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Democratic Weakness Confirmed

By Glenn Greenwald, AlterNet. Posted May 24, 2006.


Gen. Hayden's confirmation process confirms the fear and passivity that governs Senate Democrats.

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Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee yesterday essentially assured that President Bush's nominee to head the CIA, Gen. Michael Hayden, would not only be confirmed by the full Senate, but confirmed overwhelmingly. That's because a majority of the Democratic Committee members (along with, needless to say, all of the Committee Republicans) voted in favor of confirming Gen. Hayden:

The Senate Intelligence Committee strongly endorsed Gen. Michael V. Hayden on Tuesday to be the next director of the Central Intelligence Agency, with all but three members, all Democrats, voting to send Gen. Hayden's nomination to the Senate floor.
The panel's 12 to 3 vote virtually guarantees that Gen. Hayden will win confirmation by the full Senate, which is likely to vote on his selection before the end of the week.
Four committee Democrats joined all eight Republican members in endorsing the general. Sen. Pat Roberts, a Republican from Kansas and the panel's chairman, called Gen. Hayden "a proven leader and a supremely qualified intelligence professional."
The committee's vice chairman, John D. Rockefeller IV, a Democrat from West Virginia, said Gen. Hayden had shown "the necessary independence that is essential to restoring the CIA's credibility and stature."
Given the similarities, it sounds like Pat Roberts and John Rockefeller drafted their statements together, which is nice. Four Democrats -- Feinstein, Rockefeller, Levin and Mikulski -- voted for Hayden and then praised him lavishly. Three Democrats -- Feingold, Wyden and Bayh -- voted against him.

Although it's hardly surprising, this result is still rather extraordinary. Gen. Hayden ought to have been seen as the most defiant and inflammatory person possible for the president to have nominated. He was, after all, the director of the NSA at the time it implemented its illegal warrantless eavesdropping program, as well as its massive data-collection schemes, and he is a True Believer in the theories of presidential power that hold that the president has the right to violate the law. And he wasn't nominated to be the agriculture secretary, but the director of the CIA -- probably the very worst position you would want someone to occupy with that history of surveillance lawbreaking and system of beliefs regarding the rule of law.

But no matter. Thanks to the generous and always-accommodating Senate Democrats, this nomination will be trouble-free for the president. This series of events led John Cole yesterday to make this insightful observation:
While I miss not spending as much time reading blogs, writing as many posts, and commenting on other blogs, stepping back from it all has allowed for some clarity regarding the current political system. When I was immersed in blogs, I felt that the Democrats were having some success blocking the current administration, but when I look back, I was just fooled by the current game. The Hayden nomination is a perfect example.
When he was nominated, a few people had fits, a chorus of echoes emerged and then there appeared to be a popular effort to block his nomination. And then time went by, and now it looks increasingly like he will be confirmed, as everyone has moved on to something else -- "Look, a Rabbit!" -- as everyone gets all worked up about the FBI raiding Rep. Jefferson's office or whatever the issue du jour might be.
And if you look back on things, that is how it has been since the beginning of this administration -- they do what they want, Democrats throw up an opposition that is of varying degrees of tepidness (did I just make that word up?), a few "maverick" Republicans cross lines (briefly), and then the administration gets what they want.
Rinse and Repeat. … In short, while immersed in the blogosphere, you get the feeling that the political climate is changing, but if you step back and look at the big picture, it looks much more like the SSDD.
It is very hard to argue with that. There were already ample grounds for attacking the Hayden nomination when it was announced, and then, right in the middle of it, an all-new, highly controversial, likely illegal NSA program was revealed for which he was responsible. But that was barely a speed bump in the harmonious, smooth sailing of his confirmation.

For all the talk of the weakened and impotent presidency and the split among Republicans, it is still virtually always the case that the president gets what he wants and without much difficulty. The few times he fails -- Harriet Miers, the Dubai Port deal, anti-torture legislation -- is because Republicans, not Democrats, take a stand against the White House.

