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Pricey Gas? That's Reality

By James Howard Kunstler, TomPaine.com. Posted May 30, 2006.


We simply cannot face the fact that time has run out -- that our lease is expiring -- for a society dependent on cars.
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It's actually kind of funny to hear Americans complain these days about the cost of gasoline and how it is affecting their lives. What did they expect after setting up an easy-motoring utopia of suburban metroplexes that make incessant driving inevitable?  And how did they fail to register the basic facts of the world oil situation, which have been available to us for decades? Those facts are as follows: oil fields follow a simple pattern of production and depletion along a bell curve. Universally, when an oil field gets close to half the amount of oil it originally possessed, production peaks and then declines. This is true for all oil fields in the aggregate, for a nation and even the world.

In the United States, oil production peaked in 1970 and has been declining ever since. We extracted about 10 million barrels a day in 1970 and just under five million barrels a day now. Because our consumption has only increased steadily, we've made up for the shortfall by importing oil from other countries.

There is now powerful evidence in the production figures worldwide that we have reached global peak oil production. The collective nations of the earth will not make up for this by importing oil from other planets.

Contrary to a faction of wishful thinkers, the earth does not have a creamy nougat center of oil. Oil fields do not replenish themselves. Also contrary to the prevailing wish, no combination of alternative fuels will allow us to keep running the interstate highway system, Wal-Mart, Walt Disney World and the other furnishings of what Dick Cheney called our "non-negotiable way of life."

People who refuse to negotiate with the circumstances that the world throws at them automatically get assigned a new negotiating partner: reality. Reality then requires you to change your behavior, whether you like it or not. With global oil production peaking, we are now subject to rising oil prices, as markets are forced to contend with allocating a resource heading in the direction of scarcity. Oil prices are only likely to go higher -- though there is apt to be a ratcheting effect as high oil prices depress economic activity and thus dampen demand for oil which will depress prices leading to increased consumption which will then kick prices back up, and so on. The prospects for more geopolitical friction over oil also self-evidently increase, as industrial nations desperately maneuver for supplies.

Mainly though, the danger lies in the resulting instability of the super-sized complex systems that we depend on daily.

Trouble with oil will spell huge problems with how we grow our food, how we conduct trade, how we move around and how we inhabit the terrain of North America. These systems are going to wobble and eventually fail unless some effort is made to reform their scale and their procedures. For example, Wal-Mart's profit margins will disappear as higher diesel fuel prices hit its "warehouse-on-wheels."

Now, in the face of this, you'd think that the national leadership in politics, business and science would prepare the public for substantial necessary changes in the way we do things. What we are seeing across the board, though, is merely a desperate wish to keep the cars running by any conceivable means, at all costs. That is the sole target of our focus. Our leaders don't get it. We citizens have to make other arrangements.

But we must. We have to live differently. We're going to have to re-inhabit and reconstruct our civic places -- especially our small towns -- and we're going to have to use the remaining rural places for growing food locally, wherever possible. Our big cities will probably contract, while they densify at their centers and along their waterfronts. Our suburbs will enter a shocking state of economic and practical failure.

We cannot imagine this scenario because we have invested so much of our collective wealth the past 50 years in the infrastructure for a way of life that simply has no future.

We'd better start paying attention to the signals that reality is sending or we will be living in a very violent, impoverished and demoralized nation. And we have to begin somewhere, which is why I suggest we start by rebuilding the national passenger railroad system. It would have a significant impact on our oil use. It would put a lot of people to work on something meaningful and beneficial to all ranks of American society. The equipment is lying out there rusting in the rain, waiting to be fixed. We don't have to re-invent anything to do it.

The fact that we are not even talking about such solutions shows how unserious we are.

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James Howard Kunstler is the author of The Long Emergency, just released in paperback by The Atlantic Monthly Press.

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Reality Check
Posted by: YogiBear on May 30, 2006 2:49 AM   
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Articles that begin with "It's actually kind of funny..." and then go on to mock ordinary folks well illustrate why the left will never win over the middle.

