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You know the Verizon ad where a lockstep crowd personifies the network that accompanies its customer everywhere? Well, within that seemingly friendly horde, a high-tech Big Brother is lurking.
Most people know that when they make a mobile call--during a 911 emergency, for example--authorities can access phone company technology to pin down their location, sometimes to within a few feet.
A lesser-known fact: Cell phone companies can locate you any time you are in range of a tower and your phone is on. Cell phones are designed to work either with global positioning satellites or through "pings" that allow towers to triangulate and pinpoint signals. Any time your phone "sees" a tower, it pings it.
That is what happened last month when a New York City murder highlighted the existence of the built-in capability of phones to locate people even when they aren't making calls.
The case of Imette St. Guillen captivated the New York City media as only the murder of a young, attractive, middle-class, white female can. One piece of evidence leading to the arrest of Darryl Littlejohn, the bouncer at the club where St. Guillen was last seen, was what police called "cell phone records." In fact, it was not an actual call that placed Littlejohn at the crime scene. Instead, according to the New York Daily News, police traced Littlejohn's route the day of the murder by tracking the "pings" of his cell phone, which were "stored" in a tower and "later retrieved from T-Mobile by cops."
Telecom companies and government are not eager to advertise that tracking capability. Nor will companies admit whether they are archiving the breadcrumb trail of pings from a cell phone so that they--or authorities--can trace back, after the fact, where the customer had been at a particular time. "Of course, there is that capability," says Bruce Schneier, chief technical officer with Counterpane Internet Security. "Verizon and the other companies have access to that information and the odds are zero that they wouldn't sell it if it is legal and profitable. This is capitalism after all."
But legality can be so tricky to pin down, especially when national security and corporate profits are involved. Communications companies and government have been repeatedly caught collaborating in highly questionable practices. Warrantless wiretapping, now sparking cries for Bush's impeachment, was implemented by the NSA accessing the "gateway" switches that route calls around the globe. Most of these switches are controlled by AT&T, MCI and Sprint.
Recently, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) said it had internal AT&T documents and a sworn statement by retired AT&T technician Mark Klein showing that the company's use of a "dragnet surveillance" was "diverting Internet traffic into the hands of the NSA wholesale."
It is likely that authorities are also accessing cell phone call records and conducting real-time tracing of hapless Palestinians who donated to clinics and liberal activists who dared march for peace. And if the administration's record is a guide, it is interpreting privacy protection laws relating to cell phones in ways that bend and perhaps batter the Constitution.
"I think there's a substantial worry that location information about cell phone users is being released without a court order," EFF Staff attorney Kevin Bankston told CNN.
Echoing the Bush administration's rationale for warrantless wiretapping, the Justice Department argues that time lost justifying a search warrant can mean dangerous delays. Several judges around the country have disagreed. Citing officials' failure to show probable cause, they have denied government requests for cell phone tracking. According to EFF, a New York magistrate revealed that "the Justice Department had routinely been using a baseless legal argument to get secret authorizations from a number of courts, probably for many years."
"Justice Department officials countered that courts around the country have granted many such orders in the past without requiring probable cause," the Oct. 28 Washington Post reported.
Real-time tracking technology also opens disturbing entrepreneurial opportunities. Anyone who provides their kids, spouse or employees with a software-readied cell phone can secretly monitor them on the web. Wherify.com "locates loved ones within feet/meters in about a minute," and allows subscribers to "view location on both street and aerial mapping, to include date/time stamp, lat/long and block address" and "set breadcrumb schedule for periodic locates." Another Internet business promises to sell you the calling records for any phone number you provide. (Note to readers: If you have Karl Rove's number, I'll cough up the $100 fee to get a look.)
But as far as invasiveness goes, the ability of the government to secretly track and find you anywhere, anytime, ranks right up with a pelvic exam in Times Square.
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Posted by: inthewoods on May 11, 2006 1:47 PM
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There is no room for any sort of trust left in this country thanks to this administration, a sleeping citizenry, and corporate power.
And, no where to hide.
What have we all let happen to this magnificent country with its endless opportunities for growth, freedom, and evolution. We have allowed its destruction. And now, I fear we have become powerless and the future of this once-was republic looks evil.
Is it time to start burning the so-called christians yet. This is all happening in the name of Christ who must be rolling in His Heavenly Home.
