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Drug Sanity South of the Border
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Worse still was that Mexico's President Vicente Fox bowed to U.S. pressure and vetoed the legislation, which would have removed incentives for corruption and allowed law enforcement to focus their limited resources on organized and violent crime. When Mexico's legislature takes up the issue again in the fall, it should have the courage to continue drafting drug policies that are far more practical than our own.
Certainly, American and Mexican residents alike would be very concerned if, by some change of law, drugs suddenly became much more available to youth on either side of the border. But the Mexican legislation in question, which proposes to reduce (but not remove) criminal penalties for low-level drug possession, would not do that -- just as similar policies have not increased the availability of drugs in Western Europe and Canada.
Indeed, our own policies have proved much worse in this regard. Despite a $40-billion-a-year drug war, "controlled substances" are more available and cheaper than they have ever been -- in San Diego and around the United States. And, unlike alcohol, these drugs are as available to kids as to adults.
Because we enforce a drinking age on this side of the border, there is clear incentive for our youth to head south in search of alcohol (where the age limit of 18 is poorly enforced). No such incentives exist for marijuana or methamphetamine, nor would they had President Fox signed the bill this week. Why drive south and wait in line to cross the border, when you can already buy it at school or from a neighbor?
San Diego officials know how pervasive drugs are in this city, so it is disingenuous for them to oppose Mexico's legislation based on concerns about increased availability of drugs.
And yet no one is surprised that our mayor and district attorney, among others, rushed to condemn the Mexican bill last week. This is because Mexico's decision flies in the face of our national government's 30-year-old crusade to eradicate illegal drugs -- and does so very close to home. Drug war advocates say that reducing criminal penalties for possession of controlled substances is akin to admitting defeat. It sends the wrong message, they say.
But isn't it the right thing to do?
In the name of sending the right message, we have incarcerated millions of Americans over the last three decades. More people are in prison for drug charges in the United States than are incarcerated for all crimes in Western Europe, which has a larger total population. In California alone, the number of people incarcerated for drug possession quadrupled in the 12 years between 1988 and 2000, peaking at 20,116. And yet drug use remains stable.
Our fear of sending the wrong message is stopping us from implementing policies that would keep drugs away from youth and would better prevent and treat addiction. We must not be afraid to admit that drugs and drug addiction will never be eradicated. Instead, we must work toward reducing the harm that drugs cause. That means being more practical and perhaps being a little more like our neighbors to the south.
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Posted by: bodo on May 8, 2006 1:04 AM
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Posted by: SBK on May 8, 2006 2:17 AM
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Drug policy in America, like most other legislation, is not written for the benefit of our people. The drug war makes money, and lots of it, for several industries--prison lobbies to pharmaceuticals. Mexico and Canada are following the piles of evidence that says legalization takes drugs out of the hands of a few mean dudes and the prison corporations and puts control where it belongs, the community and the hospital. We all know addicts aren't criminals and this war takes its toll on black and brown young men who, with no better job prospects, are just trying to survive. We should learn from these countries instead of invading their right to make laws on their own turf. If we only get a few dollars for social services anyway, should we really spend them on incarcerating over 2 million people? This is not policy for us, its policy for profits!
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Posted by: cry0fan on May 8, 2006 5:28 AM
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America is a nation born of an exploitation machine, the likes of which the world has never seen before. A huge slave camp for black and white slaves. For hundreds of years it has attracted as immigrants the most ruthless, greedy, sociopathic misfits from the world over. Wherever there was a greedhead or a misfit ousted from his village or town because he could not fit in, or who needed wealth so desperately to satisfy his need for social status, well, that person wound up in America.
Now most of us are the ancestors of those who were exploited--the chattel and indentured slaves, the press ganged sailors, etc. But America was organized by the overclass exploiters.The Founding Fathers molded this nation and culture to serve them. They were the Kings of the Exploiters. The overclass still rules America -- but now through the mass media.
And drug use is not encouraged in this exploitaiton machine born of a slave nation. It reduces profit. And America is all about profit. THat is part of its culture. Marijuana is especially dangerous to the exploiters and their exploitation machine culture. That is a drug that tends to make the user rather philosophical in his or her approach to life. As opposed to greedy and grasping, which is what the overclass wants. Marijuana is a killer of the "American work ethic" culture that the overclass uses to increase profits.
