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Ahmadinejad: Not Hitler After All
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"Dangerous Parallel: Is Iran turning into the new Nazi Germany? Share your opinion online at nationalpost.com."
The readers who wrote in immediately savaged the article, its author and the National Post's facile, transparent attempt to resurrect the Wermacht. No one took the bait, and the disbelief quickly spread across the internet.
The swift rejection of this attempt to turn Iran into the Fourth Reich incarnate is surely a natural reflex of a public still smarting from the ordeal of the Iraq PR campaign. Another explanation for the rapid response is the massive growth in streams of alternative information available to the public -- organizations like Media Matters and PR Watch literally make their living exposing lies and propaganda as they are released through media and government channels.
And then there are the bloggers who can singlehandedly get to the bottom of large-scale lies. In the case of the National Post story, blogger Taylor Marsh phoned the Simon Wiesenthal Center, which had confirmed Taheri's story after the report came out. A researcher Marsh spoke with on Friday "was eager to confirm it, using words like 'throwback' to the Nazi era, 'very true' and 'very scary.' ... "
Within the day, the story was repudiated. Middle East expert Juan Cole revealed that there was no evidence of any such anti-Jewish Iranian legislation, citing a report in the Australian press that quoted an Iranian politician denying its existence. Later in the day, Marsh again called the Wiesenthal Center and got the runaround. Looking at a fax the researcher sent her as background, Marsh discovered that the National Post had suggested to a rabbi at the Wiesenthal Center that it was important to "draw attention" to Taheri's report, exposing the scaffolding behind the propaganda effort.
Marsh concluded with the pointed question, "Who got the Simon Wiesenthal Center to stick their necks out on this bogus Iranian badge story, risking their very reputation and funding credibility, and who had what to gain by doing so?"
Marsh's deconstruction matters, because the story quickly made the rounds in conservative media, as analyst Jim Lobe wrote for IPS:
Taheri's story ... was reprinted by the New York Post, which is owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, and picked up by the Jerusalem Post, which also featured a photo of a yellow star from the Nazi era over a photo of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Another neoconservative publication, the New York Sun, also noted the story Monday, claiming that the specific report that special badges were required by the legislation had been "incorrect." At the same time, however, the Sun quoted two Iranian-American foes of the Islamic Republic as suggesting that dress requirements for religious minorities were still being considered by Iran's ruling circles. It offered no evidence to support that assertion.The rapid discrediting of the Taheri article had real impact; instead of Condi Rice’s trumpeting it as evidence of a proto-Nazi human-rights disaster, all we heard was a peep from U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, who professed ignorance of the now-toxic article and slyly referred to the idea of Iran forcing people to wear badges as evocative of "Germany under Hitler."
Since the evil dictator line has been used and abused to the point of meaninglessness over the past five years in Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea and elsewhere, Bush and his team have been reduced to plundering words that still have some resonance in American life: "Hitler," "Nazis" and "Holocaust." Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker quoted a former senior intelligence official who said that Hitler is the "name they are using" for Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
But, as the National Post story makes apparent, this tactic is not really working. The columnists and propagandists who support attacking Iran appear to sense that the Nazi backdrop through which they have been asked to present "The Iranian Question" reflects the utter baselessness of the charge and the facility with which opponents can easily refute their claims. Unlike the point-blank lies and bullet-point shotgun blasts on the op-ed pages and cable segments we got with Iraq about evil and weapons programs, with the Iran campaign, it has to be subliminal, surreptitious, stab-in-the-back.
Take conservative pundit Niall Ferguson's attempt in the L.A. Times. His May 15 opinion article was ostensibly about the rise of many little Cold Wars with the proliferation of nuclear powers. But within six sentences, Ferguson reveals that he wants to talk about Iran. Soon enough, in the most backhanded way possible, he tiptoes toward the Nazis:
"It is, of course, always dangerous to draw analogies with the 1930s. Too many bad decisions have been made over the years on the basis of facile parallels -- between Hitler and Nasser, between Hitler and Saddam Hussein."
In other words, even the Nazi comparison may have been looted of its meaning in the name of making bad decisions. So haven't we learned our lesson? No, because Bush still has one very bad decision to make, and a fanatic obsession with war does not generally give rise to creative impulses. So Ferguson relents: "Still, in one respect, Ahmadinejad really has taken a leaf out of the Führer's book."
It would be a distraction to explain just which leaf Ferguson is referring to, because then we'd be missing the point, which is to push us to link our historic venom against Nazis with anything Iranian, at any cost. Even the projection of Ahmadinejad as supreme leader is dubious; analysts and reporters have argued that he's merely a figurehead, and Seymour Hersh qouted a European diplomat who declared, "Ahmadinejad is not in control."
