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Inside Donnie Rumsfeld's Orwellian Pentagon
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In 1928, Justice Louis Brandeis wrote that the real threat to American freedom was not from an outside assault, but from the devious manipulations of our own misguided leaders. "The greatest dangers to liberty," he observed, "lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning, but without understanding."
Nearly 80 years after Brandeis's warning, the zealots have been brought in from the far-right fringe on the golden chariot of George W, and they've shown that they have no understanding of the essence of America, which includes our hard-won liberties, our rule of law and our system of checked-and-balanced governmental power.
But these men of zeal -- Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. -- are hardly well-meaning. They are deliberately and determinedly striving to impose the AntiAmerica on our own land -- an unrecognizable America of supreme executive authority, constant surveillance of the citizenry, secret government and suppression of dissent. Their chief weapon is fear. They feverishly wave the bloody flag of 9/11, shouting that the citizenry must surrender liberties or be attacked again by The Madmen, that we mustn't question authority for this only encourages The Madmen, that all government operations must be cloaked in a dark veil of secrecy to keep The Madmen off balance, and that executive and police power must drastically expand to protect us from The Madmen.
While claiming that they must "secure" America for a post-9/11 world, the BushCheney zealots are taking us back to a pre-1776 world. They have been astonishingly successful in a remarkably short time, insidiously taking autocratic step after step, which a compliant Congress and the establishment media have mostly missed, ignored, minimalized or applauded. These two "institutions of vigilance" have failed us. So it is up to "We The People" to assert ourselves against this dangerous rise of authoritarianism in Bush's America.
The spook society
"You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you have to concentrate on," George W said with a laugh at Washington's Gridiron dinner in 2001.
If only we'd known then that behind George's snickers, the Bushites were serious. Employing a combination of deceit, defiance, arrogance, flag-waving and secrecy, they have fooled a majority of Congress and the media into accepting the overlay of a "spook society" on our "Land of the Free." The far-reaching extent of their efforts are only now becoming clear.
Last month's installment covered Bush's secret and blatantly illegal directive for the National Security Agency to spy on citizens here at home. This clandestine four-year program of executive eavesdropping -- scooping up billions of phone calls and emails sent or received by innocent Americans -- has now been getting wide media coverage. But to focus only on this one piece is to miss the more startling reality: the quiet installation inside our country of a massive snoopervision complex, much of it initiated, funded and controlled by Donnie Rumsfeld's Orwellian Pentagon.
Since the founding of America, a central tenet of our liberty has been that the military is not to be turned on our own people. Violations of this guiding rule have occurred in the past, but rarely and only temporarily, and when it's been violated, public outcry has forced the reinstatement of the rule.
Bush & Co., however, has not only turned loose the military to spy extensively on the American people, but has also asserted the right to do so in perpetuity. Its claim is that 9/11 turned the homeland into a foreign battlefield, so the nation's historic prohibition against military surveillance of Americans is null and void. And since this war on terrorists has no end ("the long war," Rumsfeld calls it), the Bushites maintain that the Pentagon can engage in domestic spying ad infinitum.
This military intrusion into our privacy has come with a heavy dose of linguistic perversions by top officials. For example, a secret Pentagon memo from Nov. 5, 2001, has now surfaced. In it, the Army's chief intelligence officer insists that while the Pentagon cannot "collect" information on citizens who have no connection to foreign terrorists, it can "receive" such information. "Remember," he wrote with Machiavellian delight, "merely receiving information does not constitute 'collection' … [Military intelligence] may receive information from anyone, anytime."
Meanwhile, the ever-sneaky Bushites have quietly been pushing legislation that would compel the FBI and other police agencies to give information that they collect on you and me to the Pentagon, as long as the info is somehow "related" to a foreign intelligence investigation. This does not mean that, to spy on you, the snoops must have cause to think that you are in any way tied to terrorism, but only that they claim their investigation to be vaguely related to some foreign matter -- a catchall that sweeps up war protestors, for example.
The legislation has yet to pass, but intelligence watchdogs say that Bush has already implemented it by fiat -- Executive Order 13388 appears to authorize the Pentagon to access domestic intelligence files. Also, the military has already created a robust collection system of its own. A new Northern Command, established in Colorado in 2001 to monitor Americans, now employs more intelligence analysts than does the Homeland Security Department. Also, the Marines launched an operation under a 2004 executive order for the "collection, retention and dissemination of information concerning U.S. persons," noting that the corps will be "increasingly required to perform domestic missions." And, during the past five years, each of the service branches has created its own domestic snooping enterprises. As Sen. Ron Wyden complained last year, "We are deputizing the military to spy on law-abiding Americans in America. This is a huge leap without even a [public] hearing."
TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS. A nightmare right out of 1984, complete with the ominous, all-seeing name it was given, TIA was the ugly spawn of John Poindexter, the convicted master schemer behind the Iran-Contra scandal in Reagan's White House. George W and
Rummy had snuck him back into the government in 2001, ensconcing him deep inside the Pentagon, where he ran a team to develop TIA's unprecedented and voracious ability to grab every speck of private data on Americans from every public and corporate data bank. The plan was to put it all in a Pentagon supercomputer and mine it to build files on anyone the authorities might deem suspicious.
Luckily, a couple of years ago, this massive invasive madness came to light. The public howled so loudly that Congress rose up and demanded that the program be terminated, and Poindexter was forced to slink away.
But wait -- who's that guy in the shadows, and what's he doing? He's Brian Sharkey, Poindexter's close pal who was a key player in the creation of TIA. He now heads a firm that's been getting government contracts to keep pursuing TIA's shadowy projects. In an internal email to TIA's subcontractors, Sharkey gleefully announced: "Fortunately, a new sponsor has come forward that will enable us to continue much of our previous work." He added that the TIA effort would henceforth go by the cryptic code name of "Basketball."
