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How the Right Stole the '60s (And Why We Should Get Them Back)

By Astra Taylor, AlterNet. Posted May 19, 2006.


Conservatives are winning the battle over how the 1960s are remembered. But their version is far from the truth.
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How the Right Stole the '60s

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It wasn't until I got to college that I heard that the 1960s had "failed" and that all the Baby Boomers went straight and sold out.

Yet such sweeping proclamations never quite rung true. Those weren't the people I knew when I was a kid: the aging organic farmers, the people living on and running a commune founded long before I was born, the self-sacrificing teachers and social workers, the lawyers who gave up a big paycheck for a good cause, or my friends' parents, who managed the local Kinko's and were anything but wealthy. Those weren't the adults I later met who sometimes struck me as more radical in their ideals and extreme in their political convictions than my college classmates. Maybe these folks weren't the vanguard of the revolution, but neither were they getting rich from selling it out. Instead, they were just regular people trying to make ends meet and live by their principles.

My family spent the '80s and '90s, long after the spirit of the '60s had supposedly been put to rest, carrying a torch for some of the inspiring qualities of that decade. Our home was marked by constant creativity, healthy suspicion of material wealth and social status, and our trust in the ultimate goodness of humanity. We called our parents by their first names as a testament to our status as equals (and often drove them crazy when we threw the injunction "question authority" back in their faces). For over a decade, we drove around in countercultural classics -- two VW vans covered in bumper stickers.

School, however, was one place they never drove us to. Instead, my siblings and I enjoyed a life of anarchic leisure and self-education. We were "unschooled," a radical branch of homeschooling that had its heyday in the 1960s (though similar educational philosophies go further back). Growing up in Georgia, my parents' commitment to raising their kids outside the mainstream definitely put us in a minority. But it was a strong one, and one we were proud to be part of. Like countless kids across North America, we were tie-dyed diaper babies.

Idealism lost

Regardless of whether we were raised in the hippie tradition, those born too late to remember the '60s firsthand have heard an awful lot about the decade, most of it bad. The period has been trivialized, commemorated and castigated ad nauseam. It's been reduced to a risible relic, a series of clichés about hippies and protesters and lost idealism.

Today we too often assume the mythic '60s to be solely the invention of sentimental liberal Baby Boomers unable, or unwilling, to let go of the past. But, more often than not, the 1960s the media portrays is a construct invented to serve corporate and conservative interests. The fact is, conservative Baby Boomers are even more fixated on the '60s than their progressive counterparts.

The spirit of the '60s, conservatives claim, has infiltrated and corrupted almost every corner of our culture, destroying America in its wake. They blame the decade for corroding family values, weakening the church, inspiring rampant drug abuse, spoiling the poor, ruining higher education, ridiculing Western civilization and emasculating white men. Over the last 40 years, reactionary forces have never ceased their assault, singling out the decade for unique and unparalleled abuse, alienating many people, especially young people, from the progressive ideals and spirit of experimentation the 1960s embodied.

For the generation that has come into political awareness against the backdrop of Sept. 11 and the war in Iraq, this has proven particularly true. The last few years have seen the '60s framed in a negative light with powerful consequences. The right is expert at circulating potent untruths about the era, like the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's 2004 smear campaign against John Kerry or the digitally edited image of Kerry sharing a podium with Jane Fonda at a 1971 antiwar rally he never attended.

These misinformation campaigns build on longer-term strategies that erase historical realities from the public memory (and, as a result, erase possibilities from the public imagination). A timely example is the mostly forgotten GI movement against the war in Vietnam, an important chapter in 1960s history uncovered in the recent documentary "Sir, No Sir!" Jerry Lembcke, a Vietnam veteran and scholar who appears briefly in the film, wrote an entire book about one of the '60s' most enduring -- and counterfeit -- images: the self-sacrificing soldier spat upon by unpatriotic protesters. Lembcke shows how the Nixon administration and the media purposefully propagated this myth in an effort to disparage the antiwar camp and drive a wedge between the military and civilian peace movements. Decades later most people, young and old, barely remember that half a million young men deserted, that grunts were refusing to fight en masse, and that soldiers published over 100 underground antiwar newspapers.

Conservative complaints

It's hard to overstate just how prominently the '60s figures on the conservative movement's cognitive map. Next to the Bible, George W. Bush's second favorite book is Myron Magnet's "The Dream and the Nightmare: the Sixties Legacy to the Underclass," which the president claims "crystallized for me the impact the failed culture of the sixties had on our values and society." In his introduction Magnet explains how Bush's "youthful fling with the culture of the sixties" gave him "firsthand knowledge of its destructiveness." Having learned the error of his ways Bush, Magnet assures us, will govern in as "un-sixties" a manner as possible, which means, among other things, cutting social services and rehabilitating good old-fashioned tradition and morality.

The reactionary right defines itself in opposition to a sensationalistic, exaggerated stereotype of the 1960s and its excesses. The basic building block of the "great backlash," to use Tom Frank's phrase, is victimhood. In this version, millions of moral Middle Americans have had their values trampled by hedonistic hippies, latte-drinking liberal elites, raving antiwar protesters and black power advocates, while hardworking blue-collar guys are laid off because of reverse discrimination. The '60s marked the beginning of America's great moral decline, the story goes, and the conservatives are here to set the country back on track.

Despite all of this, the liberationist theme of the '60s remains alluring, its appeal rooted in the American ideal of the rugged individualist. Thus, the challenge facing conservatives, and one they have risen to with flying colors, is turning people off from a certain kind of exploratory, experimental freedom we associate with the period. This is accomplished, at least in part, by demonizing the decade and its legacy, and by equating liberation with licentiousness, intemperance and indolence. The hullabaloo about rising divorce rates, rampant crime, welfare dependency, moral relativism and "values," however vaguely defined, never ceases because this method has worked astoundingly well. At least it has so far.

The irony is that "the '60s" also serves as shorthand for an array of moral values that remain forceful and have filtered into the mainstream: nonmaterial aspirations, collectivity, environmental awareness, diversity and nonviolence, to name a few. This is a heritage progressives should be proud of.

Surviving traditions

In an article published in The Nation just after the 2004 election, Barbara Erenreich wrote that part of the religious right's power stems not just from the sanctity of their beliefs, but from the fact that their institutions help people meet basic needs. In an era of diminishing social services, churches offer material assistance, becoming "an alternative welfare state, whose support rests not only on 'faith' but also on the loyalty of the grateful recipients." Progressives, she argues, should rethink their disdain for service-based outreach programs, recalling that it was once "the left that provided 'alternative services' in the form of free clinics, women's health centers, food co-ops and inner-city multi-service storefronts."

Today we often hear how '60s-era efforts to build counter-institutions went up in smoke, like so many communes collapsing under the weight of free love. But the reality is that today thousands of people carry on these traditions, furthering '60s values largely under the radar. There's the Weaver Community Housing Association in Carrboro, N.C., a nonprofit cooperative. WCHA, founded in 2002, is the brainchild of Dawn Peebles, who, in her early 20s, was living with a handful of roommates in a place she describes as a "slum house." After realizing how much money they were throwing away on rent and how much better they could run things themselves, Peebles was inspired to take action. She traveled the country visiting dozens of dweller-controlled living situations, including anarchist squats, tree sits and a Seattle feminist collective that's been around for over three decades.

Today WCHA continues to grow and now owns a total of 19 apartments on two pieces of land. Because WCHA attracts many who would probably never consider living on the stereotypical '60s commune, the residents are incredibly diverse. People young and old, black and white, politicized or not-so-much, call the coops home. As Peebles put it, "You don't have to be a card-carrying anarchist" to benefit from cheap housing.

The Common Ground Clinic in the Algiers neighborhood of New Orleans is another compelling example of the enduring relevance of endeavors strongly associated with the '60s. Growing out of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Common Ground now serves over 100 people a day. Started by three "street medics," the effort has rallied countless volunteers, including more conventional health care workers.

Taking it back

The conservative commentariat remains horrified by what they take to be the left's cultural ascension since the 1960s. Yet liberals are more inclined to lament what they see as the decade's legacy of political defeat, frustration and disappointment. By failing to appreciate what was accomplished during the '60s or defend the intentions behind those efforts, we strengthen the conservative attacks on the era.

It's important to ask who benefits from '60s bashing. And can we trust what we've been taught about the era to be accurate? Like it or not, the decade represents much more than just a sequence of historical events. In our cultural imagination, the 1960s has come to be synonymous with experimentation, idealism and commitment to social change. These are attributes we should defend proudly and refuse to ridicule, rebuke or let the right define for us.

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Astra Taylor is a writer and documentary filmmaker. Her first book, "Shadow of the Sixties," is forthcoming from the New Press in 2007.

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Conservative bias in this article? Yes!
Posted by: nbrown on May 19, 2006 12:28 AM   
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The Democratic Party has nothing in common with the "spirit of the 60s."

By framing the issue in terms of, Repugs are evil, Dems = the 60s, the author says that Dems are somehow different from the Repugs.

Has the author bothered to look at the voting records of the Defense of Marriage Act, the Iraq war, PATRIOT Act, No Child Left Behind, Department of Homeland Security, military budgets, the prison system?

If yes, the author is trying to trick readers into voting for a clone of the Repugs.

If no, why does the author have writing space in an authoritative space?

What is alternet's position on this? Does alternet back the Iraq war, PATRIOT Act, DHS, NCLB, DOMA, militarism, the prison system?

Yes or no.

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Ive seen it
Posted by: lordzombie on May 19, 2006 3:01 AM   
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I dont live in america anymore, the last time I was there I saw more than a few commercials which made a hippy the butt of jokes, and the victim of violence. one in which a sporty SUV ploughs through a group of hippies singing and playing guitars, Ive been well inspired by the people, writing, politics, and attitudes from the 60's, the protest movement, all owe a great deal to those "dirty hippies" something I think the right would just as soon have everyone forget.

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» Keep Going On Posted by: errandchild
You Had to Have Been There
Posted by: ChristopherLL on May 19, 2006 3:01 AM   
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I was there, in college and then medical school in the San Francisco Bay Area in the 60's and 70's, and it was not the hedonistic, chaotic, anything goes culture that is being portrayed. First there was a real war going on with deaths of young men in the hundreds every week, a draft that meant every young man vunlerable for miliatry service, a military/industrial institution and a society that promoted conformity and materialism with the resulting lack of relevance to the needs of human beings. Those who received the attention as demonstrators or "hippies" were usually rich kids who had the time and immaturity to act out. The majority were deeply affected by social and personal issues but behaved responsibly. The two groups who, to me, are in many ways responsible for the subsequent path of this country are those rich kids who became even better than their parents at wealth and power and those who dropped out and no longer engaged in contributing effectively to society. Home schooling negates any social interration except with primary family members and I consider this a form of dropping out. Many of us have stuck it out, contributing to society and maintaining our idealism and commitment. We will, in the end, remain as the foundation to ensure the structure may crack but will not break.