But by and large, what happened yesterday with Gen. Hayden's nomination is exactly what would have happened in 2002 and 2003. Democrats are afraid to challenge the president due to their fear -- always due to their fear -- that they will be depicted as mean, obstructionist and weak on national security. And so, even with an unbelievably weakened president, and even with regard to the most consequential issues -- and can one doubt that installing Gen. Hayden as CIA director is consequential? -- Democrats back away from fights, take no clear position, divide against each other and stand up for exactly nothing.

It is quite possible that Democrats would not have been able to stop Gen. Hayden's nomination. It is true that they are still in the minority and thus are limited in what they can achieve legislatively. But that's really irrelevant. Gen. Hayden is a symbol and one of the chief instruments and advocates of the administration's lawlessness. He refused to say in his testimony even whether he would even comply with the law. Opposing his nomination is both compelled by a principled belief in the rule of law as well as justified by the important political opportunity to highlight this administration's lawbreaking. Sen. Feingold, as usual, shows how this works:
The Democrats who voted against the nomination were Russell D. Feingold of Wisconsin, Ron Wyden of Oregon and Evan Bayh of Indiana. Each cited concerns about Gen. Hayden's role in a controversial domestic surveillance program he ran while head of the National Security Agency.
"I am not convinced that the nominee respects the rule of law and Congress' oversight responsibilities," Mr. Feingold said.
In other words, there are serious questions about whether Gen. Hayden will comply with the law and whether he believes in the rule of law, so perhaps it's not a good idea to install him as CIA director. Is there some reason Democrats were afraid to make that clear, straightforward, critically important point?

Yet again, Senate Democrats show that they have no more concern for the rule of law and for the excesses of this administration than Senate Republicans do. Due to their really pitiful passivity, they are every bit as much to blame for the excesses and abuses of the administration as the compliant Republicans are.

I've written before that, at least to me, the principal if not exclusive benefit of the Democrats taking over one or both of the congressional houses in November is that it will impose some checks and limitations on the behavior of the administration and, specifically, will finally result in meaningful investigations into what has happened in our country and to our government over the last five years. But I have serious doubts about whether that would really happen.

After November 2006, the presidential elections are not far away. The same paralyzing, stagnating, fatally passive Democratic voices who always counsel against standing up to the administration aren't going anywhere. It is not hard to imagine what they will be saying:
President Bush is a lame duck who is out in 2008, and so it doesn't matter what he got away with or what he did. Conducting investigations into these intelligence and "anti-terrorist" scandals will be depicted as obstructionist and weak on national security, and will jeopardize our chances to retake the White House and will cost us House and Senate seats. It is best to look forward, not to the past, and not be seen as conducting vendettas against the lame duck president. What matters is taking the White House in 2008, and so there is no reason to attack the president on these matters of the past.
Is there any doubt that the likes of Sens. Feinstein, Rockefeller, Levin, etc., are going to follow that thinking, as they always do? I don't see how that can be doubted. I think congressional Democrats will be more cautious and passive, not less so, if they take over one of the congressional houses in 2006. People who operate from a place of fear and excess caution become even more timid and fearful when they have something to lose. The Democratic congressional chairs are going to be desperate not to lose that newfound power, and they will be very, very vulnerable to the whiny whispers of the consultant class that they should not spend their time and energy investigating this administration or vigorously opposing them on national security matters.

John Cole is absolutely right that Democrats have managed to change virtually nothing as a result of the collapse of the Bush presidency. That's because they think the same and behave the same as they did when they were getting pushed around by Bush as a highly popular "war president." As a result, there is no reason to believe they will be any better than they are now (and have been for the past four years) if and when they take over one or both congressional houses. One could make a compelling case that they will be even worse.

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Glenn Greenwald is a constitutional law attorney and chief blogger at Unclaimed Territory. His forthcoming book, "How Would a Patriot Act: Defending American Values from a President Run Amok" will be released by Working Assets Publishing next month.

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The Reichstag Burned
Posted by: ChristopherLL on May 24, 2006 12:27 PM   
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In 1933 the Reichstage burned down giving Hitler an unobstructed path and the power to implement military totalitarianism. At this point I can see no reason for the Capital Building will not following, at least symbolically or metaphorically, the same fate

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» RE: The Reichstag Burned Posted by: the islander
» RE: The Reichstag Burned Posted by: aussidawg
CAUSE THEIR PAID!!!!!
Posted by: SonnyDr on May 24, 2006 1:00 PM   
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Hey I'm a liberal and I have voted democrat for the last 4 elections (although in NYC I did vote for Bloomberg). I have come to the realization that democrats and republicans aren't any different. They are lobbied (bought) by the same people.