The new "sponsor" of this hoops game is a highly classified outfit called Advanced Research and Development Activity (ARDA) that is housed inside NSA (yes, the very agency that's been running George W's illegal domestic spying program). In a February public hearing, Sen. Wyden asked Bush's director of national security and the head of the FBI a direct question: "We want to know if Mr. Poindexter's programs are going on somewhere else." We don't know, replied our nation's top two snoops. When a reporter asked an NSA spokesman whether TIA had been moved to ARDA, he clammed shut: "We can neither confirm nor deny actual or alleged projects." ARDA itself is now being moved to the national intelligence agency and given a new name: "Disruptive Technology Office." It's hard to follow all of the trick passes of "Basketball," but the bottom line is that TIA was halted in name only, having been stealthily slipped into another agency that has been moved and had its own name changed.
SALUTE YOUR BIG BROTHER. Three years ago, the Pentagon set up a new, ultrasecret agency called CIFA, for Counterintelligence Field Activity. Its initial task was to detect terrorist plots against military installations in the United States, but two years ago, a directive from the Pentagon's top ranks ordered CIFA to broaden its scope by creating and maintaining "a domestic law enforcement database." The agency's motto became "Counterintelligence to the Edge."
In May 2003, Rumsfeld's top deputy, "Howling Paul" Wolfowitz, authorized a new snooping operation code-named TALON (Threat And Local Observation Notice). It directed military officers throughout the country to collect raw information about suspicious activities by local people and to feed reports on them into
CIFA's humming computers. In its first year alone, TALON's far-flung network of military snoops fed more than 5,000 "local activity" reports into the electronic maw of CIFA.
Nearly everything about CIFA, including its budget, is kept secret, but it is known that the agency has generously spread its budgetary wealth to Pentagon contractors. Northrop Grumman, for example, received funds to develop a CIFA database dubbed "PersonSearch," and Computer Sciences Corp. got a grant for an electronic system to detect and monitor people's "abnormal activities and behaviors." You might say, OK, Hightower, but surely these fine public servants and civic-minded corporations are merely protecting us homelanders by watching known terrorist types with Arab-sounding names and Muslim affiliations. Right?
Uh-uh. Forget about merely needing to defend the rights of Arab-Americans -- the Pentagon is invading everyone's liberties. You could ask these folks:
In October 2004, the Broward County Anti-War Coalition was discovered by the ever-alert snoops to be planning a demonstration outside a military recruitment office. The group ended up in the CIFA database, even though the only crime of the 15-20 members who protested was to wave a giant sign proclaiming, "Bush Lied."
In 2004, George Main, head of the Sacramento chapter of Vietnam Veterans for Peace, had organized a small Veterans Day protest in front of a military office. Not only did he and his VVP buddies end up with their names in a TALON report, but he also got a call from his government the night before the protest, pointedly suggesting that he was a threat to national security. "It was very intimidating to have a special agent call out of the ether," George says.
About 10 peace activists who showed up outside Halliburton's Houston headquarters in June 2004 also were reported to CIFA by a TALON team. Why would Halliburton warrant coverage under a program supposedly designed to stave off attacks on military installations? Pentagon officials say that its "force protection" mission now includes its private contractors.
These intrusions into perfectly legitimate First Amendment activities are not isolated mess-ups by a few overzealous military officers. Even the Pentagon concedes that thousands of TALON reports have been filed on totally innocent, nonthreatening civilians and are retained in CIFA's computer banks.
DATA MINING. The Pentagon is hardly alone in rummaging through America's vast array of computerized records -- collecting, crosschecking, storing, analyzing and monitoring trillions of bits of our personal data, from our credit card transactions and our phone calls to every single internet search we've ever made. The Government Accountability Office reports that 52 federal agencies now operate nearly 200 of these data-mining
programs, building files on anyone that the computers and bureaucrats deem the least bit suspicious. As one privacy expert puts it, "We have lists that are having baby lists at this point. They're spawning faster than rabbits."
The irony is that this mass invasion of our privacy does nothing to make Americans safer. Internet security expert Bruce Schneier points out that these data-mining systems are "so flooded with false alarms" that they're "useless," forcing agents to waste money and time chasing after thousands of innocent people.
POLITICAL ENEMIES. Dick Nixon must be grinning in his grave, for the FBI is now reprising the abusive role it played in tracking down Tricky Dick's infamous enemies list. The FBI's own "terrorist" files show that the agency has again been spying on such nonthreats as peaceful demonstrators at the 2004 political conventions, while also maintaining a "Terrorist Watch" list that includes such groups as "Food Not Bombs," a volunteer group that serves vegetarian meals to homeless people.
Also, in 2002, the FBI's Pittsburgh office spied on a group of "terrorists" operating in a "cell" called the Thomas Merton Center for Peace and Justice. An agency memo warned that the center "holds daily leaflet distribution activities in downtown Pittsburgh." The memo notes that the Merton Center "is a left-wing organization advocating, among many political causes, pacifism."
Pacifism! Holy J. Edgar Hoover! Forget about terrorists attacks -- there are pacifists passing out leaflets in Pittsburgh!
SECRET SERVICE. Speaking of disruptive, the newly extended Patriot Act creates a new class of federal felon: the disruptor.
This chilling provision, tucked into the bill in January without a hearing or debate, authorizes the Secret Service "to charge suspects with breaching security or disruptive behavior at National Special Security Events." What is NSSE? An event where the president or other protected official "will be temporarily visiting," such as a public speech, a political rally, an inauguration ball, the Olympics, the Super Bowl or any other event designated by the Secret Service as being of "national significance."