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As a person of the 60s I can understand this article
Posted by: HawkSpirit on May 19, 2006 3:09 AM   
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I would love to dropout and go live in commune with like minded people. Facing retirement in another year or so do to working a lot for low pay for the State of Texas dept of Corrections. In the 80's it was the only job I could find in three states. Hopefully Texas will live up to its pension plans and my 401K does not go belly up again. I am not sure where there is some place in the USA that is safe to live where is government cannot revoke everything I have worked so hard for.

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lying
Posted by: rsaxto on May 19, 2006 3:33 AM   
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That's the Bushies: lying about the past, lying about the present and lying about the future. And lying about almost everything else from religion to scientific reality to war and peace. Their actions are easy to determine: crimes galore. The solution is simple : IMPEACHMENTS GALORE.

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» RE: lying Posted by: Marjiro
WE HAVE TAKEN IT BACK!
Posted by: brendastarr on May 19, 2006 3:47 AM   
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But this time we are SPIRITUALLY grounded and not just idealistic and angry at the status quo.

TIKKUN's www.tikkun.org
Second Spiritual Activists Conference in DC has brought together 1,200 patriotic progressive spiritual activists who all have imagination, passion and we will not give.

The more spiritually holistic one is the more politically active one becomes.

When one WAKES UP to the fundamental truth that ALL life is sacred and interconnected and

When one WAKES UP to the fundamental truth that we are ALL in this together and must learn to share the world
we will DO SOMETHING to change reality as we now know it.


"Every movement of social change in any society has been hopeless: the beginning, the middle and the end. But, all of a sudden it just happens."-Howard Zinn

Throughout history when enough people rose up/intifada and did not give up: reality changed.

It was because of people with imagination who were able to see a world without slavery that its abolition became the new reality.

"Imagination is evidence of the Divine."


"We hope someday you will join us and the world will be as ONE."-John Lennon

http://www.wearewideawake.org

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revisionist history has never ever worked out for the writers
Posted by: concerned Canadian on May 19, 2006 3:53 AM   
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Funny thing about all this is that the conservative right , or whatever name the current power grabbers are given or use,they have done this without fear or shame and only with a sense of entitlement and ever gathering seizure of power. My question to you Americans so would someone out there please provide me with a cogent answer to the question: How did you let your country get to this state where the checks and balances only refer to how much money the government in power can grab from the people and ensure that the balance left for the people is a massive debt. How did you manage that? And would someone of the Alternet mindset also tell this Canadian neighbour of yours how you intend to get back what it's taken you fourty years to lose? It looks like it should be a case of accepting that this is being done, throwing down the gauntlet and saying: ok, if that's how it's gonna be, so be it!!! Of course there is still time to get things back on track and just count the losses as losses, fourty years or not. But, without the checks and balances working the way it needs to work, no chance guys, no chance. So is there a chance?

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» IT'S A MYSTERY TO ME Posted by: LMNOP
Some valid points to ponder
Posted by: redstarwraith on May 19, 2006 3:57 AM   
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The author does raise some interesting points although I agree wholeheartedly with the first comment; the Dems are no "party of opposition" and, moreover, were certainly were no great "party of opposition" in the 60's either. We progressives need to sever ties once and for all with the democratic party.

Another thing we have to do:
Why haven't the progressives bitch-slapped these 60's traitors who turned into right-wing fanatics (like David Horowitz) into oblivion? Why hasn't anyone just come out in public and called this guy a lying whore? It's so patently obvious that he sold out ONLY because sucking the teat of the power elite is more handsomely rewarded. . .same goes for his partner, Collier. Whore-o-witz constantly writes and carps about how all the 1960's activism was misguided, supported "the enemy", etc., etc. . .

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I remember the '60's...
Posted by: adp3d on May 19, 2006 4:00 AM   
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...as a wonderfully different age in which social upheaval was the rule rather than the exception. My progressives values stem from the age of civil rights, the Viet Nam conflict, the draft, race riots, Kent State, Nixon and Agnew, assassinations, the so-called sexual revolution, anti-establishment voices from the music and movie "industries". These are all things the Right hates so there is no wonder that they try minimize the effect on the shaping of the country today. In 1967 on the eve of my seventh grade math final exam Bobby Kennedy was shot. In 1968 the Detroit Tigers won the World Series behind Denny Mclane's 31 win season and Al Kaline and Willie Hortons bats, and the Beatles were singing "Hey Jude". These are things the Right will never be able to take away.

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» RE: I remember the '60's... Posted by: peacefulaim
Back on what track?
Posted by: churchofone on May 19, 2006 4:23 AM   
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"The '60s marked the beginning of America's great moral decline, the story goes, and the conservatives are here to set the country back on track."

The question, to me, is what track?

The idealized 1950s, where everything was run by white men, while blacks still rode the back of the bus, women wore pearls to do their dusting, died horrible deaths from backstreet abortions and gays were firmly closeted? Domestic violence was hidden and Dad came home from work every day and poured a martini while the wife waited on him and the children hung on every pronouncement? Bah... it only happened on television!

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» RE: Back on what track? Posted by: fred_53_99
» RE: Back on what track? Posted by: Annarisse
Das Sixties
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 19, 2006 5:21 AM   
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As young as I was in the 1960's (I was born in 1958) I was smart enough to be aware of the fact that the country was going through some serious changes. Because that decade didn't really begin untill Nivember 22, 1963, I always tell people that I'm old enough to remember the 1950's - or at least what America was like, for good or for ill, in the 50's.

The dirty little secret of the entire conservative/Reagan revolution is that it was a reaction to all of the positive changes that the 60's bought to the US. Reagan wasn't successful - thank God! Everything George W. Bush has done to you, the Gipper would have done to you had he had control of both houses of Congress. It wasn't untill 1994, five years after his administration mercifully ended, that the GOP was able to take control of the House and Senate. Thankfully at the time there was a moderate democrat in the White House by the name of Bill Clinton who was able to stem the tide of disaster despite the most despicable partisan attacks on any president in living memory. You remember what happened, don't you? Poor ol' Bubbah fibbed under oath about having what in reality was a harmless fling with a half-witted intern. For that minor indiscretion these hideous bastards and bitches (Hi Kay Bailey!) were almost able to forcably remove him from office.

On 20 January 2001, everyone's worst nightmare finally happened. Four five and a half years now, the republican party has been in charged of the store and look at what's happened: Our country is on the verge of a total social and economic melt-down.

Have we learned any lessons here, kiddies?

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
tomdegan@frontiernet.net

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I was there...
Posted by: tkwilson on May 19, 2006 5:25 AM   
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and I'm still here.
The sixties wasn't an isolated blip on the social scene. It had roots that go way back in US and European history; and that movement is far from dead, so lets not have a fucking funeral just yet.
Back when authority (the church mainly) was all there was, Martin Luther was nailing his 'theses' to the cathedral door.
We're still fighting authority, still nailing shit to their doors.
Authoritarianism in all its guises is a bankrupt meme.
The signers of the Magna Carta knew it.
It just takes time.
Raise your children well.
This too shall pass.

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» RE: I was there... Posted by: fred_53_99
Interesting article, but relevant?
Posted by: SufiLizard on May 19, 2006 5:26 AM   
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I think this article raises some valid points, particularly about how the "Right" has yet again distorted history to suit their needs.

But I think it's also dishonest to somehow idealize the 60's as if all of the progressive ideas originated there. The 60's counterculture grew directly out of the 50's Beat Generation and even they drew from prior generations.

This movement goes back hundreds of years. From women's sufferage to the labor movement of the early 20th century to the abolitionists of the 19th century to the very American Revolution -- a progressive movement has made steady progress.

Of course the forces on the other side have existed parallel to the progressive movement the whole time too and they have had their moments of ascendency - usually leading to disasters like the Great Depression.

Since the Right (for lack of a better defining term) has made the 60's into a symbol -- or shorthand for a set of ideals -- it makes sense to try to correct the record on their misinformation. But let's not lose sight of the big picture.

Personally I think the left would do better to remember the time when blue collar workers, farmers and preachers tended to be progressive populists. When Woody Guthrie sang about Jesus Christ as a socialist hero and farmers across the country were independent, contrary and politically active.

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Hippies
Posted by: Shakti on May 19, 2006 5:38 AM   
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I wrote a dissertation on societal health, and used Timothy Miller's excellent book 'The Hippies and American Values' (U of Tennessee Press, 1991) extensively for my chapter on the counterculture.

Hippie culture made lasting contributions to America: health food (who introduced granola and whole wheat bread to the mainstream?), organic farming, yoga, meditation, communal living (transmuting into co-housing), homebirth/midwifery, folk medicine and a very healthy impulse to explore "the perennial philosophy" in the form of American versions of Buddhist, Zen, and Vedic traditions. (Some of this can be found in my 1998 book 'Healing the Social Body' (Garland Publishing).

This doesn't even touch on the hippies' contributions to popular music, racial integration, the environmental movement and pacifism.

The hippies unquestionably were slandered by the MSM, images of hedonistic, tripping, mud-covered revelers at Woodstock totally eclipsing the lasting contributions made by the counterculture.

Thank God for the hippies. Their legacy is what makes the U.S. tolerable to live in today.

Long live the counterculture!

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The view from a gen X'er
Posted by: Jasonix on May 19, 2006 5:50 AM   
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I love it when baby boomers complain about being called to task for being either selfish, immature, greedy, licentious hippies (their youth) or rabid religious fundamentalists (their middle age). Why on earth would those of us in our 30s or younger complain? Let's see...a baby boomer could expect to raise a family and own a house on just one income...their youth was marked by a rising standard of living and increasing egalitarianism in society...they were optimistic about the role politics and social change could play in making life better...technology made life better all the time...young people had free love. What's my life like? Two parents working three jobs between them sliding deeper into debt all the time...life is getting worse while power and aggression are the rule of the day...all of society's institutions, especially government, business, and the churches, have failed miserably...the planet itself rebels against us...most folks have an STD (HPV at the very least).

So Baby Boomers lived the American Dream, while the rest of us are poor, oppressed, disillusioned, diseased, and waiting for the planet to finally get rid of us. To make matters worse, most baby boomers managed to get their cheap houses and get through most of their careers before the crap hit the fan, so they think that we're lazy whiners! Why on earth are we so bitter?

