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Big Brother's Secret Calling Plan

By G. Pascal Zachary, AlterNet. Posted May 12, 2006.


The NSA's data-collection scheme has brought outraged demands for legal action against the government and the private telephone companies that assisted in the program.
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President Bush at the NSA headquarters in Fort Meade, Maryland, in January 2006. REUTERS/Jason Reed
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With the revelations last Thursday in USA Today that the National Security Agency has compiled a vast database of every telephone call made in the United States, President George W. Bush is now fighting a new, bitter, political battle. The shocked reaction to the program by members of the U.S. Senate, including from some Republican members, even suggests that impeachment proceedings could be brought against the president should Democrats gain a majority in November.

The NSA program is a clumsy, brittle subterfuge. The agency, which is allowed to spy on international phone calls, isn't spying on purely domestic calls; rather, it is only compiling a list of these calls in order to "data mine," or analyze them. The president, in a hasty and brief press encounter on Thursday, insisted that all of the NSA's actions are legal and pointedly did not deny the USA Today report.

But justifying NSA spying on purely domestic phone calls on the grounds that the agency is merely compiling records of the calls is spurious. The NSA is expressly forbidden from spying on American activities within the boundaries of the United States. This prohibition against spying includes any investigation of American citizens. If compiling the purely domestic telephone calls of Americans is kosher, why can't the NSA go to Netflix and ask for every American's DVD rental records? Or why can't it ask Amazon.com for records on book shopping? Or go to Google and ask for a "compilation" of searches by Americans, or Bank of America for the bank records of every American?

Of course, the NSA can't make such requests. Compiling such data, on a blanket basis, is against the law. The NSA has no authority to either compile such data bases or mine them.

Law enforcement has long worked effectively without unbridled investigatory powers, and there is no reason to believe that even the NSA needs expanded powers of investigation.

U.S. law clearly allows for the investigation of Americans by the FBI, state and local police and various other agencies. But these investigations must follow clear rules of procedure and eventually require a court order. Fruitless investigations must be closed, and targets of fruitful investigations sooner or later must have the chance to examine the evidence against them.

None of these safeguards apply in the NSA program, which USA Today reporter Leslie Cauley described in great detail. "It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," one source told the newspaper. The source added that the NSA's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing in the NSA's legislative charter that sanctions such a program. Congress, which each year approves the NSA's budget and each year authorizes its activities, has never approved any such program of domestic spying.

And indeed, the NSA program amounts to spying. President Bush's defenders surely will argue that the agency isn't spying on Americans but merely compiling data. However, the data being compiled is typically available to law enforcement only when authorized by a court. There is no court in the United States that ever has approved of such a large-scale surveillance program.

Which brings us back to President Bush. Just a day after a new CBS/Times poll found his approval ratings at all-time lows -- and as low as ever registered for any president -- Bush faces another grave crisis. In a long list of impeachable offenses, from lying about Iraqi WMD to prisoner torture to issuing executive orders declaring his plans to disregard provisions of new laws, Bush's creation of a purely domestic spying program may be the most flagrant. Of course, the Republicans may hold on to the Senate, and Bush then will escape impeachment. But the president will not escape the wrath of the American people and the force of American law.


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G. Pascal Zachary is the author of Endless Frontier: Vannevar Bush, Engineer of the American Century.

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BlueinRedState
Posted by: mfander on May 12, 2006 10:27 AM   
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A new low. What will it take to get people angry at the flagrant abuse of the executive branch. With this and other NSA abuses, the current administration is acting as judge, jury, and executioner. I can't believe that my government is outside the law and there seems to be no response. I'm mad as hell and won't take it any more. Protest is in order if no action can be had from our representatives.