We've seen that simply wearing an anti-Bush T-shirt or having a pro-Democrat bumper sticker is enough to get you branded a disruptor, bounced from a Bush event and thrown in jail. But this provision broadens the reach of Bush's exclusion zones, sanctions the lockdown on free speech and assembly rights, and turns what was a trespassing misdemeanor into a felony. Also, you can be considered a disruptor even if the VIP has not arrived at the NSSE or has already left. Under this provision, not only is the public official protected from "disruptors," but also the NSSE itself becomes the protectee, criminalizing free speech at public events.
UnAmerican
There are a thousand other cuts that the Bushites are making to America's Bill of Rights, the rule of law and separation of powers. Theirs has become, for example, the most secret government in our history, spending billions of tax dollars a year to classify millions of even mundane documents, issuing executive fiats to deny "We The People" access to crucial public information under right-to-know laws, and trying to make it a federal crime not only to leak internal executive information (unless, of course, the White House does the leaking), but also to receive any leaked info.
The Bushites have made unprecedented efforts to silence scientists and dissenters within government. This administration has also launched a sweeping array of "citizen watch" programs with names like Coastal Beacon, CAT Eyes and Eagle Eyes, enlisting individuals and groups to spy on neighbors and report even the most unsubstantiated gossip to authorities. The eerie slogan of these watch programs is "Be our eyes and ears so we can calm your fears."
Using its never-ending war as a bugaboo, the BushCheney regime is asserting that it is entitled to operate as a military presidency. The Madmen hate our freedoms, the Bushites screech, so in order to defeat The Madmen, our freedoms must be suspended … for as long as it takes. Not only is that grotesquely absurd, it is entirely un-American.
From The Hightower Lowdown, edited by Jim Hightower and Phillip Frazer, May 2006.
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Posted by: Sojourner on May 24, 2006 6:38 AM
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Once the list of names is published and all of 'us' can see that we are indeed being watched and recorded, the uproar will be so great that something will be done.
And if not, then the program will have showed that it is not invasive. However, if even the total number of individuals who are being tracked is revealed, some sense of the intrusiveness of the program might be evident.
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What do we do about it? How do you get the ultra-patriotic to believe it? How do you get the message to the person just living their normal life, as if nothing is going on? To the person who says..."I don't care if they spy on me because I've got nothing to hide..." How do you stop BushCheney?
You can't rant; nobody will listen. Continuing to write articles about it doesn't get the message to them, they don't read (it) and the press is on their side, at least the mass-media press. You can protest, but these events seem to go unnoticed or are shut down before the message is out. You can play 'disruptor' until their heads explode, but that would take massive grass-root organization, which seems impossible although we try, and will likely BOMB as they'll just buy more infrastructure. You could move to Canada, but I as a Canadian believe those databases contain information on me too.
Now what? If someone out there, smarter than me, can provide an answer, please do.
I believe impeachment is possible, on 9-11 facts. It is now proven beyond a doubt that 9-11 was known beforehand, and allowed to happen so a police-state could be implemented with support (from the masses). Would this really stop them? Bush is just the front-man...
Now what?
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Posted by: gramps on May 24, 2006 8:12 AM
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When one considers that Congress and the Supreme Court are on the corporation payroll as well as the administration. The coming downfall of Bush and company could well contain a charismatic leader who will turn the trick. Remember that the corporations dominate our press, our airwaves, and a congress that signs bills crafted in congressional offices by corporation lobbyists. Control by the corp press would be the envy of Hitlers Dr. Goebels.
The F word that has been proscribed was joined by another F word, (fascism) in being politically incorrect because it lost its standing as an admired solution when Mussolini made the trains run on time. The horrific crimes committed in its name will never be forgotten nor forgiven. Now we are faced with the same phenomena but the cause is the same. . . Corporation domination of humanity.
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We ask ourselves how they could have then become a nation that supported Hitler, that could force the Jewish population to wear armbands etc… we all know the horrors (hopefully not just by watching Hollywood films).
The parallels to modern USA are striking and scary. How long before we see concentration camps (a British invention, I'm ashamed to say) for American Arabs?
"Un-Americanism?" (my god that's childish, we would laugh at someone if they tried to manipulate us with the expression 'Un-British')
Saluting the flag? (Mind you, Tony Blair is trying to import some of these methods of population control to Britain).
C'mon America, wake up and smell the Nazis.
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First of all, we could get the US media to report on this story - which has been ordered killed off by the mainstream media masters, as all evidence seems to show. If this was Clinton, we'd be reading daily 'tidbit' stories, all designed to keep the story in the front of the American Jungian mass consciousness for months on end. The domestic surveillance story - you know editors all over the US have been receiving orders to kill the story for the past few days, at least, just like they were receiving orders to give Clinton the daily treatment.
Secondly, you could get our fearful Congress members to understand that they are being turned into a bunch of powerless rubber stamp aristocrats - both Republcans and Democrats. You could let judges know that their powers are being transferred over to the executive branch and that their oversight role is being drastically reduced. The US media calls this "moving towards a unitary executive" while the rest of the world calls it a dictatorial coup and the dismantling of US democracy.
Third, don't allow the fear factor to get inside your head. Yes, this government is scary in that old totalitarian sense; eerily reminescent of a jovial smiling Stalin or an enraged screaming Hitler - but at least we know what's going on - been here before. Also, don't become like the bastards, with their sense of missonary zeal and their absolute certainty of moral and intellectual superiority. Also, raise as much hell as humanely possible.