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Posted by: nemo on May 19, 2006 5:52 AM   
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What the author doesn't go into is the enormous effect the teachings of Leo Strauss had on the budding NeoCons. Strauss distrusted any challenges to authority, such as exemplified by the 1960's, and specifically used that decade as a example of what he believed were 'negative' social forces at work. The NeoCons have taken his lesson to heart, and castigate anything that gives the impression that the 1960's were a time of societal progression. And since Strauss distrusted modern democratic processes and felt that lying to the public was justifiable, then should we be surprised if they attempt a little 'revisionist history'?

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Learn from Thomas Frank and David Sirota
Posted by: maxpayne on May 19, 2006 6:02 AM   
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www.tcfrank.com and www.davidsirota.com are perfect places to look to start taking back what the cons stole from us. If it can work in MT and KS, I don't see what's to lose by progressives being themselves rather than trying to "appease" the "right".

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bentfiend
Posted by: Earthie on May 19, 2006 6:05 AM   
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Astra got a lot of it right, which is quite commendable for someone who did not directly experience the 60's, but "nbrown" is correct in assessing the Democrats as no reliable friend of progressive thought (though far more of it exists there than in the Republicans).

The murders of Jack Kenendy, Malcom X, Medgar Evers and countless other less known people (viet Namese & GI's included), somehow (probably through rage as much as anything) empowered my generation to act outside the defined borders of social thought and behavior. We nearly took over, but not quite.

LBJ (who in retrospect is far better than in real time) was run out of office over his horrible mismanagement of the Viet Nam debacle and the murky suspicion that he had something to do with Kennedy's death. His "War on Poverty" and civil rights achievements were underappreciated because of the lapse in time required for their effect to be felt.

Several progressive Democrats stepped to the fore, most notably Eugene McCarthy (still one of the most decent American political figures) and somewhat later (and less progressive), Robert Kennedy. Just as Kennedy seized the momentum for the Democratic nomination in 1968, he was also murdered. McCarthy's march, having been stifled by Kennedy, never fully recovered and the Dems, in an extremely corrupt, conservative and contoversial convention, nominated Hubert Humphrey. A decent enough old hack, but certainly lacking charisma and any connection to the progressive ideals of the movements of change in America.

The Republicans recycled Dick Nixon and through a false promise of a "secret plan" to end the war and the deep divisions in the opposition, managed to win the Presidency in the '68 election. It was a devastating conclusion to a decade that had brought so much and promised so much more.

In the mid-70's, after a fair amount of study on the topic, I arrived at the theory that the same people who were responsible for returning Nixon to the White House (as President this time) were also involved in Jack Kennedy's death. (Delve into it, see if it doesn't make sense to you.)

But, conspiracy theory aside, look at who worked in or was affiliated with the Nixon Administration in the 70'. Many were temporarily disgraced for various nefarious deeds, but never jailed or convicted and permanently run out of politics, mostly due to strategic pardons and the misplaced compassions of prosecutors. And they have returned with a vengeance in the current administration. They know they can't govern, nor do they intend to, and they know they'll once again be driven out, and they could care less. While they're in power they are brazenly stealing everything they can get their bloody hands on and ammassing a fortune that will sustain them and theirs for generations to come.

Hey! Lookout, there's an Arab sneaking up on you, or is it a Mexican? It's hard to tell them apart, but go ahead and shoot, they both want to steal your lawn, rape your Bible and and get your 401K on drugs!

(that was a parody) So, vote these guys out of office NOW! Impeach, prosecute and jail as many as we can. Work on ending this insane war. Promote alternative energies, protect the environment, love your neighbor and get high (even if you have to meditate to do it).

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The day progressives become Schweitzer/Freudenthal Democrats and visit the Dakotas
Posted by: SDres11 on May 19, 2006 6:18 AM   
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is the day progressives and Democrats will actually start winning. Until then, it's losing business as usual !

Remember, when progressives/Democrats write off one too many states like they've done for the past few decades, tyranny through divide-and-conquer not only thrives but reaches new heights.

If Kerry and other Democrats hadn't written off South Dakota, the state would not have been such a FUCKING laughing stock by now like Kansas was back in the 1990s.

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They didn't sell out because....
Posted by: cmaukonen on May 19, 2006 6:35 AM   
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they never were there. A large portion of the people I met
during the 60s who marched, chanted etc. were, as Frank
Zappa would say, "Phony Hippies". They were there only
because it was "Hip" to do so.

Sure there were a few who really did believe and lived their
ideals. But they were darn few. The rest baught their ideals
at the leather shop along with thir clothes.

After the war, the leather went into the trash along with their ideals.

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True Hippies Put "The Hippie" To Rest
Posted by: ZPaul on May 19, 2006 6:59 AM   
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I don´t know if anybody remembers the symbolic funeral celebrated for "The Hippie" at the beginning of the 70s in San Francisco. The hip knew that those devoid of understanding had already begun to twist the word "hippie", "60s", etc. to their own ends. In one of Allen Ginsberg´s last interviews, he was asked what was hip nowadays, and he answered simply: "not being `hip´"

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YAWN...
Posted by: chuckville on May 19, 2006 7:06 AM   
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...whatever. Baby Boomers are the most spoiled, self-indulgent, self-obsessed, narcissistic, materialistic and consuming generation the world has ever known. It never ceases to amaze me the lengths they go to rationalize their gluttony, by pointing to a brief period long ago when they held the youthful idealism all humans posses, and then a smattering of people who held true to revolutionary beliefs. Blah blah blah...

Here's to me the perfect symbol of "the spirit of the Sixties". Back in early '05 I was in San Rafael, Marin County visiting my friend Byron Belitsos and we went to a lecture by Catherine Austin Fitts, which Byron organized, on "alternative investing" in preparation for the great looming economic crash of Peak Oil. If only the writing staff of The Simpsons had been there. The room was filled with these so-called "ex-hippies" and former "Marxist revolutionaries" who arrived in BMWs, were all wearing (I swear) Birkenstocks and wool, smelled like lavender, and whined and wailed and gnashed their teeth about "their 401ks" and their "retirement portfolios" and their "real estate values".

So, go ahead and laud the merits of the cool Hippie couple who never sold out, and now work a menial job to support their totally non-Hippie daughter. SOund familiar? It's because it was a staple cliche plot point of most '80s teen films. Go ahead, try to convince yourself that you haven't totally given this world over to the people with the green stuff, and abdicated responsibility to a whole nation of crooks masquerading as politicians and big business.

Anyway, thanks Boomers. We're all so happy we get to stick around and clean up the mess you made.

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The 60s were great in Quebec, at least
Posted by: secretchief on May 19, 2006 7:25 AM   
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The Quiet Revolution happened in the sixties in Quebec. It involved freeing the people from the tight control of religion, and actually profiting from our natural resources instead of selling them for 5 cents a ton to our industrious neighbors and buying cars back for $5 000 a ton.

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I was there too and it's still here
Posted by: cityofangelslady on May 19, 2006 7:29 AM   
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The original writer made a good point. The Vietnam Veterans Against the War were a major voice in the antiwar movement.

Today the sixties and seventies have been compressed. It has taken much less time to get the antiwar message out with the Iraq War thanks to people taking control of communications through the Internet, a major-major revolution that was predicted by Timothy Leary by the way.

As a Peace & Freedom party activist in the '60s I am happy to see how fast the message against this war got to people.

kay

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Let's resurrect the sixties
Posted by: lpericol on May 19, 2006 7:36 AM   
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Let's show those lying conservatives for what they are. Put a psychedelic flower power symbol on your car or a peace sign or start wearing tie-dyed t-shirts to rallies and protest marches. As far as I'm concerned, the ideals of the sixties live! Let's not let these lying revisionists destroy the truth.

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Liberating the 60s
Posted by: red maple on May 19, 2006 7:57 AM   
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Six points about the 60s:

1. The 60s were not all about the USA - in fact, some of the most important and enduring political work was done in places as diverse as Prague, Paris, London (including the peace movement exemplified by the work of E. P. Thompson) and Latin America;

2. The 60s were not about "lifestyle" (or, if they were, there was never much hope in the first place) - sandals replaced "bobby sox," the Monkees and the Mod Squad replaced Mitch Miller and Marshall Dillon and marijuana replaced 3.2 beer ... but so what?

3. The 60s were too much about the US civil rights movement (a good thing) and the anti-Vietnam struggle (also a good thing), but 60s activists (both in theory and practice) never effectively made the crucial connection to the working class, nor did they systematically analyze the effects of the technological mediation of social life on the global political economy (also known as "imperialism") - they therefore consigned themselves to history's trash can where a few continue to fester, but without pertinent results (or, like Todd Gitlin, got sequestered in the senior common room of a prestigious university whence to bitch about "irresponsible" activists who denied America the delights of a Hubie Humphrey presidency);

4. The 60s may have been inspired by what the author calls the libertarianism of rugged individualism but, if so, then this is another key to its failure, for nothing other than an international class-based, progressive coalition could hope to bring about a systemic challenge to corporate capitalism (or, can any Americans - regular readers of Monthly Review excepted - spell socialism?);

5. Remember the "real" 60s and reflect upon the fact that, if Cher wasn't something of a cross-over counter-cultural icon, it is hard to imagine who was - and remember as well that Republican Sonny Bono had longish hair too (can anyone at all spell the "Cowsills"?);

6. Consider suicide-martyrs such as Abbie Hoffman and Phil Ochs, and reflect upon the fact that these extraordinary (albeit bipolar) men paid the price of redemption for a movement that was mostly merely about music and co-ed college dorms.

None of this is to say that good things were not accomplished. The first halting steps toward gender equity, the beginnings of the end of discrimination based on sexual orientation, some loosening of the dress code for college teachers and so on are not entirely negligible achievements. In addition, three years of war in Iraq has killed only about 5% of the American soldiers that died in Vietnam (and maybe about the same proportion of Iraqi as compared to Vietnamese civilians) - hey, it's a quantitative if not a qualitative improvement. And, perhaps, George W. Bush is not really all that much worse than Richard M. Nixon (though some might disagree and possibly for good reason).

In any case, none of this is also to imply that the putrid pessimism of politically progressive people in the USA and elsewhere is justified by the collapse of "flower power" (note to Subcommander Marcos and President Chavez: flowers have very little power, but petroleum might have more). In fact, as Ellen Meikins Wood and others have long stressed, the relevance of a revitalized Marxism could not be more timely. First, however, it is important to understand that the granola has all been eaten and the lovely riffs of "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" have long since faded.