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Posted by: pilcher19 on May 11, 2006 5:05 PM
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I'm relieved to be over sixty and possibly of the last generation who will remember real freedom, such as was fought for by millions - the simple joy of being anonymous, private, and, if desired, answerable to no one. The delights of travel and discovery? Hardly worth it. Who wants to pay for the privilege of being treated like a criminal? I'll take my chances with 'terrorist' attacks, far more likely to be struck by lightning.
The new world order is not a life worth living; it is a new kind of enslavement (which will doubtless be beloved by governments everywhere as they move from the pretence of democracy to complete totalitarianism). It appears folks are too easily scared and have no backbone these days.
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Posted by: CJC on May 11, 2006 5:41 PM
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Anyone who hasn't read Orwell's "1984" or not recently ought to pronto!
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Posted by: mykal on May 12, 2006 7:12 AM
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» Here's how (for my phones at least)
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» Even where you turn OFF the GPS tracking, your location is still tracked!!!!!
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 12, 2006 7:58 AM
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The President-Select spoke today on the issue, claiming it was all about tracking down Al Queda - that secretive all-powerful global terror network - remarkably similar to the one that Rumsfeld the Committe on the Present Danger claimed the Soviet Union was running in the early 80's. What about the Timothy McVeigh crowd? Biggest terrorist attack in the US until 9/11. Is illegal spying okay when it comes to monitoring McVeigh lookalikes?
It seems that everything we do goes into a database - every phone call, every email, every visit to a web site, every use of a credit card or ATM machine. This database of phone call records is surely just the tip of a giant illegal iceberg. Impeachment is needed!
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Posted by: mite on May 12, 2006 8:45 AM
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Our liberty's and rights are being destroyed a little at a time through conditioning and silent weapons of war (FEAR) since the early history of the U.S.
This is a war upon us by the `Elite' powerful individuals that control the finances of the world. Take `WAR' it is all about money and power. These individuals lend money to the lower class- poor, middle class, foreign countries and when they get wise or cannot pay, these financial institutions have the government leaders send in the Marines. Then after the war or genicide is over they lend money to rebuild the country and steal the resources and labor.
How do they keep the secrets? They plan and use major events in the world (911) to declare war. Then they use every means available to keep the secrets from us.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on May 12, 2006 10:52 AM
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Logic would tell you that if it was so essential that they have this information they would have gotten the FISA Order. If they did not need the FISA order, they could have taken the data from Quest. The fact that they did not pursue this with Quest tells you that the Bush practice of avoiding FISA is on shaky legal ground-- and they know it.
In the inverted language of Bushworld security is insecurity, truth is a lie and denial is a confession. 'W' says they were not trolling and have the right to do this. If so, why do the facts concerning Quest stand out like a whore in Church?
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Hope you're happy he never gave up on you. His book is a FREE download and the solution to this situation is yours for the asking. Time is short; perhaps people should stop scoffing and start listening now. Follow the links below, swallow your pride, be patient, and pay attention. Help is only a click away!
Revelations from the Apocalypse
This civilization is rotten to the core
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Posted by: B3 on May 13, 2006 12:55 AM
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Tracing/Tapping phone calls i have a problem with, but a phone tower pinging your phone? It's really a non-issue.
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Posted by: feller on May 13, 2006 7:58 AM
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Posted by: BJT on May 14, 2006 7:58 PM
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And then they go out with their government-issued "driver's license," work at their job they pay the government to work at through their SSNs, and put paychecks into a bank account they couldn't get without that SSN, buy groceries with a card that tracks their every economic move, and never bat an eye.
One day they'll even ask the government for permission to get married, through a "marriage license." Could anything be more absurd?
In fact, they may even be environmentalists, too, attending rallies that beg for MORE socialist government intervention "to stop pollution."
I don't doubt that left-wingers, in their heads, know this administration to be 100% fascist. What I do doubt is whether they believe it enough in their guts to do something more about it than hold placards and "protest" and vote for Democrats.
sorce190.com - learn how to change your life and get off the fascist's grid
http://mises.org/story/2136 - understand the economics of environmentalism, and how the best solution is NOT greater government regulation.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on May 15, 2006 10:44 AM
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We might as well wear tracking devices around our ankles. I'm fed up with governmental meddling and shame on these communications companies for handing over phone records.
Disconnect me from Verizon.
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Posted by: inthewoods on May 11, 2006 1:47 PM
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There is no room for any sort of trust left in this country thanks to this administration, a sleeping citizenry, and corporate power.
And, no where to hide.
What have we all let happen to this magnificent country with its endless opportunities for growth, freedom, and evolution. We have allowed its destruction. And now, I fear we have become powerless and the future of this once-was republic looks evil.
