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Happy Housewife vs. Mad Mommy
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More alarmingly, it's not just NASCAR rednecks or James Dobson followers who subscribe to this anti-feminist cant. The breadth of its appeal can be measured by the career of someone like Caitlin Flanagan, who has been a staff writer for two of the nation's most prestigious magazines, the Atlantic Monthly and now the New Yorker. Flanagan's singular claim to fame: her relentless advocacy of the idea that a "good" woman sets aside her needs to serve those of others, a task best achieved by remaining within the confines of the home.
Flanagan, as it turns out, is no happy housewife quietly tending to husband and child, but a "domestic diva" who delegates the actual housework to the less fortunate, leaving her free to wax eloquent about the virtues of homemaking in lengthy essays that have now been turned into a new book, "To Hell With All That: Loving and Loathing Our Inner Housewife."
Yet the very order, harmony and meticulous attention to detail she lauds in the lost arts of housekeeping are conspicuously missing in her own seductive but intellectually sloppy prose. "To Hell With All That" reveals Flanagan as less an intellectual than a literary acrobat, who offers up contorted lines of reasoning and vertiginous leaps of logic, delivered with a fearless indifference to facts. Every discussion of the woes of upper-middle-class life -- sexless marriages, overscheduled children, maternal anxiety -- ends with the same unlikely and wholly unsubstantiated conclusion: "What's missing from so many affluent American households is the one thing you can't buy: the presence of someone who cares deeply and principally about that home and the people who live in it." (This doesn't seem to have stopped Flanagan from "buying" the services of a personal organizer, nanny, gardener and housekeeper to do all that deep caring on her behalf.)
Flanagan may be easy to mock, but her ideas are not as easily dismissed. She is best understood as an eloquent raconteur of a pervasive cultural narrative that recasts modern middle-class life as the proverbial fall from the Eden represented by '50s America:
…a world that seems to me now a bygone age, as remote and unrecoverable as Camelot: a world of good meals turned out in orderly fashion; of fevers cooled without a single frantic call to the pediatrician; of clothes mended and repaired and pressed back into useful service rather than discarded to the rag heap … [of being] assured of safety, continuity, comfort of the highest order.A paradise that was irretrievably lost when the feminist Eve foolishly bit the forbidden apple of economic independence. In Flanagan's writing, the '50s housewife is confident, self-effacingly generous and loving, and, above all, happy, unlike the self-absorbed, neurotic bundle of insecurities that is today's woman. Even the present-day "at-home" mother isn't immune from the pernicious effects of feminism, which has burdened her with both a contempt for housework as "drudgery" and the need to "do things for herself." (The words italicized to better convey the folly of such presumption.)
So off she goes to the movies, the yoga studio, the book club to "feed herself intellectually and emotionally." If middle-class mothers are sleep-deprived, angry, exhausted, unhappy -- as they undoubtedly seem in the many books and surveys -- it is merely fitting punishment for their narcissism, a consequence of the foolish demand for self-fulfillment. Abandon that unreasonable desire, commands Flanagan, and ye shall find the secret to the happiness of your feminine forbears.
Attack her conception of the happy housewife as romantic and you merely confirm her view of feminism, which she accuses of "imposing a certain narrative -- of boredom, of oppression, of despairing uselessness -- on an entire generation of women."
The problem of maternal misery, however, lies not in the ways that the preoccupations of women today are different from those of the post-war generation, but in the ways that they are entirely the same. The source of current-day fears and insecurities can, in fact, be traced to an ideology of motherhood that is nearly a century old.
Motherhood today, as Flanagan describes it, is experienced as "an exquisitely over-wrought enterprise, full of guilt-wracked, sleepless nights and over-worried-about children and the never-ending sense that I'm doing too little or too much or the wrong thing, missing the crucial moments, or somehow warping these perfect creatures." This all-consuming angst stands in contrast to the "unworried ease" and serene sense of purpose exhibited by mothers of yore -- benefits, Flanagan implies, that accrue from their "sense of having somehow been charged with the care of others," which made them paragons of "competence, benevolence, calm authority."