So, get over it.

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The 60's are not dead – just buried alive.
Posted by: monkeywrench on May 19, 2006 8:57 AM   
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The spirit of the '60's is still alive (barely); it's just buried under a land-fill of pop-culture garbage and out-of-control materialism. It'll emerge again, when the stench becomes too much for the rest of society to bear.

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The 60's: Glorious Time, Swathed in Myth
Posted by: mikespindell on May 19, 2006 9:20 AM   
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There is much truth in the author's telling of the Right Wing's need to denigrate the 60's. They have done a fair job in replacing our (the actual participants) myth, with their myth. The progressive politics/cultural liberation movement joined by some of us in the 60's was fueled by Civil Rights and the Viet Nam War. It was the successor to the "Beat" tradition, that in turn was an iteration of a progressive strain that stretched back through all of history. The battle, as it has always been, is one between those who lust for power (in its' many forms) against those who understand that all life is inter-related.

This is a never ending struggle for humanity. In each age those who empathize with others must battle against those whose simple purpose is to bend others to their wills. We CANNOT accurately measure the effect historically of any given generation from the perspective of a few score years. We CAN take heart in the fact that the battle was joined by us and that we did our best. This was true of the 60's for those of us who made the effort.

I give the right to judge the truth of my life to no one save myself. Now in my 60's I am satisfied overall with who I was and I continue to try to evolve and to try to make my own small contributions to the causes I favor. As to a judgment of my generation, however, any assessment becomes, of neccessity, mythology. I believe it is myth because how can a totality of truth be assessed upon many millions of peoples lives and actions, without the intervention of pre-conception?

By the time that the general public, corporatocracy and MSM became aware of hippie, it was no longer a self-description. This was true of the forerunner "Beat Generation." From then on the MSM and corporate world co-opted the "hippy" concept to their own ends and it became hair, Jeans, music, sex and dope. While many of us, myself included, indulged copiously, the aim was to get laid and get high while also struggling (and never losing sight of the need) to make the world better. Advertising and MSM myth distorted this struggle into matters of fashion and the cultural/political battle was joined and ultimately lost by my side. There were, however, lasting contributions made (Civil Rights, Women's Rights and the end of the Viet Nam occupation). My opinion is that we fought a good fight and accomplished much for succeeding generations to build upon.

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True, but...
Posted by: elbow on May 19, 2006 9:42 AM   
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It's not a stretch to believe that some conservatives might have an agenda when it comes to the 60's/early 70's history. And it's not a stretch that those who believed in the movements of that time would also have an agenda. But it's 2006, internet age. There's enough information, from both sides and so called neutrals, out there for anybody to piece together their own definition of what that time was like.

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Wow, interesting discourse, on tangential issues in some cases ...
Posted by: Lindie on May 19, 2006 9:48 AM   
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I have read these posts with comingled interest and dismay - some seem to get it, some are off on a rant or a tangent, some can relate, and some sound helpless/hopeless. I do feel that this article doesn't appear to mention DEM or GOP who have always been, in my experience, two sides of the same coin. This article isnt raising up, excusing, OR tearing down boomers, yuppies, DINKs or WINKs, it's about revisionist history and our country's (apparent) loss of hope and consequent loss of options because we've bought into the lies about the most progressive era this country has known, lies that keep us from thinking outside the box and exploring other options than the ones the revisionists present to stop the madness in which this nation seems to be wholly engrossed. A moral and societal crisis has been manufactured, and laid at the door of groups of people operating during an era which saw a great deal of our societies ills addressed, and which also, coincidentally, saw much of the power structure's control of and subjugation of selected elements of society taken away.

I believe the point the author is making is that we need to remember what the sixties was truly about - unity, peace, kindness, and understanding, social and economic equity - and what actually came out of it before the control freaks got back in power. It is also suggesting that we may not act to get our collective soul back as long as we buy into the line that the sixties brought nothing but corruption and a sense of entitlement to people who (in some views) deserve nothing because they won't or can't conform to 'right' views and ways.

There is nothing so frightening to a control freak as a loss of control - so of course, the revisionists seek to regain it by scaring the bejezus out of us so that we NEVER venture out to try to govern our own civil society again. Consequently, we now live in a country which hasn't been this repressive or polarized since the period following the civil war, nor ever so ready as now to engage in name-calling and hostilities against its own citizens and the rest of the world for not towing the approved line.

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If you think I'd let Barry Goldwater..live next door..
Posted by: Sundance98rw on May 19, 2006 9:57 AM   
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Country Joe and the Fish...stated the obvious: "I may liberal
to a degree..but if you think I'd let Barry Goldwater live next
door or marry my daughter...you gotta be crazy!" The truth
is that Muscle Cars, Bikini's and the war in Vietnam..and of
course LSD and Acapulco Gold....for those with a variety of
Flowers in their hair. Oh, that's right the show HAIR...with
Treat Williams..."Let the sunshine...in!" Well, I voted
Republican in every election....even for State office...but we
had a bunch of squishy Republicans until Ronald Reagan took
over the State...and then like Arnold...he got "a little" squishy
himself. But he had a pair..and I drove my '67 Big Block
El Camino 4-Speed to a total of 10 speeding tickets...(before
computers -when they take your license away after four!)
Yep..the 60's...with real boobs, drinkers and smokers! OH,
and did we mention - NO AIDS!

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The 60's, like Gen X, are nothing but Marketing Tools
Posted by: picaresque on May 19, 2006 9:58 AM   
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And it has always been thus. Read Frank Zappa's autobiography, or Thomas Frank's book The Conquest of Cool to get a good look at how big business bought & sold the ideals of the hippie generation. Of course, it was much the same for the cyberrevolutionary fantasies of the 90's.

The big distinction between the generation of the 60's & the current generation is that the current generation is much poorer, per capita, and that their idealistic gestures (for example, the massive protests at the beginning of the Iraq War) are largely ignored by the mainstream press.

When people bring up the 60s as some halcyon time that we need to return to, I think of what happened immediately afterward, during my childhood in the 70s. Those were the days of Watergate and the SLA, and the bombings of the Weather Underground, of the many acid burnouts that I've seen shuffling on the streets of San Francisco. These don't negate the positive things that came out of that decade, but they were at the very least a byproduct. And for lots of Americans, like it or not, those are just as much a part of the 60s as the free speech movement, the feminist movement and the Vietnam protests (don't forget that the war didn't end until the mid-70s.)

The left & the Democratic Party don't need to rebuild the 60's. They need to become a party of the future. Stop living in the past and be a party of the future. Turn off that Fleetwood Mac record, Bill Clinton!

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I remember ...
Posted by: Lindie on May 19, 2006 10:01 AM   
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I remember that, from the early sixties on, the GOP has never pretended to be otherwise than dedicated to supporting big business and defense contractors against the common interest of the people of the United States, wholesale subjugation of the rest of the world economically, and wholly committed to "divide and conquer" polarization of this country.

I remember that the sixties were all about reaching out to others, respecting and honoring our differences, not judging one another, extending freedom and basic rights to all (individual and societal), and about each of us - our individual people - cooperating with and respecting each other's inherent human dignity, not using classism and racism to exalt any one person over another, and using common cause, rooted in our common humanity, to stop the predations of government run amok, the fear-mongering of fringe groups, end a war for profit and political advantage that destroyed the lives of an entire generation of young men, and take back a government paid for by big business.

I remember that the democratic and republican leadership of the 1960s was no different than it is now; in fact, I would argue they were much a single party then, than they are now. What differentiated DEMS from the GOP in the sixties, is that some of the younger dems were quick to jump onto the juggernaut of social change which began in the streets, the communes, and the ghettos, and so thereby distinguished themselves from what we called 'the establishment'. While I have supported them since, I have always viewed the Dems with a jaundiced eye - I remember what they were and see what they have again become.

I remember that the core, the heart of the progressive movement against the war and for social and economic equity for everyone was made up of religious elements (pastors, priests, ministers, preachers, their congregations), veterans, students, and the poor. Yes indeed, I'm talking about those who act from religious and moral conviction - those who are looked askance upon by progressives nowadays. I'm not speaking of the religious right-wing fringe that the republican party loves so dearly. I'm talking about the churches, the fine, upstanding moral church-going, moral Christians over 30, who were the heart and soul of the progressive movement then. They were disaffected democrats,republicans, AND independents, along with greens and civil libertarians.

I remember that we young folks brought passion, energy, and drive to the progressiv cause and that the over 30s contributed guidance, direction, and tactics - they knew where the weak spots and back doors to power were. Protests were often organized and led by the churches, veterans groups, and ordinary folks working 9-5. They might be again, if we progressives could set aside our own collective preconceived ideas (again from revisionists) about what god-fearing folk think and start a dialog.

I remember that, for one shining decade, the American people, all of us, were able to do the humane thing, and work together, with great moral authority confered from our principles and beliefs. The great moral authority that Repubs are so fond of claiming now comes from the efforts of a small minority of folk populating the religious fringe - and most persons of faith are horrified at what they represent. We, each of us, must remember, speak our truths to those who don't know, and above all, act.

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Notch baby
Posted by: BlueTigress on May 19, 2006 10:05 AM   
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I call myself a notch baby. I am not a boomer (despite being born in 1962), because I was neither old enough to have been at Woodstock nor do I have any memory of the Kennedy assassination. I am also not Gen X because I was born before 1965.

I am, however, tired of the boomers defending the Sixties as the most radical, changing time in U.S. history and how all of us younger than them are supposed to worship them for the changes wrought.

Well, the changes are not holding. I don't see many of you taking to the streets or even VOTING, for that matter.

Many of you boomers are approaching retirement age, or have been at a job long enough for your pensions to kick in. But do you leave? NO!! You're just hitting your primes.

I personally think it's going to take the rest of the country, possibly even the planet, a century to recover from your selfish arrogant ways.

Look at the STD rate. Your "free love" has morphed into "What do you mean you're 17 and still a virgin? What's wrong with you?" Sex ed in the schools? Don't make me laugh. YOU will teach your children about that. And do you? NO!!

You can take your overweening pride in your wonderfulness and shove it. We're not impressed with you any more.

Ask yourself. If there was no draft, would you have protested Viet Nam?

That's what I thought.

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Thhis is why....
Posted by: wavesrgreat on May 19, 2006 10:11 AM   
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The reason, as you have so acutely observed, that we Americans appear to be asleep at the wheel is because we have become intellectually lazy pure and simple. There are far more American citizens who can tell you everything that is going on in the lives of the celebrities in People magazine than can name the three branches of government and/or the concept of checks and balances. The average American citizen is far more interested in who is singing what song on American Idol than who sits on the Supreme court.