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» So What? Posted by: feller
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» RE: So What? Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: So What? Posted by: sgboone
» RE: So What? Posted by: CanuckKid
» RE: So What? Posted by: feller
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» RE: So What? Posted by: defiance demon
» RE: So What? Posted by: feller
» RE: So What? Posted by: Burton
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» RE: So What? Posted by: sgboone
» but he is honest Posted by: jwg
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» NOT AT WAR!!! Posted by: kevintaute
» RE: NOT AT WAR!!! Posted by: feller
Ignorance of the law is no excuse
Posted by: jreinhart1 on May 12, 2006 10:53 AM   
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Those people of the NSA and the heads of the respective telecos that performed this act are guilty of a high level felony. As no one is above the law, these people should be arrested and bail should be set accordingly. Anyone within the White House that gave the green light to perform this act is guilty of not only a felony, but also treason against the people of the United States for conspiracy to undermine the Constitution of the United States of America. Those within the White House that knew of this are accessories to the crime.

The buck stops here and now. We the people are the country and either stand up for what is ours of forever live knowing that it was we, the people, during the time of this Administration, that gave away the most precious possession any people anywhere have ever had.

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» You are absolutely right. So... Posted by: jreinhart1
Bush MUST Lose this Bet!
Posted by: aussidawg on May 12, 2006 11:00 AM   
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President Bush is doing the same thing a small child does by "testing" his limits to see how far he can get before he gets in trouble. Thus far, he has gotten away with murder, treason, violation of the Constitution, violation of internatinal law, perjury the list gos on and on. It would appear that this time, by ordering the NSA tp collect the largest database in history on domestic phone calls and e-mails (and he says this isn't data mining???) he MAY have finally pissed enough people off that some action will FINALLY be taken against him. It's about time, because like the two year old testing his limits...Congress and WE THE PEOPLE, being the responsible guardians we are, need to give this president a serious spanking!!!

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Moyers "The Secret Government" PBS video
Posted by: jreinhart1 on May 12, 2006 11:03 AM   
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This video can be found at video.google.com/videoplay? docid=2397496401234089687&q=secret

Created in 1987, it shows that the NSA has been used for the expansion of the American Empire, operating outside of the legitimate part of the US government.

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Qwest
Posted by: Capybara on May 12, 2006 11:43 AM   
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One of the more comical reactions I've read to this NSA story was a commentator accusing the leakers of treason, since now terrorists will be signing up to Qwest in droves.

A more serious problem is the government's lack of accountability. Who can oversee programs or hold them responsible? What happened to checks and balances?

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» RE: Qwest Posted by: WarHippy
» RE: Where's the Outrage and Anger Over This? Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» 1st & 4th Amendments Posted by: CanuckKid
WarHippy
Posted by: WarHippy on May 12, 2006 12:07 PM   
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"Big Brother is Watching You", was a paranoid look at the future, in the form of a movie back in the late 50's-early 60's. It depicted a cam in every room, making sure the citizens were not plotting against the government. Here in Phoenix, I see cameras all along the freeway, in more and more intersections too, our law enforcers employ new, "stealth" helicopters, and just fudged another tax increase because they need more weapons to fight crime (ie:more choppers), they can hover over your house with hardly a sound, if they turn toward you, they almost disappear, they're armed with heat detectors, chemical sniffers, and I'm sure at close range, they can tap into your phone conversation, invade your computer thru your internet connection, just to see whats new, even move in across the street to keep an eye on who comes and goes. How do I know all this? First, let me say this. I'm a Patriot! I Love my Country! I volunteered for the Army, volunteered for Vietnam, volunteered to stay in Nam for 25 months altogether, was awarded the Bronze Star, Air Medal, and Army Commendation Medal while there. I would rather die than betray my country. But, I'm a member of an outlaw motorcycle club, one of the clubs that were directly involved in the Laughlin Shootout. My phone has been tapped (admitted to by a Phoenix Plain clothes detective who visited me a year ago), my internet connection has been constantly under attack by a hacker for two years now, and my phone service and internet provider is Qwest, the only major phone service that denied handing over phone records. Maybe, instead, they just gave the Feds uncontrolled access to phones and computers directly. Qwest, by the way, was recently purchased by Microsoft. If you do a "GOOGLE" search for the program 'advapi32.dll', you'll see that around the year 2000, a scandal about '2 back doors', discovered in every version of windows from Windows 98 forward, and the back doors led directly to Microsoft and the NSA respectively, which, to the layman means, either of those two organizations have the means to access your computer any time they get an urge. This government is under the delusion that they have to right to do anything they want and hide behind the all enveloping "Homeland Security Act". And I go outside once or twice a night and catch that 'stealth' chopper hovering over my house. Maybe I'm suspect because I speak out and voice my opinion that powers in this country were involved and planned 9-1-1 for the express purpose of blaming Saddam, and invading his country(HINT:for oil). I'm a Patriot! I Love my country! I proved my loyalty in an unpopular war. Since they choose to scrutinize me so closely, my opinion would have to be that, whoever gave the order to trash my Constitutional Rights, has a hidden agenda that is the root cause of that decision. This IS the future, Big Brother IS watching us!!
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Can You Hear Me Now??!!
Posted by: Baranga on May 12, 2006 12:31 PM   
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The American people are going to sit down for this like they have hundreds of times before. Bush will explain that all this was "legal" according to some inane interpretation of current statutes and the American sheeple will say "baa baa" in acquiescence and the whole thing will be forgotten in less than a week or until news that Brad and Angelina had their baby. America is going down and there is no stopping it now. Can't wait to see how many here at Alternet end up in some KBR internment camp because they muttered "someone needs to kill that SOB before he starts WWIII" over their Verizon Wireless Phone - CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW??