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Posted by: nbrown on May 24, 2006 9:35 AM
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But isn't Rusfeld one scary looking dude? He's like the emperor from Star Wars, in a way.
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When you work to oust Rumsfeld, Bushco, et al., all you are doing is GETTING THEM OUT! I got news for you--THAT AINT GONNA MUCH!
The dems just give LIP SERVICE to the real bread and butter issues--JUST LIKE THE PSEUDOLEFT MEDIA ORGANS DO! Just like Alternet, PBS, NPR, Mother Jones, DU, etc, just give lip service.
If all your own is just given over to the goal of ousting one group of evil powermad quasi-sociopaths, and then replacing them with another group of very similar evil powermad quasi-sociopaths, what the heck have you really accomplished? Nothing but further disillusion the electorate....
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But a more thorough digging into the history of this nation- beneath all the mythology and cover stories and sugar-coated simplifications... and you'll see that what's going on now is what has been going on under the surface from the very beginning.
In a way this is just the most honest government to come along. Honest because they are putting the big lies right out in the open without even trying to cover them up. Directly, unapologetically channeling the evil that has been propping up our peaceful and prosperous society all along.
(Two words: nuclear fuckin' weapons, OK?)
Speaking of evil- just look at that picture of Rumsfeld. No, keep looking. Look closer. Look into his eyessssssss...
I'm serious, the man gets more evil-looking every day- his job is obviously having an effect on him. His only real competition for master of darkness is Darth Ratzinger.
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Your produce and goods will be the next thing to disappear as other countries will move against you and stop shipping things you value or have grown used to seeing on your shelves. What corporations don't see is that much of their actions are selfish and self-defeating and self-destructive.
It is better when you think of the whole as one planet, one people and create systems to that effect.
We will soon end up being like the third world countries we govern.
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more than any U.S. President in my 42 years on earth.
It seems the utilization of information surveillance by the
U.S. government are bringing on an East German style of
government where fully a third of the population was
"employeed" by the government to spy on others-anyone-
for anything.
The use of fear (the majority form of propaganda) to control
the U.S. people makes me sad, and I feel for progressives caught in the "web" of information ensnarement.
As someone who works with technology, I feel that there
has been a lockstep corellation between loss of freedoms
and the rise of "information technology"-which I believe is
nothing but spinspeak for techno-facism.
I do not believe government really needs to babysit me;
and personally I am quite able to provide my own security;
as I believe this is not the governments (any government)
job-nor do I believe they have the competency to do so.
the law of diminishing return for blah-blah-blah lies and
fear factor from Bush; has certainly raised the ire of some of
the other 5.5 billion people in this world who aren't U.S. citizens!
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Russia and Iran Oil Burse - Getting even with the US.
As a US citizen and most likely to suffer from a drop in the American dollar, I cannot urge Russia and Iran to start selling oil in Euros and Rubles as soon as possible.
It is an unfortunate fact of life that the US Government is so completely out of control in the world today. The current US Administration is so belligerent and disrespectful to other countries of the world that I feel a complete collapse of its economic system would be the jolt needed to begin the changes necessary to fix this country's broken democracy.
For months, I believed there was an energy crises, which was causing the current US Administration to behave so irrationally. First they destroy the World Trade Center Towers and attack the Pentagon to blame foreign terrorists to justify an attack, invasion, and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now Iran is in the cross hairs. To be sure the world is now at Peak Oil and oil reserves are now in decline. But there is no energy crises.
Many hard working entrepreneurial Americans have invented amazing devices to split water into hydrogen gas and oxygen gas for combustion in an internal combustion engine. Their excitement to save their country from an energy crises has resulted in either their deaths or being paid to bury their devices. It's a crime beyond contempt.
Why?
Because the oil companies control the White house and US government policy. US government policy, the US military, and the public US treasury are at the disposal of the US oil companies to secure more oil rich areas of the world, which they can exploit for their personal gain.
The US government does not work for its people. Is not responsible to the American people. Does not care about the American people nor other people of the world.
The US Government only cares about ensuring that its benefactors the US oil companies continue to have a product to sell to earn billions of dollars, irregardless of the damage this product does to the environment.
(co2 gas and greenhouse warming)
This is the price of a capitalistic system, which is now severely broken. When a government does not have the best interests of its people and the world at heart it is time for that government to end its reign of destructive power.
There is no war on foreign terror in the United States, there never was, there is only a war on domestic terror. This war is currently being fought by the American people against their own federal government, to have it removed so a more responsible government body can be put into place.
A new US government body, which will embrace the welfare of the people and those of the world. A government that will immediately embrace the new water fuel technology and stop warring in the Middle East.
Democracy in the United States is only an illusion. There is no democracy at the top, only players manipulated by the oil companies to do their bidding.
The sooner the financial collapse of the United States occurs the better it will be for everyone concerned. The current US Administration is as much a danger to its own people as it is to the rest of the world, especially Iran.
I wish good luck to Russia and Iran on their new oil burses. I urge all countries of the world to trade in Euros and Rubles abandoning the American dollar.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is the current state of affairs in the United States government be it republican or democratic. Congress is likewise corrupted by oil money.
Why?
It's the way this capitalistic system works. And now it's broken beyond repair.
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You'd better not dissent, I'm telling you why,
The Bush Gestapo's coming to town!
They're making a list, checking it twice,
NeonaziKKKons are not very nice,
The Bush Gestapo's coming to town!
They watch you when you're sleeping,
They spy on you when you're awake,
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So be loyal, for goodness' sake!