Action are louder than words. They claim to be different than the GOP, but they vote for the same bad policies the GOP make up, like bankruptcy law, energy law, Iraq war, etc... Hillary is trying to pass a flag-burning amendment, going after rappers - what is she a liberal or Bill O'Reilly??? And now they vote for a dude that sanctioned the illegal NSA spying program.

I don't see a difference? do you?? I'm looking for a third party - tired of the sold-out corporate scum.

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» I'm looking for a third party Posted by: Lincoln fan
» We tried that in 2000! Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» RE: We tried that in 2000! Posted by: Lincoln fan
» Are you serious? Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: CAUSE THEIR PAID!!!!! Posted by: aussidawg
The Paid Hacks Win Again
Posted by: midwestblue on May 24, 2006 1:55 PM   
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I've had it. Anyone who would listen to these hack consultants who put poltics over country shouldn't be trusted with running the country. The consultants don't even consider people like us. I've heard Begala, time and time again, call us all kinds of names. Well, I've got news for them: they are putting down their base, and THE BASE TURNS OUT ON ELECTION DAY. I'll think I might forget about politics altogether: it's too disheartening and futile.

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It's a long way to November
Posted by: ccbite on May 24, 2006 2:11 PM   
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Beware the ides of november.

It's anything BUT a given that the democrats are going to take the house back in november, especially with stunts like this. This 'let the republicans self-destruct' strategy is so foolish and an out-and-out admission that they have no ideas of their own. How can you not have new ideas after all the damage has been done by the bush cabal? Surely 5+ years has been long enough for some introspection?

Bush is the democratic version of Katrina for the country.

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Definitions
Posted by: veive on May 24, 2006 2:13 PM   
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The nanometer is defined as the extent of real difference between the Reps and Dems.

Employees know from whence their incomes are derived and we're not talking about the pittances paid in salaries by the taxpayers. (Wink, wink) One example: Hillary kisses Rupert's ass and old Rup makes sure her war chest is full so she can put up a "good fight" in her lost cause presidential bid. The whore, formerly known as John McCain, has already kissed more than enough monied asses to ensure his victory in 08.

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» RE: Definitions Posted by: RoffleTheWaffle
stupid, guttless and HYPOCRITICAL
Posted by: Drclaw on May 24, 2006 2:24 PM   
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note that this absolutely clueless and base behavior came AFTER the DNC sent around their petition to protest the Hayden nomination. Either
A) The right hand (gutless wing of the party) doesn't know what Dean (left hand) is doing, or
B) The gutless wing doesn't give a crap and would rather hide till '06 than make a stand.

I personally find it outrageously insulting to be asked to stick my neck out (as well as being pumped for cash) by a bunch of gutless wankers with no follow through. I'm furious and disgusted, and vented on the DNC. I doubt it will do any good, but what the hell.

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neither Dems nor GOP politicians are weak or spineless; they are powerful, wily overclass members
Posted by: cry0fan on May 24, 2006 4:07 PM   
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I love it how the so called Dem netroots are portraying the Dem politicians as spineless and weak, impotent, fearful, etc.

The democratic politicians in DC are wily, smart, powerful members of the overclass. They are quasi-sociopaths who will do anything they think they can get away with to keep and increase their power. These are very charming and ingenuous people. THey are at the top of the heap in this world with respect to power, and to some degree, wealth.

Just because they are not "standing up to the Repugs" etc, you think they are weak, fearful. How they must laugh at you, when they bother to note what they think at all. These people act the way they do for well thought out and calculated reasons. They aint weak or fearful. They are greedy and charming and powerful.
Same goes for the GOP.

Know them for what they are--the enemy!

