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Wiretapping Wouldn't Have Prevented 9/11

By Larry Beinhart, BuzzFlash. Posted May 19, 2006.


History shows that it was secrecy and incompetence that helped the hijackers get on those planes.
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The Republican senator tossed Gen. Michael Hayden a big, fat softball of a question: "Do you think that if you had this program [of wiretaps without warrants] in place before Sept. 11th you might have prevented it?"

Gen. Hayden jumped right on it. He said that yes, if he had his secret powers then that he has today, he could have stopped al Qaida's plot.

Then he said, there were two guys in San Diego …

He was referring to Nawaf al Hazmi and Khalid al Mihdhar. George Bush also talks about them when he wants to justify wiretaps without warrants. The truth is that Nawaf al Hazmi and Khalid al Mihdhar are the poster boys for missed opportunities. If the NSA, the CIA, the FBI and the White House had not screwed up so royally, mostly by cherishing their secrets, they would have had al Hasmi and al Mihdhar several times over. Here are the facts.

Both of them were in the NSA and CIA files. They'd fought in Bosnia. They'd been to Afghanistan. They had friends and relatives who were jihadists and who were in Al Qaida and they had associations with bin Laden.

In December, 1999 the NSA picked up several names in relation to an upcoming meeting in Kuala Lumpur, the capitol of Malaysia. They got al Mihdhar's full name but only al Hazmi's first name, Nawaf. They could have figured out who he was if they had checked their own database. But they didn't.

The CIA tracked al Mihdhar when he traveled from Yemen to the meeting in Kuala Lumpur, arriving on Jan. 5, 2000. The CIA had the event under surveillance. Al Mihdhar was photographed there. The team noted that some of the terrorists, including al Mihdhar and al Hazmi, flew to Bangkok on Jan. 8, where they lost track of them. Also in January, the CIA found out that al Mihdhar had a U.S. passport.

The top people in the CIA and the FBI, including its director, Louis Freeh, were briefed by the Counterterrorism Center (CTC) on the meeting.

In March, the CIA's Bangkok office reported that al Hazmi had left Thailand on Jan. 15 and flown to Los Angeles. He was accompanied by al Mihdhar, though that did not show up on the flight report. Here is what had not happened.

The CIA did not put either al Hazmi or al Mihdhar on the State Department TIPOFF watch list. So they were not picked up when they entered the United States. Al Mihdrar later left the United States and went to Yemen, because he missed his family. Then he returned to participate in the 9/11 attacks. He was not picked up leaving or returning.

The CIA did not give their names to the FBI, so they were not tracked when they entered the United States. They spent two months in Los Angeles. Then they went to San Diego. In both places they associated with radical Muslims and made radical mosques the center of their lives.

They also lived with an FBI informant. Al Hazmi got picked up for speeding in Oklahoma. His license was in his real name. When the trooper ran it, nothing came back. Remember, that at this point, he was known as a terrorist associated with Osama bin Laden, and bin Laden was known to be trying to organize an attack on the United States.

Al Hazmi and Al Mihdhar both bought their tickets over the internet using credit cards in their real names.

Then came Sept. 11, 2001, and this is what happened on that day:

Nawaf al Hazmi set off the alarms for both the first and second metal detectors and was then hand-wanded before being passed [to board the plane they were about to hijack]. …

Khalid al Mihdhar and Majed Moqed were flagged by CAPPS. The Hazmi brothers were also selected for extra scrutiny by the airline's customer service representative at the check-in counter. He did so because one of the brothers did not have photo identification nor could he understand English, and because the agent found both of the passengers to be suspicious. …

Mihdhar and Moqed placed their carry-on bags on the belt of the X-ray machine and proceeded through the first metal detector. Both set off the alarm, and they were directed to a second metal detector. Mihdhar did not trigger the alarm and was permitted through the checkpoint.

… We asked a screening expert to review the videotape of the hand-wanding, and he found the quality of the screener's work to have been "marginal at best." The screener should have "resolved" what set off the alarm; and in the case of both Moqed and Hazmi, it was clear that he did not.

-- The 9/11 Commission Final Report

These are the people that Gen. Hayden uses to justify the gigantic wiretaps-without-warrants program and the telephone data collection program.