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» the sheeple united Posted by: Burton
this is SO MUCH MORE important than progressive taxation and universal healthcare
Posted by: cry0fan on May 12, 2006 12:32 PM   
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I guess that is why our stalwart Left is all over this....

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Contact your phone companies
Posted by: adamread on May 12, 2006 1:26 PM   
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Let's let our phone companies know what we think about their collusion with the NSA (or thank them for not cooperating). I sent these:

To Verizon:

I am very dismayed to hear that Verizon is breaking the law by releasing private data to the NSA without a court order. This also goes against the stated privacy policy of Verizon:

"...we will share your personally identifiable information with persons or entities outside the company only when you have consented.

An example of when we would disclose personally identifiable information to an outside person or entity is when we are served with a subpoena for customer information. In such cases, we are required to release the information. Another example would be if we share personally identifiable information with other carriers and/or with law enforcement to prevent and investigate fraud and other unlawful use of communications services. A third example would be if we share with our affiliates personally identifiable information related to products or services you currently receive from them or us."


I will cancel my service with Verizon when my contract expires.


To Qwest:
I want to thank you for refusing to turn over phone records to the NSA without a court order. I'm glad you respect your customer's rights and the right to privacy afforded by our Constitution.

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China should rule the world instead of irresponsible jokers
Posted by: incognito on May 12, 2006 1:41 PM   
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I tuned in to Colbert. And have seen the non-reaction from the yes-corps. Social Network Analysis on everyone in the US?

1) Why is the government so interested in how people operate and interact together as groups?

2) Under the guise of terrorism, with respect to an event that was possible planned and definitely permitted to happen, is it not clear that the main use of this would be to identify who is a political opponent or not?

3) And is it worth the cost? In sheer billions alone? Let alone constitutional violations by those sworn to protect and uphold it?

4) Is democracy not worthless when those who control the voting machines decide instead of the people themselves?

5) How can Congress not know of this? How far have things deteriorated if that's the case?

6) Are you suprised? You've been screwing the rest of the world like this. Welcome to our world!

Looks like Osama won. He's managed to have the sort of effect on the US that he apparently wanted to. Bush managed to transform worldwide admiration and worldwide sympathy to worldwide contempt and hatred. Talk about alchemy, turning lead to gold ... it really exists, but in reverse!

Gregg, I've always known that there were deep problems and suspected this sort of thing. But a Washington Post poll shows that 63% of Americans think this is a reasonable thing to do to fight terrorism (never mind that they are creating more of it by the Iraq debacle, not the other way around), and that statistically, there is more to fear from drunk driving than from these attacks ...

Am not so surprised. After all, this is the same nation that produced (and tolerated) McCarthy, Nixon etc. What saddens me is that the nation was founded to escape from people such as these.

