system.

4. Build political consensus to cut the U.S. military budget by 1/2. If the U.S. were to cut it’s military budget by 1/2 it would still spend 1.6 times more than Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran. With U.S. military spending reduced by 1/2, and the combined U.S. and strong ally spending remaining stable, the differential between U.S. + strong allies spending is still 3.29 times greater than the combined military spending of potential threat countries.

5. Spend 1/3 of the savings from the military budget cuts on development of a sustainable non-polluting energy infrastructure. Spend another 1/3 on social security and medicare. Spend the final 1/3 on deficit reduction.

6. Reverse the Bush tax cuts

7. Re-join the ABM and Keyoto

It is simple to see solutions to our current mess if you are not one of the primary beneficiaries of the current oil centric military industrial system. The hard part is how can this or some other reasonable plan be accomplished.

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sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jun 1, 2006 7:25 AM   
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Talk talk talk while you can kiddies, Big Brother is listening and all this will end soon just as soon as their list is complete

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» the "list" Posted by: Iconoclast421
IT IS A WAR- A Quiet WAR with Silent Weapons:
Posted by: mite on Jun 1, 2006 7:26 AM   
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Question? Why did the DOD receive $10 million in 1970 (H.B. 15090) for the Dept. of the Army, Directors for Advanced Research Project Agency and Defense Research and Engineering for Synthetic Biological Agents?
ANSWER: Tuesday, July 1, 1969, eminent biologists believe that within a period of 5-10 years it would be possible to produce a synthetic biological agent; an agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired. NOTE: HIV/AIDS born and populations of Africa infected, etc.
It's about the money and population control of the lower classes of our world. We better wake up people, Cheney is collecting his payment in full by these `elite'. It is a WAR against us by the Monarchs of the world. We blame the Bush's, Cheney, and others, but remember they are fullfilling their secrets oaths.

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Sadly, the Rest of the World May Have to Do Cheney's Bidding
Posted by: mrcentrist on Jun 1, 2006 7:28 AM   
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Although I completely agree that Cheney is a truly horrible person (as are his fellow Bush-Administration oligarchs), I believe that the U.S. will pretty much be able to bully its way in the world and get the petroleum it wants from foreign lands for the forseeable future, so that Americans will be able to keep driving their SUVs through Burger King drive-thrus while 40% of the world's population doesn't even have indoor plumbing. Why? Simply beause Cheney and his cronies ARE horrible people who possess nuclear weapons.

Please let me explain. The United States has a stockpile of over 5,000 nuclear weapons, and -- unlike Russia and China -- it has a religious-fanatic population that would rather see a nuclear apocalypse than experience a dropoff in America's materialistic consumer culture. Therefore, the U.S. is, in effect, quietly blackmailing the world into allowing it to consume vast amounts of imported oil and imported capital which will never be repaid (from the central banks of China and Japan) because the world is just too frightened to pull the plug on America. Although I am sure that Putin would very much like to stand up to the United States, he -- like virtually every other leader in the world -- would rather indulge America's bullying than risk a nuclear confrontation.

Please tell me if I'm wrong. I hope I am.

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CHENEY PETITION
Posted by: BRUCE COMBS on Jun 1, 2006 8:40 AM   
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Had enough of Cheney's Hide & Seek Politics? Please sign & forward!

"MR. CHENEY, We need to hear from you!"
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People from many other countries have signed, as well as a number in the armed forces, as you can see by scrolling through the signatures. Please simply sign it and share it with your sensible friends. Every day's news adds more reasons. You may sign anonymously, and without phone number!

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CHENEY, PETRO-STAN, WHITE HOUSE OIL Inc.
Posted by: cognitorex on Jun 1, 2006 8:42 AM   
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Don't get your knickers in a twist.
White House Oil Inc. (WHOI) wants Petro-Stan's 50 billion barrels (equivalent) to flow south through more friendly territory and WHOI sponsored pipelines.
Cheney is just dissing the commercial competition, as in, "If you Stannies take them Ruskie pipeline proposals you'll be sorry for it. Them Ruskies aren't trustworthy like us. They'll play politics with your oil and gas and your Swiss bank account dreams will, 'poof', be gone.

As to Cheney's honesty quotient, I offer:

DICK CHENEY and MIKE TYSON

What do these two fine gentlemen have in common?
They both exhibit psychopathic tendencies. And:
In would behoove you to cover your ears when in their presence.

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The experiment is over
Posted by: frankly1 on Jun 1, 2006 8:54 AM   
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After reading articles such as this and then the following comments I find it kind of sweet that some people still believe that an election or some kind of action is possible to corrcet the obscenity that is the USA. There will never be a fair election in America - there has never been one, ever. The average American is a stupid, ignorant, arrogant, racist, gluttonous entertainment junikie created on purpose for profit. The war machine created in our name has murdered millions of innocent people around this planet and continues to do so.
The sociopathic wealthy elite will retain and increase it's wealth and power. They are almost done with us ordinary folk (witness Katrina). If obesity, cancer, aids or gun violence don't get you, you're going to find out what it feels like to exist in a third world country!
If you can, get out now, when the shit hits the fan, how many countries do you think will accept American refugees. They all hate us! and why not?
My parents, immigrants in the 1950's, were so proud to become Americans. They thought they had defeated facism when all they did was change the uniform from jack boots to a buisness suit
If you're not ashamed now - you damn well should be!

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An oily deception.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jun 1, 2006 9:26 AM   
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Has anybody noticed that in every single MSM "news" broadcast about the Middle East, especially Iraq – EVERY SINGLE BROADCAST – the one word that is never, ever, ever uttered in public is, "oil?"