It is an insult to our intelligence. It shows contempt, absolute contempt for the Senate and the media. It shows that he is right to have that contempt since no one called him out on it. No one said it was a ridiculous and foolish assertion, unsupported by the facts. Indeed, the facts point in the other direction.

It was secrecy that did us in. We had the information. It was incompetence that did us in. Including Gen. Hayden's own.

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Only whistleblowing could
Posted by: fifthworld on May 19, 2006 5:07 PM   
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Only those on the "inside" (of the Bush dictatorship, CIA, NORAD, etc.) and maybe on the inside of the towers too, could have prevented the demolitions and the rest of the heinous scheme.

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» RE: Only whistleblowing could Posted by: Larry Brewer
» RE: Only whistleblowing could Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: Only whistleblowing could Posted by: billfaster
» RE: Only whistleblowing could Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: Only whistleblowing could Posted by: brasilaron
» RE: Only whistleblowing could Posted by: peacefulaim
» RE: Only whistleblowing could Posted by: aussidawg
Hayden= more Bullsh*t
Posted by: aussidawg on May 19, 2006 5:58 PM   
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This has gone beyond believeable! The Bushzis are now trying to convince us that Micheal Hayden is good for the "security" of our country as the new HEAD of the CIA. Well, it's too fucking bad Hermann Goerging isn't still around to supervise Herr Hayden. Now, let's rename the air force to the areoflot force, or how about the Luftwasse Dos (gotta stick with multiculturalism). Then, the army the SS, with the Panzer Division as its sole support. The Gestapo...already there, just renamed CIA. KGB=NSA. Hell, lets combine ALL the evil regimes of the world at once! We can call the first KBR camp S-21 (in memory of Pol Pot), the second, hummmm...how 'bout the Honalulu Hilton, well the third, obviously being in Austin, how about Austwitz? Look people, this crap has to stop, and pretty damn pronto. The United States of Amerika, Release 2.1, love it or lose it!

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secrecy the enemy
Posted by: channing on May 19, 2006 8:06 PM   
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indeed, secrecy does us all in... the privacy of piracy... if you know any better, there are those in the government who would contravene every facet of intelligence such that is was no longer intelligence... indeed, the most promiscuous form of governmental enterprise is to hide and subdue all due intelligence... it is obvious to me that we entertain, as our leaders, those whose mission is to exploit the ignorance of the forgotten masses in an endeavor to empower them further into a future of fear and subjugation... an enterprise encompassing the globe for fear, or for nought... we are blind, we who adhere, and frothless, we who adore this unparalleled triumph of slave-holders...

permitting the intelligence shellgame in the name of political rectitude, we encumber all citizens to the embrace of man made conquerers, murderers, thieves... what shall we do?

our voice is the voice of the passionate, the upheaved, dislocated, disjointed and disenfranchised... our voice is the voice which teathers together the innoculous certitude of critical mass in the meaning of survival... it is us against them for now, while we yet remain under their control, 'til we take back what is rightfully ours from the beginning...

these guys are jokers for their own sake, and their own sake only... wake up! and thank you for being people of the earth, speak your voice, be heard, be counted.

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» An oxymoron... Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: An oxymoron... Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
They Could have Worn Bright Red Polyester Pantsuits..
Posted by: JFD on May 20, 2006 3:34 AM   
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And the "hijacker's" still would have boarded the "planes". Come to think of it Atta could have been Bozo The Clown and it would have been "hands-off!"
These so-called "what-if scenarios" remind me of the old Roman
foretelling practice of looking at cow's entrails.