If enough people laugh off the attempts to draw Hitler's moustache on Ahmadinejad's upper lip, we might see the domestic propaganda division of the Get Iran effort shut down. The rapid and torrential takedown of the Taheri story is a good step in that direction.
But what if the propaganda were to stop, yet the attack on Iran were launched anyway?
Given the growing sense of total independence the Bush administration has displayed over the years, and its contempt for the press, it doesn't take a huge leap of the imagination to envision them attacking Iran while ignoring congressional power, public opinion, protesters and dissidents alike. That would be a very scary "first" in American history -- the only administration to go to war without a propaganda campaign. They don't even feel the need to lie to us anymore.
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Posted by: Counter Intelligence on May 25, 2006 12:43 AM
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May 24, 2006
Russia and Iran Oil Burse
As a US citizen and most likely to suffer from a drop in the American dollar, I cannot urge Russia and Iran to start selling oil in Euros and Rubles as soon as possible.
It is an unfortunate fact of life that the US Government is so completely out of control in the world today. The current US Administration is so belligerent and disrespectful to other countries of the world that I feel a complete collapse of its economic system would be the jolt needed to begin the changes necessary to fix this country's broken democracy.
For months, I believed there was an energy crises, which was causing the current US Administration to behave so irrationally. First they destroy the World Trade Center Towers and attack the Pentagon to blame foreign terrorists to justify an attack, invasion, and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now Iran is in the cross hairs. To be sure the world is now at Peak Oil and oil reserves are now in decline. But there is no energy crises.
Many hard working entrepreneurial Americans have invented amazing devices to split water into hydrogen gas and oxygen gas for combustion in an internal combustion engine. Their excitement to save their country from an energy crises has resulted in either their deaths or being paid to bury their devices. It's a crime beyond contempt.
Why?
Because the oil companies control the White house and US government policy. US government policy, the US military, and the public US treasury are at the disposal of the US oil companies to secure more oil rich areas of the world, which they can exploit for their personal gain.
The US government does not work for its people. Is not responsible to the American people. Does not care about the American people nor other people of the world.
The US Government only cares about ensuring that its benefactors the US oil companies continue to have a product to sell to earn billions of dollars, irregardless of the damage this product does to the environment.
(co2 gas and greenhouse warming)
This is the price of a capitalistic system, which is now severely broken. When a government does not have the best interests of its people and the world at heart it is time for that government to end its reign of destructive power.
There is no war on foreign terror in the United States, there never was, there is only a war on domestic terror. This war is currently being fought by the American people against their own federal government, to have it removed so a more responsible government body can be put into place.
A new US government body, which will embrace the welfare of the people and those of the world. A government that will immediately embrace the new water fuel technology and stop warring in the Middle East.
Democracy in the United States is only an illusion. There is no democracy at the top, only players manipulated by the oil companies to do their bidding.
The sooner the financial collapse of the United States occurs the better it will be for everyone concerned. The current US Administration is as much a danger to its own people as it is to the rest of the world, especially Iran.
I wish good luck to Russia and Iran on their new oil burses. I urge all countries of the world to trade in Euros and Rubles abandoning the American dollar.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is the current state of affairs in the United States government be it republican or democratic. Congress is likewise corrupted by oil money.
Why?
It's the way this capitalistic system works. And now it's broken beyond repair.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 25, 2006 2:41 AM
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Richard Clarke, in his eye-opening book, Against All Enemies, related the story that, within days of the attacks of September 11, 2001, Bush cornered him outside the cabinet meeting room and literally ordered him to find a connection to Iraq. They never had any intention of going after Osama bin Laden or whoever it was who was really behind the events of that horrible day (I'm starting to wonder). Their real and ONLY intention was to invade a sovereign nation that was a threat to no one but it self. Do you really think for one minute that had Iraq's main export been galvinized bicycle clamps these assholes would have even thought about invading it? If you do, I have a One thousand dollar stove made out of balsa wood that I'd just love to sell you!
Forgive me for sounding like a broken record but I'm not going to stop screaming about this until the day (or night - I'm open to suggestions) George W. Bush AND Dick Cheney are impeached, removed from power and hauled off to prison for the rest of their fucking lives for their crimes against humanity in general and the people of Iraq in particular.
Yes kiddies! George W. Bush will be remembered in history. primarily, as the first former chief executive of this once-great country to be sent to federal prison. Sound crazy? Stay tuned.
Pray for peace.
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Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on May 25, 2006 5:52 AM
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Posted by: cry0fan on May 25, 2006 6:03 AM
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Your total disregard of this factor shows how little you urderstand marketing and propaganda. It amazes me how you so called political pundits get by with this.
PROPAGANDA IS A NUMBERS GAME. You want as many people as possible to read it. If lots of people read it, you WIN, even if it is later proved false.