Here's the craziest of crazy ideas: Maybe, just maybe, some of the people hardest hit by the high cost of gas can't afford a $20,000+ new hybrid. Maybe they are stuck with the gas guzzling Caddy they bought brand new in 1984 before the plants all closed down. Maybe some of them are liberals too, who have always tried to recycle and give to eco-causes, and are now down on their luck because they don't have Internet-based journalism jobs. Maybe they live down a dirt or ice-laden road that requires 4-wheel drive a quarter of the year. Maybe they drive a truck which they use for their home-based business. Maybe a lot of things that you never notice because you can't see past that gargantuan sneer that rests on your face.

It must be nice to talk trash about people who have no political or legal power to change their situation, nor the sympathies of the elites when they fall on hard times. It must be pleasant to pat onself on the back for "being right." I assume you also laughed at those poor saps who didn't evacuate New Orleans before the storm.

And it must be nice to convieniently forget the one salient fact that, while high prices do encourage people who can afford a new car to avoid SUVs, the artifically inflated price of oil these days is making the oil barons rich off their record profits while breaking the banks of folks at the bottom.

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They Are Just Metal Boxes
Posted by: ChristopherLL on May 30, 2006 2:55 AM   
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This country missed the opportunity given by the events of 9/11 to integrate with the rest of the communities on this planet and nurture cooperation and common goals. We declared war. Now with the reality both of gas shortages and global warming we a given a chance to reclaim our lives as human beings by letting go the metal boxes that have claimed our existence. Getting out of those boxes would provide more time to interact with each other face to face rather than windshield to windshield. We would also find that physical actitivity is actually enjoyable and staying in one place an opportunity to listen to our inner voices. If we did this we may actually find purpose and meaning in life again rather than being enslaved by the ambivalence of technology.

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Europeans pay more than double
Posted by: oldsmobile on May 30, 2006 5:59 AM   
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Europeans pay about $6 a gallon for gas, yet get along just fine. A large portion of Europeans commute to work by automobile.

Perhaps it is time for Americans to just get used to paying high gas prices?

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» RE: uropeans pay more than double Posted by: VisionQuest
» RE: uropeans pay more than double Posted by: TomCampitelli
dis-assemble the automobiles
Posted by: traynor on May 30, 2006 6:58 AM   
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Here's an idea: outfit the car factories to disassemble the cars.

Of course we also need to reorganize our communities simultaneously as the author points out, but here's the plan:

Rev up the old American car factories *in reverse.* (Put Flint Michigan back to work!) Then people can take their cars back to the factories and receive credits (cash or tax credits or train credits or whatever) for the vehicles which are then dismantled and broken down into their simplest base parts.

Use the base parts of the disassembled cars for improving America's passenger rail system, bicycle system and other needed infrastructure to accompany the responses we must implement to head off this growing crisis.

Shut down most paved streets (with exceptions for emergency routes) and dig them up to plant food gardens in our communities and for other green spaces to be used by all. Watch our neighborhoods and towns come to life and our children come out of the box to play again in the new neighborhoods. We can move out of a culture of running around in boxes, isolated from our neighbors, and into a culture of community, cooperation and friendliness.

Oh yeah, do the same with the airplanes, the other major consumers of fuel.

We have magnetic levitation (maglev) rail technology available that can safely exceed 300MPH. Trains can carry us quickly and comfortably anywhere on the continent we need to go. These new passenger trains can fit on the median strip of most intercity highways, and are a much more efficient use of energy.

Of course, unless China and other nations get "on board" we're still going to see some major lurches as our global civilization goes through the changes this reality will force. So far there's no sign of this happening today, either there or here, but we still need to consider alternatives to the current insanity. Great article, Alternet!

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...what if...I was an oil company CEO?
Posted by: aemulus on May 30, 2006 8:12 AM   
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Some people say the peak has passed already, some say is coming soon, other say we are safe for the next decade. But...what do a (big oil company) CEO would think about this issue? "How much will my company profit, if the peak is ten years away?"

Just think a little about it. Which oil company is going to complaint about over-priced $100 oil barrels? Isn´t the wonderful "invisible hand" driving this? Is it?