You'd better watch out, utter a "Heil Bush" cry,
You's better not dissent, I'm telling you why,
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“YOU…HAVE NEGLECTED THE WEIGHTY MATTERS
OF THE LAW; JUSTICE AND MERCY AND FAITH.”
MATTHEW 23:23
“IT CAN PROBABLY BE SHOWN BY FACTS AND FIGURES THAT
THERE IS NO DISTINCTLY NATIVE AMERICAN CRIMINAL CLASS EXCEPT CONGRESS.” MARK TWAIN
AS A CHRISTIAN-AMERICAN, A VOTING CONSTITUENT, A VETERAN, AND A DESCENDANT OF TEJANOS THAT SETTLED OUR BELOVED STATE OVER 300 YEARS AGO, I FEEL COMPELLED TO EXPRESS MY DISAPPOINTMENT AND ANNOYANCE IN THE ABSENCE OF LEADERSHIP AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT – LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL.
MOREOVER, THE PERCEPTION EXHBITED AND DEMONSTRATED BY THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ,TIME AND AGAIN , IS THEIR FOCUS SOLELY IN THE “ WORLD WITHIN ‘’ AND HAVE FORGOTTEN THE “WORLD
WITHOUT ‘’ – PLIGHT OF THE HOMELESS, RACIAL EQUALITY, RIGHTS OF THE UNBORN, JOBS, NATIONALL DEBT, SOCIAL SECUIRTY, PRECRIPTION DRUGS, IMMIGRATION, EDUCATION, TAX RELIEF FOR MIDDLE INCOME AMERICANS, MEDICAL INSURANCE FOR ALL AMERICANS, SCHOOL / PROPERTY TAX REFORMS, VETERANS BENEFITS - JUST TO NAME A FEW. ALTHOUGH THE INNER LIFE IS VITAL, BUT WITHOUT STRUGGLING WITH SOCIAL ISSUES . IT IS TOO LIMITED AND SOFT. IT CAN BE SAID THAT IF ONE IS DEEPLY COMMITTED TO THE INNER LIFE AND NOT TO EACH OTHER, WE TRADE OUR POWER OF UNITY TO THE EVER CHANGING POWER OF POLITICS.
FURTHER, OUR ELECTED LEADERS – PRESIDENT BUSH, GOVERNOR PERRY, CONGRESSMAN DELAY, AND SELECTED OTHERS, DO NOT HAVE A TRUE UNDERSTANDING OR EXPERIENCE OF WHAT POWER IS OR WHAT COMPRISES THIS CONCEPT. POWER REQUIRES TWO PERVASIVE COMPONENTS TO EXECUTE. AND, IT IS AN AMALGAM OF CAPABILTY AND WILL . FDR UNDERSTOOD IT AND USED IT EFECTIVELY DURING THE DEPRESSION AND WW II. SECRETARY POWELL SENSED IT DURING HIS EXPERIENCE IN VIET-NAM AND IRAQ, BUT WAS NOT ABLE TO CONVINCE THE ADMINISTRATION OTHERWISE – “IF YOU BREAK IT , YOU OWN IT…”
MOREOVER, SELECTED EXAMPLES OF THE EFFECTIVE USE OF POWER ARE MARSHALL PLAN, CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, BERLIN AIRLIFT, AND MAN ON THE MOON. THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE BOTH THE “ WILL OF THE PEOPLE“ AND THE “CAPABILITY” OF OUR TECHNOLOGY WERE EVER PRESENT. IN THE IRAQ WAR, THE CAPABILITY IS PRESENT, BUT “ FULL WILL “ OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS NOT PRESENT. SOME OF US
ON THE RIGHT OFTEN ACT AS IF LOVE IS BLIND AND UNQUESTIONING, WHEREAS THE LEFT ACT IS IF IT MUST BE GRUDGING AND RELUCTANT. I REJECT BOTH EXTREMES. SINCE I LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND THE IDEALS IT STANDS FOR, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE MAIN REASON WE ARE HAVING DIFFCULTY IN OUR RELATIONSHIPS , BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, IS BECAUSE WE ARE USING DIFFERENT AND DIVERSE MANMADE STANDARDS RESULTING IN DYNAMIC OUTCOMES.
WE CONTINUALLY USE THE SAME AND TRIED APPROACHES TO DIFFERENT ,CHANGING PROBLEMS AND EVENTS EXPECTING THE SAME RESULTS. THIS EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER DEFINITION OF INSANITY. THE ONLY STANDARD, IN MY OPINION, IN OUR CHRISTIAN NATION SHOULD BE LOVE AND RESPECT OF EACH OTHER.
IN CLOSING, I POSE AND SHARE THESE PERVASIVE QUESTIONS CONCERNING OUR AMERICAN UNCERTAINTY AS A RESULT OF THE ABSENCE OF LEADERSHIP AND AS THE MOST POWERFUL AND RICHEST NATION OF THE WORLD:
·WHY DO STILL HAVE OVER 43 MILLION AMERICANS WITHOUT MEDICAL INSURANCE ?
·WHY ARE WE GIVING OVER $ 400 BILLION OF TAX BREAKS TO CORPORATIONS RESIDING OFFSHORE?
·WHY IS THE PRESCRIPTION DRUG PROGRAM FOR RETIREES SO EXPENSIVE AND RESTRICTIVE?
·WHY DOES THE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN OUR CONGRESS MAKE MORE MONEY THAN ATHE AVERAGE AMERICAN?
·WHY CAN’T ALL AMERICANS RECEIVE THE FULL INSURANCE COVERAGE AS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS?
·WHY IS OUR NATIONAL DEBT OVER $ 8 TRILLION AND WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR ?