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911 Deserves An Oscar.
Posted by: JFD on May 20, 2006 4:22 AM   
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Where's Grace Slick when you need her?
Incompetence?
How about a lot of planning. A good multi-level pyramid intel- operation that would make Anthony Robbins proud.No richard Helms...no Northwoods proud!
But then Americans are always game for the self-help drival,the movie star ending,
what about a nice "let's smash in the New Empire with a Pearl Harbor", "Let's Roll!" Bring It On!" In Marquee Letters.
written a la Dick Cheney. Credits to Project For A new American Century. And assorted Saudi Billionaire creeps, and drug traffickers! Supporting Credits.
Hark! Is it Sybil tied up in the basement? What's she saying?
Poor dear...tell the truth girl. National Secrets or a swim in the Potomac!
And then the FBI fires rabid dog O'Neil hot on the trail....let the fox get away and the hens get slayed! But it's for old glory or new glory...I'm not sure which...
Nixing imcompetent agents! And lost breif cases...
old John Boy, was given a job as Head of Security at WTC! And died on his first day...). And someone's had agood laugh,
and made some trades. Futures in Death..who would have geussed?
What about those dear old die-hard agents in Arizona? Minasotta?
They were on the ball, but on the wrong court. Somebody took the gloves off! And din't tell.
And NORAD?
What's itall about Alphie.. Not incompetence surely you jest!
Since when does NORAD take vacations?
And who authorized the "stand-down"?
Mania Cheney in his PNAC boobyhole? LSD was so much more reality based, but I digress....
It's called Alice In Wonderland. Spin, spin, spin FOXY Murdoch and valium CNN
till the public
is dizzy and the Chesire Cat proclaims, "the world will never
be the same!" Freedom is War/Peace is Weak! Trust Me! Trust Me! I would never Betray...
And the dwarves put flags on their cars and Rumsfeld saved the day!
Shock it's Awe! It's Heart's and Minds! Green Stearking Lights! NEW AMERICAN CENTURY!
And don't forget the goddam Burkas baby....That's the real reason for soccor mom America. You'd Better Believe Me.

Alas it would all be so much better and easier for if the "Cat"
had started as dictator,(come to think he said so!),
but for once in his princely life he's working for his supper, and besides he's got that down too! Hayden will tell You!
Just swallow your koolaid, get on the merry-go round, they'll
say-It's A War On Terror/ They'll Save The Day.

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Secrecy is going to get us
Posted by: Timba on May 20, 2006 4:37 AM   
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One of my favorite authors, Robert Heinlein got it right in his short story "If this goes on" I believe now retitled to "Revolt in 2100"

"Secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy ... [sic] censorship. When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything —you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

We are in the process of giving up our liberty in the name of safety, we deserve what we get, the grand experiment appears to be over!

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Little Toby
Posted by: kenhham on May 20, 2006 9:17 AM   
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"We have met the enemy and they is us." Pogo.

I am a part of a larger field of consciousness that includes every human being. All of this is "us" asking to let go of the fear that protected us when we came down out of the trees 4m years ago and now threatens to kill every one of us. I can only let it go when I learn to see myself and others with the penetrating vision of compassion and acknowledge that fear and hatred are mine. They will come knocking on my door as soon as I begin to think they aren't mine but somebody else's, be it W's or Osama's.

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Incompetent money
Posted by: Edward George on May 20, 2006 9:15 AM   
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After a long career as a project leader and hands on engineer I could describe dozens of examples where pouring money on a fear has brought out the greedy incompetants in droves. They are salesman who have only sales pitches to sell and just want to get in on the feast. They elbow aside the competent and have no interest in carefully and dispassionately defining the problem as a first step in solving it. Inevitably they fail after skimming off the cream which is their only objective. (I made a career of cleaning up after them.) This whole "War on Terrorism" is a money racket, our money, and secrecy is a great cover.

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» RE: Incompetent money Posted by: Larry Brewer
» where are you getting this from? Posted by: brasilaron
sickof sleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on May 20, 2006 12:57 PM   
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Somebody awake and paying attention in Crawford would have helped avert 9-11. Bush, looking into Putin's eyes and seeing his soul and gloating over his big tax ripoff was like Cheney, he had other priorites and couldn't be bothered to listen to Richard Clark, the voice crying in the wilderness. At the hearings Condi was whining "we didn't know they would fly planes into buildings."boo hoo They evidently didn't know destroying the US's Financial system was a top priority of bin Ladin and his cohorts. The First Stupid Ass fell neatly into the trap and went on with his drunken spending orgy, and alienating our "friends", pushing over us over the edge of bankruptcy. If Bush had been reading something besides his video games and Cheney had been reading somethig besides Halliburtons's balance sheet maybe they would have read Tom Clancey's book in which a terrorist flies a plane into the capitol killing the entire Us government except the designated stay-away or Nelson DeMilles book. His book has a terrorist who goes to a plane graveyard, buys a plane, paints it to look like AF1 with intent to fly it into the White House. Deflected at the last minute the plot is foiled. Ed McBain,s book has terrorists loading a ship with highly volatile material and sailing it to the pier closest to the WTC and blowing it up. That too was foiled. Then we have the real life example of the small plane that almost crashed into the White House when Clinton was president.