We have fought back against the masters and broken their chains of iron, but now they use chains of silver, of propaganda. They use the innate need of the social animal for culture and for society in order to mold us into an exploitation machine culture for profit. The Drug War is part of this overclass-friendly culture of exploitation.
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Posted by: Moonray on May 8, 2006 5:50 AM
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It's increasingly clear that leadership on this issue -- and other crucial social issues -- will have to come from foreign nations. The U.S. government is too mired in corruption and religious fundamentalism to function effectively, much less serve as a world leader on anything.
That's a sad conclusion for this old war veteran to reach, but there's no escaping it.
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Posted by: chuckville on May 8, 2006 6:24 AM
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Posted by: schnoggi on May 8, 2006 7:42 AM
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Once you start to see this "battery" mechanism, you start to see it a lot. after all a battery is no more than a partition between two things that want very much to get together. put a partition in place and next thing you know there is a powersource. the war on drugs is a war on thought; fear of drugs indicates mental illness and fear of self, look it up.
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Posted by: Mexile on May 8, 2006 9:47 AM
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It's infuriating enough that the American right spouts off about Mexico without a clue as to what they're talking about. I wish "friendly" commentary would at least do the courtesy of checking their facts. Would it hurt to at least call a Mexican attorney when writing about Mexican law?
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Posted by: doneman2000 on May 8, 2006 12:10 PM
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Posted by: algodees on May 8, 2006 9:13 PM
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I don't suppose that Mexico can afford to lock up everybody who sparks up a joint on the weekend. We all know people who smoke up occassionaly and still manage to hold down a good job and pay their taxes. Consider all the extra costs beside the cost of incarceration that the taxpayer has to pay after making criminals out of recreational drug users such as the cost for policing and courts and welfare for the now unemployable recreational drug user and you will find that the War on Drugs is not very cost effective.
The United States of America may be the only country that can afford such a futile policy as The War on Drugs. I think that the money wasted on this so called war could be much more effectively used for education for all and treatment for the unfortunates who get caught up in the drug culture.
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Posted by: Sojourner on May 8, 2006 11:33 PM
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The sad part is that we've done this once before and should have learned our lesson. The sadder part is that politicians get away with writing bad laws because citizens don't want to be bothered until it hits them personally.
The fact is that we all pay a price for the cost of treating a health problem as criminality. Americans are crazy when it comes to matters of sex, drugs, guns, and cars. When will we ever grow up?
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Posted by: actnow2 on May 9, 2006 10:59 AM
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We have an extremely large debt with the world that selling drugs at least pot can help pay for. There is no way we can get the national debt under control as long as we import products from china and Japan and others that have very low wages we can never control it. We need a new form of revenue and until we develop something other country want besides living here it is the only thing available.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on May 10, 2006 10:49 AM
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Oh, well. Now we know who runs Mexican politics-the Yankee imperialists.
Mexico could have went the way as the Netherlands and other countries that allowed some possession of a drug, but let's hope Fox changes his mind and sign this enlightened legislation.
In that way Mexico could show others a way to eliminate the "war" on drugs. C'mon, Mexico! Don't listen to the U.S. Government. Do what's best for your country. I am disappointed.
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Posted by: bodo on May 8, 2006 1:04 AM
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Posted by: SBK on May 8, 2006 2:17 AM
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Drug policy in America, like most other legislation, is not written for the benefit of our people. The drug war makes money, and lots of it, for several industries--prison lobbies to pharmaceuticals. Mexico and Canada are following the piles of evidence that says legalization takes drugs out of the hands of a few mean dudes and the prison corporations and puts control where it belongs, the community and the hospital. We all know addicts aren't criminals and this war takes its toll on black and brown young men who, with no better job prospects, are just trying to survive. We should learn from these countries instead of invading their right to make laws on their own turf. If we only get a few dollars for social services anyway, should we really spend them on incarcerating over 2 million people? This is not policy for us, its policy for profits!