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5 'Easy' Steps to a Winning Leftist Party
Posted by: fairleft on May 24, 2006 4:44 PM   
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The Democrats are weak because our political point of view is confused and hypocritcal, and therefore neither understood nor trusted by a big, critical, naturally sympathetic chunk of the population. We need to make our party a consistently pro-working class, anti-racist, anti-imperialist party, and make the following conditions for any party candidate for Congress or the Presidency:

1. Abandon the military-industrial complex campaign contributions and demand a 70% cut in the war budget (including the military spending in places like the Dept of Energy).

2. Support a Canadian-style single-payer health care system, plus a doubling of the number of students in US medical schools within twenty years.

3. Reject NAFTA, CAFTA, and the WTO, and return to the sovereign, nationalist economic policies of the 1950s and 60s, which were better for us and the rest of the world (including the third world).

4. Take the side of working poor and working class US citizens against the interests of illegal immigrants and the corporations who exploit them. Embrace the Cesar Chavez legacy on this issue.

5. Reject affirmative action wherever it is outdated, and assume it's outdated unless there is concrete evidence of continuing bias. Generally, embrace the 1960s dream of Martin Luther King Jr. on moving to a post-racialized society.

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Sell Out on Hayden !!
Posted by: Glennk1949 on May 24, 2006 5:22 PM   
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The DC Demo sell out during the Hayden nomination is a clear warning to all of us that even if the DC Demos win back control of Congress by some miracle nothing will change anyway.

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Maybe the Democrats LIKE the direction
Posted by: Lizmv on May 24, 2006 6:35 PM   
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this country is going. After all, for the most part, the Democrats in Washington are also members of the elite class and have become wealthy the same way powerful Republicans do. .

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End of Democractic party
Posted by: keenekarl on May 24, 2006 8:31 PM   
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It's official, the Democratic party is done. They failed to resist one of the most destructive and potentially dangerous nominations this terrible President has put forth. They have no guts, no true heart. They have totally failed those who have supported them - they have failed the American people. They have proven that they do not deserve to govern. And since the Republicans have proven the same, it is time for a real political revolution. Both parties have proven that the best interests of the American people are not even near the top of their priority list. It is time for the formation of a new party that will work for the people - not for the rich or the priviledged. I am sickened by this development. It truly is beginning to look like Nazi Germany re-visited! We must throw out these traitors before it's too late! Is there no person out there with leadership skills and the means who will rise up to challenge these chamelons?! We cry out for a deliverer! Deliver us from evil! Deliver us from evil!

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» RE: nd of Democractic party Posted by: RoffleTheWaffle
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» Numbers must be met with numbers. Posted by: Lincoln fan
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What can they do?
Posted by: williameon on May 25, 2006 1:21 AM   
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They're all shivering in their boots!
There's a new Sheriff in town.
Say something?
He'll shoot you down.
Ever hear of Terror and Torture?
All hail the:
Chief!
Commander and thief
Who do you thing they are spying on anyway?
You?
Come on, get real.
They are spying on all the figure-heads, talking heads, politicians and corporate clones.
The people who run the system for them and create this Delusion.
they have taken over everything.
They are a virus.
They stole everything and use all resources available to control you.
That's the name of the game.
Check the facts Jack.

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What about Robertson?
Posted by: truthcommission on May 25, 2006 1:33 AM   
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The confirmation of General Hayden is so dangerous on many different levels. First, there are obvious unanswered questions about the NSA spying program. Bush knew that nominating Hayden would be controversial - and that's exactly why he did it. He recognized the problems created by the USA Today cover story (among many others.) and he also knew that Hayden, who played an intimate role in the creation of the illegal program, would be grilled by some Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee. By nominating Hayden, and expeditiously confirming him, it's as if he was given another one of those "mandates" to persue his agenda; which, in this case, means violating the law on a massive scale by spying on innocent American citizens. When the chief architect of an illegal program practically strolls through what should have been a fierce debate unscathed, it sends the message that the program has been discussed, debated and validated; which is clearly not the case for anyone who actually follows these stories.