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» tonyy Posted by: Tonyy
The Devil Is In The Details
Posted by: mikespindell on May 30, 2006 8:40 AM   
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>It's actually kind of funny to hear Americans complain these days about the cost of gasoline and how it is affecting their lives. What did they expect after setting up an easy-motoring utopia of suburban metroplexes that make incessant driving inevitable?<

While I agree with most of the dire predictions that Mr. Kuntzler has made, I also agree that his tone is far too condescending. Only the most superficial analyses would blame our current energy insanity on all Americans, rather than the corporate elite that really created the problem. This is a result of the sprecious theory that most people have the freedom of choice in their personal lives.

Mr. Kuntzler, an intelligent and knowledgeable person, knows full well the role played by corporate America in destroying our public transportation system. For instance is it any wonder that Charley Wilson (former CEO of GM) was Eisenhower's Commerce Secretary during the years of the greatest growth of our National Highway System. The current oil dependence was imposed upon us Americans by a corporatocracy eager to sell cars and gas.

Havings stated the obvious my issue is not that a sane and sensible solution isn't needed, but that the price to be paid for a solution should not be a burden on the backs of the working and indigent classes of America. A part of the reason that we of liberal stripe lost the confidence of the American public is that governing Democrats have bought into needed solutions whose costs (economic and social) were paid chiefly by the working people and the poor. For instance:

- De-Segregation dealt with by busing kids into
middle/lower class white neighborhoods, but never
into wealthy ones. Created white backlash and
eroded sympathy for the cause.

- In the "Social Security Crisis" of the early 80's NY's
Dem Senator Moynihan engineered a "solution" that
severely raised regressive payroll taxes, but allowed a
cap on them to ensure that the top earners didn't
pay their fair share.

The above are but two of the many instances where Democrats in the apparent interest of bi-partisanship have been out front in solving perceived problems by having the burden born by those upon whom the solution would impose the greatest hardships.

Mr. Kuntzler's points are salient, public transportation
(railroads, monorails and trolley's) should be increased exponentially. However, if the cost to be born by the increases are to fall on the working classes, rather than the wealthy and the corporate elite, our progressive foresight will become translated into disdain by the very people we wish to help and the forces of greed, darkness and despair will remain ascendant.

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Not Just Another Issue
Posted by: StuartH on May 30, 2006 9:28 AM   
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I recently found a copy of Kunstler's book, "The Long
Emergency" at an airport bookstore. This seems to
me now as rather appropriate.

Cruising at 30,000 feet supported by high octane
fuel, and looking across the land where countless
cars are only visible now and then as tiny glints
is a perfect place to think about all this.

A lot of people I have talked to about what the
author calls "The Long Emergency" cannot seem
to take this seriously. One of the smartest people
I know, a computer programmer who develops
business administration software said that the
problem was overstated because the earth is
re-generating oil and gas resources the same
way they were originally created. No sweat.

I don't think the issue is about tone here. No
is this any ordinary concern.

If you really sit down and go through some
serious analysis, you reach conclusions that
are inescapable.

One is that cheap oil indeed is what was
fundamental to the development of the US
consumer economy of the 1950s and since.
We absolutely depend on oil and gas for
food production. Many people live in such
suburban conditions that they would really
be stuck if gas and oil became a much more
significant expense.

If gas prices rise over about $5.00 a gallon
the problem would not merely be the cost
of living notching up a little. In the US
economy, a ripple effect would begin to
produce a lot of problems that might not
be entirely foreseeable. But the cost of
gas, once it rises that far, will inevitably
keep on rising. At some point in the
21st century people will begin to get that
the decline in the worldwide supply of oil
is permanent and irreversible.

Will we simply coast into a situation where
increased conflict and chaos overwhelms
us? Or will we take this seriously and
begin to develop responses to this that
are based on cooperations that benefit
the human race as a whole and not the
corporations whose shortsighted greed
caused us to stay blinded?

One of the points that Kunstler makes
in his book is that Planet Earth should
be viewed as having a "solar carrying
capacity." This means the number of
humans who are supported without
improving on what comes naturally
from sunlight. Oil-based enhancements
that include fertilizers and transportation
create a carrying capacity above solar.
If that enhanced agricultural capacity
is reduced because oil becomes less
available, it means a large die-off of
the entire population could occur. This
could mean millions or billions. No one
knows. Common sense would lead to
the conclusion that the large scale
systems we depend on that are run on
oil and gas are in danger of slowing
down over the next decades.

When are we going to take this problem
seriously and what are we going to do
besides waiting to watch it on TV?