Is it time to start burning the so-called christians yet. This is all happening in the name of Christ who must be rolling in His Heavenly Home.
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» This is sarcasm, no?
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Posted by: pilcher19 on May 11, 2006 5:05 PM
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I'm relieved to be over sixty and possibly of the last generation who will remember real freedom, such as was fought for by millions - the simple joy of being anonymous, private, and, if desired, answerable to no one. The delights of travel and discovery? Hardly worth it. Who wants to pay for the privilege of being treated like a criminal? I'll take my chances with 'terrorist' attacks, far more likely to be struck by lightning.
The new world order is not a life worth living; it is a new kind of enslavement (which will doubtless be beloved by governments everywhere as they move from the pretence of democracy to complete totalitarianism). It appears folks are too easily scared and have no backbone these days.
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Posted by: CJC on May 11, 2006 5:41 PM
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Anyone who hasn't read Orwell's "1984" or not recently ought to pronto!
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» Please show me any evidence
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» Here's how (for my phones at least)
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» Even where you turn OFF the GPS tracking, your location is still tracked!!!!!
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 12, 2006 7:58 AM
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The President-Select spoke today on the issue, claiming it was all about tracking down Al Queda - that secretive all-powerful global terror network - remarkably similar to the one that Rumsfeld the Committe on the Present Danger claimed the Soviet Union was running in the early 80's. What about the Timothy McVeigh crowd? Biggest terrorist attack in the US until 9/11. Is illegal spying okay when it comes to monitoring McVeigh lookalikes?
It seems that everything we do goes into a database - every phone call, every email, every visit to a web site, every use of a credit card or ATM machine. This database of phone call records is surely just the tip of a giant illegal iceberg. Impeachment is needed!
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Posted by: mite on May 12, 2006 8:45 AM
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Our liberty's and rights are being destroyed a little at a time through conditioning and silent weapons of war (FEAR) since the early history of the U.S.
This is a war upon us by the `Elite' powerful individuals that control the finances of the world. Take `WAR' it is all about money and power. These individuals lend money to the lower class- poor, middle class, foreign countries and when they get wise or cannot pay, these financial institutions have the government leaders send in the Marines. Then after the war or genicide is over they lend money to rebuild the country and steal the resources and labor.
How do they keep the secrets? They plan and use major events in the world (911) to declare war. Then they use every means available to keep the secrets from us.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on May 12, 2006 10:52 AM
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Logic would tell you that if it was so essential that they have this information they would have gotten the FISA Order. If they did not need the FISA order, they could have taken the data from Quest. The fact that they did not pursue this with Quest tells you that the Bush practice of avoiding FISA is on shaky legal ground-- and they know it.
In the inverted language of Bushworld security is insecurity, truth is a lie and denial is a confession. 'W' says they were not trolling and have the right to do this. If so, why do the facts concerning Quest stand out like a whore in Church?
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Posted by: SeverelyJaded on May 12, 2006 7:10 PM
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Hope you're happy he never gave up on you. His book is a FREE download and the solution to this situation is yours for the asking. Time is short; perhaps people should stop scoffing and start listening now. Follow the links below, swallow your pride, be patient, and pay attention. Help is only a click away!
Revelations from the Apocalypse
This civilization is rotten to the core
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Posted by: B3 on May 13, 2006 12:55 AM
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Tracing/Tapping phone calls i have a problem with, but a phone tower pinging your phone? It's really a non-issue.
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Posted by: BJT on May 14, 2006 7:58 PM
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And then they go out with their government-issued "driver's license," work at their job they pay the government to work at through their SSNs, and put paychecks into a bank account they couldn't get without that SSN, buy groceries with a card that tracks their every economic move, and never bat an eye.
One day they'll even ask the government for permission to get married, through a "marriage license." Could anything be more absurd?
In fact, they may even be environmentalists, too, attending rallies that beg for MORE socialist government intervention "to stop pollution."
I don't doubt that left-wingers, in their heads, know this administration to be 100% fascist. What I do doubt is whether they believe it enough in their guts to do something more about it than hold placards and "protest" and vote for Democrats.
sorce190.com - learn how to change your life and get off the fascist's grid
http://mises.org/story/2136 - understand the economics of environmentalism, and how the best solution is NOT greater government regulation.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on May 15, 2006 10:44 AM
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We might as well wear tracking devices around our ankles. I'm fed up with governmental meddling and shame on these communications companies for handing over phone records.
Disconnect me from Verizon.
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