And just showing something to be false doesn't even work that well. There will be a lasting aftereffect.
Go study psychology for a couple of years....
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Posted by: Arvy on May 25, 2006 6:21 AM
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If any country attacked American interests with nuclear weapons they would be quickly NUKED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH by the USA. Everyone knows it. They also know that the only reason to have a nuke is to prevent America from threatening them (see the example of North Korea which openly taunted America with their nuclear capability while Bush was reducing Iraq to stone-age levels of sophistication and talking of 'diplomatic' solutions for N.Korea).
The Iranian president is performing for his domestic audience and muslims in general in the middle east, much like Saddam used to do. If he attempted a strike on Israel he knows that's the end for Iran).
I was in Iran during 9/11 and thousands of people thronged the streets holding candles for the victims of that atrocity. The news channels reported it as a terrible crime but knew it was related to American foreign policy. When I switched over to CNN I saw Bush claiming that the terrorist 'hated freedom'. The contrast between sympathetic yet intelligent comment and sheer childish propoganda was striking. Iranians respect America as a soverign nation and merely wish the same respect from the rest of the world, but realise that America and their clients are only interested in their oil. There'll always be nutters in Iran just as there'll always be nutters in America (Pat Robertson, anyone? Dick Cheney? Anne Coulter?) They scare me more than that little Iranian guy.
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Posted by: astockton on May 25, 2006 7:14 AM
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Normally the Taliban paid no attention whatever to worldwide public opinion (cf. the Buddha statues that they blasted into confetti) but this time the uproar was so vehement that they quickly rescinded their decree.
The bogus "yellow badges for Iran's Jews" story read as if it were lifted word-for-word from the stories years ago about the Taliban and the Afghan Jews.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 25, 2006 7:15 AM
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"Let's get Teheri to write this fake article; we'll then plant in one of our private press outlets, maybe through Murdoch. Now we need to make sure this story is picked up and widely promoted. Who came up with this one? Nice work - the yellow stars are very evocative, and I like that you included both Jews and Christians.
Now, what else are we working on in this area? We need to portray Iran as an out-of-control nuclear lunatic state - what about that fake story about Iran having a bomb "in a matter of months"? Can we boost that one up on the media pole? Is it a bad idea to use the mushroom cloud / smoking gun image again?
Okay, now let's turn to covert operations currently being conducted in Iran - I assume everyone here has security clearance, chuckle chuckle. If we can get some populations to 'rise up' in the north, the Kurds maybe, we can paint them as repressing their own population - who is in charge of this?"
It looks like a carbon-copy replay of the Iraq war lead-in - except that the Iranians aren't playing along (I bet Bush and Rumsfeld hated the sight of that 18-page letter with a passion, Bush cause he might have had to read it, Rumsfeld because he knew it made Iran look more reasonable, less crazy).
Never forget Goebbels description of effective propaganda: First, he says, simplify all complex topics until a small child can understand them. Then, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat. If anyone dissents, label them as traitors who are threatening the security of the people and the state.
The neocons aren't Nazis; they are wannabe Nazis, smiling little proto-fascists - and if they could get away with more, you know they would leap at the chance.
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Posted by: codingguy on May 25, 2006 8:04 AM
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http://info.bahai.org/persecution_iran.html
add to that the threats against israel and it's easy to see why some folks jumped at the "badges" story.
And, for the record, i don't believe for a moment the U.S. harbors any plans to attack Iran (after the debacle in Iraq).
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 25, 2006 8:29 AM
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I'm talking about the national ID card btw... It's sad that one would have to suspect such a seemingly benign object as being so dangerous. But it is. It's as "Nazi" as anything could ever be. And it has little opposition. Hell, I still feel like a damn loon every time I bring this up.
I can imagine what those first few conscientious Germans must have felt when they heard the rumors that the jews were being exterminated, not relocated. What do you say when you find out it is true? What did they say? What could they say? ...Without sounding like a damn loon? Sooner or later everyone is going to have to find out the answer to that question if we want things to change for the better.
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Posted by: kryptx on May 25, 2006 9:05 AM
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Nuh uh! Bush is Hitler!
Is not!
Is too!
.... grow up, people. And get a grip. Hitler is dead.
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Posted by: needlefoot on May 25, 2006 9:34 AM
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Leaders, such as Bush and Ahmadinejad, have been around for centuries, too.
People who allow leaders to do their thinking for them have always made it possible for leaders like Bush and Ahmadinejad to flourish - throughout the centuries.
Unfortunately, we appear to be living in an era when we, the people, are content to let our leaders do just that. While we sit quietly on the sidelines, OUR leaders are turning OUR world into THEIR little battleground.