Are we going to be content to bitch
about the tone of articles written to
advance debate about the issues?

I think the tone of such criticism is really
indicative of a preference for denial. It
would be smarter to start doing research
and a lot of thinking.

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» Tone-deaf Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Tone-deaf Posted by: the poet
» RE: Tone-deaf Posted by: nickptar
It may not be quite so bad
Posted by: nickptar on May 30, 2006 10:05 AM   
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See here (Kunstler was a Y2K doomer as well!) and here.

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» RE: It may not be quite so bad Posted by: HeroesAll
Global Oil Peak, War and Energy Security
Posted by: MagmaReport on May 30, 2006 10:18 AM   
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" America is addicted to oil"
President W Bush (union address Jan. 31 2006)

Oil executives know that very well indeed: the days of cheap oil are over.
Much of the recoverable oil left in the earth's ground is concentrated in politically unstable countries, many of which are hostile to the West: Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, etc.
The earth is in fact running out of crude oil. The situation is so critical that it is the duty of intellectuals to mobilise both governments and populace in order to change our oil-addicted way of life. What do you really think the Iraq war is about? Or course, it is about putting an "End to Evil"; but it is their oil that's what makes them--Irak's and Iran's governements--dangerous for us: all their oil we are so very addicted to. Iraq actually possesses the earth's second-largest oil reserves, after Arabia. Face it: so much of the oil we use comes from the Middle East. (The idea to use oil as a weapon against the West comes from Nasser.)
So the fact is: if you are car-dependent, a suburbanite for instance, using daily large quantity of petroleum to reach the city, you are de facto addicted to Middle Eastern oil, a kind of junkie. Face it as a fact, because that makes you an actual hypocrite if you don't support the Iraq War, and the Iran War to come in the open, which are mostly about securing your car-dependent way of life.
The United States uses 25% of the earth oil daily production, but possesses only 3% of its remaining reserves. As Bush said, "America is addicted to oil"; a fact that can't be actually over-stated.
For us North-Americans (even for those who don't own a car), oil is the earth's most important resource. As currently configured, nothing is effective in our cities and suburbs without it. From this perspective, we are all junkies of a substance that is running out. The happy times of cheap-oil are over. In other words, our producer is letting us down, and our main dealers have declared jihad on us. Even an optimist like Leonardo Maugeri aknowledges that "'[p]roven' reserves alone, more than 1.1 trillion barrels, could fuel the global economy for 38 years even at current rates of consumption." Only 38 years. Think about that fact.
Is the crude oil peak imminent? Will crude oil cost keep on rising? Yes, with certainty. Of course, there are the Venezuela's heavy-oil fields and Canada's Athabascan oil sands. But they all call for radical mutation in the existing infrastructures required for producing, refining, distributing and consuming petroleum without producing massive environmental damages.
There is also natural gaz or even coal that might prove to be "alternative" sources of liquid hydrocarbon fuels. But still, the energy crisis is happening now, as oil demand is set to rise to 95m barrels a day within a decade... Have a look at the USGS resource estimates.
What are the key facts? First, there is no such thing as "unconventional" oil resources, and no such magick-bullet as an alternative global energy able to replace petroleum with the actual infrastructures of oil production and consumption, as all the non-fossil fuel energy sources actually depend on an underlying fossil-fuel infrastructure. Manufacturing metal wind turbines and making lead-acid storage batteries for solar electric systems both require an underlying fossil fuel economy.

Read more on the http://magmareport.net

And listen from HERE Listen to :
--Matt Simmons, author of "Twilight in the Desert: The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy," interviewed by Brian Lehrer
AND TO
--James Howard Kunstler, author of "The Long Emergency. Surviving the Converging Catastrophes of the Twenty-First Century"

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Wrong direction americana
Posted by: solrev on May 30, 2006 11:18 AM   
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What we need in this country is a four day work week. Then we could have a three day weekend to travel around in our pursuit of happiness. We need an unlimited supply of clean energy for every one on this planet. One does not have to change their life style at all to have it. I know lets change our food into gas, brilliant. The energy is there for the taking, the problem is someone is powerful enough to keep you from taking it.