Yet a quick glance at the history books proves the contrary. The primary sources of present-day maternal -- and more generally, parental -- anxiety can be traced back to the '20s, which witnessed the appearance of the first parenting manuals and the birth of Parents Magazine. In his book, "Anxious Parents: The History of Childrearing in America," Peter Stearns charts the rise of child development experts determined to tutor parents on the scientifically correct way to raise a child.
These early experts introduced two key ideas that would determine the future of parenting in America: one, children are fragile, helpless and malleable (as opposed to their hardy, self-sufficient, independent 19th-century predecessors); two, parents, especially mothers, are the single most important factor determining a child's future. Denouncing the dangers of "traditional" childrearing practices allowed these experts to establish the incompetence of "problem" parents, who could not be trusted to rear children without outside intervention.
Cultural anxiety about children sparked by the rise of a mass urban industrial society ratcheted up the demands of parenting even as traditional sources of familial support -- extended families, close-knit rural communities, live-in domestic help -- were rapidly disappearing. By the time Flanagan's beloved '50s rolled around, the anxiety and confusion among mothers had reached new heights, thanks to World War II and the birth of the nuclear suburban family. Ann Hulbert notes in Raising America that a White House conference report, titled "Personality in the Making," described middle-class women as "more or less dissatisfied and unsure of themselves, not certain that what they were doing is of real worth, fearful of failure in a job that is ill-defined."
The various domestic manuals that Flanagan so admiringly quotes as evidence of '50s family life were, in fact, attempts to soothe the nagging sense of ambivalence among American mothers. Far from the epitome of "unworried ease," the American mother of the '50s was, in the words of a New York Times Magazine article of the time, likely to be "torn between embattled forces of Discipline and Permissiveness, dazed by the potential perils of rejection, affection, early weaning, late toilet training and chronic thumb-sucking, traumatized by the fear of causing a trauma." In other words, not all that different from her 21st century counterpart.
Apart from a brief lull during the '70s, the requirements of the maternal role have merely escalated over the decades since. The large-scale entry of women into the workplace has been accompanied by a barrage of confusing, often contradictory models of parenting prompted by each new psychological or neurological "breakthrough." All of these, oddly, require ever greater vigilance and attention. A McCall's survey in 1984 -- a time when a majority of women were working -- revealed that the '80s "super mom" spent nearly three times as much time as her '60s counterpart on cuddling, talking and playing with her children. By the '90s, the expert consensus advocated an intensive regimen that required continual presence and vigilance, be it in the form of attachment parenting or intensive child development techniques.
As "Perfect Madness" author Judith Warner describes it, today's mothers must "not just [be] loving nurturers but educators, entertainers, guardians of environmental purity, protectors of a stable and prosperous future" for their children. But Warner wrongly attributes our readiness to embrace this absurdly demanding version for motherhood on the "impotent control-freakishness" of the present generation. The 20th century -- with its potent mix of scientific and therapeutic advances accompanied by intense social anxiety -- has created an ideology of motherhood that tells women that they can never do enough, and everything they do can hurt their children.
Flanagan's writing is simply the latest iteration of this ideological apparatus that keeps mothers feeling insecure and inadequate. She is no different from the bullying experts who hectored the '50s housewife into beleaguered acquiescence.
If there is a formula for domestic happiness, the first step toward it would be to challenge an oppressive discourse of parenting that curtails any clear-eyed assessment of children's needs. As Stearns notes, the United States is unlike Europe not merely in its lack of childcare options, but also its surfeit of parental anxiety: "And it is more than greater fatigue on the American side: it is constant guilt about whether the right choices are being made, whether the children are being adequately tended."
Over the past 100 years, American culture has increasingly placed on the frail shoulders of parents -- especially mothers -- the responsibility of raising children, a weighty task that for millennia has been shared by the community at large. When dramatic social change creates fears about our children, our solution is to pressure women to do more, and more, and more. The so-called "Mommy Wars" deflect attention from the real problem at hand -- a punitively demanding ideology of parenting that burdens all mothers -- and reframes it as a debate about women who work. It makes it all that much easier to ignore social arrangements that are just plain unworkable.