The new Roman empire is here. The old empire descended from a highly disciplined entity to a decadent place that only people like me nostalgically hanker for. Except that decadence is fun, whereas this is just creepy.

Maybe I was also brainwashed into thinking that America was the good guys. No longer. Twice they voted Bush in. That should say enough.

But sympathy? Not at all. It is fine to spy on third world helpless folks like us who have no rights and no vote. I'm glad that the same complacent people are now going to be hoist by their own petard and appalled at the double standards where they criticize China.

China looks like a positively warm and cuddly teddy bear compared to the Orwellian land that America has become. Complete with the doublespeak, the surveillance and Big Brother, so kind as to watch over you.

Could you let me know what the basic problem is? If it is simply stupidity, then I have a lot of hope for the black man, who up to this day has been criticized and painted as being congenitally defective.

Compared to what I am seeing, we need to redefine both words, congenital + defective to encapsulate the somnolent, ignorant, biased, hypocritical, idiotic nation that you have become.

PS: I live in Ghana. It's a real democracy compared to your banana republic ...

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I ditched Verizon and AT&T
Posted by: funtime42 on May 12, 2006 1:47 PM   
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Switched my phone service yesterday afternoon. I was pleased to find out I wasn't the first call they had, but those folks at AT&T were pretty snarky!

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» RE: I ditched Verizon and AT&T Posted by: CanuckKid
Ben Stein, actor-Republican, calls for taxing the rich. But where is the PseudoLeft on this?
Posted by: cry0fan on May 12, 2006 2:09 PM   
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Ben Stein, well known actor-Republican, former Nixon speech writer, in the NY Times is calling for increasing taxation of the rich.

But why is this clarion call not being picked up by the FauxLeft? Why isn't there a immediate reaction to this by the online netroots? Why is this plastered all over websites like DU or Alternet or KOS? This is FAR more important than the NSA spying or Colbert, gay rights, hitchhiking, or any of the other pseudoLeft nonsense.

Nothing. You could hear a pin drop.

I suspect Stein will soon be persona non grata with both the Right and the PseudoLeft....

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» actually... Posted by: brasilaron
Which Liar would you vote for?
Posted by: gonzoskismet on May 12, 2006 4:13 PM   
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We got one liar that says 'We are not spying on the American people.' We had one liar that said 'I did not have sex with that woman.' Now, I personally, don't care who you are screwing. That's your business. But when you're screwing me and in secret at that, I don't give a rats ass what your excuses are, it pisses me off. And then, when you lie to me about screwing me, I get even more pissed off. Now, my question to the American Senate and House of Representatives is this...Just what have these guys got to do before you take action against them to stop it? Rape babies on national television? Is there any travesty these guys can commit that will inspire you to protect any of the people of America besides yourselves?
From the view point I'm looking from the only thing that is
screwed here is the concept of Democracy. The grave has already been dug, the coffin has been lowered and the only thing left to do is throw the dirt in.

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» sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
Sue?
Posted by: brad on May 12, 2006 4:15 PM   
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I was talking to a friend who is also a lawyer, and he said that all of the people who's phone records could have strong class action law suit cases. These phone companies broke the law and gave out records to the government, it is no different than when companies illegally sell your records to other companies. I think it is a stratagie that may have traction.

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» RE: Sue? Posted by: peacefulaim
» Kill the Lawyers Posted by: feller
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» RE: Kill the Lawyers Posted by: aussidawg
Why do you think this will change anything?
Posted by: Wish on May 12, 2006 4:38 PM   
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Clinton got almost impeached for, let's say, an 'indiscretion' and not being totally honest about it.
This Bush of yours, together with his cronies, commits one atrocious crime after the other, and he's still in office. Of course, the bigger the crime, the louder "for freedom and democracy" is proclaimed. Or "for the people"...That's what you hear in every dictatorship and 'revolution'.
Oh yeah, and throw in 'the constitution' for good measures. That's always a good one to be used for ones own purposes.