Combine that with declining education and and you have an ignorant public ill-equiped to govern themselves. Ask yourself this: How many high school seniors know the difference between an argument and an opinion? We are empty shells too distracted to notice what's going in the halls of government because, well you know, it's just not as interesting and Angelina and Brad's vacation photos!

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Return To the Values of the 60"s
Posted by: gerry632000 on May 19, 2006 12:55 PM   
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I am a pre-baby boomer, and so I lived the 60's. I am conservative by nature, but analytical of trends and their social values. Most of what neo-conservatives point to that they devalue of the 60's era, are the feathers of the duck, not the duck. The meat of the 60's was the recognition that true happiness was not in materiality.

Social consciousness was raised during that period by the more progressive thinkers, who recognized the chase of material things were leading to the degradation of family, social units, individualism, and selling your soul to the company store. The the socially conscious were advocating social service, charity, communalism, acceptance of all races and peace among all nations in the world, consideration of much broader range of ideas as well as indivdual spirituality and Peace. Then the by-word was "Peace, man," including the victory sign.

Those more conservative holding on to the ideas that safety, security, material wealth and faith in Jesus as your savior were the the highest values. They could not see the values proclaimed by the idealist, and could only see the few who were using drugs, acting out against an unpopular war and showing anger at being rejected. These more visible few were the proverbial duck feathers; the conservatives starved for the meat and didn't know it.

Many of the idealists lost the energy of the progressive movement and gave into the fears held and spouted by the conservatives. Not all of the advantages gained in social consciousness was lost, but progress was stopped and recession is occuring out of fear. Fear inhibits progress.

Gerry Clink
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I don't think...
Posted by: Orwells_nightmare on May 19, 2006 1:09 PM   
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...I've heard such a self-indulgent collection of rambling petulance since I can't remember, which ironically, seems to make the authors point for them, kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The X'ers point fingers at the boomers, complaining about the free love or mind-expanding drugs culture as if they weren't invited to the party but still have to clean up the mess. The boomers get defensive and call the X'ers lazy, apathetic, self-indulgent molluscs because they're not setting themselves on fire outside the Pentagon. This is what both sides sound like to me:

"WAAAH! WAAAH! WAAH!"

The state of this country is not due to previous or current generations, it's due to amoral, power-grabbing, money-hungry psychopath motherfuckers of the type who've existed since the invention of politics, and who run the planet to this day. THEY are the enemy, and it's in their interest to stop us from realizing this by creating straw men like baby boomers, black gangsters, illegal immigrants, flu-ridden birds and all sorts of other bullshit reasons why it's not their fault so that we don't form a group and storm the White House with torches and shotguns.

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Wait a minute!
Posted by: Truth2 on May 19, 2006 3:35 PM   
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I was here in Berkeley, and I saw it all.

Perhaps Astra Taylor doesn't have all the facts. Perhaps no one does. But, you should know that:

1. The "right" was part of the free speak movement and played a large part in the counterculture. That part became what is known now as the Libertarian movement. (See Rebecca Klatch's A GENERATION DIVIDED.)

2. The Boomers were only a later part of "the Sixties" movement. Because there have been so many of the Boomers, and because They Had a Name (!) they have adopted credit for what happened. But think: Bob Dylan, Carl Oglesby, Jeannine Parviti, Mick Jagger, Germaine Greer, Ken Kesey, Louise Lacey, Steve Gaskins, etc. were all born before World War II. And they were the leading lights of that generation. I have always called them The Radicals, or The Musicians. Certainly they are among the people who went out into the country and worked, boy did they work, in the communes where they learned how to truly support themselves, growing tomatoes and starting a fire -- literally and figurative. Ask the people who take credit for being members of the counter culture if they can do those two things!

The people who got wasted and sat on the sidewalks of the Haight where just wantabe's.

By definition, the Boomers were born in 1946 and sooner.

So let's keep this accurate, shall we?

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A Simple Question
Posted by: gonzoskismet on May 19, 2006 5:03 PM   
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Of course the conservatives hate the Sixties. In the Sixties, some of us had the balls to tell the Great United States Government the one word they truly feared to hear. That word was NO. No I will not go die for a war you started and won't participate in. No to your corporate sell out of a nation that claims to be free and isn't. No to the idea that you can use the Constitution as toilet paper and use our lives to pay for that abuse. We had the gall to DEMAND the America we were promised by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and, of course, what we got was a fight because they never intended for us Common People to have that anyway. How dare the hired help question the Masters?
Look, I REFUSE to tell you how to raise your children. It goes against my principles. But I raised my children on the TRUTH of this nation, no matter how ugly it was. I did not depend on the schools to teach my children a poison, editted version of the truth. And they came back and thanked me.
After 9/11 when the Conservatives highjacked the nation with the help of the Democrats. The Sixties weren't about the left or the right. The Sixties were about an America I'm still waiting to see.
For some of us, the Sixties were a brief, short span in the history of this nation when we actually enjoyed the freedom
promised by the Founding Fathers of this Nation. We hitchhiked from coast to coast on as little as a jar of peanutbutter, some bread and a bar of soap(yes, some hippies took baths, contrary to popular beliefs. I still remember lovely baths at dusk in rivers.)
Where's your freedom now, America? Is it in that can of crap that George W. Bush, Jr. fills your head with everyday? Is it in forcing your old people to choose a Medicare program
by a certain date or do without the drugs they need to live?
Is THIS the America you deserve? Or is this the America that has been forced upon you? This isn't about the Sixties. This is about the America that has been PROMISED to you by your Constitution and your Bill of Rights. Will you accept any less because of the threat of TERRORISM by a Government of Terrorists. It's you're call America. I've had my day in the sun.

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Mostly right, but . . .
Posted by: yesman on May 19, 2006 5:07 PM   
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"In this version, millions of moral Middle Americans have had their values trampled by hedonistic hippies, latte-drinking liberal elites, raving antiwar protesters and black power advocates, while hardworking blue-collar guys are laid off because of reverse discrimination."

Of course this version of the legacy of the 60s is a gross exaggeration. However, the failure of so-called liberals to understand the (perhaps tiny) core of truth in this version of recent history goes a long way toward explaining why we're now saddled with the Bush Crime Family and their thugs as "leaders." For the bi-coastal bourgeois liberal, "hardworking blue collar guy" = redneck = someone to be disparaged and ignored. The falling fortunes of the (white male) working class--and the fear and resentment which it engenders--is regarded as being a personal failure. After all, if you have "gender and race privilege" on your side, it must be your own fault if your wages and benefits are being cut, if not erased, and your standard of living is going down the toilet, so stop your "whining," right? As long as "liberals" are too self-obssessed, comfortable and myopic to be able to understand the plight of the working class (of all races and genders), the Republican crime lords will remain firmly ensconced in power--because they know how to manipulate the fears and resentments of the working class, even as they disdain work and workers.

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THE 60'S NEVER BELONGED TO THE RIGHT
Posted by: pieman on May 19, 2006 7:19 PM   
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AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, THE RIGHTISTS MAY HAVE COOPTED THE VISUAL TRAPPINGS OF THE 60S!!!
BUT THE 60S HAS ALWAYS BEEN EXCLUSIVELY OURS!!!
THE RIGHTISTS HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE BEATLES, DYLAN,BEATNIKS, YIPPIES, ANTIWAR PROTESTERS ARE ABOUT!!! THEOSE PEOPLE LACK DEPTH!!
THEY ARE HUNG UP ON THE CONSUMERIST APPROACH OF THE 60'S....
FURTHERMORE, THEY MAY HAVE LOST THEIR VIRGINITY AT AN EARLY AGE LIKE WE DID!!! BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING!!! IT DOESNT TAKE MUCH FOR A REPUBLIKKKAN WOMEN TO SPEAD HER LEGS OR SUCK A DICK!!! BECAUSE REPUBLICANS ARE HOLLOW UPSTAIRS AND THREY STILL DON'T GET IT!!!
THE 60'S ARE OURS OURS OURS

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pie the repugnikkkan sellouts
Posted by: pieman on May 19, 2006 7:24 PM   
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i am issuing a yippie! fatwa!!!
THE TIME HAS COME TO PIE THE BENEDICT ARNOLDS OF THE 60'S ALA DAVID HOROWITZ!!! A YIPPIE PIE WILL SET THEM STRAIGHT
aron pieman kay
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The "60's" have never ended...
Posted by: Dallas112263 on May 19, 2006 7:37 PM   
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Just as WWII will not end until we bury the last person whose life was shaped by it. The Depression just ended around my house with the death of my grandmother, we no longer must save all the Christmas wrapping and the door knobs no longer bulge with rubber bands...The Viet Nam War still rages in my cousin's nightmares, soon his children will not have to watch out, not to slam doors or make sudden loud noises.. Now his son just returned from Iraq, another proud Marine. Yeah, the beat goes on...

Tomorrow I will travel the short distance to Berkeley, CA to visit with some old friends and wish a grand old man a happy 70th birthday. You see the 1960's were not about free love, they were not all sex 'n drugs and rock and roll...mostly they were about peace and helping and healing, they were about unplugging from the system, so as to not trod so heavily on the Earth. They were about living in a way consistent with your ideals. And by and large, we have and do, we are better at living and healing than our parents, if you can say the same in 40 years, well done...

The Clown Prince of the Counterculture, Wavy Gravy will celebrate his 70th birthday with a benefit concert for the Seva Foundation at Berkely Community Auditorium, Mayor Tom Bates has declared the week of 5/14-5/20 as Wavy Gravy Week and we will be serenaded by members of the Grateful Dead and others, including special guests... Dr. Larry is on the Seva Board...as in Brillant, along with co-founder Wavy and Bobby Weir...

This is a 1960's life of contribution to be celebrated, this is a journey taken not please the senses of one Hugh Romney, but one taken to serve others and perfect the soul of one Wavy Gravy.

When I met Wavy and the Hog Farm in '71 they were all in their 30's and 40's and I was but 16. Space does not exist here to recount all the years since, but it has been a long strange trip...and that my radical young friends is my point...

Nothing is over til it is done, gone and buried, and we won't be for many, many years...in fact a second and third generation of "Flower People" carries on... Go to a Phil and Friends or a Rat Dog Show, see the David Nelson Band...I spent last New Years Eve in San Francisco as I always have, with my family, my extended and extending family, listening to Jerry, even though he is now gone as well, the music will linger for generations. There is still nothing like it and we are aging well...