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But there's a detail which everyone should be aware of regarding this (and other!) reports of the evils perpetrated by President Bush and his administrators. It is: We are right to take notice and alarm at his / their actions. BUT - our only hope of getting our country through this crisis is to LEARN about what made Bush & Co. do these things.
If we understand the beast, we know better what to do about him. To that end, I urge anyone reading this to get a copy of Eric Hoffer's 1951 book, "The True Believer - Thoughts on the nature of mass movements" (usually just referred to as "The True Believer."
It's ISBN is 0-06-050591-5, published by Perennial, an "imprint" of Harper Collins Publishers, last edition date 2002.
I bought my (2nd) copy from Amazon.com - after remembering it from a first reading around 1960. I'm sure there're are many out-of-print sources still carrying this "classic" which had remained on-target for 55 years.
Hoffer is that good at defining the types of person who is drawn to mass movements (like political parties and religions) and at defining the kinds of mass movements. Of course, not all mass movements are 'bad' and some organizations which employ mass movement psychology are essential (like military services). You will recognize today on every other page. You may also recognize parts of yourself in this book.
Ultimately, it is the ability to recognize and understand "true believers" (ideologues) and the movements they create and join which also keeps ourselves free of the temptation to panic and form one of our own. That would be going the way of the French Revolution which Robespierre said became a "tyranny of freedom" and was drowned in blood.
That's not to say we shouldn't answer the call we know has come. It only means we must, absolutely must do it right, get it right.
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And if not, then the program will have showed that it is not invasive. However, if even the total number of individuals who are being tracked is revealed, some sense of the intrusiveness of the program might be evident.
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When one considers that Congress and the Supreme Court are on the corporation payroll as well as the administration. The coming downfall of Bush and company could well contain a charismatic leader who will turn the trick. Remember that the corporations dominate our press, our airwaves, and a congress that signs bills crafted in congressional offices by corporation lobbyists. Control by the corp press would be the envy of Hitlers Dr. Goebels.
The F word that has been proscribed was joined by another F word, (fascism) in being politically incorrect because it lost its standing as an admired solution when Mussolini made the trains run on time. The horrific crimes committed in its name will never be forgotten nor forgiven. Now we are faced with the same phenomena but the cause is the same. . . Corporation domination of humanity.
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We ask ourselves how they could have then become a nation that supported Hitler, that could force the Jewish population to wear armbands etc… we all know the horrors (hopefully not just by watching Hollywood films).
The parallels to modern USA are striking and scary. How long before we see concentration camps (a British invention, I'm ashamed to say) for American Arabs?
"Un-Americanism?" (my god that's childish, we would laugh at someone if they tried to manipulate us with the expression 'Un-British')
Saluting the flag? (Mind you, Tony Blair is trying to import some of these methods of population control to Britain).
C'mon America, wake up and smell the Nazis.
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First of all, we could get the US media to report on this story - which has been ordered killed off by the mainstream media masters, as all evidence seems to show. If this was Clinton, we'd be reading daily 'tidbit' stories, all designed to keep the story in the front of the American Jungian mass consciousness for months on end. The domestic surveillance story - you know editors all over the US have been receiving orders to kill the story for the past few days, at least, just like they were receiving orders to give Clinton the daily treatment.
Secondly, you could get our fearful Congress members to understand that they are being turned into a bunch of powerless rubber stamp aristocrats - both Republcans and Democrats. You could let judges know that their powers are being transferred over to the executive branch and that their oversight role is being drastically reduced. The US media calls this "moving towards a unitary executive" while the rest of the world calls it a dictatorial coup and the dismantling of US democracy.
Third, don't allow the fear factor to get inside your head. Yes, this government is scary in that old totalitarian sense; eerily reminescent of a jovial smiling Stalin or an enraged screaming Hitler - but at least we know what's going on - been here before. Also, don't become like the bastards, with their sense of missonary zeal and their absolute certainty of moral and intellectual superiority. Also, raise as much hell as humanely possible.
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But isn't Rusfeld one scary looking dude? He's like the emperor from Star Wars, in a way.
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When you work to oust Rumsfeld, Bushco, et al., all you are doing is GETTING THEM OUT! I got news for you--THAT AINT GONNA MUCH!
The dems just give LIP SERVICE to the real bread and butter issues--JUST LIKE THE PSEUDOLEFT MEDIA ORGANS DO! Just like Alternet, PBS, NPR, Mother Jones, DU, etc, just give lip service.
If all your own is just given over to the goal of ousting one group of evil powermad quasi-sociopaths, and then replacing them with another group of very similar evil powermad quasi-sociopaths, what the heck have you really accomplished? Nothing but further disillusion the electorate....
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But a more thorough digging into the history of this nation- beneath all the mythology and cover stories and sugar-coated simplifications... and you'll see that what's going on now is what has been going on under the surface from the very beginning.
In a way this is just the most honest government to come along. Honest because they are putting the big lies right out in the open without even trying to cover them up. Directly, unapologetically channeling the evil that has been propping up our peaceful and prosperous society all along.
(Two words: nuclear fuckin' weapons, OK?)
Speaking of evil- just look at that picture of Rumsfeld. No, keep looking. Look closer. Look into his eyessssssss...
I'm serious, the man gets more evil-looking every day- his job is obviously having an effect on him. His only real competition for master of darkness is Darth Ratzinger.
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Your produce and goods will be the next thing to disappear as other countries will move against you and stop shipping things you value or have grown used to seeing on your shelves. What corporations don't see is that much of their actions are selfish and self-defeating and self-destructive.
It is better when you think of the whole as one planet, one people and create systems to that effect.
We will soon end up being like the third world countries we govern.