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Posted by: cry0fan on May 9, 2006 2:51 AM
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Better that the PseudoLeft focus on gender and race in order to keep us distracted from talking about economic populism like all that stuff they have over in Europe, like progressive taxation and universal healthcare.
THe overclass sends ifs grateful thanks!
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Posted by: Moonray on May 9, 2006 3:58 AM
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Still, Flanagan is merely a typical woman writer in that she writes about being put upon and aggrieved, which is the very essence of women's writing these days. (Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I read something by a woman who was not put upon and aggrieved.)
Apparently, this dispute is more about a misalignment of complaints than anything else, although I wish that women would take pity on their readers of both genders and attempt to cast their literature in some other form for a change.
That no doubt is pie in the sky (home-baked or store-bought, take your pick). I'm quite confident that 1,000 years from now this argument, or one like it, will still be raging among the put-upon women of that era, and quite loudly, too.
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Posted by: ceti on May 9, 2006 4:58 AM
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While self-sacrifice and loving attention are more than lacking in this society and that people do spend too much time on their career, for most people, this is not a choice. They have to work so much just to make ends meet. Any argument from those in the upper middle class is no argument at all.
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Posted by: drSooz on May 9, 2006 5:06 AM
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While visiting some neighbors one day while my last baby was still quite young, I remarked that full-time child care was the hardest work I'd ever done with the fewest 'benefits', and the least help from anyone else, including the other parent. The neighbor's macho-s**t-head son chastised me, saying: "YOU'RE the one who wanted to have that baby and stay home to raise her/them!" To which I replied, "Be that as it may, I was NOT alone in the room when she was conceived." The neighbors laughed, their son just growled at my reply.
Unfortunately, in this case, it was like preaching to a deaf congregation without a choir. As rewarding as it was being home for all the baby and child "firsts", it left me with some serious self-esteem issues and doubts as to my "raison d'etre". My kids are now nearly grown but I am still grappling with these issues and the self-doubt left over from those 'work-at-home' days.
When my kids, now adolescents, complain about my wanting "time for myself" I explain patiently that my name was Susan long before it was Mom, and that if Susan isn't allowed some human dignity and time for herself, the 'Mom' part of her will be the worse off for it.
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Posted by: Shakti on May 9, 2006 5:58 AM
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As I reflect on the past decade, I would say the ideal times for me have been those periods when I was able to take a reduction in duties and work part time. I am now on maternity leave (this has been great -- good family leave policies that do not penalize women for having babies are crucial!) and look forward to the next phase of my career.
So, I think it is possible to have the best of both worlds, but only if you abandon the notion of having a Martha Stewart home and only if your employer is family-friendly with sensible and compassionate leave, flex-time, and work-from-home policies.
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Posted by: caitlin on May 9, 2006 6:10 AM
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The same goes for the vast majority of these professional anti-feminist women. Look at Phyllis Schafly, who made a career as a lawyer, public speaker, and political lobbyist by telling women to stay at home, which she herself couldn't even be bothered to do. Or Ann Coulter, who has no problem savaging women who are not married, barefoot and pregnant, but seems to feel it's okay for her to be single and childless well into their forties.
If the prescribed plan laid out by these women was as fabulous and as soul-fortifying as they claim it to be, then I'd love to know why they don't ditch their careers and sprint home immediately.
For reals, I am so over rich privileged assholes who think it's their right to tell the rest of us how to live.
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Posted by: oldwoman on May 9, 2006 6:50 AM
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There's no need to review the impact of our out-of-control population in terms of ravaging resources and contributing to psychic breakdown. Any couple who produces more than two children and any single desperate-to-be-mom who produces more than one child need to educate themselves about the effects of excess population on the planet and the people on the planet--not to mention on the family itself. Kids from large families get less parental nurturing time, simply as a function of mathematics--even without the added quality-time drain of employment. (Haven't figured out how to limit a single man's contribution to the problem other than perhaps inserting a time-sensitive self-detonating vasectomy. And please understand this single, couple thing is simply for purposes of discussion; I'm well aware of the cultural predisposition toward serial monogamy and shifting coupling.)