I read all these stories about the monstrocities, on all levels, in your country. About how 'people' are getting fed up. And what has changed? What has really changed?! As far as I can tell nothing. All this talk about the president should be impeached, and whatever else. He should have years ago. His cronies should have gone to jail for committed crimes.
And still he, and they, are defended. Still the ones who should stand up for the people, democracy, freedom, stand by doing nothing.
In the weird concept you call democracy, a 2 party system where none of the 2 parties would ever give up any of the power and absurd amount of money involved, clearing the way for true democracy, why is it that the party that should protect the people, does so little?
Why is it americans let themselves be subdued this much? Why do they let themselves be ruled by fear? Why do they have the life sucked out of them by socalled 'christianity'? Which, by the way, has NOTHING to do with Jezus, the Christ, who, I remind you, renounced worldy power, while these extremist 'christians' only want worldy power, to have your lives as restrictive as stray jackets, led by nothing but hatred instead of love, compassion and "rejoice" the way Jezus taught.
Power and money all go to the rich. The poor just get poorer. So much gets invested into the destructive ways of militarism, and so little in true human progress.

All this, and so much more, happening, and people writing articles, some people even going out to protest...Do you really think it makes a dent into the fortresses of the ones who really run the show? They will keep finding ways to have their dictatorship (and name it even louder 'freedom and democracy'). And you, the people, are just pawns.
Things will not change if you even manage to impeach your current president. You'd have to go to the root of the rotten system. Can you? Will you?

Now don't get me wrong, my wishes go towards song nr 7 of Neil Young's latest record. But as history shows (and the recent history so much more), people tend to have very short memories and it almost seems many people WANT to be ruled by fear. Which makes, however much the turmoil is right now, that at moment when it matters - say the November elections - people might just turn again to the utter false notion of what they think might give them a safe and secure feeling. Forgetting about the crimes...

Of all the things I read, I see many good people taking actions. But is that enough? So far your president (and again: and his cronies) has gotten away with EVERYTHING.

The US made an invasion act towards my country: if any american would be held in the war crimes court in The Hague, the US has given itself the 'right' to invade my country and 'free' this american. Basically, this is a declaration of war. To one of the longest standing allies of the US.
A government who does this, will stop at nothing. And every event proves that they won't.
So forgive me my cynicism: how do you think you will ever stop all this? And that means much, much more than impeaching your president. Though it would be a good start.

Tell me: what are your plans beyond that??!

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» So, you're Dutch. Posted by: mokidugway
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» RE: So, you're Dutch. Posted by: Wish
» RE: So, you're Dutch. Posted by: mokidugway
There is one guaranteed solution to defeating these scoundrels...
Posted by: SeverelyJaded on May 12, 2006 7:34 PM   
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If you want to take away their power, humanity must cooperate to stop using money. Until that happens, everyone has a ring through the nose and this world will be forever enslaved to those that control money.

Most people have no idea that the common-denominator math of all the world's currencies forms an endless loop that generates debt faster than we can ever generate the value to pay for it. Those who scoff at this analysis have simply failed to do the math. Consequently, this civilization is verifiably based on purposeful and institutionalized deception, coercion, and exploitation. The time is long overdue to change the human equation and end the root causes of most injustice and suffering.

When the full scope of human civilization is analyzed, it becomes abundantly clear that its pillars are money, religion, and politics. Of the three, money is by far the most important because politics and religion rely on it for existence. All three are great deceptions (strong lies) secretly managed by the Vatican and its secret society cohorts. This fact has been expertly hidden over the last two centuries. Money, religion and politics are Machiavellian deceptions whose common purpose is mass exploitation. Very few people understand that all three are tightly synchronized and interdependent logic traps. Consequently, to continue trying to win at such long-term and highly developed shell (and shill) games is absolute folly. Until we turn away from such obvious delusions, humanity’s great struggles and suffering will never end.

There is no true freedom nor freewill in the presence of such pervasive and institutionalized deception and exploitation. People have struggled for millennia trying to form working societies based on these three great follies. Those efforts always eventually fail because the inherent injustice and deception at the root of these concepts always leads to chaos and destruction. How long must it take before verifiable wisdom is finally valued over such long-term and self-evident folly? How much longer will it take for good people to grow tired of such obvious lies and turn away from deceptive leaders and their deceptions?