There is a solution: Start using that organ, the brain - be it gifted by evolution or God!
THINK!
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on May 25, 2006 12:59 PM
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C'mon, did we really believe that Iranian Jews would be subjected to such treatment? Ahmadinejad is no Hitler, nor Iran is a Arabic version of the Third Reich.
I don't remember seeing Iranian tanks plowing through Syria, Turkey, or wheeling madly toward Jerusalem. If so, then where are the concentration camps? The comparisons are absurd. Mein Gott!
So folks, don't always believe the news about Iran coming from the Murdoch camp. They want you to believe in a POINT OF VIEW. You'll never get the truth if you read or listen to false stories like this.
It is irresponsible journalism, awful reporting at its best.
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Posted by: jonwilson on May 25, 2006 1:53 PM
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What's the big deal?
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Posted by: cold2touch on May 25, 2006 4:49 PM
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Now, a few facts: National Post used to be owned by Conrad Black, married to Barbara Amiel (feel free to peruse some of her articles on the subject), who also owned Jerusalem Post and had Richard Perle on the board of directors. Black sold National Post to Israel Asper, check his bio on Wikipedia: Izzy Asper.
One quote goes as follows: "While a Liberal in domestic Canadian politics his views in regard to Zionism coincided with the right wing Likud".
Just so you know where the above story of Mein Krap originated.
The worisome part is how quickly this bargain basement rant was picked up by the neocon echo chamber and now most people who have heard it never read the retraction in National Post.
By the way, Izzy Asper died and the torch of disinformation was passed to his son, Leonard.
I watched him on CBC (whom Nat Post had previously accused of antisemitism, naturally) last night harrumphing in righteous indignation: "It is absolutely preposterous that someone would consider this as a matter of editorial policy".
In other words, innocent until proven guilty for the thousandth time.
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Posted by: codingguy on May 25, 2006 8:40 PM
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Iran has threatened Israel continuously since 1979 when khomeini came to power. sorry that doesn't fit in with your worldview, it just happens to be true.
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Posted by: gramps on May 27, 2006 6:03 AM
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Shock and Awe. . . The name given to the assault on Iraq was an act of terrorism that surpassed the attack on the twin towers and had been planned before the attack on New York City. It is three in the morning and an 85 year old WWII vet woke up this morning filled with anger at his daughter and granddaughter. His daughter had just E-mailed him photographs taken of her daughter and fiancé taken in Iraq. The granddaughter was a Captain on her third tour in the occupation of the cradle of civilization. It is as though the ghost of Heydrich the butcher of Czechoslovakia had visited me in a nightmare. The evident pride of my daughter in “Captain Lulu” contrasted with the sorrow of Cindy Sheehan brought back symptoms of the post traumatic stress syndrome that recurred when I was under anesthetic for a hip replacement. My surgeon said that it took three of them to hold me down.
This is terror and I have been terrorized but I am not under anesthesia. I simply ran to my typewriter and am pouring my anger on my word processor. Unlike Cindy I do not see our youth in Iraq as “our dear troops”. Being an officer Lulu has the option of resigning her commission; unlike the enlisted people she is a careerist leading the mercenaries who are rapidly losing their humanity in this never ending war on the behalf of Israel and Halliburton. Seven generals have resigned their commissions but we still allow the Bush administration to contemplate a war on Iran and have sent warships to the Caribbean to threaten Nicaragua. The American people are still a sleeping giant. They are slowly waking up but where is “the terrible resolve”. When are they going to turn on the fascist criminals in Washington?
Before going to sleep I watched the Jon Daly show that pillories the administration take a shot at the United Nations for including China and Cuba as members. His objection was that they were violators of human rights. The only human rights being violated in Cuba are the rights of the concentration camp prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. Cuba has the best medical care in the world and China is faced with a population of over a billion people. Somehow watching decent people like Lulu and Jon accepting the lies of the corporation media is disturbing, but the knowledge that both houses of congress refuse to impeach the criminal gang that has taken over our country is horrifying.
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You write well, but your analysis are superficial, don't bring anything new to the discourse, and talk about being touchy!
-I am from Southamerica, and lived there during the Condor Plan years. That's the conspiracy generated by that CIA front man, Chilean Gen. Pinochet, who in cahoots with the the Argentine junta, the Uruguayan army's civilian prop Pres. Bordaberry, Paraguay's Pres. Gen. Stroessner, Brazil's many military heads of government during that period, and even Bolivian Pres. Gen. Banzer, eliminated as much as they could of the opposition -leftists, of course (remember, School of the Americas had trained a large numbers of the repressors)- who dared touch the local elites selling the growing economic wealth being looted from those countries. I had been in Europe and Canada just before the last coup in my country of birth, so luckily I was not bothered, but, for family reasons, I was stuck there while the 'totalitarian' -as Sen. Bentsen would have defined them- regimes where in control and their fascistic tactics were slowly getting more defined. It always starts slow at first. So my experience tells me, yes, as things are going on today, that seems to be whats in store for the US. You must agree at some level, since you moved to Canada.