I commend Sens. Feingold, Bayh and Wyden for their integrity. However, they failed to make one point which could have been very powerful. I would have asked the question this way:

General Hayden. In December 2005, Judge John A. Robertson, a sitting member of the secret FISA Court, resigned in protest over President Bush's secret authorization of a domestic spying program. The FISA law lays out rather clearly the appropriate ways in which a domestic wiretap warrant is obtained. What does it say about the legality of the program when one of the judges who is charged with overseeing the legality, implementation and usage of the law in question, resigns in protest because he feels that law is being broken??

Concise, powerful and perfect for a soundbite. Why none of the committee members didn't raise this issue is beyond me. The fact that an investigation did not rise out of General Haydens confirmation hearing is very disturbing. As Glenn clearly shows, this further illustrates the Democrats' cowardice even in the face of a severely weakened President and highly controversial program. Once the General is confirmed, the only Democrats I will respect are the ones who vote against him.

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» RE: What about Robertson? Posted by: aussidawg
What was the difference again?
Posted by: AlanSmithee on May 25, 2006 4:36 AM   
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Between the Republicrats and the Demolicans, I mean. Didn't there used to be two parties? No, wait. I'm thinking of some other country.

The Hayden vote proves once again, as if we needed furthur proof, that the only sane vote is 3rd Party and Independent. In november, send this message to the duopoly:

WE CAN'T AFFORD YOU!

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» RE: What was the difference again? Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: What was the difference again? Posted by: AlanSmithee
» RE: What was the difference again? Posted by: peacefulaim
fight the criminals
Posted by: rsaxto on May 25, 2006 4:37 AM   
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If the Democrats don't get some backbone and fight with all their energy the current criminals that are running the USA then the worst of the Republicans will win again in 2006 and again in 2008.
And the people of the world will feel the full wrath of the death machine that will eliminate freedom and justice in the entire world.

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» RE: fight the criminals Posted by: peacefulaim
where is the young generation on all this?
Posted by: concerned Canadian on May 25, 2006 5:53 AM   
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In the midst of all, where are the young?

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Could have been a lot worse... and a lot better
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 25, 2006 6:24 AM   
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There would be problems with any candidate for this post proposed by this administration - that's a given. Hayden just might be a member of a different political class then the neocon crazies - imagine if Stephen Cambone, Rummy's sidekick, had been appointed to the job. What appears pathetic is that the Democrats didn't use the nomination as a platform for investigating the domestic spying program - or maybe they did, and the US corporate media refused to cover it in any manner whatsoever. What's the point of holding hearings if they aren't reported in the press?

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Attack upon dissenters?
Posted by: douglashoyt on May 25, 2006 7:00 AM   
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I have thought for some time now that the reason the Democratic Congress acts so compliant towards Mr. Bush has sometimes to do with the NSA/CIA/DIA domestic spying. It is not only that the Democrats are corrupt and greedy, but that blackmail is being threatened against any member who would step out of line.

For example, look at the administration attacks upon candidate John Kerry. Those were even unjustified upon evidence.

To support my contention that the illegal surveillance program is being used to blackmail dissenters read this article:


“NSA knows this. Bayes' Theorem is elementary common knowledge. So, why does NSA spy on Americans knowing it's not possible to find terrorists that way? Mass surveillance of the entire population is logically sensible only if there is a higher base-rate. Higher base-rates arise from two lines of thought, neither of them very nice:

1) McCarthy-type national paranoia;

2) political espionage.”

http://counterpunch.org/

“Why Does the NSA Engage in Mass Surveillance of Americans When It's Statistically Impossible for Such Spying to Detect Terrorists?”

By FLOYD RUDMIN

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Who?
Posted by: Gma1 on May 25, 2006 7:05 AM   
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I would like to ask all Democrats/former Democrats/discouraged Democrats: 1) Whom would you suggest for this post?; Did you write/call your representative?; 3) Did you write to your local/any newspaper oped dept?

Vent all you want. Change won't happen if you sit on your ah...hands and do nothing. Remember this is a party in the minority that is trying to get back into the majority. Sometimes politics are really smelly...it's the nature of the beast. But, talking to the choir does nothing.