Just as my father is aging well and still listening to Sinatra and Cole Porter...

Make your stand, speak your piece, you stand on our shoulders to do it, just we stood on the shoulders of the Beats, and we all stand on the shoulders of Jefferson, Washington and Franklin. Preserved by the blood of those buried in the ground, for that is where you will find the cost of Freedom, buried in the ground.

I will sing an old song for ya tomorrow, but we focus not on yesterday, but on that tomorrow...

RGJ/Dallas112263

Al Gore in 2008
Not because he is running...
But because he is LEADING!

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If these things hadn't happened....
Posted by: Longdream on May 19, 2006 8:20 PM   
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the character of the 60's would have been different.

We screwed our brains out, but it wasn't just because our moral pants fell down. It was because the birth control pill went into distribution, and all of a sudden women had foolproof protection.

We didn't all of a sudden decide to rebel. They killed JFK, RFK and MLK, and we got scared. And then for the first time the war was on TV every single night, and we were horrified, and we said no.

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barnwell
Posted by: laredo on May 19, 2006 10:19 PM   
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Free love? What free love? In spite of the most extensive field research imaginable on my part, I never came across free love during the Sixties; that is, excepting for a few honorable exceptions who would have obliged me during any decade. The nearest thing to free love for me didn’t occur until the Eighties when Reagan beamed his senile smile upon us. Instead of begging for it, I was begging for them to stop.

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I lived the 60's
Posted by: dikaiosyne on May 20, 2006 3:15 AM   
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I don't even have to read the full article to know where the author is going with his views. I lived the 60's and the 70's and I know exactly how we thought. Our only concerns were getting drugs, listening to music, getting laid and staying out of the war in VietNam. We were a bunch of young long haired hedonists who allowed ourselves to be caught up in the claptrap of "make love not war" and "if it feels good....do it!" Many of us learned over time that we got snookered by the view that immediate gratification of all our wants was the end all and be all to life. I'm a whole lot older now and my view of those times is that it cost us our soul as a nation. Many of the minions of the left are now as old as I am am now are trying to infect the next generations with the same virus of gross hedonism. I suppose these ex-hippy types want to relive the glory days of their youth vicariously through today's generations. I sincerely hope they fall flat on their faces in the attempt because America and the old American ideals of liberty, generosity and self sacrifice are worth saving and keeping. To all you "boomers" I can say is that your children would be better off accepting the more conservative views of our Parents and Granparents than to allow our children to repeat the same mistakes of our past.

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The Torch Needs to Burn Bright Again-NOW!
Posted by: drricklippin on May 20, 2006 4:17 AM   
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The torch of the 60's values has been in decline but will burn bright again. Sure the 60s was about pleasure. As a Doc I have stated that engaging in responsible pleasures is "the most underestimated source of good health in our times". But much more important the 60s was about values manifested by challenging authority when it needed to be challenged and by not following the dogma of leaders blindly. In short to think for oneself. The last 6 years in particular have demonstrated the compelling need for a 60s values resurgence. BTW it is happenning already and will just accelerate and broaden. The anti-60s rhetoric is both regressive and dangerous.

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A Franco-American point of view
Posted by: Anouch on May 20, 2006 6:02 AM   
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When I finished reading this article, I was surprised at seeing so many posts reacting about the 60's. Evidently, the 60's is a cornerstone in the building of the American -and European- collective imaginations.

Being Franco-American, and having lived in Paris all my life (I'm 19, so have no idea what generation I'm a part of really), I have heard some crazy tails of friends parents who were there in 1968 when the whole French educational system was being overthrown by the students, etc, etc.

But, I look at things now and see a bunch of kids my age doing the same kind of thing (marching in front of the Sorbonne this last March and April) to denounce the injustices made by the government. When I see these students, somehow I don't really see idealism, more a sort of disillusion, and an attempt to keep things at a stalemate by performing manifestations that don't really have a long term goal, but that are more a cry of help, a desire to be heard and to be understood.

Like a lot of French kids my age, I don't particularly like what the french government is doing right now, actually I despise most of their actions, but I'm not too keen on the left either, because both sides pretty much mirror each other. I think that feeling is sometimes shared in the US, where disillusion has conquered a lot of people and their outlook on the world. It's not a coincidence that we live in a world where parody and irony are some of the most acclaimed forms of expression. Those forms of expression, that lack of idealsim, seems tyo be a defense mechanism, a way to cast away the harsh realities that we don't really want to face. So instead, we laugh about it. Keeping that in mind, I think one of the ways to move forward is to think originally, and not try to copy the 60's and that idealist vision, because it doesn't suit our times.In order for a movement to have an impact on its time, it has to understand the time and work accordingly.

On the other hand, I'm young and I have ideals that I try to live by, and I hope that I will not have let them all go by the age of 40, when a lot of people will have tried to lull me into passivity and comfort.

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Save the human race!
Posted by: Tiffany Twain on May 20, 2006 8:11 AM   
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Only creative ideas whose time has come can save us from the converging calamities of the 21st Century: resource depletion, overpopulation, intensifying conflicts, and ecological collapse.

Check out Comprehensive Global Perspective at www.EarthManifesto.com!

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Please be careful with sweeping statements
Posted by: Mutternich on May 20, 2006 11:57 AM   
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"...[T]he self-sacrificing soldier spat upon by unpatriotic protesters. Lembcke shows how the Nixon administration and the media purposefully propagated this myth...."

I wish people on our side wouldn't make categorical statements like this. Dismissing as a "myth," even before we've heard it, something our opponent may have experienced personally can only damage what we're trying to accomplish.

What do we say to the veteran who tells us he did indeed return home from honorable service to vilification by fellow Americans? Not long ago, my local paper ran a letter to the editor making just such a response to just such an assertion by another writer. What do we do then, call the vet a liar?

Some term like "overblown image" makes the point just as well while covering you against being made a fool of by someone else's direct experience. Let the other side make the sweeping categorical claims and take the lumps for them.

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Google "The Powell Memo" to find out what happened to the '60s. Read it and weep.
Posted by: Sojourner on May 20, 2006 9:06 PM   
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I keep a copy handy on my PC, but it's too long to fit here. It begins with the following heading:

Confidential Memorandum:
Attack of American Free Enterprise System
DATE: August 23, 1971
TO: Mr. Eugene B. Sydnor, Jr., Chairman, Education Committee, U.S. Chamber of Commerce
FROM: Lewis F. Powell, Jr.

It was written before Powell became a justice of the Supreme Court, but it details the need for an organized effort to save the US from the counterculture. Clearly it succeeded.

That's because the counterculture scared the pants off the establishment. Changes were happening. Johnson was driven from the presidency. The '68 Demo convention in Chicago encited a police riot.

The establishment had lost control, and Powell laid out a manifesto for regaining control. It succeeded.

If you think that they will ever again permit the use of freedom to threaten the establishment, you are dreaming.

But it is time to begin again. Speak truth to power. Avoid the lure of a quick change by violence. All sides are so heavily armed now that we will all be in danger if it comes to violence.

Thoreau found a way. Ghandi found a way. Martin Luther King found a way. Resist by refusing to agree. Rosa Parks found a way. We can find a way.

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One, Two Many Sixties
Posted by: squattyroo on May 20, 2006 10:26 PM   
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Evidently there were as many 60s as people would like to imagine there were. Each has its own uses: granola 60s, Yuppie-breeding ground 60s, planting tomatoes 60s, spit-on the vet 60s, barefoot 60s, Leninist 60s, flower power 60s, MLK/JFK/LBJ 60s, Reaganite 60s, Krishna consciousness 60s,et al. But all of these & none of these are accurate. What we did is drive a stake thru the heart of a particular mindset that flourished in the 50s and were conscious of driving that stake thru every inch of the way. For that our enemies have not forgiven us.
Those who think the 60s were merely about drugs & fucking miss the point (& any adult knows that "free love" is an oxymoron; only a child can think that love is free). But as instruments carried by individuals determined to overthrow a repressive culture, they were invaluable. They were an adjunct to the larger struggle for human freedom, a struggle that goes on to the present moment. Did folk get co-opted? Yep; some. Were folk bullshitting? Yep; some. Did some folk trade in their love beads or litte Red Books the moment Nixon resigned & got jobs as middle managers on Wall or Main Street? Yep, for sure. Did we make mistakes? Damn straight! Lots of us thought that if we wore our hair long & decked out in strange clothes & smoked a lot of duji & changed our names, the system would just collapse! So a lot of us were wrong about the ability of capitalism to absorb our rebellion.
But we changed sexual mores, changed the face of mass culture, resisted and ended the invasion of Vietnam, dismantled American apartheid, raised the awareness of non-white ethnicities of their centrality to American life, sprinkled the seeds of the gay rights movement, wholly invented the modern women's movement, altered the practice and function of the arts, had an effect on several worldwide freedom movements, and altered the calculus of possibility here in the US.
What some folk seem to forget is that as the 60s ground on and its activists became more radicalized, the "liberal" increasingly became the enemy. The Vietnam War was the child of liberal parents ; it only became anaethema to the majority of liberals once it was apparent it was a failure (sound familiar?) The struggle of African Americans for equality was only tepidly supported by liberals till 1964, and then as the movement spread north, not at all. Liberals fought tooth and nail against participatory democracy until the Mcgovern movement in 1972. The 60s were a "liberal" decade only tangentially. Like, the liberals never really got that "Highway 61 Revisited" was a more "political" record than "The Times, they are a-changing" could ever be.
& thats why 60s popular music was so hip; for the only time in American history, popular music was tied in directly to what could be considered a mass movement.
"Dancing in the Streets", indeed.

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A Practical Question...
Posted by: chuckville on May 21, 2006 7:53 AM   
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Ok, all the Boomer/Gen X vitriol aside...let me just ask one question:

The article says we should "get back the '60s."

My simple, practical question is: Why?

The '60s already happened. We have new problems now. Why do we want the '60s back when we haven't even risen to the task of our own time?

Different times deserve different responses.

I don't want the Sixties back.

I want to be a part of my own time.

I want to be part of NOW, which most people (including some of the mroe deluded idealists who comment on this site) still steadfastly avoid.

That is all. Carry on.