-I know I started insulting you by calling you vapid, splenetic, and boring, but it's because you taunt in almost everyone of your posts. You are a bully who begins by hurling insults. Go back and read your posts in just this subject today, starting at 8:56 pm. Let the record speak by itself.
-With cold2touch you present yourself as if you are intellectually honest, but when I posted something from Jeffrey Blankfort about his understanding of how the AIPAC lobby wags the dog, and Israel bites the hand that feeds it, in your answer you called him, first, Blankfart (how old are you, really?) and then that he must be " a jew of... some kind " Why not be honest and call him what you wanted, "a self-hating jew"?
-This deserves to be clarified: Jeffrey Blankfort is a well know California radio personality, jewish, but not a Zionist. I completely feel that to you, if a Jew is not a diehard pro Israel no-matter-what, then "you are against us."
For those interested on reading the daring and sincere interview of J. Blankfort, April 18, 2006, The Chomsky/Blankfort Polemic (yeah, that Chomsky) this is the link:
www.sf.indymedia.org/news/2006/04/1727000.php
You know, you make things harder for everyone of us if a political entity such as a country, Israel in this case, cannot be criticized. It's absurd! After 60 years in a hot regions as the middle east, several wars, occupation, a brand-new apartheid wall, and AIPAC!, what do they expect, to be left alone?! No one, nowhere, is that clean. The Swiss thought they were, but... well, I'm sure you know the story. Things kept down under pressure tend to explode.
I get tired of writing in English and having to use so many arbitrary prepositions all the time. I tell this before you tell me to go back to my native land to learn English.
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"Dangerous Parallel: Is Iran turning into the new Nazi Germany? Share your opinion online at nationalpost.com."
How IS it that some people can spread untruths about another person or peoples, KNOWING that they have no basis for such assertions, or not CARING if there is anything to support such allegations?
How can people be so freaking narrow-minded, thinking that those who think like they do are the only people on the planet that COUNT?
How much inbreeding IS there in America, that people feed off each other in such a way?
My God, there is so much beauty in the humanity living on Terra Earth - how and why does such ugliness get such press? How can anyone believe such unproven demonizing lies?
How many times does our government get to demonize the leaders of other countries before even the least intelligent of us realizes we are being played like a rented goalie?
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"Stephen Kimber, a columnist for 15 years with the Halifax Daily News, quit in January after his column was killed by corporate headquarters. Kimber wrote in the column, which was eventually published in the Globe and Mail (1/7/02), that
CanWest’s owners, Winnipeg’s Asper family, which made its fortune in the television business, appear to consider their newspapers not only as profit centers and promotional vehicles for their television network but also as private, personal pulpits from which to express their views.
The Aspers support the federal Liberal Party. They're pro-Israel. They think rich people like themselves deserve tax breaks. They support privatizing health care delivery. And they believe their newspapers...should agree with them."...
More at full article:
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Russia and Iran Oil Burse
As a US citizen and most likely to suffer from a drop in the American dollar, I cannot urge Russia and Iran to start selling oil in Euros and Rubles as soon as possible.
It is an unfortunate fact of life that the US Government is so completely out of control in the world today. The current US Administration is so belligerent and disrespectful to other countries of the world that I feel a complete collapse of its economic system would be the jolt needed to begin the changes necessary to fix this country's broken democracy.
For months, I believed there was an energy crises, which was causing the current US Administration to behave so irrationally. First they destroy the World Trade Center Towers and attack the Pentagon to blame foreign terrorists to justify an attack, invasion, and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now Iran is in the cross hairs. To be sure the world is now at Peak Oil and oil reserves are now in decline. But there is no energy crises.
Many hard working entrepreneurial Americans have invented amazing devices to split water into hydrogen gas and oxygen gas for combustion in an internal combustion engine. Their excitement to save their country from an energy crises has resulted in either their deaths or being paid to bury their devices. It's a crime beyond contempt.
Why?
Because the oil companies control the White house and US government policy. US government policy, the US military, and the public US treasury are at the disposal of the US oil companies to secure more oil rich areas of the world, which they can exploit for their personal gain.
The US government does not work for its people. Is not responsible to the American people. Does not care about the American people nor other people of the world.
The US Government only cares about ensuring that its benefactors the US oil companies continue to have a product to sell to earn billions of dollars, irregardless of the damage this product does to the environment.
(co2 gas and greenhouse warming)
This is the price of a capitalistic system, which is now severely broken. When a government does not have the best interests of its people and the world at heart it is time for that government to end its reign of destructive power.