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» RE: Who?-ALL of the above Posted by: Drclaw
Spineless Americans.
Posted by: chasaturn on May 25, 2006 7:06 AM   
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The Demopublicans have us where they want us, powerless and penniless. More people know the name of the new American Idol than know who their senators are. Time to quit bitchin' and get all jiggy wi' it. The last tools we have to protect ourselves from tyranny are our guns. Sad, but true. Anyone who tells you anything different has an agenda and shouldn't be trusted. Loaded into railroad cars like cattle... moooo!

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» RE: Spineless Americans. Posted by: peacefulaim
Shades of J. Edgar Hoover
Posted by: gar on May 25, 2006 7:14 AM   
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Well let's see now - we have THE man who has headed up the biggest, most sophisticated spying organization in the world; a man who's boss has admitted to extending that spying to American citizens. They won't tell us which American citizens because, you know, national security and all that.

So you take this man and you nominate him for another job where he can repeat his past "successes." But to get the job, he has to pass an interview with a panel of very powerful and influential people.

But is Bush worried? Are you kidding? Who do you think he's been spying on for five years? Us commoners? Nah. Why would he do that?

Seriously, what do you really do that would be interesting enough to spy on? But now a congressmen - that's a different story. And just a little dirt would be so helpful in little job interviews don't you think?

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Carl Levin????
Posted by: Diego on May 25, 2006 7:54 AM   
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As an ex resident of Michigan I always took great pride in the fact that Carl Levin was my representative. Thoughtful, grandfatherly Carl Levin looking down over his glasses and letting the dark side know, in a very measured way, that he didn't buy any of their bullshit.

Now it appears he's been coopted too. That he's just as afraid of the stupidist, most incompetent president in history as the rest of that sorry lot. I'm afraid we're doomed, folks. The Democrats are going to sit on their collective thumbs waiting for the Republicans to self -destruct before they are willing to expose their alleged backbones and by then it will be too late. Carl, how could you?

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» RE: Carl Levin???? Posted by: keenekarl
» RE: Carl Levin???? Posted by: peacefulaim
Dem win?? I don't think so....
Posted by: dikaiosyne on May 25, 2006 8:04 AM   
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Take it from me. When the elections come in November it will still be a case of the lesser of the two evils. We know Democrats are incapable of managing the global war on terrorism. In fact they aid and abet the Islamo-fascists in their plans with their constant whining and complaints about non-issues like Abu-Ghraib, Guantanamo and overseas prisons for homicidal terrorists. The fact that they have NO ideas that resonate with the electorate such as How to handle the nation's energy problems (in fact they obstruct any attempts to increase our energy independence) and tax policies (tax...tax...tax...that's all we do!) Proclaiming and harping "I HATE GEORGE BUSH!!" is about all the Dems do and that isn't going to get them any advantage in the elections. Couple the above with redistricting that favors incumbents and you have a status quo result. I expect the Dems to pick up a handful of seats but not near enough to win control in either house. Its going to be another cycle of disappointment for the Democratic Party. That is good because the Democratic Party has become the party of Left wing KOOKS and even Right wing KOOKS would be preferable if one has to make a choice. The GOP wins another round I predict.

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» RE: Dem win?? I don't think so.... Posted by: Lincoln fan
An Eerie Resemblance.
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on May 25, 2006 8:22 AM   
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Has anyone noticed that General Hayden bears an eerie resemblance to Pinky, the mouse who wants to conquer the world?

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» RE: An Eerie Resemblance. Posted by: YogiBear
Demo Crazy Now
Posted by: Roverton on May 25, 2006 9:07 AM   
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Keep your friends close, and the Democrats even closer?

Sounds familiar, something from ancient Rome...

I keep hearing that an independent candidate has no chance whatsoever in the next election cycle.

How bad do they have to be to not appear as an improvement over today's utter catastrophe?

The failing on this one is us. We've supported the Democratic party far beyond their support for us. It is now the very definition of madness to comtinue to support anyone who is capable of such monumental betrayal.

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» RE: Demo Crazy Now Posted by: peacefulaim
There IS a Solution to the Two Party System! And it's on your ballot!
Posted by: aussidawg on May 25, 2006 9:16 AM   
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I don't know about the rest of the country, but this fall, in the state elections in Texas, there are going to be a record number of Libertarian candidates on the ballot.