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angryspittle
Posted by: Vinnie on May 12, 2006 8:10 PM   
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OK.

Have you goddamn blind Bushbackers had enough?

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Why all the phone calls?
Posted by: kungfoofighterx on May 12, 2006 8:59 PM   
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With all of the calls tracked they (whoever controls the database) could use it to track employees of multinational corps to find out what they are doing. They could then give this information to the highest contributing corp. If the NSA logs the calls they could easily be recording them at the same time. There cant possibly be enough bad guys to warrant the tracking of ALL citizens. This program exist for other reasons such as stealing information from corps, small businesses, lawyers, what ever and give this information to people/organizations who can benefit from it. It could easily be used to find out what rival political groups are doing. Who needs to break into hotels when the NSA is listening and reviewing all the calls made by individuals associated with a political campaign. Ever watch football and see the coaches cover their mouths so the other team cant read their lips. The NSA program will cause the same thing to happen. This is going to make campaigning a whole lot harder. Let alone calling a colleague and discussing confidential information that may be worth considerable money. Anyone could be labeled a bad guy and then their phone calls listened too. Ever talked to anyone on the phone who talked to someone who talked to someone who talked to someone who talked to someone who talked to someone on the Watch list? No one really knows who is on the watch list or how you get on it. You don’t know it, but the NSA does and they have the database to find out.

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» RE: Why all the phone calls? Posted by: peacefulaim
The Little Man Behind the Screen
Posted by: StuartH on May 12, 2006 9:46 PM   
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Six or seven years ago there was a 60 minutes edition that featured an ex-NSA computer expert who wanted to warn the public.

The crux of the interview was a story about a housewife in the midwest somewhere that was talking on the phone with a neighbor and was going on and on about her son's performance in the school play the night before. She said he "bombed" and referred to the school numerous times. This caused the computer to pull her up for special scrutiny since she had used a key word combination. Apparently the NSA system was able to use a kind of Google search in monitoring all electronic communications back several years before 9/11.

What is disturbing is an Administration and a Republican base of support that sees Orwell's 1984 as an instruction manual.

What is even more disturbing is an apparent majority of Americans who don't see the issue. According to polls, some 60% think that, since they are innocent, that this is not a threat to them.

A lot of people who have been wrongly accused of something they never even heard of over the course of history would disagree. Republicans profit from ignorance once again.

There needs to be a lot of hell raised over this. It needs to be made clear that we are on the road to a new medieval sort of reality if Americans don't wake up. The average suburbanite who doesn't feel touched by such issues needs to be reached by a lot of hullabaloo. This could destroy America. It is really a whole lot more of a threat than a few terrorists with bombs could ever hope to be. This is worse than the Iraq war. And that is saying something.

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Why is it illegal
Posted by: popsicle67 on May 12, 2006 11:18 PM   
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Advertisers and congressmen have access to mush the same information and they are much more invasive than the NSA is.

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» RE: Why is it illegal Posted by: WarHippy
» RE: Why is it illegal Posted by: Livemike
Business as usual..
Posted by: AMBRO68 on May 13, 2006 1:37 AM   
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This government can get away with what it wants no matter how many demonsrations are held or whatever so what's the use. Please tell me because I would like to know!!! Because whatever i do legally to break the chains that bind us all and I see many other people due the same nothing changes ...NOTHING CHANGES..IT's BUSINESS AS USUAL.