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Pricey Gas? That's Reality
Posted by: day0527 on May 30, 2006 11:27 AM   
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Now here comes something folks have not given much thought. As we know, for the past 50 years or so, oil has been priced at X US DOLLARS per barrel. With oil in dollars, we have always been able to hold our own on the market, and everyone else in the world got short changed when they had to buy dollars to pay for their oil. Well, as many may know, the US dollar has for years been a sort of safety haven for currency, so that is one of the reasons oil was priced in dollars. Well, guess what. The Bush administration has let the US dollar go to hell in a hand basket on the world market, especially in respect to the European Euro. Much of this is due to the astounding increase in the national debt, the balloning budget deficit, the Iraqi war uncertainty, etc, which has caused instability in the dollar and a loss of faith as a currency haven. Now, I travel a lot and, in fact, I now reside in Spain, where I have visited and lived over the past 40 years. When I returned this time, in January, 2001, the US dollar exchange rate was $0.88 per European Euro. At that rate, one dollar would fetch just short of 1.14 Euros. Today, the rate, as I checked it several hours ago, was one Euro will fetch $1.2845 US dollars. This is around a 30-40 percent decrease in the value of the dollar since 2001. Some oil producers are already considering using the Euro to price a barrel of oil, due to the declining value of the dollar and its instability on the world market. The Bush administration has done nothing to support the dollar on the market due to a short sighted advantage of allowing the US to export more goods because other countries with strong currencies, such as the Euro, can get these goods relatively cheap, as compared to a strong US dollar. However, consider if the US has to purchase oil in Euros, it would require exchanging the dollars into Euros to pay the bill. Bottom line is, gasoline at $3.00 a gallon just might be a bargain if the oil producers change the means of pricing oil, i.e., going to the Euro. It just may be that we "ain't seen nothing yet as to the price of gasoline." By the way, if you are planning any vacations to Europe, be prepared to pay 30-40% more than you would have several years ago for everything from hotels, food, transportation, etc.

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cannibals-R-us
Posted by: cold2touch on May 30, 2006 12:11 PM   
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oil will disappear and with it the energy-hungry (subsidized) farming that depends on oil-based fertilizers, modified crops, farm machinery, delivery and marketing chain, industrial livestock operations dependent on vast amounts of pharmaceuticals, the whole notion of supply and retail will be inverted.
Hunger is on its way to our shores. As always, we will rely on our best resource - people.
Cannibalism will become acceptable again and in its organic form, downright fashionable.

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» RE: cannibals-R-us Posted by: famouspipeliner
I wish you even higher gas prices
Posted by: Wish on May 30, 2006 1:16 PM   
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Oh yeah, let the mockery start. How I am not even american. How I have no right. What do I know. Blahblahblah...
I wish you even higher prices, so you (you as in "the american people", as there is such a generalisation) finally wake up. And finally not just start pointing at everybody else for what is going wrong (like those 'stupid lefties' who don't kow shit...stupid righty). But also take a good look at yourself. In everything you've had a choice. And still have. And very bad choices have been made. There's enough everybody can do. From economizing yourself, unto putting pressure to politicians, industry, etc etc etc.

And if you think I don't know anything: YOU don't know what high gasprices are. You are living in a fantasyworld! Prices here in Holland always have been much higher than in your "land of plenty". At the moment the price for a gallon regular is (an estimated) $ 6.20 at-the-least.
True, a (very) big part of that is taxes. Still we have to pay it anyway.

So if you think you have to pay a lot for your gas, stop whining and DO something.

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Too Bad Its Not True Libbies
Posted by: feller on May 30, 2006 1:41 PM   
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1. Price of gas is about what it was 30 years ago, adj. for inflation. Not bad. Demonstrates an industry that is competitive, with high productivity that has adjusted to increases in demands. The world is much more prosperous than 30 years ago.

China and India are entering the auto age. The freedom that the auto gave Americans will provide options for these Asians. Democracy will benefit as society becomes more decentralized. America's suburbs, stereotypes aside, are not uniform. Consumer demand results in numerous kinds of suburbs that provide quality housing that lower income workers could only dream of years ago. The auto allows communities to be located at locations where workers, not yuppy stockbrockers and finance analysts, can live.
3. The American people basically have rejected trains as their primary transportation source. Trains are fine as secondary options. We are a free country or we are not.