There has been a television show creeping across the screen from time to time about a family with something like fourteen children and "pregnant again." Every time I've come across it in a channel surf, I feel the need to vomit up the contact ignorance and self-righteousness that particular breeding pair produces. The view of those homogenous genes in homogenous jeans puts me in mind of spring in the garden when an overturned rock can reveal an overgrown colony of any critter--a critter that in reasonable numbers fits the scene--but which in excess numbers can rend the garden's balance to shreds in very short order.
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Posted by: jreinhart1 on May 9, 2006 6:56 AM
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She had servants, a nanny, and a chef, pool cleaner, yard keepers ... The company provided her with everything she wanted. She flew on a private jet to anywhere she wanted around the world to meet with friends.
Like most people in this category, they inherited everything and flaunted it in front of everyone. So much for a "family man" that writes about his excursions in weekly emails to a group of men and women that work hard but 70% were axed and many of the remaining jobs were moved overseas. Exactly what does she do? I know first hand that women as well as men at the top 5%, working or at home, have no empathy for the 95%.
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Overpaid twits like her should stick with writing what she knows about.
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Posted by: supercrisp on May 9, 2006 8:09 AM
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It seems to me that we ask too much of people who are raising kids. Maybe all of us. I think it’d be nice if we could spend more time with our homes and families. I have heard/read that we work more hours now in the US than we used to, but I’m not sure if that’s true.
But I meet a lot of college students who really could use some socializing. There’s a big difference between kids who had time with parents and those who didn’t. I worry that without parents and home, children are all the more readily turned into little consumer sexbots breeding the next generation of podpeople.
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Posted by: CarmelaF on May 9, 2006 8:42 AM
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I've heard her on the radio claim that stinting nannies on salary and benefits is a personal moral choice of American women--I guess she assumes American moms are cackling as they spend the saved cash on manicures and massages. My kids are finally in school, reducing my child-care burden to the point that I finally CAN fairly pay people to take care of my children, but I agonized at how little my family income (I work in non-profits and my husband is a freelance writer) had to spare to support our former nanny's needs. European countries recognize that it's hard to carve decent support for a third livelihood out of one or two average salaries, and they provide daycare to working parents. Her accusations of personal selfishness leave me frothing.
I presume her husband's income affords her the freedom to provide leisurely care for her family. I, too, would love this freedom, along with all-expense paid trips to Hawaiian resorts to report on how upper-middle-class families vacation (a recent New Yorker gig for Flanagan). I too would like to have my cake and eat it too, with family-friendly work and a rich husband to finance my deep desire to nurture and care for my children. Her absolute inability to see from what a lofty perch she sees the world infuriates me, and her attribution of personal agency and ethical choice in what are clearly socially-constrained situations renders her analyses essentially worthless, both as explanations of what's wrong and as a source of help (which we working women really need) in making things better.
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Posted by: lindaj823 on May 9, 2006 9:25 AM
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In most cases the tensions we feel are related to the fact that the choices we are faced with are NOT the choices we might make if there were more options available. Right now we can stay home to raise our children, go to work outside the home, work from home, work full or part-time. But we are always concerned about the road not taken. If we are at home, how much of a financial sacrifice is it for the family? And is our career being derailed? If we work part-time, are we denied benefits or the chance for advancement? If we work full time, do we have the flexibility we desire to be able to go to our children's soccer games or class plays? What if both mom & dad could work flexible hours that wouldn't require leaving our children with non-related caregivers? Clearly the choices are limited and not necessarily the choices that we would pick if we had other options. This is what we believe causes the tensions we feel in making these difficult decisions.