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more than any U.S. President in my 42 years on earth.
It seems the utilization of information surveillance by the
U.S. government are bringing on an East German style of
government where fully a third of the population was
"employeed" by the government to spy on others-anyone-
for anything.
The use of fear (the majority form of propaganda) to control
the U.S. people makes me sad, and I feel for progressives caught in the "web" of information ensnarement.
As someone who works with technology, I feel that there
has been a lockstep corellation between loss of freedoms
and the rise of "information technology"-which I believe is
nothing but spinspeak for techno-facism.
I do not believe government really needs to babysit me;
and personally I am quite able to provide my own security;
as I believe this is not the governments (any government)
job-nor do I believe they have the competency to do so.
the law of diminishing return for blah-blah-blah lies and
fear factor from Bush; has certainly raised the ire of some of
the other 5.5 billion people in this world who aren't U.S. citizens!
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Russia and Iran Oil Burse - Getting even with the US.
As a US citizen and most likely to suffer from a drop in the American dollar, I cannot urge Russia and Iran to start selling oil in Euros and Rubles as soon as possible.
It is an unfortunate fact of life that the US Government is so completely out of control in the world today. The current US Administration is so belligerent and disrespectful to other countries of the world that I feel a complete collapse of its economic system would be the jolt needed to begin the changes necessary to fix this country's broken democracy.
For months, I believed there was an energy crises, which was causing the current US Administration to behave so irrationally. First they destroy the World Trade Center Towers and attack the Pentagon to blame foreign terrorists to justify an attack, invasion, and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now Iran is in the cross hairs. To be sure the world is now at Peak Oil and oil reserves are now in decline. But there is no energy crises.
Many hard working entrepreneurial Americans have invented amazing devices to split water into hydrogen gas and oxygen gas for combustion in an internal combustion engine. Their excitement to save their country from an energy crises has resulted in either their deaths or being paid to bury their devices. It's a crime beyond contempt.
Why?
Because the oil companies control the White house and US government policy. US government policy, the US military, and the public US treasury are at the disposal of the US oil companies to secure more oil rich areas of the world, which they can exploit for their personal gain.
The US government does not work for its people. Is not responsible to the American people. Does not care about the American people nor other people of the world.
The US Government only cares about ensuring that its benefactors the US oil companies continue to have a product to sell to earn billions of dollars, irregardless of the damage this product does to the environment.
(co2 gas and greenhouse warming)
This is the price of a capitalistic system, which is now severely broken. When a government does not have the best interests of its people and the world at heart it is time for that government to end its reign of destructive power.
There is no war on foreign terror in the United States, there never was, there is only a war on domestic terror. This war is currently being fought by the American people against their own federal government, to have it removed so a more responsible government body can be put into place.
A new US government body, which will embrace the welfare of the people and those of the world. A government that will immediately embrace the new water fuel technology and stop warring in the Middle East.
Democracy in the United States is only an illusion. There is no democracy at the top, only players manipulated by the oil companies to do their bidding.
The sooner the financial collapse of the United States occurs the better it will be for everyone concerned. The current US Administration is as much a danger to its own people as it is to the rest of the world, especially Iran.
I wish good luck to Russia and Iran on their new oil burses. I urge all countries of the world to trade in Euros and Rubles abandoning the American dollar.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is the current state of affairs in the United States government be it republican or democratic. Congress is likewise corrupted by oil money.
Why?
It's the way this capitalistic system works. And now it's broken beyond repair.
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You'd better not dissent, I'm telling you why,
The Bush Gestapo's coming to town!
They're making a list, checking it twice,
NeonaziKKKons are not very nice,
The Bush Gestapo's coming to town!
They watch you when you're sleeping,
They spy on you when you're awake,
They know if you've been loyal to The Chimp or not,
So be loyal, for goodness' sake!
You'd better watch out, utter a "Heil Bush" cry,
You's better not dissent, I'm telling you why,
The Bush Gestapo's coming to town!
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“YOU…HAVE NEGLECTED THE WEIGHTY MATTERS
OF THE LAW; JUSTICE AND MERCY AND FAITH.”
MATTHEW 23:23
“IT CAN PROBABLY BE SHOWN BY FACTS AND FIGURES THAT
THERE IS NO DISTINCTLY NATIVE AMERICAN CRIMINAL CLASS EXCEPT CONGRESS.” MARK TWAIN
AS A CHRISTIAN-AMERICAN, A VOTING CONSTITUENT, A VETERAN, AND A DESCENDANT OF TEJANOS THAT SETTLED OUR BELOVED STATE OVER 300 YEARS AGO, I FEEL COMPELLED TO EXPRESS MY DISAPPOINTMENT AND ANNOYANCE IN THE ABSENCE OF LEADERSHIP AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT – LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL.
MOREOVER, THE PERCEPTION EXHBITED AND DEMONSTRATED BY THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ,TIME AND AGAIN , IS THEIR FOCUS SOLELY IN THE “ WORLD WITHIN ‘’ AND HAVE FORGOTTEN THE “WORLD
WITHOUT ‘’ – PLIGHT OF THE HOMELESS, RACIAL EQUALITY, RIGHTS OF THE UNBORN, JOBS, NATIONALL DEBT, SOCIAL SECUIRTY, PRECRIPTION DRUGS, IMMIGRATION, EDUCATION, TAX RELIEF FOR MIDDLE INCOME AMERICANS, MEDICAL INSURANCE FOR ALL AMERICANS, SCHOOL / PROPERTY TAX REFORMS, VETERANS BENEFITS - JUST TO NAME A FEW. ALTHOUGH THE INNER LIFE IS VITAL, BUT WITHOUT STRUGGLING WITH SOCIAL ISSUES . IT IS TOO LIMITED AND SOFT. IT CAN BE SAID THAT IF ONE IS DEEPLY COMMITTED TO THE INNER LIFE AND NOT TO EACH OTHER, WE TRADE OUR POWER OF UNITY TO THE EVER CHANGING POWER OF POLITICS.