4. There is enough petroleum that is recoverable in North America to meet our needs for at least the next century so that we can end dependence on Russia, the Middle east and hopefull Hugo Chavez. We simply need to stop the NIMBY attitude. Environmentally safe method of drilling are available.

5. To the extent natural gas or petrouleum are used for electricity, a ridiculous use of those resources, nuclear power can fill the vacuum. Politics, not safety, is the reason America is the only major advanced nation to put a lid on nuclear electritricity production. Of course nuclear does not generate carbon nor contribute to greenhouse warming (if that is an issue for some.)

Can we discuss how to solve problem practically instead of downgrading choices Americans have made that have made us more prosperous and have given us a higher lifestyle than 30 years ago? I think the Left loves it if it can show Americans suffer. But we don't. We live in a nation that on the whole functions better than any nation in history, in an economy that is better than when Bill Clinton left office. cliatsotritonel

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» Drill Me Posted by: feller
Peak oil is really not the direct reason for high gas prices
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 30, 2006 1:56 PM   
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It's easy to talk about peak oil production, but what may be more important is peak oil demand. To understand this one must delve into the economic history of the fossil fuel supplies, industry and markets. The ruler for the measuring the geological, physical peak in oil production is marked in decades, not years. At a minimum, every 'peak oil' prediction date should include 'plus or minus 10 years'. Since it took 150 years to reach the peak, it will take a comparable amount of time to go down the other side.

Historically, the oil industry has been faced with a glut of supply - from the east Texas oilfield discoveries onwards. Read Daniel Yergin's "The Prize" for a good history of the struggle to control the supply. Be warned - Yergin was Bush's first term advisor, and he entirely neglects the history of the stuggle to control the markets - a very devious business, perhaps best explained by Ida Tarbell's articles on Standard Oil some 100 years ago.

Today, the historical role of the "swing producer" may no longer exist. It used to be that Texas could flood the world with oil (a good 'sweating') and drive down prices if some uppity competitor tried to take over a juicy market. In the seventies, that role went to Saudi Arabia, but the deal was that the oil money would be reinvested in the British-US banking system, so the 'West' still retained oil price control via their Saudi 'friends', with OPEC exerting some control - the overall shared goal was to maintain the oil price. Nowadays, there may be noone who can suddenly flood the world with oil in order to control the price. Now, it seems that any country can bump the oil price up by withholding supply. Thus, the record profits - and more to come.

Climate change is another physical reality, like the amount of oil left in the ground, that also is playing out on a decades-scale timespan. This means that if we go by decade-steps through the next century, we will see clear human-induced climate change. However, there is a lot of coal in the ground - more then enough to roast the planet, that's for sure.

The obvious solution to both of these long-term problems is full scale development of renewable energy technologies, something that gathered steam in the late 70's, and then was quickly gutted when Reagan took office. From the coal, oil and gas (and nuclear) sectors, renewables are a massive assault on their markets (the fact that they are so worried should be a hint to you that these renewable technologies work very well!). Oil company economists are always worried about a reduction in demand for fossil hydrocarbons, and so hundreds of millions are spent by the fossil fuel sector to keep renewable technology from expanding rapidly.

Oil is just a part of the energy sector - the investment banks behind Enron are just as guilty here as any scheming executives at ExxonMobil. Oil depletion is going to play itself out over many decades - but the massive profits envisioned by the energy sector (oil, gas, coal, nuclear, traders and investors) will fail to materialize if there is a cheaper alternative - and the facts are very clear: solar, wind and biomass conversion technologies are that cheaper alternative. To develop completely, however, they need multibillion dollar inputs in production factories and R&D, they need a government that provides the necessary support (note how much support the gov't gives to Big Oil!)

Germany, Japan and Brazil seem to be leading the way in this regard. In the U.S. - well, the neo-traditional energy sector rules the country - Enron was just the most visible tip of a vast criminal iceberg. The fall of Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling - it's like the fall of Colombian cocaine kingpin Pablo Escobar. A hundred little Lays are waiting in the wings, and the legal structures put in place for Enron's benefit remain intact. Nothing has changed.