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your soldier quote is inaccurate
Posted by: tatteredsneaker on May 21, 2006 8:59 AM   
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"one of the '60s' most enduring -- and counterfeit -- images: the self-sacrificing soldier spat upon by unpatriotic protesters. Lembcke shows how the Nixon administration and the media purposefully propagated this myth"

I understand if you couldn't be there to see them spit on me, to hear them call me filthy names. All I wanted to do when I signed up was fly airplanes, I never wanted to kill anyone. I had to serve two tours over there. Yeah, I was paid, just enough to cover what I would have made if I hadn't enlisted. Is that what bothers you, that I was paid? Many better men than myself never received the money they were promised. Perhaps that makes you feel better. I know it's hard being an author. The constant temptation to exaggerate in order to generate interest in your latest book. You needn't worry, people will buy it. See, I don't bother telling people what really happened anymore because they don't care. They would rather pretend things were different to cover for their parents' mistakes. I know how you feel about that too because my dad walked out and my mom hid in a bottle. Anyway, now that you know it did in fact happen, you can discard this hurtful lie. (Because it is hurtful. What did I ever do to you?) Or you can go on telling it the way your enemies do. I didn't write this comment, I never would have done it, never would dare tell you how to live your life. I don't even know if I could share this with the world. Someone else wrote about my life here so that the readers might have one last chance at the truth.

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advice from the X generation
Posted by: may261989 on May 21, 2006 8:03 PM   
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Us X geners have an ambivalent relationship with the baby boomers.
Friends and colleagues commonly use the term "bloody hippies" and when you see Joan Baez grabbing her guitar and going down to hang out with Cindy Sheehan, you can see the Right Wing rubbing their collective palms together praising the Lord for the Looney left screwing themselves again.
Keep the group hugs, boring songs and inane smiles to the communes folks.. When your out in the real world, be realistic, nobody likes a patronising smug arsehole telling them whats real.
We want to be able to take the rightwing on head on - gloves up and come out swinging - if anything the 60's have shown us that playing fair doesnt work in the 21st century .

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The '60s generation is in charge
Posted by: Burton on May 21, 2006 10:06 PM   
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In point of fact, the people who grew up in the 1960s are running the country today: "W" Bush and Bill Clinton, to name but two. Yet we are living in an increasingly reactionary era.

Despite both of these gentlemen's affinity for sex and drugs in their younger days, both are supporters of the war on drugs and "traditional values".

And what of the millions of other pot smokers, free lovers, antiwar marchers, and such from the 1960s? Why do they continually vote for anti-drug, anti-sex and pro-war policies?

Could it be that they remember how they rebelled against their parents and do not want to see their own chidlren do the same against them?

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IS it Conservatives or Post-Boomers?
Posted by: MrSubtle on May 21, 2006 10:20 PM   
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According to Strauss and Howe the fastest age-related change in attitude in all of their research was regarding attitudes about the 60's among people born before 1961 versus after 1961. Those born before had some chancce to experience the "fun" of the sex/drugs/rock-n-roll era while those born later mainly experienced the negative consequences (drug addiction, diseases like AIDS, broken families, debased school systems, and the like). They might be conservatives or not, but among the folks I know under 44 (and down to say the kids in their mid 20's who have no meaningful memories of either the 60's or their aftermath) tend to have negative attitudes about the 60's.

It's not about politics as much as it is life experience and age.

--Brian

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From a Gen Yer's POV
Posted by: Byrodude on May 21, 2006 10:38 PM   
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I am apart of Gen Y-Z. And being that I came much after the Gen Xer's (born in 86), and having quite a bit of exposure to their culture and lifestyles, I feel that I have a unique view of their ideology (Generation X is one of my favorite books). I feel that many of them hold with much disdain the negative effects of the hippie culture and the 60's in general. It seems to me that this is a bit without merit. Yes, many Gen Xer's lives were altered because of their parents irresponsible behavior in the 60's, but I know many more people, closer to my age, who have the best, most supportive, most forward looking, progressive parents in the world. Looking back and really analyzing the 60's, I feel that we need to take back that sense of purpose, the sense of duty to our country, most importantly, our world. Due to the failure of paradise percieved by many gen xer's they have lost all hope, to them change is not possible, because it didn't happen for their idealistic parents. And that is a mistake, for the most idealistic of the Boomers are very happy. Idealism, in our culture today, specifically for the Gen Xer's and beyond, is as good as dead. And with it, any hope for change. I would say, the apathetic, hedonistic state of our youth (of which i am very much a witness to, being smack dab in the popular culture of southern california) is just as much their fault as it is their parents. It is out of fear, selfishness, and distrust. For my friends and colleagues, it is the letter of the land. And this I have the Gen X media to blame for. Love has turned to sex, and intelligence has been thrown to the dogs, replaced with wise cracking, ironic, apathetic cynics, unwilling to put down their ipod or believe in anything but themselves. But I will say, I feel a backlash, a movement of people my age who are awakening to idealism and hope, because the Gen Xer's have led us into the den of evil. They let nothing happen, and now WE will have to deal with it. At least the Boomers tried, we cannot say the same.

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Hope as a commodity.
Posted by: Byrodude on May 21, 2006 11:51 PM   
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I agree with you, one hundred percent, but I think as a whole our "mass of countercultures" are universally devoid of any notion that we can change our environment, due mainly to the ideas that the Post Boomer/Gen X media started placing in our brains since childhood. I believe we all have a lack of ingenuity in helping and improving our culture, specifically when it comes to standing up to "The Man". I know lot's of people that hate whats going on, but do they do anything about it? No. Why, because they've been told they can't. Or, out of spite, won't.

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» RE: Take Off Your iPod. Posted by: abqbabe
Polarization
Posted by: ascot on May 22, 2006 3:28 AM   
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The 60s can be viewed through many lenses. Many comments remind me of the parable of the blind men and the elephant; Joanie Mitchell and George W. Bush, for example, had radically different lenses.

Mitchell had access to media that profited from her work; Bush occupied the opposite pole - he may have been wearing the frat boy wig and all - but he had access to the corridors of power. The backgrounds of most of the neocon revisionists are similarly priveleged, or they have had powerful sponsors like those who paved the way for Richard Nixon. One group threatened to be ungovernable and the other group craved control. It certainly didn't help that Big Labor fell in the second category and shattered the Democratic party.

Both Mitchell and Bush were aided by commercial interests. If there hadn't been a market for hippie-inspired apparel, music and VW vans, the protest message wouldn't have gotten as far. Maybe we need more Bonos.

However, access to ivy league schools provides access to power that is hard to equal. That is why the nearly silent war on education is being waged by the right. This is viewed by the rich right as a war against the rabble and the rich have been able to forge links with poorer voters to get them to actually vote against their best interests. If only the children of the rich can grasp the keys to the castle, the future is secure.

This polarization is driven by wedge issues, but the most powerful bloc, unfortunately, is the easily misled. As our public education system deteriorates, things only get worse. So many of these issues can be mapped into rich vs. poor, and each one of them ratchets the right up another notch.

The real question is - how do we counter Rupert Murdoch, et. al., and level the playing field by raising awareness?

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» RE: Polarization Posted by: owleyes
I Was There - VIVA THE 60s!
Posted by: abqbabe on May 22, 2006 12:26 PM   
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The Sixties were such a wonderful time, full of possibility and social ferment. They were filled with the realization that it was possible to cast off old, selfish, conservative methodolgy and build a better future. And that is precisely WHY the conservatives hate and malign the 1960s even to this day.

Of course the 60s threatened almost everything the elitist, conservative culture stood for! Where they advocated selfish materialism for profit, we offered altruism. Where they clung to a narrow interpretation of "divinely" approved salvation, we offered spiritual awakening and exploration. Where they ordered conformity to be socially accepted, we offered individual thought, expression and freedom to seek the truth.
They knew the cost of everything and the value of nothing, including human life and dignity; and THEY have not changed to this day.

Only now they have tightened their control of the media, the educational system and the economy, still as ever trying to make society march in lockstep to the Neocon tune, where the many suffer for the profit of the few. Conservative Republicans have turned this country in to a depressing shadow of its former self.
That they tell lies and spread misinformation about an era of glorious social expansion is just the same old policy they have always used to suck the life and spirit out of anything they cannot control for their own benefit.

Many, if not most of us, who came of age in the 60s did not sell out. What we did was to step off center stage while we went home and had families of our own and raised them. For this we often took "regular" jobs, it is true. Yet I know many people of my generation who took those jobs carefully and with a great deal of thought about the social and environmental ramifications of what they were doing.

Some of us moved to the country or rural towns, as I did, grew our organic gardens, raised our kids where they could run free in the summer, and followed a life of voluntary simplicity and recycling. With our efforts and stubborn continuance of these "counterculture" ideals, we continued to lay the foundations for the general availability of many of these things in today's mainstream society.
We carried our idealism and altruism into the quiet backwaters of our communities and did volunteer work, creating foundations that live and benefit people and the environment today on a much wider scale.
We took our radical ideas of equality into the workplace and neighborhoods with us, and made associating, learning from and being friends with those of different races and creeds a cultural ethic that continues today (in spite of conservative efforts to divide and prejuidice the population through fear tactics, envy and ignorance).
We continued to look askance at unbridled authority, to read between the lines of what was presented to us as information, to question what seemed wrong, to demand that we be heard as people in our own right regardless of whether we had big bucks, a fancy car or a McMansion - or not. And we continue to demand these same things for everyone.

The 60s never died. They just went underground, while the "Me" generation of the 70s and 80s took over the spotlight. The 60s are alive and well, living in every food co-op, fuel efficient used car, alternative health care, herbal medicine, organic food store, recycling program, environmental preservation initiative, social services program, alternative energy endeavor, and unregenerate nonmaterialistic person you meet today.

Look around; our legacy is the living fruits of our work, which many of us continue today. Viva the Sixties!

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» yer right, man. i AM the 60's! Posted by: alterhead
» Idealizing the 50s Posted by: churchofone
» RE: Idealizing the 50s Posted by: MrSubtle
Clear Cutting the BS
Posted by: independent1 on May 22, 2006 5:54 PM   
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With respect to Ms. Taylor, I do not think we're going to benefit one iota by romanticizing that mixed bag we call "The Sixties." I graduated from high school in 1963 - JUST in time for the draft rev-up, the advent of "free sex" and "free drugs" and - the Detroit riot of '68. Police - some I counted as good friends, were part of either the racists, the crooks, the psychos with badges or - that fraction which believed they were upholding the law.

Many of my buddies went to 'Nam. ALL came back - and with a little help from me I might say. But what did they come back to - these victims of brutal conscription? Not much one would want to - drugs became entrenched because of the 'free thinkers' and illegal drugs still plague our society - BECAUSE - it was sold originally as "harmless" and "a right."

All this idealism and romanticism: is dangerous crap. I was an idealist too - only I thought Conservatism (a la "Ike") was the answer. I always knewthat socialism only generates disincentives and decline under an increasingly coercive government.