FURTHER, OUR ELECTED LEADERS – PRESIDENT BUSH, GOVERNOR PERRY, CONGRESSMAN DELAY, AND SELECTED OTHERS, DO NOT HAVE A TRUE UNDERSTANDING OR EXPERIENCE OF WHAT POWER IS OR WHAT COMPRISES THIS CONCEPT. POWER REQUIRES TWO PERVASIVE COMPONENTS TO EXECUTE. AND, IT IS AN AMALGAM OF CAPABILTY AND WILL . FDR UNDERSTOOD IT AND USED IT EFECTIVELY DURING THE DEPRESSION AND WW II. SECRETARY POWELL SENSED IT DURING HIS EXPERIENCE IN VIET-NAM AND IRAQ, BUT WAS NOT ABLE TO CONVINCE THE ADMINISTRATION OTHERWISE – “IF YOU BREAK IT , YOU OWN IT…”
MOREOVER, SELECTED EXAMPLES OF THE EFFECTIVE USE OF POWER ARE MARSHALL PLAN, CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, BERLIN AIRLIFT, AND MAN ON THE MOON. THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE BOTH THE “ WILL OF THE PEOPLE“ AND THE “CAPABILITY” OF OUR TECHNOLOGY WERE EVER PRESENT. IN THE IRAQ WAR, THE CAPABILITY IS PRESENT, BUT “ FULL WILL “ OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS NOT PRESENT. SOME OF US
ON THE RIGHT OFTEN ACT AS IF LOVE IS BLIND AND UNQUESTIONING, WHEREAS THE LEFT ACT IS IF IT MUST BE GRUDGING AND RELUCTANT. I REJECT BOTH EXTREMES. SINCE I LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND THE IDEALS IT STANDS FOR, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE MAIN REASON WE ARE HAVING DIFFCULTY IN OUR RELATIONSHIPS , BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, IS BECAUSE WE ARE USING DIFFERENT AND DIVERSE MANMADE STANDARDS RESULTING IN DYNAMIC OUTCOMES.
WE CONTINUALLY USE THE SAME AND TRIED APPROACHES TO DIFFERENT ,CHANGING PROBLEMS AND EVENTS EXPECTING THE SAME RESULTS. THIS EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER DEFINITION OF INSANITY. THE ONLY STANDARD, IN MY OPINION, IN OUR CHRISTIAN NATION SHOULD BE LOVE AND RESPECT OF EACH OTHER.
IN CLOSING, I POSE AND SHARE THESE PERVASIVE QUESTIONS CONCERNING OUR AMERICAN UNCERTAINTY AS A RESULT OF THE ABSENCE OF LEADERSHIP AND AS THE MOST POWERFUL AND RICHEST NATION OF THE WORLD:
·WHY DO STILL HAVE OVER 43 MILLION AMERICANS WITHOUT MEDICAL INSURANCE ?
·WHY ARE WE GIVING OVER $ 400 BILLION OF TAX BREAKS TO CORPORATIONS RESIDING OFFSHORE?
·WHY IS THE PRESCRIPTION DRUG PROGRAM FOR RETIREES SO EXPENSIVE AND RESTRICTIVE?
·WHY DOES THE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN OUR CONGRESS MAKE MORE MONEY THAN ATHE AVERAGE AMERICAN?
·WHY CAN’T ALL AMERICANS RECEIVE THE FULL INSURANCE COVERAGE AS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS?
·WHY IS OUR NATIONAL DEBT OVER $ 8 TRILLION AND WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR ?
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But there's a detail which everyone should be aware of regarding this (and other!) reports of the evils perpetrated by President Bush and his administrators. It is: We are right to take notice and alarm at his / their actions. BUT - our only hope of getting our country through this crisis is to LEARN about what made Bush & Co. do these things.
If we understand the beast, we know better what to do about him. To that end, I urge anyone reading this to get a copy of Eric Hoffer's 1951 book, "The True Believer - Thoughts on the nature of mass movements" (usually just referred to as "The True Believer."
It's ISBN is 0-06-050591-5, published by Perennial, an "imprint" of Harper Collins Publishers, last edition date 2002.
I bought my (2nd) copy from Amazon.com - after remembering it from a first reading around 1960. I'm sure there're are many out-of-print sources still carrying this "classic" which had remained on-target for 55 years.
Hoffer is that good at defining the types of person who is drawn to mass movements (like political parties and religions) and at defining the kinds of mass movements. Of course, not all mass movements are 'bad' and some organizations which employ mass movement psychology are essential (like military services). You will recognize today on every other page. You may also recognize parts of yourself in this book.
Ultimately, it is the ability to recognize and understand "true believers" (ideologues) and the movements they create and join which also keeps ourselves free of the temptation to panic and form one of our own. That would be going the way of the French Revolution which Robespierre said became a "tyranny of freedom" and was drowned in blood.
That's not to say we shouldn't answer the call we know has come. It only means we must, absolutely must do it right, get it right.
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VeriChip Corp., which is based in Florida and planning to offer its stock to the public soon, has been one of the most aggressive marketers of radio frequency identification chips. Company officials have touted the chips as versatile, able to be used in a variety of situations such as helping track illegal immigrants or giving doctors immediate access to patient’s medical records."
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