There is a Ceasefire on the "Mommy Wars" Campaign asking women to send a message to the media that we are not buying in to the notion that women who've made different decisions are at war with each other. Go to www.MothersOughtToHaveEqualRights.org to sign the petition to ask the media to STOP dividing women and address the real, underlying issues. Besides the petition, the website includes a link to help spread the word, and talking points and sample letters you can send to editors who continue to use this divisive phrase. The use of this phrase leaves the impression that the issues are different for different "kinds" of mothers and that is not the case. Plus a working mom may need to stay home at some point and an at-home mom may find she needs to go to work at some point. It's a back-and-forth process for many of us. The policies and customs that would value and support the work of mothering would benefit ALL mothers. Mothers need to unite, to point out what kinds of changes may be helpful, to work for the change, and to make the case that motherhood should be valued and supported.
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Posted by: doodledoo on May 9, 2006 10:05 AM
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I know and knew my grandmothers well enough to realize that being a stay at home mom was the last thing in life that I wanted to do. They made it clear its hardly romantic or empowering be stuck with no way out. Pundits portray these women as if staying at home was a joy and they had no conflicting feelings on the matter. But that's simply not the case in many instances. There were a lot of smart women out there who felt they had no choice but to follow a cultural script that left them with few options other than working in the home.
For me, I have few regrets about being 29 and childless. I will probably be okay with being 40 and childless. And there's no way that a hoity toity journalist get in the way of that certainty. I would advise other women to put similar blinders on to such polemical non-sense. Be a mom and work, be a SAHM, don't be a mom and work-whatever. But for heaven's sake don't be swayed by people who essentially get paid to stir sh*t up.
And I wish alternet would stop playing into their games because it just adds fuel to a useless fire.
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Posted by: linden on May 9, 2006 10:22 AM
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Posted by: Kym525 on May 9, 2006 11:10 AM
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Please send this wannabe Harriet Nelson back to the Dark Ages and leave her there!
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Posted by: djtyg on May 9, 2006 11:13 AM
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Giving this thing controversy only fans the flames. Nobody would buy this book if we liberals didn't get all pissy about it.
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Posted by: vincen13 on May 9, 2006 11:12 AM
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Idyllic images they paint of mom at home washing your clothes, making dinner and loving you unconditionally. They neglect to as clearly communicate mom at home with no work skills, no money for laundry detergent or food and dad has just run away with his secretary or died of a heart attack.
One man away from welfare, that's what those "idyllic 50s moms" were, and she isn't considering Hugh Hefner, the Playboy phenomenon, the devaluation of women in our society, the trap of domestic violence or any of those other sad realities some of us knew too well.
Books like this are dangerous, in my opinion.
Remember the 50s was a backlash reaction against the 40s when women worked in record numbers because of World War II.
Furthermore this author is a hypocrite. Sad, sad, sad!
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Posted by: CollD on May 9, 2006 11:19 AM
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I guess it is my fault that societies costs of living have risen so much, that most woman have no choise but to WORK and do all those tasks. If only the rest of us weren't so greedy and just married a wealthy man!
I am sorry that i educated myself and want a job to support myself because i don't want to be divorced at 55 from the philandering husband who left me with nothing.
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Posted by: mcurtis on May 9, 2006 11:57 AM
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First they make it impossible for me to even atempt to be a stay at home mother because my family can not survive on one income. Most recently they are trying to stop the distribution of birth control so that I have to have children.
Unless this cultural conservative elite is willing to raise wages in the country and make it easier for women (or men!) to stay home with their children, they need to shut up and quit telling the rest of us how to live.
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Posted by: AmyB on May 9, 2006 2:40 PM
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Flanagan managed to be pretty enough to marry a rich guy. Naturally, she has to defend taking the opportunity to leverage looks and charm into a moneyed marriage and life of leisure (and I'm sure her husband would be a swell guy even without all that money).
My MIL does that too. My pop-psych analysis is that her second marriage isn't very happy, so she pushes her materialistic values on her children to prove that her own sacrifice of personal happiness was worth it to get all that money.
For Flanagan, the excuse is the same sour grapes-- Clearly she feels bad about not living up to some standard she set for herself, so she she has to form a convoluted argument to convince herself that marriage to a rich guy is somehow a morally better choice (and she never wanted those other grapes in the first place). Evidence that she is ambitious? The fact that she keeps writing essays for TNY and AM. Do you have any idea how hard it is to keep up a regular writing schedule if you have two little kids?