The ploy has worked: the uninformed american public seems blind and deaf to the fact that oil profiteering is the ONLY motivating force propelling Imperial Bushdom. The american public still seems to cling to quaint ideas like "freedom" and "liberty" –– You know, the crap that Bush spouts endlessly, but the reality that is coming to and end for americans.

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A very complicated story
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 1, 2006 9:57 AM   
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This is a great investigative article! Now if only CBS or some other outlet would send a film crew to these countries and get a nice investigative story on film - maybe a 60 minutes expose. It is always easier to understand what you see. The fact that the main media outlets aren't covering this story - does that count as censorship?

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Rob Newmans "History of Oil"
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 1, 2006 10:04 AM   
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Here is a film clip that illustrates more about the real issues that our fearless leaders stay up worrying about then anything you'll ever see on the mainstream media:

Rob Newman on the history of Iraq, the petro-euro, and oil depletion

Come on, FOX "news"- play this for the public! Oh wait, your Saudi part-owners are expressing their displeasure?

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GREAT PIECE
Posted by: Mewsician on Jun 1, 2006 10:42 AM   
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I may read this piece a couple of times, just to make sure I get out of it all there is to be gotten. Terrific job by the author.

Although, as a copy editor by trade, I'd like to suggest to the writer that he have somebody copy edit his work - especially something this long and involved. Too many mechanical errors, which detract from the piece's many true merits. I'll happily do it for free, Mark - just email me!

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Nuclear World War around the corner
Posted by: cold2touch on Jun 1, 2006 11:11 AM   
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Russia and China must stick together for their own survival or they will be destroyed in a direct nuclear attack by neocons. It is a fight to the finish, since neocons realize that nukes are their last, best hand to play, they must fully control the world or lose it all.
I believe that this issue will be settled soon.
May the best man (Russia+China) win, as ugly as they are they seem more reasonable and less inclined to complete dominion over every breathing body on Earth.
A plausible scenario will have demolition of Iran's infrastructure this summer, Cheney's goons securing the southern oilfields near Abadan at which point either the Eastern faction (China and Russia) throw in the towel or they are declared terrorists with you know what next.
India will equivocate and suck up to whoever looks like a winner, ditto for Europe.

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But what about America's pipeline in Afghanistan...
Posted by: babs on Jun 1, 2006 12:11 PM   
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In 2002, I was visiting Arizona and had a very interesting conversation with an American Viet-Nam veteran who was then semi-retired from another job as an oil and gas consultant. He asked me if I knew why America had taken its vengeance to Afghanistan and I told him "of course, it's because of Osama and the Taliban".

"Wrong" he said. He'd been sent to that country months before 9/11 to inspect a damaged pipeline (Exxon) and make recommendations for its repair. He stated that the Bushies needed a Pearl Harbor type catastrophe in order to send troops in there and secure the site which pipes millions of gallons to customers in Asia and India.

And the Taliban is stronger than ever. The hits just keep on coming...

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» Question: Before 9-11 Posted by: HeidiLockwood
» RE: Question: Before 9-11 Posted by: jeanniedean
Dwindling Oil
Posted by: Senqi on Jun 1, 2006 6:37 PM   
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Oh yes..

Oil is VERY significant nowadays..

9/11 was a convenient pretext for the US to start forcibly
"securing" the remaining, major oil fields and pipelines..

The Game will get tougher as time goes on and supplies
dwindle..

Check: http://www.postcarbon.org/

Peace

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» 9/11 indeed a mystery Posted by: feller
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» RE: 9/11 indeed a mystery Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: 9/11 indeed a mystery Posted by: cyclonejim
...for WHOM does the bell toll?...
Posted by: Zemiti on Jun 2, 2006 4:17 AM   
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Matters are coming to a head; soon we will have the real scenario play itself out. It has always been transparently clear that the fires of war NOW being fanned by the US have everything to do with OIL. Historically, people have always been expendable in the pursuit of US interests; even Democracy. That it is dead (except in the minds of the blind believers in this US from either side) is a sure sign of the long changed guard in the nature of American politics. The ordinary person has little to no influence on policy agendas, and in particular foreign policy issues! What you have now is a Dictatorship by the Capitalist Globalization cabal, and folks, you and I are not gonna stand in their way. They will simply brush us aside and carry on where they left of after every election; and it is also a case of which is the lesser of two evils, the Dems or the Reps? Stalemate. This mad rush to fill in a void and exploit a gap in any political vaccum that will work in the US's favor is self-destructive period. The US cannot be everything to everybody so long as it suits it's cause. It's called megalomania. Mix that with a touch of arrogance, boorishness, brashness, single-minded blind self-belief and downright ignorance, then you have an explosive concoction of deadly consequencies. We are already there, the air is poisined, we are already doing the body count. Just remember when history is told, if we will all still be alive, WHO started it all?; and oh, the question, "but why, oh why?..."

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» cleaning up our problems Posted by: feller
» RE: cleaning up our problems Posted by: Lincoln fan
after first glance
Posted by: ravin on Jun 2, 2006 8:13 AM   
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it was the typical & usual gossip

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War Criminals and a Stupid America!
Posted by: David Poland on Jun 4, 2006 4:02 PM   
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Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, and Wolf, and the rest of the gang should be arrested NOW! They are beyond war criminals, but leaving my comments to you good folks is preaching to the choir, you all know this, it's the rest of America that votes with little or no inteligent thought. Or have a hidden agenda that is trashing our country and our long lost moral high ground. I am heart-sick about how stupid this country has become! We have the votes if we could get the rest on board! We must get them on board now! David Poland ....Bridgewater, MA.

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» We "must" do NOTHING Posted by: feller
re
Posted by: pollar on Jan 29, 2007 12:18 PM   
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