- I started to notice the cracks in conservative idealism during the Reagan Admin. I was out of politics (and much else - thanks to a recession) by then. No one here has mentioned the "trendy" Yuppies yet. With Yuppieism, we saw for the first time a rise in the attitude expressed as, "Me first, me last, me always - ME!" Yuppie-ism gave us a growing economic gap, severe stratification by relative wealth (even within families). (Forget: "The Virtue of Selfishness.")

It's Idealism itself we must stamp out. As Eric Hoffer wrote in his 1951 book, "The True Believer" - Idealism comes in many forms, none of those forms actually deliver what their leaders promise and none of those forms (or "Isms") are even meant to MAKE SENSE. They're started and get rolling by TELLING US WHAT WE WANT TO BELIEVE, regardless of reality or countervaling facts.

Neither Conservatism, Liberalism or any Ism DELIVER anything but 'more recruits' to the True Cause (hundreds of those True Causes, have you noticed?).
Oh, they do deliver another thing: endless arguments and devisiveness.

The United States is a MODEL of what Hoffer warned against: divided, rancorous, suspicous, regional, irrational and destructive. Hoffer suggested: cohesiveness, more equality and less individualism. Most important - a country where MOST people are satisfied with... THEMSELVES and their pursuits in life. Self-satisfaction is NOT selfishness. It's not about taking and getting while the getting is good - it's about producing what we CAN and what we ENJOY producing for a reasonable reward (not billions of dollars, etc.).

That brings up a most important fact about "idealism" - none of those Isms HAS A STOP BUTTON. Socialists talk like it's our holy duty to just give away ALL our wealth to those in need. Guess what - wealth is finite, need IS NOT. Conservatives assert the opposite: that the producers get ALL for the least expenditure - including wages paid to those who physically do the producing. Both sides will argue that there's "no limit" and that means they've built their "ideals" with no Stop Button.

Ms. Taylor, I have to inform you that you're advocating for "more of the same." If the Conservatives steal the Sixties, the Liberals will steal it right back. They're all illegitmate con men.

Meanwhile; we could try being "like" Benjamin Franklin. He knew how to unify people to mutally beneficial causes and he was satisfied with what he got to the point where he turned down Congress's offer of patents on all of his inventions. He knew what "the Common Good" really means!

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60s revival for a new macropolitical coalition
Posted by: horrified heartlander on May 22, 2006 6:35 PM   
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Yes, the rebellion against materalist elites in the 60s really existed. After Nixon was finally driven from office in '74 (partly through honest, selfless journalism) , the public had enough and finally obligated the Congress to end our intrusions into Viet Nam and Indochina in '75.

But an idealistic progressive activism lost its way at a time of encroaching inflation and economic letdown. I remember how well it fragmented. There was the urban rennaissance fighting gentrification, the environmentalists, the rural/organic struggle to save the family farm, advocates on behalf of 3rd word democracy -- and it seemed we were all talking at cross-purposes and oblivious of the struggles of the longstanding families of the blue-collar and the assaults on the middle class like slickly propagandized trade agreements.
And X-geners DO have something to gripe about. A statistical transfer of wealth that has been occurring since '73 reveals that opportunities have been in steady decline for them. Somehow, we lost sight of the importance of coalition-building. I thought when RR came into office with venal lethal assaults into Central America, 60s activists would be kick started again. Was I ever wrong! While we fragmented, the geeks and nerds of YAF with their sociopathic
neuroses and contempt for just about everybody else were building alliances and unrelenting in their preparation for the day they would grip their conniving little aggrandizing hands on the levers of government, corporations, and information services. I am the first to admit, that we who look fondly back at the 60s were asleep to far more insidious activity than what we encountered then.

Our battle cry should be "NEVER AGAIN!" To borrow a phrase from the Civil Rights movement, "Keep Yours eyes on the Prize". The prize is a majority coalition on behalf of peace, liberty, human rights for all, and no more special privileges for organized elites. We stay united on behalf of a global ecology that can be compatible with human existence. We will be smeared, denounced, and possibly physically assaulted, but we will remain united with our eyes on the prize. Even if we live to experience victories like withdrawal from military adventurism, fiscal responsibility based on progressive taxation, universal health care, education with educators truly valued, and many others, we NEVER AGAIN will withdraw and fragment. We and our children will remain united in a classic coalition with our eyes on the prize.

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some thoughts on the fruits of the counterculture
Posted by: Shakti on May 23, 2006 7:39 AM   
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[I posted this comment as a reply to someone above, but then thought it worth repeating here. The counterculture has been more positive and effective than most people realize.]

there are lots of folks quietly laboring to create a better world:

http://www.spiritualprogressives.org/
http://www.svn.org/
http://livingeconomies.org/
http://www.rmi.org/
http://www.ic.org/
http://www.coopamerica.org/

these groups are just the tip of the iceberg. their efforts have not been negated in any way and their leadership is definitely not part of the status quo.

maybe they are hard to find because the transnationals and the MSM don't want you to know about them.

one more thing: mammals did not confront dinosaurs and defeat them head to head; they were there when the dinosaurs became unsustainable. elements of the counterculture are like the early mammals; the transnationals are the dinosaurs (Exxon Mobil is T Rex.) the counterculture planted the seeds for a new society. these seeds have been germinating for a few decades and when the transnationals become unsustainable, these countercultural networks will be in place to provide the soil for a new kind of civilization. (See J.G. Bennet's 'Needs of a New Age Community').

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Sex, drugs and more sex and drugs
Posted by: Burton on May 25, 2006 6:48 AM   
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Something the counter-culture hit upon in the 1960s was that you could use sex and drugs to create alternative states of consciousness which undermined the ruling worldview. One of the failures of the "left" today is its failure to continue this revolution. Listening to Radio Pacifica, for example, one rarely hears any promotion of the use of psychadelic drugs (perhapds an old Terrence mckenna tape).

It's ironic that the main opposition to the war on drugs has come from the libertarian wing of the right, while the left, for the most part, ignores this war.

One reason the "Matrix" movies went over so well is that they jacked into this kind of approach: take the red pill, open your eyes, see that the world around you is so much smoke and mirrors created by the rulers.

Thoughts?

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I think it is a failure of imagination
Posted by: saphil@yahoo.com on May 27, 2006 3:56 PM   
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No, there is nothing wrong with your imagination. It does well if it can even come up with the concept.

Failure of imagination stems from living in a worldview that sets both the problems and the choices of solution, without being aware that this is is not the whole story - that this is not reality. If the reps are the "problem" the dems are the "solution" -- that is a dem-based frame. If you are living in this particular frame (of which I am not accusing you) you will not be able to think of solutions that do not include the dems as a central part.
Frames are hardest to see if they are your own. There is a reasonable tendency to think that the way you think is the right way, and people who don't share your values (or don't appear to) are probably wrong or ill-informed. You can see this on alternet pages when the trolls come out. They think they are right, normal and justified, and you probably see them as flat-out crazy, wrong and ill-informed. If you choose to argue with them you have just entered their frame to make your arguments. You cannot win in this. You may just not be able to communicate with them.
On a less contentious level, a common frame from within which to view the world is that of a new parent. When you become a parent, you actively change your frame to one which holds the well-being of your child as a central part of your decision-making and analytical process. Before you had a child, you might could take risks, but now you might not be able to think about anything at all without considering the child. Try to talk (most) parents into a course of action that is guaranteed to place their child in danger and you are probably starting a fight.
If we had the imagination to set a new frame of reference then we would have more palatable solutions "logically" derive from it.

Consider the Abramoff thing: Congress wants us to consider it a problem requiring "lobbyist reform", so those wayward lobbyists learn their place. I kinda think it is a "congressional Ethics reform" since there would be no issue at all, if congress and staffers were above taking bribes and kick-backs and pay-offs.

I am looking for a progressive party with
at least the following planks:
1) public funding only for campaigns - no corporate money
2) single-term for all elected officials.. no 50-yr senators, please.
3) repeal the illegal federal income taxes and replace them with a federal sales tax (flat tax on everything - cross the board -- no exemptions) Want to pay less tax? buy less stuff!
4) reduce military spending to be no more than the equivalent of the sum of the next 10 (2nd through 11th) on the list of countries military spending. Use real numbers, not percentages of GNP or any other such deceptive scheme.
5) close the private company called the "federal reserve" and back the currency with gold.
6) be pro-education, not anti-ignorance.
7) reinstate the balance of power in the exec, judicial and legislative branches of the government.
8) give the Department of Peace space in the buildings recently vacated by the IRS when they are reduced in size based on their lack of relevance in the new tax system.

--This isn't really a platform plank, but a suggestion for success. Choose your values, and constituency and be with them. This will make this party unusual in the history of US politics. Do not make the error of assuming you can ever be "everything to everybody" The dems attempting to be "moderate" and tend toward center has resulted in them playing by the republicans' rules and being undifferentiated in the voters mind. They all talk the same, they all look the same, they are all owned by the same handful of business interests...
"Throw the bums OUT!"

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The sixites
Posted by: MEL810 on May 27, 2006 7:34 PM   
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I think a great deal of the problem re: the sixties is the mystique that has grown up around the decade.
Many of the advances of the decade (anti-war, feminism, race relations, loosening of some general social mores) were started in the forties and fifties and came to a head in the sixites and early seventies.
Rock and roll, drugs and permissive sex-a cultural hallmark of the time- do not make for a solid ground upon which to build a lasting political movement.
One of the BIGGEST mistakes the hippies and yippees, etc., made during the time was the idea that they could just totally discount the rest of America as unhip and useless.
Any progressive, lasting political movement has to include the working class. Many of the hippies sneered at the working class and unions and callled them rednecks and they sneered right back, calling them dirty hippies.
Had the liberal,idealistic(but naive) youth and the working class and the progressive religious movements(which were very involved in race issues and poverty issues) worked together instead of at cross-purposes, we wouldn't have the Bushitas in power today.
The Repubs just cloaked themselves in middle America values and fooled the formerly union-label working class into thinking that they represent them.
In so many so called progressive forums, I still see that lingering phobia of and disdain for the middle American working person and of people of religious faith,especially Christians. Until the left can learn to not mock and scorn but to work with and earn back some of its old constiuency, I fear the Repubs will continue to reign at the voting booth.
In my mind, part of being progressive is being open-minded and that means to ALL points of view, not just to those in your own little subset of values.
Wavy Gravy and other such sixties personalities will never be mainstream characters and have little effect on anyone other than those who like that sort of personal stchick(sp?) but unions and issues like health care have broad appeal.

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