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He's My Dick And I'm The Only One Who Hits Him
Posted by: pelle_in_goal on May 20, 2006 4:01 PM   
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SENATOR CHRISTOPHER "KIT" [CARSON] BOND - REP.- MO

If I'm not mistaken he's the Senator who asked Hayden the question:

The guy may be the biggest "balloon knot" in the Senate. Still, the idiotic people of Missouri keep sending him back to the Senate because...Teddy Kennedy needs a drinking buddy!

On Election Day in 2000, Kit Bond got on local television in St. Louis to get the City to close the polls in spite of long lines at some precincts. The man was visibly intoxicated. Judging from his meandering and angry tirade, he was lucky to just to stagger out of the Board of Elections Office.

Once outside, he had to face angry protestors who'd been sent downtown to the Board for "re-verification of eligibility." [Sound familiar?] He was even luckier to make it to his limo without somebody bustin' a cap in his ass.

Under Missouri law, you can be cleared to vote legally by making a call down to the Board on Election Day and registering in your new ward. However, while St. Louis is a Democratic stronghold, the GOP gets to run the Board of Election Commissioners. It's small wonder that voters calling the Board's crank-handle phone kept getting the busy signal.

One reason turnout was high was due to the race for the other Senator from Missouri. John Ashcroft, the Republican incumbent, has seen his lead in the race dwindle down to a "pick-'em." Ashcroft you've heard of, of course. During his tenure as Governor, he cut funds for just about every social service in the state. Most state employees hadn't seen a salary increase in 8 years, either. His successor, Mel Carnahan, brought Mental Health care and other social programs into the late 20th century, and had actually "decriminalized" being indigent or homeless. That explains most of the heavy turnout in the poor neighborhoods of St. Louis. Mel had given them a lot to vote for.

One small note of interest: Governor Carnahan had been killed in a plane crash two weeks before the election. In the end, Ashcroft lost to a dead man. Well, his widow, actually. And Bush got the opportunity to "sic" his old "Skull and Bones" frat buddy on the country because of that defeat.

As to whether the NSA warrantless program would have stopped 9/11 -- consider this:

All the Feds, the CIA, and the INS had to do was get these two guys A JOB! Once hired, they would have been under CCTV surveillance, monitored for quality of their work and the amount of time they used on their PCs, their e-mails read, and even been reported by employee "snitches" currying favor with The Big Bosses. In other words, they would have been "surveillanced" just like you and me.

And the FBI in San Diego wouldn't need to get a new phone book every year.

Sadly, the real truth is more likely to be: with the NSA and the Military in command at the CIA, ALL the branches of the intelligence communities are going to be even more jealous of their turfs and more secretive than ever about their information.

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Even before 9/11, the media and the government never paid attention. It was sex opera !
Posted by: NDnative on May 21, 2006 5:07 AM   
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There were plenty of red flags and records of past criminal behavior and citations but none of these 19 hijackers were let go of. Even when there were concerns about them not taking landing lessons, no one paid attention.

But instead the focus of the fucked up media and the reckless government was on Chandra Levy's disappearance and pulling another Monica against Gary Condit. All this goosechasing, obsession, and persecution only distracted the nation, or at least enough of it, from the real concerns such as the real state of the economy and the real status of our failed neocon foreign policies.

The media and government must be torn down and rebuilt if America is to be resecued from itself as it is already disintegrating into a fallen Roman empire but at a faster rate and this time the Christian "conservatives" are stuck on the losing side unlike the Roman times !