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Back in 78 we had a chance to do something about the high cost of gas !!!
Posted by: threedfm on May 30, 2006 2:07 PM   
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When Jimmy Carter asked this country to conserve on gas and oil , did we hear him , mybe for a short while . Then it was back to useing as normal . We did start thinking of other energy resources , but that lasted for a year or two . Then it was back to buying bigger cars , driving more and faster . What do you expect . Give the kid $ 100 to fill the car and go have fun !!!!!!

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Don't shoot the messenger!
Posted by: bttl on May 30, 2006 3:01 PM   
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Hmmm- I think perhaps Kunstler has struck a raw nerve with some of our posters; not necessarily uncommon I'd say. I don't at all believe that he has no sympathy for the situations that some people are in. Most Americans however, who now find themselves driving large SUV's and pick-ups just to go to the mall and carpool the kids to soccer practice are totally responsible for their situation. I live on a dirt road on a mountain and drive a small FWD car. I accept the fact that sometimes I just can't get where I'd like to go; life is like that. Those who have deliberately chosen to settle in the farthest "exurbs" in order to have "the good life"; overly large house, 3 car garage, etc have also made choices. They will have to live with these choices.

If one had been paying any attention over the past thirty years or so, there was ample evidence that all was not well with oil, natural gas, climate change, electricity , etc. Most however have not been paying attention. They have been on a frenzied buying spree, charging to the max, buying way more than is necessary or affordable. And now they are beginning to feel the collar tighten just a bit around the neck and they are starting to whine.

It is hard to feel a great deal of sympathy for those who have engaged in such gluttony. One wants to shout "whatever were you thinking" ? The problem is that they weren't of course. So now what? Well, first one must get the attention of the masses away from the latest about Angelina's baby and Brittney and whatever they are engrossed in. So Kunstler comes down a bit hard and abrasive perhaps but if we don't get the attention of our fellow citizens and elected officials on this matter we will all pay a higher price in the end.

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What is the most important thing in the world .... transport
Posted by: GeeOh on May 30, 2006 11:43 PM   
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That one thing that sets this modern population apart from all pevious generations? Is our steady accumulation of infrastructures. And the most important one is transport. As transport is the most influencing in determining what we can and cannot accomplish.

Transport need not be what it is today. The infrastructure of roads and highways is becoming increasingly outdated. It is not at all respective to our current technological abilities.

Electrical propulsion is by far the most efficeint way to accomplish movement. Elctrical motors are known to be 97% more energy efficient. And why cannot our highways incorporate electrical power. They could you know but it means redisigning them and it seems thier is and has been no interest in doing that. NOT A DIFFICULT THING to do. But here we are with same ole same ole.

The 1973 oil shortage prompted the private design of an interstate transport system. Engineers devised a system of elevated guideways along which individual motors would travel. To which anything could be attached. A sort of hoirizontal elevator system. For transitional reasons todays vehicles would simply utilize platforms. Pull onto a waiting platform and the tires are locked down and then enter a destination and be automatedly transported.
No accidents, congestion, petroleum emissions or fuel dependency.

The guideway has a permanent long lived 100 year lifespan. As all the wear is confined to low friction highwear surfaces. I suspect such a permanent guideway will have a cost of implementation that is about half that of highways. At least it will not possess half the funding for highways which is atributed solely to surface maintenances and extra lanes to account for increased usage.

There is not one but a whole number of amazing things that will occur when joining this fixed rigid pathways with the precise ability to regulate and conmtrol electrical propulsion.

We will have removed human error. and when the speeds are increased and the reaction zones removed. the amount of required structure becomes daramticaly reduced. One elevated beam can now replace 9 lanes of highway with the same flow rate capacity. WIth half the materials and a 100 year life span.

A gross calculation in comparing it to a highway suggests that at the current rate of $3.00 a gallon fuel cost. A provider of such a system would be now recovering a 1,040% annual profit in energy efficiency values alone.

Of course fuel is still on the rise and I suspect will hit $5.00 per gallon in the next few years. And the annuall profit will be well over 2,000 %.

Do your math boys and girls. Its time to build a modern distribution system. One the old boys have been avoiding for decades now.

Anyone care to get rich and save the world too. Transport can be visionally accomplished now with little more than a seriously reduced structure cost and utilizing on grid power. Not to mention ending accidents, congestion, emissions, the fragmentations of both wildlife and human habitat.