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» RE: Business as usual.. Posted by: peacefulaim
Tennessee Tuxedo
Posted by: WarHippy on May 13, 2006 3:01 AM   
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...And one NSA Special Ops Agent turned to the other Special Agent and said, "Maax? Do you really think we have the capability to monitor EVERY American?" And Max replied, "99, we have the capability to monitor every phone call in the world!". Agent 99 gives Agent 86 a sexy, demure smile, bends down to pretend she's picking up a dropped pencil, letting Maxwell Smart see that she forgot her panties that morning, straightens back up and says with a little pout on her face, "But Maaaax, how does something that intricate work?". Agent 86 hastily moved his top hat to cover his groin area, so Agent 99 would not see that he had developed a little pee pee hard, and replied, "99, here at the NSA, we can do ANYTHING, except believe in God or anybody's rights to privacy, it's simple how this works, I'll just call everybody I ever tattled on in school, and just not hang up, and soon we'll have every phone tapped permanently, then we'll just bring over some trained monkeys from, say, QWEST to man the phone lines, and once a year we can even have a MD Telethon and divert the proceeds into our own pockets." Agent 99 batted her false eyelashes at Agent 86 and said with admiration, "Max, yer so smart, and such a turn-on, I could almost give up bein a lesbian for you." And Max replied, "While I'm making these phone calls, 99, instead of those sweet words, can ya get that dildoe from behind my desk and put it in my arse, and grab inside my pants and give Mr. Whoopee a couple of tugs too?" And 99 said, "Maaa-aaaax, you know my rules, I don't handle dangerous weapons and your pee pee is almost a whole inch long, and the only dildoe I could find behind your desk was the chief, do you want him head first or bottoms up the bottom?" Agent 86 replied with his eyes already glassing over from excitement, "99, who do I look like, Richard Gere? Not head first, I don't have any pliers, and I'm giving you an Executive order, WHACK MY PEE PEE!!"
And so goes another typical day that us taxpayers foot the bill for...........Did ya ever notice, every time some stray cat drags a bush into the White House, we goto war. Whats that about? Oh Yeah, OIL!!

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» Highway 61 Not Revisted Posted by: feller
Six Degrees of Separation...
Posted by: MsEithne on May 13, 2006 4:50 AM   
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This whole NSA thing is making me into a local prophet. I've been arguing with friends that when citizens give away any individual freedoms without a fight, governments get pushier and want even more power. Doesn't take long before those governments walk right over the line into illegality.

Remember the game "Six Degrees of Separation"? Pick a famous person and then work out how closely connected anyone else is connected to that person.

I figured out that I'm three degrees of separation from Osama bin Laden. No, I'm not anyone famous, I'm not in government and I don't know anyone from the Middle East. I do have a friend who was a reporter. She worked with Peter Arnett. Peter Arnett interviewed Osama bin Laden in 1997.

I'm sure that the vast majority of US citizens have some such connection with bin Laden. On those grounds I'm sure that Bush et al. could rationalize investigating any of us for links to terrorism.

I've been predicting this ever since the Patriot Act was passed.

What amazes me is that FISA is practically a rubberstamp court. They've only denied a handful out of thousands of requests. And yet the Bush administration found even this low bar too much to deal with.