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Could wiretaps have prevented 9-11?
Posted by: dikaiosyne on May 21, 2006 5:17 AM   
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Has anyone heard of ABLE-DANGER? Had not the Clinton administration and that legal doucebag advison Jamie Gorelick not put up legal barriers to A-D about sharing information among government agencies AND Billy Goat Clinton taken Usama Bin Laden from the Sudanese when he was offered (4 times no less) there might not have been a 9-11. Makes little sense to argue the point about wiretaps because the Clinton administration negated there usefulness.

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» you've been here before... Posted by: brasilaron
Since everyone is coining their own clever little words, here's mine
Posted by: peritonlogon on May 21, 2006 8:37 AM   
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Bushit...as in, I'm tired of all the Bushit

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» a bit late Posted by: brasilaron
BIG GAME HUNTER
Posted by: BIGGAME HUNTER on May 25, 2006 6:40 AM   
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KING GEORGE AND HIS INCOMPETENT FAGOTS ( CHENEY & ROVE ) HAVE TO CONTINUALLY REMIND BUSH THAT HIS PANTS ARE UNZIPPED!

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SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE KNEW
Posted by: shd1230 on May 26, 2006 7:50 AM   
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EVER SINCE 9/11 IT HAS BEEN ON MY MIND THAT I RECEIVED (PROBABLY ABOUT MARCHOF THAT YEAR) ON A MESSAGE BOARD I SUBSCRIBED TO, A FORWARDED MESSAGE HYSTERICALLY PROCLAIMED "THEY ARE PLANNING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD TRADE CENTER!" I DIDN'T PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO IT, ASSUMING THAT IF A PRIVATE CITIZEN KNEW IT THE GOVERNMENT SURELY WOULD BE AWARE. APPARENTLY I WAS VERY WRONG.

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SSDD
Posted by: Stonecutter on May 29, 2006 6:50 AM   
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Glenn Greenwald wrote a piece here recently about the "weakness' of the Democratic Party in relation to confirming Hayden. He ascribes their complicity in approving Hayden to "fear". I don't think so.

I don't think prominent Democrats like Clinton, Schumer, Reid, Levin, Dodd, Kennedy, Kerry and a host of others are sitting in their offices shaking in their boots about what will happen to them if they stand up and speak truth to power. The FBI will send pictures of their illicit affairs to spouses? The NSA will release telephone transcripts of drug deals? Nah.

I think these Senators, Reps and other staff players in the Congress are living in the rarified bubble of power, payoffs and alternate reality that is Washington, as far as the Congress, media, K-Street, PAC's and restaurant row is concerned. All the blogging in the universe may provide a global steam blow-off valve for the "disenfranchised", me among them, but when it bumps up against the brick wall of Washington power games, it bounces off like a jai lai ball.

Senators and Congresspersons vote this way or that way because it serves their interest to do so, not because they're swayed "in principle" by a deluge of emails or phone calls from "constituents". This fiction serves them well when they announce their positions or votes, since it feeds the myth of representative government that we were taught in grade school and watched on the Wonderful World of Disney. We all want to believe that our government works the way it did in "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" or "Seven Days in May", when the good guys struggle with the "evil-doers" in their midst and end up triumphant. Reality is, tragically, a little different.

Despite decades of bloviation about finance reform in politics, money still washes over these hacks like the Christmas Tsunami in 2004. Congressman Jefferson is just the latest example of this disgusting reality, and Hastert and his crew are so "outraged" by the evidence seizure simply because they're next. Abramoff is the proverbial tip of the iceberg. How many other lobbyists have been pulling the SSDD? Is it plausible that Abramoff is the only bad apple in this barrel? What are you smoking?

With so much money permeating their every orifice, and these people spending more time seeking money than aluminum siding salesmen, the outcome is predictable. Votes are made based on deals, all kinds of deals, either for immediate quid pro quo or some future benefit, and it usually has little if anything to do with "principle" or "the common good". These rationales are left for the movies, press conferences and picnics back home. In D.C., where the rubber meets the road, money talks, ethics walk. This is the survival guide in Congress, let alone the guide to plum committee assignments and invitations to "Meet the Press".

So, SSDD. Blogging is a great variation on auto-erotic stimulation done en masse, and the rush is sometimes terrific. But against the Washington Game, it's pissing in a hurricane. If you can't beat 'em, move to Umbria. The pasta is perfection!

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