The Libertarians have the appeal to get votes from both conservatives and progressives. They support fiscal responsibilty, separation of religion/politics and church and state, individual liberty, state/local governmental power over federal governmental power, and most of all, believe the governing law of this country is the Constitution. They object to the vast military spending, support of the military/industrial complex, preemptive/preventive war, government support of corporate interests, the war on drugs, and big government in general. A good example of a Libertarian currently serving our country is Congressman Ron Paul from Texas. He may be listed as a Republican, but he was merely wearing the badge to get elected in an area dominated by staunch conservatives. He is a full blood, true to heart Libertarian and he is working diligently for us and our rights. That would be us, as in we the people, not us we the corporations of America.

The Libertarian Party has almost always had a presidential candidate on the ballot. The problem is that they do not have the financial backing to publicize their platform, thus the candidates and their ideals remain unknown to the majority. My suggestion is, this fall vote for a change in balance in the federal elections by supporting a democratic majority so as the third party votes don't wind up in neocon hands, but in your local elections, try the Libertarian candidate. If the party can become more well known on the local level, perhaps in 2008, they would have a shot at the federal level. Hey, why not try fighting fire with fire? The neocons use the incremental system to push their extremist agenda, why can't we use the same tool to regain our country?

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clinker
Posted by: cottontail on May 25, 2006 10:27 AM   
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It's great to see all these good folks venting their rage over the corrupt and criminal elements in Washington. However, because of a complicit press, criminals in corporate suites, and a thoroughly corrupt congress lacking a true opposition party, the jig is up. It's over. Grab yourself a life-jacket of some kind because the ship of state is heading for the rocks and only the big money folks will survive.

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» Don't give up. Posted by: Lincoln fan
The Reason? Diebold and ES&S "deliver" the vote
Posted by: xbj on May 25, 2006 10:43 AM   
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You'd quiver and cave too if you held your office at the whim of the NaziGOP.

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Just Wait Until Passports Are Revoked
Posted by: mrcentrist on May 25, 2006 11:12 AM   
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Not to be too much of an alarmist, but I would suggest that you take your trips abroad now before people like General Hayden and other Bush appointees revoke U.S. Passports. I would guess that within five years, all existing U.S. Passports will be made null and void, and one will have to pass a political background check and pay a hefty application fee if one wishes to obtain a new passport to be able to travel outside the United States. This would be done, of course, in the name of national security. Such a move would probably boost the Republican Party's popularity in a big way, since only about a quarter of Americans possess a passport now anyway. Remember that people who are interested in traveling abroad tend to be viewed by the general public as "a bit queer", and the British would say.

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THROW THE BUMS OUT!
Posted by: krose on May 25, 2006 11:18 AM   
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PUT ALL OF THE SENATE DEM WIMPS ON NOTICE!

I just told Menendez who is running in 2006, that although I am a DEM, I would not vote for him, if he voted for the "Guest-Worker" travesty and an increase in the H1-B Visas.

Both of my WIMPY DEM SENATORS DO THE SAME THING. IGNORE ME, & SO I HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE BUT TO THROW THE BUMS OUT!

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» RE: THROW THE BUMS OUT! Posted by: Lincoln fan
Support Feingold!
Posted by: mstenger on May 25, 2006 1:09 PM   
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The only way I will vote for a Dem for prez is if Russ Feingold is the nominee. He is the only Dem with any guts. I hope the other schleps in the party don't try to silence and ostracize him. If Feingold is not the nominee, you bet I'm voting 3rd party. I will never, ever again sell my soul to vote for a Dem loser like I did in 2004 for Kerry. C'mon folks, if you start voting 3rd party, others will eventually come along!

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» RE: Support Feingold! Posted by: krose
» RE: Support Feingold! Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Support Feingold! Posted by: peacefulaim
Power vs. No Power
Posted by: Stonecutter on May 25, 2006 3:17 PM   
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This is a very depressing but insightful piece. One of the "good guys" recently wrote that it's no longer about Dem vs. GOP, or about issues, but about those with power vs. those without it, those who will pay any price to retain that power, vs. those who want to take it away and have it for themselves.