Its a long awaited infrastructural evolution which will revolutionize our human pursuits in personal, public and commercial well-beings.

Transports cost are by far the most commonly and repetively encountered. It has by far the greatest influence over the cost of everything. And it need not be more than the profitable provison of a permanent structure whose use would be then divided by an exponentially increased usage rate.

Our society's exhaustive energy and resource consumptions are entirely unecessary.
George@Eco-Developments.com

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Pricey gas?
Posted by: willymack on May 31, 2006 7:22 AM   
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In many ways, "civilization" has gone horribly wrong, what with urban blight, pollution, increasing ignorance in the presense of vast resources of information, and many other self-inflicted problems. Nothing better illustrates our situation than our addiction to autos and the hideous destruction and pollution caused by them. We Americans seem to think we can go merrily about without regard to the insults inflicted upon our Mother Earth, and the grim payback that's sure to come.

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EROEI: the only price of gas that matters
Posted by: wli on Jun 2, 2006 10:12 AM   
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What is a dollar? What does a dollar have to do with Peak Oil? George W. Bush and/or OPEC could declare the price of oil to be some number of dollars per barrel irrespective of supply, demand, or anything else. The conclusion, if you'll forgive the bordering-on-strawman, is that the number of dollars per barrel required as payment is irrelevant to Peak Oil. Nothing has touched the ground. It could be $2 for the last barrel of oil in the world or $1 billion when there are ten thousand years of oil left in the world. In the end, currencies are fiat, head-in-the-clouds gibberish.

The price of oil that matters is denominated in oil. How much of a barrel of oil does it take to pump a barrel of oil out of the ground? This is not an easy number to estimate, but it's the one that matters as far as Peak Oil goes. When this number hits 1, the brown and sticky has hit the rotating blades. Fortunately, that won't happen until well after Peak Oil.

Of course, the other implication is that the oil companies are gouging. The peak itself is not a sudden transition in much of anything besides increasing to decreasing annual production. Demand doesn't grow so fast. Price elasticity of demand doesn't account for it either. You are being gouged. In fact, take a look at Europe. They've not had to radically restructure their "petrol taxes" to soften gasoline prices up, nor have they witnessed commensurate price increases, though they've seen some. Why is it so different in the US? You are being gouged.

One could argue that the US' subsidies or other things are falling apart, thus un-protecting the prices. This, too, is false. All the old agreements are still in place. Venezuela's price hikes were compensated for by buying more from Canada and Mexico, and they were never a terribly influential supplier (the US' suppliers are diverse, and largely in the Western Hemisphere). Iraq we never depended on anyway; Iran likewise. Outside of some very poor African countries, there are no visible shortages as one would expect if supplies were actually tightening up, and indeed, the Third World is expected to feel the brunt of all this long before the US,. But thus far, it's only a couple of very poor African countries, not large swaths of the Third World or the whole Third World.

So where is all the money going? Straight to the oil CEO's pocket.

P.S.: Peak oil has psychological significance, but it's not terribly significant for markets or the real economy in itself; what happens with money depends on many other things. After the peak, annual production should decline at something like 2%-3%/yr, just as Cheney said in his 1998 speech, until the EROEI breaking point decades later. That's slow strangulation, not a sudden shock.

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National Bankruptcy
Posted by: worksg on Jun 4, 2006 7:00 AM   
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America has driven over a cliff in an automobile. High-priced oil contributes mightily to our huge and growing trade deficit. This deficit has already led several central banks to fear for the stability of the dollar and begin shifting their reserves to euros and gold. As the dollar falls the price of oil rises, the deficit grows, and the dollar falls faster. Nobody with dollars wants to be the last to sell. Hang on, a really big bump is coming soon.

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Yes, I'm afraid Yogibear likes to take it personally. Too bad. He's probably a bright fellow who just can't get past Kuntsler's style. A style brought forth by his fear of our future I daresay. Probably yogibear's fear is affecting his reaction to Kuntsler. Fear is the big energy blocker in thought, dis ease, and all manner of human endeavor. There are good solutions abounding, we need only relegate our fear to the background and concentrate on whatever solutions we are capable of. I'm betting that Kuntsler will be heralded as a sage in decades to come.

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