There is no war on foreign terror in the United States, there never was, there is only a war on domestic terror. This war is currently being fought by the American people against their own federal government, to have it removed so a more responsible government body can be put into place.
A new US government body, which will embrace the welfare of the people and those of the world. A government that will immediately embrace the new water fuel technology and stop warring in the Middle East.
Democracy in the United States is only an illusion. There is no democracy at the top, only players manipulated by the oil companies to do their bidding.
The sooner the financial collapse of the United States occurs the better it will be for everyone concerned. The current US Administration is as much a danger to its own people as it is to the rest of the world, especially Iran.
I wish good luck to Russia and Iran on their new oil burses. I urge all countries of the world to trade in Euros and Rubles abandoning the American dollar.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is the current state of affairs in the United States government be it republican or democratic. Congress is likewise corrupted by oil money.
Why?
It's the way this capitalistic system works. And now it's broken beyond repair.
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Richard Clarke, in his eye-opening book, Against All Enemies, related the story that, within days of the attacks of September 11, 2001, Bush cornered him outside the cabinet meeting room and literally ordered him to find a connection to Iraq. They never had any intention of going after Osama bin Laden or whoever it was who was really behind the events of that horrible day (I'm starting to wonder). Their real and ONLY intention was to invade a sovereign nation that was a threat to no one but it self. Do you really think for one minute that had Iraq's main export been galvinized bicycle clamps these assholes would have even thought about invading it? If you do, I have a One thousand dollar stove made out of balsa wood that I'd just love to sell you!
Forgive me for sounding like a broken record but I'm not going to stop screaming about this until the day (or night - I'm open to suggestions) George W. Bush AND Dick Cheney are impeached, removed from power and hauled off to prison for the rest of their fucking lives for their crimes against humanity in general and the people of Iraq in particular.
Yes kiddies! George W. Bush will be remembered in history. primarily, as the first former chief executive of this once-great country to be sent to federal prison. Sound crazy? Stay tuned.
Pray for peace.
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Your total disregard of this factor shows how little you urderstand marketing and propaganda. It amazes me how you so called political pundits get by with this.
PROPAGANDA IS A NUMBERS GAME. You want as many people as possible to read it. If lots of people read it, you WIN, even if it is later proved false.
And just showing something to be false doesn't even work that well. There will be a lasting aftereffect.
Go study psychology for a couple of years....
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If any country attacked American interests with nuclear weapons they would be quickly NUKED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH by the USA. Everyone knows it. They also know that the only reason to have a nuke is to prevent America from threatening them (see the example of North Korea which openly taunted America with their nuclear capability while Bush was reducing Iraq to stone-age levels of sophistication and talking of 'diplomatic' solutions for N.Korea).
The Iranian president is performing for his domestic audience and muslims in general in the middle east, much like Saddam used to do. If he attempted a strike on Israel he knows that's the end for Iran).
I was in Iran during 9/11 and thousands of people thronged the streets holding candles for the victims of that atrocity. The news channels reported it as a terrible crime but knew it was related to American foreign policy. When I switched over to CNN I saw Bush claiming that the terrorist 'hated freedom'. The contrast between sympathetic yet intelligent comment and sheer childish propoganda was striking. Iranians respect America as a soverign nation and merely wish the same respect from the rest of the world, but realise that America and their clients are only interested in their oil. There'll always be nutters in Iran just as there'll always be nutters in America (Pat Robertson, anyone? Dick Cheney? Anne Coulter?) They scare me more than that little Iranian guy.
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Normally the Taliban paid no attention whatever to worldwide public opinion (cf. the Buddha statues that they blasted into confetti) but this time the uproar was so vehement that they quickly rescinded their decree.
The bogus "yellow badges for Iran's Jews" story read as if it were lifted word-for-word from the stories years ago about the Taliban and the Afghan Jews.
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"Let's get Teheri to write this fake article; we'll then plant in one of our private press outlets, maybe through Murdoch. Now we need to make sure this story is picked up and widely promoted. Who came up with this one? Nice work - the yellow stars are very evocative, and I like that you included both Jews and Christians.
Now, what else are we working on in this area? We need to portray Iran as an out-of-control nuclear lunatic state - what about that fake story about Iran having a bomb "in a matter of months"? Can we boost that one up on the media pole? Is it a bad idea to use the mushroom cloud / smoking gun image again?
Okay, now let's turn to covert operations currently being conducted in Iran - I assume everyone here has security clearance, chuckle chuckle. If we can get some populations to 'rise up' in the north, the Kurds maybe, we can paint them as repressing their own population - who is in charge of this?"
