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On one side are the companies that pipe the Internet into our homes and businesses. These include telecom giants like AT&T and Verizon and cable companies like Comcast. Call them the pipe companies.
On the other side are the people and businesses that send Internet content through the pipes. Some are big outfits like Yahoo, Google and Amazon, big financial institutions like Bank of America and Citigroup and giant media companies soon to pump lots of movies and TV shows on to the Internet.
But most content providers are little guys. They're mom-and-pop operations specializing in, say, antique egg-beaters or Brooklyn Dodgers memorabilia. They're anarchists, kooks and zealots peddling all sorts of crank ideas They're personal publishers and small-time investigators. They include my son's comedy troupe--streaming new videos on the Internet every week. They also include gazillions of bloggers--including my humble little blog and maybe even yours.
Until now, a basic principle of the Internet has been that the pipe companies can't discriminate among content providers. Everyone who puts stuff up on the Internet is treated exactly the same. The net is neutral.
But now the pipe companies want to charge the content providers, depending on how fast and reliably the pipes deliver the content. Presumably, the biggest content providers would pay the most money, leaving the little content people in the slowest and least-reliable parts of the pipe. (It will take you five minutes to download my blog.) The pipe companies claim unless they start charge for speed and reliability, they won't have enough money to invest in the next generation of networks. This is an absurd argument. The pipes are already making lots of money off consumers who pay them for being connected to the Internet.
The pipes figure they can make even more money discriminating between big and small content providers because the big guys have deep pockets and will pay a lot to travel first class. The small guys who pay little or nothing will just have to settle for what's left. The House bill to be voted on this week would in effect give the pipes the green light to go ahead with their plan.
Price discrimination is as old as capitalism. Instead of charging everyone the same for the same product or service, sellers divide things up according to grade or quality. Buyers willing to pay the most can get the best, while other buyers get lesser quality, according to how much they pay. Theoretically, this is efficient. Sellers who also have something of a monopoly (as do the Internet pipe companies) can make a killing.
But even if it's efficient, it's not democratic. And here's the rub. The Internet has been the place where Davids can take on Goliaths, where someone without resources but with brains and guts and information can skewer the high and mighty. At a time in our nation's history when wealth and power are becoming more and more concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, it's been the one forum in which all voices are equal.
Will the pipe companies be able to end Internet democracy? Perhaps if enough of the small guys make enough of a fuss, Congress may listen. But don't bet on it. This Congress is not in the habit of listening to small guys. The best hope is that big content providers will use their formidable lobbying clout to demand net neutrality. The financial services sector, for example, is already spending billions on information technology, including online banking. Why would they want to spend billions more paying the pipe companies for the Internet access they already have?
The pipe companies are busily trying to persuade big content providers that it's in their interest to pay for faster and more reliable Internet deliveries. Verizon's chief Washington lobbyist recently warned the financial services industry that if it supports net neutrality, it won't get the sophisticated data links it will need in the future. The pipes are also quietly reassuring the big content providers that they can pass along the fees to their customers. Will the big content providers fall for it? Stay tuned for the next episode of Internet democracy versus monopoly capitalism.
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Posted by: talkville on May 12, 2006 2:09 AM
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I think it's time to seriously consider the word democracy d.o.a. -- there seems to be nothing left of it but an arrangement of 9 letters of the alphabet!! Time to throw out those prescriptions, folks, and wake up a little bit - time's a wasting....
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Posted by: wawa on May 12, 2006 4:34 AM
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http://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/
public service message from WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
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Posted by: kungfoofighterx on May 12, 2006 7:35 AM
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Another thought. The public sector depends heavily on the interenet to search databases and dismeminate information. This information typically is in the shape of data files much larger than several pages of text. I cant imagine how much more burden tax payers will have to pay for the extra fees for the bandwidth needed to send all of this information in the public sector. Just imagine how much data the government transmimts everyday.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 12, 2006 7:35 AM
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Blogs are great, but we still rely on the full-time reporters and editors to do the careful fact-checking and to make sure that the story is real. The recent reports in USA Today were preceded by a blogger reports on AT&T activities; also the EFF lawsuit against AT&T was very important (if you want to support someone on this issue, support the Electronic Frontier Foundation).
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Posted by: albiegf13 on May 12, 2006 7:51 AM
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Posted by: robmikejas on May 12, 2006 7:54 AM
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What a time we live in! I'm mad as hell, and I ain't gonna take it anymore!