Lost in this cynical charade are the rest of us, out here screaming about fairness, justice, absence of accountability, indifference to professional and even personal shame at the commission of one outrageous act after another. If this presidency wasn't so tragic and dangerous, it would be beyond laughable, like having the Marx Brothers running Fredonia.

Ben Cohen, co-founder of Ben&Jerry's Ice Cream (which he sold to Unilever in 2000), now heading up True Majority.com, a grass roots organization dedicated to redistributing the federal budget among other goals, recently spoke in an interview about the escalation of illegal, imbecilic, essentially totalitarian actions repeatedly taken by this administration, and the phenomenon of "outrage fatigue" that has overtaken so many worried citizens out here beyond the Twilight Zone of the Washington Beltway.

Confirming General Hayden will put a mountain of icing on that cake. Just as Democrats who voted to support Bush on Iraq back in Oct, 2002 were later neutralized in their half-assed protestations when things went south, confirming Hayden will now effectively spay any Democrat (Feingold, Wyden and Bayh notwithstanding, although they will be pissing in a hurricane) who otherwise might be a credible counterweight against the GOP, with the demonstrable exceptions of the aforementioned Russ Feingold and the resurgent Al Gore, who's looking better every day.

With the Boomers beginning to retire soon in droves, the so-called centrist Democrats are going to play to their primary concerns about conservation of wealth, safety from the jihadists, guarded separation in their luxury golf communities and gilded ghettos from the heaving mass of new immigrants, and relative indifference to the future problems of this nation, their children or grandchildren, despite the AARP image-makers.

Gore seems to be tapping the more youthful segment of the party that still has a lot of life to live, and wants a habitable planet to live it on. They're fed up with the Bush juggernaut of war du jour, pernicious environmental, energy and trade policies and deficit-driven financial meltdown. In my view, Al may be a re-tread to some, but he's got the right stuff to put together an insurgent campaign that could suck the hot air out of Hillary's balloon before she and Bill know what hit them.

In the grand scheme of things, president Gore replacing president Bush is a fantasy worth having, like McGovern beating Nixon. Not perfect, but as close to a rescue from oblivion as we're likely to get.

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» RE: Power vs. No Power Posted by: krose
» RE: Power vs. No Power Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: Power vs. No Power Posted by: peacefulaim
The Weakness of Both Parties Opens the Way for An Independent
Posted by: keenekarl on May 25, 2006 8:11 PM   
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AN INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE DOES HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN IN THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE - let that be our mantra!

If people hear it enough from enough of us they will finally begin to believe it's possible - ESPECIALLLY IF A VIABLE CANDIDATE STANDS UP AND RUNS!

With 70% of the people fed up with the top leaders in both parties, now is the time for an independent to take center stage!

With the Republicans and Democrats polling in the 30% range, it might be possible for an independent to win with 35-38% of the vote!

I say it's worth a try!

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Dems = incompetence or malice?
Posted by: nbrown on May 25, 2006 9:23 PM   
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Are the Democrats really not voting how they want? Is there a reason for them not to vote their conscience? They'll be criticized either way.

A studied look at the voting history of the Democratic Party shows that it has never favored human rights. From internment camps, to mass imprisonment, to forced military service, you can't make the case that these are human rights supporters who are just timid. Timid people don't kill millions of people in Vietnam. Timid people don't give the US the highest imprisonment rate in the world. Timid people don't vote for the PATRIOT Act -- twice. Timid people don't fund oil wars -- killing people for money.

The Dems aren't weak-willed, they just have no conscience. They are good cop / bad cop with the republicans, nothing more. They vote the same way but pretend to just "be scared" as if "scared" people are the kind who get elected to the United States Senate.

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I'M GIVING UP ON THEM NOW
Posted by: krose on May 26, 2006 7:53 AM   
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I JUST READ THE VOTES FOR THE IMMIGRATION BILL.

Even Feingold voted for it! Now, even he is a LOSER in my mind! So, it will HAVE to be an INDEPENDENT for me in 2008!

As for 2006, I do not think I will have the "stomach" to vote for my NJ DEM WIMPY SENATOR, and that saddens me! I will not settle for the "Worst of 2 Evils", however!

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