It looks like a carbon-copy replay of the Iraq war lead-in - except that the Iranians aren't playing along (I bet Bush and Rumsfeld hated the sight of that 18-page letter with a passion, Bush cause he might have had to read it, Rumsfeld because he knew it made Iran look more reasonable, less crazy).
Never forget Goebbels description of effective propaganda: First, he says, simplify all complex topics until a small child can understand them. Then, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat. If anyone dissents, label them as traitors who are threatening the security of the people and the state.
The neocons aren't Nazis; they are wannabe Nazis, smiling little proto-fascists - and if they could get away with more, you know they would leap at the chance.
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http://info.bahai.org/persecution_iran.html
add to that the threats against israel and it's easy to see why some folks jumped at the "badges" story.
And, for the record, i don't believe for a moment the U.S. harbors any plans to attack Iran (after the debacle in Iraq).
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I'm talking about the national ID card btw... It's sad that one would have to suspect such a seemingly benign object as being so dangerous. But it is. It's as "Nazi" as anything could ever be. And it has little opposition. Hell, I still feel like a damn loon every time I bring this up.
I can imagine what those first few conscientious Germans must have felt when they heard the rumors that the jews were being exterminated, not relocated. What do you say when you find out it is true? What did they say? What could they say? ...Without sounding like a damn loon? Sooner or later everyone is going to have to find out the answer to that question if we want things to change for the better.
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Nuh uh! Bush is Hitler!
Is not!
Is too!
.... grow up, people. And get a grip. Hitler is dead.
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Leaders, such as Bush and Ahmadinejad, have been around for centuries, too.
People who allow leaders to do their thinking for them have always made it possible for leaders like Bush and Ahmadinejad to flourish - throughout the centuries.
Unfortunately, we appear to be living in an era when we, the people, are content to let our leaders do just that. While we sit quietly on the sidelines, OUR leaders are turning OUR world into THEIR little battleground.
There is a solution: Start using that organ, the brain - be it gifted by evolution or God!
THINK!
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C'mon, did we really believe that Iranian Jews would be subjected to such treatment? Ahmadinejad is no Hitler, nor Iran is a Arabic version of the Third Reich.
I don't remember seeing Iranian tanks plowing through Syria, Turkey, or wheeling madly toward Jerusalem. If so, then where are the concentration camps? The comparisons are absurd. Mein Gott!
So folks, don't always believe the news about Iran coming from the Murdoch camp. They want you to believe in a POINT OF VIEW. You'll never get the truth if you read or listen to false stories like this.
It is irresponsible journalism, awful reporting at its best.
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What's the big deal?
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Now, a few facts: National Post used to be owned by Conrad Black, married to Barbara Amiel (feel free to peruse some of her articles on the subject), who also owned Jerusalem Post and had Richard Perle on the board of directors. Black sold National Post to Israel Asper, check his bio on Wikipedia: Izzy Asper.
One quote goes as follows: "While a Liberal in domestic Canadian politics his views in regard to Zionism coincided with the right wing Likud".
Just so you know where the above story of Mein Krap originated.
The worisome part is how quickly this bargain basement rant was picked up by the neocon echo chamber and now most people who have heard it never read the retraction in National Post.
By the way, Izzy Asper died and the torch of disinformation was passed to his son, Leonard.
I watched him on CBC (whom Nat Post had previously accused of antisemitism, naturally) last night harrumphing in righteous indignation: "It is absolutely preposterous that someone would consider this as a matter of editorial policy".
In other words, innocent until proven guilty for the thousandth time.
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Iran has threatened Israel continuously since 1979 when khomeini came to power. sorry that doesn't fit in with your worldview, it just happens to be true.
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Shock and Awe. . . The name given to the assault on Iraq was an act of terrorism that surpassed the attack on the twin towers and had been planned before the attack on New York City. It is three in the morning and an 85 year old WWII vet woke up this morning filled with anger at his daughter and granddaughter. His daughter had just E-mailed him photographs taken of her daughter and fiancé taken in Iraq. The granddaughter was a Captain on her third tour in the occupation of the cradle of civilization. It is as though the ghost of Heydrich the butcher of Czechoslovakia had visited me in a nightmare. The evident pride of my daughter in “Captain Lulu” contrasted with the sorrow of Cindy Sheehan brought back symptoms of the post traumatic stress syndrome that recurred when I was under anesthetic for a hip replacement. My surgeon said that it took three of them to hold me down.
This is terror and I have been terrorized but I am not under anesthesia. I simply ran to my typewriter and am pouring my anger on my word processor. Unlike Cindy I do not see our youth in Iraq as “our dear troops”. Being an officer Lulu has the option of resigning her commission; unlike the enlisted people she is a careerist leading the mercenaries who are rapidly losing their humanity in this never ending war on the behalf of Israel and Halliburton. Seven generals have resigned their commissions but we still allow the Bush administration to contemplate a war on Iran and have sent warships to the Caribbean to threaten Nicaragua. The American people are still a sleeping giant. They are slowly waking up but where is “the terrible resolve”. When are they going to turn on the fascist criminals in Washington?