Richard Wagner
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Posted by: rkewen on May 12, 2006 8:06 AM
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Users already pay extra for improved (ie faster, more bandwidth) access on their end. I, for example, until recently had no option but dial-up because of the relatively remote, rural place I choose to live and lack of infrastructure. Recently though it became possible for me to upgrade to DSL, cable may never happen here. Since my usage really doesn't require more than decent dial-up, I don't feel the need to download feature length movies, I stayed with the service I've been using. Ironically though my local ISP recently raised my monthly fees, because many of their customers have been switching to the DSL and the telecom that owns the lines charges them so much that they have a small margin on the DSL service, so they must maximize their profits on the remaining dial-up customers, many of whom have little or no options.
Ironically the telecom, Telus in this case, just lost a court case because they were overcharging their customers for years. Instead of refunding their customers though they are supposed to use the ill gotten gains to improve infrastrcture in the rural parts of the province. Yet still outlying areas that would like to improve their access always find that they as potential customers have to pony up the money to bring in the basic fiber-optics or point of access.
I imagine instead of bringing fast internet access to the far flung country folk, Telus will most likely just use the "penalty" to make more TeeVee ads with colorful cuddley reptiles and such so the country folk can develop a desire for what they can't have without major investment in infrastructure that then becomes another asset for Telus to exploit.
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Posted by: jreinhart1 on May 12, 2006 8:10 AM
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Posted by: Baranga on May 12, 2006 9:46 AM
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I'm surprised it took these bottom feeders this long to devise such a scam. I mean what could be better than limiting content while generating vastly larger sums of money. This is a win/win for big business and government . . . . Credit card companies have been doing this kind of thing for awhile - offering quicker and more effiecient service to those with higher credit limits and those who carry large balances. Welcome to the 4th Reich!
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Posted by: electricwind on May 12, 2006 11:33 AM
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The big-pipeco's are talking about building the "next generation" of broadband, and this is for delivery TO the consumer. That's us. They need to pay for it, so are laying down the sales pitch to get into the "deep pockets" of elitist corporations who need to believe they're getting something special. What's apparently being overlooked here is the question of, why increase pipe size and speed? Answer: To deliver everything in one pipe: Internet, TV, phone, wireless access, etc.--to the consumer.
WE are the ones who'll benefit. What's being fear-mongered here is that bandwidth is going to diminish for the "little guy." I'm sure if the bandwidth diminished for the little guy, the little guy ain't gonna pay as much as he was for his Internet service, if at all. Even if bandwidth stayed the same (especially when "premium" services exist), prices would have go down. That never happens, so bandwidth would have to increase for the little guy (you'll be able to send your hi-def videos of Baby Jane to Granny with blazing speed).
Internet II will be sponsored by deep pockets--no doubt about that, and if they want to pay bazillions of dollars to run their ad campaigns, VPNs, etc. on it, it's fine with me. But down here on the street, where the buying power really is, is also where the "big pipes" are aimed.
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Posted by: arbiter on May 12, 2006 11:37 AM
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We must realize that the fascists have a soft underbelly--their wallets. If you don't like the economics or the scam if you will, don't buy their crap. Cancel that subscription, avoid internet purchases. don't pay bills online, drive less, DON'T BUY ANYTHING FOR A WEEK.
A nation movement in this direction will have the slobs on their knees. The will be so much gasoline, they won't know what to do with it. Internet businesses will scream like they should be doing right now.
--arbiter
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» word of mouth... bulletin boards... discussion groups...
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Posted by: babs on May 13, 2006 1:34 PM
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just a thought... but wait, that would infringe on their "rights" and horny, six figure (or higher) white guys have cornered the market on rights. Just ask the NRA!
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Posted by: talkville on May 12, 2006 2:09 AM
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I think it's time to seriously consider the word democracy d.o.a. -- there seems to be nothing left of it but an arrangement of 9 letters of the alphabet!! Time to throw out those prescriptions, folks, and wake up a little bit - time's a wasting....