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Senator Feinstein and the Intelligence Subcommittee
Posted by: WarHippy on May 13, 2006 5:53 AM   
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Here's an e-mail that I sent to Senator Dianne Feinstein from California, ranking Democrat in the House(I think), and also part of some subcommittee having to do with Intelligence for our government. It was returned to me unread, because I sent it from Arizona, instead of California. I guess it's your loss Senator, maybe the Republican Senator from Maine is more receptive to the people:
Dear Senator Feinstein,
The topic of this e-mail involves the NSA's Headlines and my knowledge and probably stored proof on one of my computers, of QWEST's knowledge and co-operation in the wire-tapping and
viscious hacking of my computers. The wire-tapping was admitted to me by a Phoenix Plain Clothes detective last year, when him and his partner visited me to ask why I had stirred up the (other outlaw club). I told him that I accidentally walked up to their booth, and when I saw the patches all around me, I turned and walked away quickly. He then asked if I knew a(other outlaw club member) . I told him that I'd met him a couple of times, but didn't know him. He named a date, and stated that there was a call made to him from my phone. I told him that one of myclub Brothers from Cal. was there, and the phone call was to setup a time to discuss peace and co-existence between our two clubs. Then, I said, "Well, if you've had my phone tapped that long,
you must be the ones hacking my computers looking for info, haven't ya found out by now that there is no club info on my computers?". He never denied the wiretapping, just said, "Somebody's hacking into your computers?" That part surprised him. The date he named that the phone call was placed
was well before the shootout at Laughlin, because we did meet with The Arizona State Prez, we would have been shot on sight after the Laughlin incident. So, that means the phone tap is at
least 4 years old, and the computer hacking is two years this month. The hacking was so viscious that for almost 9 months, I was only able to access the internet for 1 or 2 days a month, and when I finally got angry because Qwest would not help me with the hacking, even tho I provided logfiles, I switched to Cox Cable, and both invasions of my privacy made the transition. I had Cox Cable for a month and a half before I finally got internet access, but I saw the modem blinking constantly, because I was being blocked while somebody else was accessing my computers freely. And Cox wouldn't help, either, so you can probably add them to the list of NSA conspirators. I thought of contacting Qwest and telling them I'd keep quiet if they offered me enough compensation for the mental strain this has caused, but then I thought of my little girl, and how the obsession with getting rid of the hacker had caused me to miss two years of participating in her life, growing up (she's 12 1/2 now), no amount of money can make up for the enjoyment of watching her grow, and I'll never be able to regain those precious moments. I also sent an e-mail to Senator Olympia Stone, as I felt this issue spans the parties, and for a change, the parties should take the same stance and purge this country of the trusted servants who decided to be above the Law. Even though I'm a member of a club that is considered outlaw, we do have our own 5 Commandments that we try to live by.
Dear Senator Stone,
I'm contacting you because your name stuck in my mind as one of the Lawmakers who aren't too pleased with our President's behaviour in office. I tried to respond to a few news articles concerning the NSA's spying practices. Funny thing though, every time I tried to submit this response, my internet connection disappeared. Maybe if you read it, you might see some importance in the public having the opportunity to view the truths that I have recorded here. If not, can you please send a read receipt so I know you've received it at least?

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Apathy and Power to the People
Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on May 13, 2006 8:22 AM   
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Dear G. Pascal Zachary, . . .

I appreciate your hope; yet, I am feeling apprehensive. Mr. Zachary you write . . .
“President Bush is betting that Americans are willing to hand his government vast, unchecked powers over the most intimate data in their lives.”
According to the ABC News, Washington Post poll, they are.

For me, what has been the saddest progression in the last decades is apathy. I truly think the fluff and fervor began under Reagan, though the charisma of John F. Kennedy and the “Making of A President” was also a media marvel.

Activist aged and many acquired an attitude of “acceptance.” The idea of questioning authority was altered in my mind. “Appropriateness” became rallying cry. “ Adults” forgot; they are the authority. They are the power and government. In America, by definition government is of, by, and for the people.

I offer my missive on the topic.
NSA, NOT SPYING ON AMERICANS ©
It is as much a plea to “take the power back” as it is informative. I invite you and your readers to read, reflect, and offer opinions. My hope is we all will act as the force we all are. “Power to the people!”

It is only the giving that makes us what [who] we are. - Ian Anderson. Jethro Tull. . . Betsy L. Angert
Be-Think

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Protect the Terrorists
Posted by: TWilliams on May 13, 2006 10:53 AM   
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I think this is a hoot. 60%+ of Americans think it is OK to do this yet the powers that want to protect drug dealers, terrorists and pedophiles want it to stop. Americans have no clue how many crimes have been prevented by this "snooping."

How many innocent American's have been jailed or had their lives ruined because of this? I can't count one. How many criminal acts have been prevented? Probably thousands. I guess the need of protecting criminals is more important than stopping another 9/11.

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» Finally Common Sense Posted by: feller
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» Protect the Admin Posted by: CanuckKid
Bush is a dictator?
Posted by: TWilliams on May 13, 2006 11:07 AM   
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I even get a laugh that Bush is a dictator. My liberties have not been effected at all. Are the men in big black boots storming into my house late at night rounding up my family and possessions: No. Has this happened to many Americans?

It is worrisome that many Americans want to weaken domestic security - and what for? Who care is the government knows what books I read at the library? Does it really matter? If someone goes to the library and takes out books on how to make bombs and book on how to make meth then I get worried. Drugs and violence are rampant in our country.

The majority of the people who worry about minor transgressions of our liberties have the money to protect themselves in gated co