Before going to sleep I watched the Jon Daly show that pillories the administration take a shot at the United Nations for including China and Cuba as members. His objection was that they were violators of human rights. The only human rights being violated in Cuba are the rights of the concentration camp prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. Cuba has the best medical care in the world and China is faced with a population of over a billion people. Somehow watching decent people like Lulu and Jon accepting the lies of the corporation media is disturbing, but the knowledge that both houses of congress refuse to impeach the criminal gang that has taken over our country is horrifying.
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You write well, but your analysis are superficial, don't bring anything new to the discourse, and talk about being touchy!
-I am from Southamerica, and lived there during the Condor Plan years. That's the conspiracy generated by that CIA front man, Chilean Gen. Pinochet, who in cahoots with the the Argentine junta, the Uruguayan army's civilian prop Pres. Bordaberry, Paraguay's Pres. Gen. Stroessner, Brazil's many military heads of government during that period, and even Bolivian Pres. Gen. Banzer, eliminated as much as they could of the opposition -leftists, of course (remember, School of the Americas had trained a large numbers of the repressors)- who dared touch the local elites selling the growing economic wealth being looted from those countries. I had been in Europe and Canada just before the last coup in my country of birth, so luckily I was not bothered, but, for family reasons, I was stuck there while the 'totalitarian' -as Sen. Bentsen would have defined them- regimes where in control and their fascistic tactics were slowly getting more defined. It always starts slow at first. So my experience tells me, yes, as things are going on today, that seems to be whats in store for the US. You must agree at some level, since you moved to Canada.
-I know I started insulting you by calling you vapid, splenetic, and boring, but it's because you taunt in almost everyone of your posts. You are a bully who begins by hurling insults. Go back and read your posts in just this subject today, starting at 8:56 pm. Let the record speak by itself.
-With cold2touch you present yourself as if you are intellectually honest, but when I posted something from Jeffrey Blankfort about his understanding of how the AIPAC lobby wags the dog, and Israel bites the hand that feeds it, in your answer you called him, first, Blankfart (how old are you, really?) and then that he must be " a jew of... some kind " Why not be honest and call him what you wanted, "a self-hating jew"?
-This deserves to be clarified: Jeffrey Blankfort is a well know California radio personality, jewish, but not a Zionist. I completely feel that to you, if a Jew is not a diehard pro Israel no-matter-what, then "you are against us."
For those interested on reading the daring and sincere interview of J. Blankfort, April 18, 2006, The Chomsky/Blankfort Polemic (yeah, that Chomsky) this is the link:
www.sf.indymedia.org/news/2006/04/1727000.php
You know, you make things harder for everyone of us if a political entity such as a country, Israel in this case, cannot be criticized. It's absurd! After 60 years in a hot regions as the middle east, several wars, occupation, a brand-new apartheid wall, and AIPAC!, what do they expect, to be left alone?! No one, nowhere, is that clean. The Swiss thought they were, but... well, I'm sure you know the story. Things kept down under pressure tend to explode.
I get tired of writing in English and having to use so many arbitrary prepositions all the time. I tell this before you tell me to go back to my native land to learn English.
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"Dangerous Parallel: Is Iran turning into the new Nazi Germany? Share your opinion online at nationalpost.com."
How IS it that some people can spread untruths about another person or peoples, KNOWING that they have no basis for such assertions, or not CARING if there is anything to support such allegations?
How can people be so freaking narrow-minded, thinking that those who think like they do are the only people on the planet that COUNT?
How much inbreeding IS there in America, that people feed off each other in such a way?
My God, there is so much beauty in the humanity living on Terra Earth - how and why does such ugliness get such press? How can anyone believe such unproven demonizing lies?
How many times does our government get to demonize the leaders of other countries before even the least intelligent of us realizes we are being played like a rented goalie?
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"Stephen Kimber, a columnist for 15 years with the Halifax Daily News, quit in January after his column was killed by corporate headquarters. Kimber wrote in the column, which was eventually published in the Globe and Mail (1/7/02), that
CanWest’s owners, Winnipeg’s Asper family, which made its fortune in the television business, appear to consider their newspapers not only as profit centers and promotional vehicles for their television network but also as private, personal pulpits from which to express their views.
The Aspers support the federal Liberal Party. They're pro-Israel. They think rich people like themselves deserve tax breaks. They support privatizing health care delivery. And they believe their newspapers...should agree with them."...
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http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1106
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