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Posted by: lanned on May 9, 2006 4:56 PM
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Let's send the Bushies, the Cheneys et. al. too. How did that old Coke commercial go "I'd like to give the world a break..." Send 'em all back where they came from!
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Posted by: algorithm_x on May 9, 2006 6:34 PM
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I am a thirty-three year old male. My wife is at work. Not once has this silly woman mentioned that men and the fact they work at home as well.
Yet today I still wrote six pages on a paper, read 9 pages of Heideggers' Question Concerning Technology. Next I will read to the kids shortly to put them to bed.
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Posted by: Gisele on May 9, 2006 6:54 PM
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The "divide and conquer" method is alive and well, and working in Alternet.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that the book is written by someone who has hot and cold running maids, who for the most part...have raised her children for her. Thereby allowing her to sit and muse over what a "real" woman should be, and how best to please her man. In the end, it is only her opinion...she's not only allowed to state it, she should be encouraged to state it. We all need a good chuckle now and then, it cleans the soul.
We however; are allowed to ignore it, and need to find the courage it takes to continue to living in the "real" world. The world where Mommies and Daddy's BOTH have to work out of necessity, and not everyone has the job they've dreamed of. The corporate world may not give us our place in the sun, we may only have a cubicle to call our own (rather than a nice big office)...but in the end, is it really the corporate sun we want? Or will the sun in our childrens eyes when they say "I love you Mommy/Daddy" suffice?
Rather than feed the coffers of those who like to think they know how to live your life better than you do...save your pennies! But only until you have enough of them collected to take your spouse to dinner, and remind yourselves why you're doing all of this in the first place. The kids will love you for it. Your mate will love you for it!
When all is said and done...love is why you're doing it...
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Posted by: dave236412 on May 9, 2006 8:59 PM
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Posted by: vespasian01 on May 9, 2006 9:32 PM
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Posted by: mokidugway on May 10, 2006 3:30 AM
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But it is not now, nor has it ever been, a doctrine aimed at working class women. In the 1800s, more than 50% of working class women already held jobs outside the home, in factories and as domestic servants. These women are shut out of the debate because they don't pose the same level threat to the status quo.
Finally, what are some of the male posters so angry about? No one here seems to mind all-scale attacks on hegemony as long as hegemony is seen as genderless. But it has a gender, and the gender is male.
I don't blame men for that, because it comes with lots of headaches of its own. But when they start yelling at people just for pointing it out, they sound suspiciously like Republicans yelling at leftists for pointing out that the invasion of Iraq killed civilians, fomented terrorism, sanctioned torture, was a generally bad and counterproductive idea.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on May 10, 2006 7:43 AM
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She has about as much an idea of what it is like for working mothers and the reason they work as I have of what it is like to be a Martian.
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Posted by: Longdream on May 10, 2006 12:14 PM
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This isn't about Marx, Freud, the workplace, men, women, Christ, law--none of it. It's about injustice. It's about women being viewed as equal, just not as equal as men.
I'm astounded that some entity thought this meritless, simple-minded, gratuitious piece of crap worth publishing. I'm not shocked that even drek like the book in question can still draw from the boundaries of intellectual civilization a ready pack of knuckle-dragging limp dicks to gleefully express their contempt for women in general, and the women who share their lives in particular.
We don't need rational arguments to put these buffoons in their place. We need clubs and torches.
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Posted by: simplefear on May 11, 2006 7:44 PM
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No woman is a good mother, wife or caregiver if she feels unfulfilled. Giving birth DOES NOT mean giving up SELF. I am so tired of these high class, wealthy hypocrites telling the rest of us what we are doing wrong when they have all the money in the world to hire someone to do it for them.
Men are not questioned about the amount of time they spend with their kids, what they do, how well they take care of the house or their wive's needs. Nobody cares. Of course women are angry--no one gives a damn how they feel!!
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Posted by: Boronia on May 13, 2006 1:37 AM
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