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Posted by: wawa on May 12, 2006 4:34 AM
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http://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/
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Posted by: kungfoofighterx on May 12, 2006 7:35 AM
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Another thought. The public sector depends heavily on the interenet to search databases and dismeminate information. This information typically is in the shape of data files much larger than several pages of text. I cant imagine how much more burden tax payers will have to pay for the extra fees for the bandwidth needed to send all of this information in the public sector. Just imagine how much data the government transmimts everyday.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 12, 2006 7:35 AM
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Blogs are great, but we still rely on the full-time reporters and editors to do the careful fact-checking and to make sure that the story is real. The recent reports in USA Today were preceded by a blogger reports on AT&T activities; also the EFF lawsuit against AT&T was very important (if you want to support someone on this issue, support the Electronic Frontier Foundation).
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Posted by: albiegf13 on May 12, 2006 7:51 AM
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Posted by: robmikejas on May 12, 2006 7:54 AM
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What a time we live in! I'm mad as hell, and I ain't gonna take it anymore!
Richard Wagner
Scottsdale, Arizona
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Posted by: rkewen on May 12, 2006 8:06 AM
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Users already pay extra for improved (ie faster, more bandwidth) access on their end. I, for example, until recently had no option but dial-up because of the relatively remote, rural place I choose to live and lack of infrastructure. Recently though it became possible for me to upgrade to DSL, cable may never happen here. Since my usage really doesn't require more than decent dial-up, I don't feel the need to download feature length movies, I stayed with the service I've been using. Ironically though my local ISP recently raised my monthly fees, because many of their customers have been switching to the DSL and the telecom that owns the lines charges them so much that they have a small margin on the DSL service, so they must maximize their profits on the remaining dial-up customers, many of whom have little or no options.
Ironically the telecom, Telus in this case, just lost a court case because they were overcharging their customers for years. Instead of refunding their customers though they are supposed to use the ill gotten gains to improve infrastrcture in the rural parts of the province. Yet still outlying areas that would like to improve their access always find that they as potential customers have to pony up the money to bring in the basic fiber-optics or point of access.
I imagine instead of bringing fast internet access to the far flung country folk, Telus will most likely just use the "penalty" to make more TeeVee ads with colorful cuddley reptiles and such so the country folk can develop a desire for what they can't have without major investment in infrastructure that then becomes another asset for Telus to exploit.
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Posted by: Baranga on May 12, 2006 9:46 AM
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I'm surprised it took these bottom feeders this long to devise such a scam. I mean what could be better than limiting content while generating vastly larger sums of money. This is a win/win for big business and government . . . . Credit card companies have been doing this kind of thing for awhile - offering quicker and more effiecient service to those with higher credit limits and those who carry large balances. Welcome to the 4th Reich!
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Posted by: electricwind on May 12, 2006 11:33 AM
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The big-pipeco's are talking about building the "next generation" of broadband, and this is for delivery TO the consumer. That's us. They need to pay for it, so are laying down the sales pitch to get into the "deep pockets" of elitist corporations who need to believe they're getting something special. What's apparently being overlooked here is the question of, why increase pipe size and speed? Answer: To deliver everything in one pipe: Internet, TV, phone, wireless access, etc.--to the consumer.
WE are the ones who'll benefit. What's being fear-mongered here is that bandwidth is going to diminish for the "little guy." I'm sure if the bandwidth diminished for the little guy, the little guy ain't gonna pay as much as he was for his Internet service, if at all. Even if bandwidth stayed the same (especially when "premium" services exist), prices would have go down. That never happens, so bandwidth would have to increase for the little guy (you'll be able to send your hi-def videos of Baby Jane to Granny with blazing speed).
Internet II will be sponsored by deep pockets--no doubt about that, and if they want to pay bazillions of dollars to run their ad campaigns, VPNs, etc. on it, it's fine with me. But down here on the street, where the buying power really is, is also where the "big pipes" are aimed.
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» RE: Just the next obvious step...
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Posted by: arbiter on May 12, 2006 11:37 AM
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We must realize that the fascists have a soft underbelly--their wallets. If you don't like the economics or the scam if you will, don't buy their crap. Cancel that subscription, avoid internet purchases. don't pay bills online, drive less, DON'T BUY ANYTHING FOR A WEEK.
A nation movement in this direction will have the slobs on their knees. The will be so much gasoline, they won't know what to do with it. Internet businesses will scream like they should be doing right now.
--arbiter
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» word of mouth... bulletin boards... discussion groups...
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Posted by: babs on May 13, 2006 1:34 PM
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just a thought... but wait, that would infringe on their "rights" and horny, six figure (or higher) white guys have cornered the market on rights. Just ask the NRA!
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