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Posted by: cry0fan on May 8, 2006 5:28 AM
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America is a nation born of an exploitation machine, the likes of which the world has never seen before. A huge slave camp for black and white slaves. For hundreds of years it has attracted as immigrants the most ruthless, greedy, sociopathic misfits from the world over. Wherever there was a greedhead or a misfit ousted from his village or town because he could not fit in, or who needed wealth so desperately to satisfy his need for social status, well, that person wound up in America.
Now most of us are the ancestors of those who were exploited--the chattel and indentured slaves, the press ganged sailors, etc. But America was organized by the overclass exploiters.The Founding Fathers molded this nation and culture to serve them. They were the Kings of the Exploiters. The overclass still rules America -- but now through the mass media.
And drug use is not encouraged in this exploitaiton machine born of a slave nation. It reduces profit. And America is all about profit. THat is part of its culture. Marijuana is especially dangerous to the exploiters and their exploitation machine culture. That is a drug that tends to make the user rather philosophical in his or her approach to life. As opposed to greedy and grasping, which is what the overclass wants. Marijuana is a killer of the "American work ethic" culture that the overclass uses to increase profits.
We have fought back against the masters and broken their chains of iron, but now they use chains of silver, of propaganda. They use the innate need of the social animal for culture and for society in order to mold us into an exploitation machine culture for profit. The Drug War is part of this overclass-friendly culture of exploitation.
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Posted by: Moonray on May 8, 2006 5:50 AM
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It's increasingly clear that leadership on this issue -- and other crucial social issues -- will have to come from foreign nations. The U.S. government is too mired in corruption and religious fundamentalism to function effectively, much less serve as a world leader on anything.
That's a sad conclusion for this old war veteran to reach, but there's no escaping it.
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Posted by: chuckville on May 8, 2006 6:24 AM
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Posted by: schnoggi on May 8, 2006 7:42 AM
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Once you start to see this "battery" mechanism, you start to see it a lot. after all a battery is no more than a partition between two things that want very much to get together. put a partition in place and next thing you know there is a powersource. the war on drugs is a war on thought; fear of drugs indicates mental illness and fear of self, look it up.
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Posted by: Mexile on May 8, 2006 9:47 AM
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It's infuriating enough that the American right spouts off about Mexico without a clue as to what they're talking about. I wish "friendly" commentary would at least do the courtesy of checking their facts. Would it hurt to at least call a Mexican attorney when writing about Mexican law?
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Posted by: doneman2000 on May 8, 2006 12:10 PM
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Posted by: algodees on May 8, 2006 9:13 PM
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I don't suppose that Mexico can afford to lock up everybody who sparks up a joint on the weekend. We all know people who smoke up occassionaly and still manage to hold down a good job and pay their taxes. Consider all the extra costs beside the cost of incarceration that the taxpayer has to pay after making criminals out of recreational drug users such as the cost for policing and courts and welfare for the now unemployable recreational drug user and you will find that the War on Drugs is not very cost effective.
The United States of America may be the only country that can afford such a futile policy as The War on Drugs. I think that the money wasted on this so called war could be much more effectively used for education for all and treatment for the unfortunates who get caught up in the drug culture.
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Posted by: Sojourner on May 8, 2006 11:33 PM
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The sad part is that we've done this once before and should have learned our lesson. The sadder part is that politicians get away with writing bad laws because citizens don't want to be bothered until it hits them personally.
The fact is that we all pay a price for the cost of treating a health problem as criminality. Americans are crazy when it comes to matters of sex, drugs, guns, and cars. When will we ever grow up?
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Posted by: actnow2 on May 9, 2006 10:59 AM
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We have an extremely large debt with the world that selling drugs at least pot can help pay for. There is no way we can get the national debt under control as long as we import products from china and Japan and others that have very low wages we can never control it. We need a new form of revenue and until we develop something other country want besides living here it is the only thing available.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on May 10, 2006 10:49 AM
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Oh, well. Now we know who runs Mexican politics-the Yankee imperialists.
Mexico could have went the way as the Netherlands and other countries that allowed some possession of a drug, but let's hope Fox changes his mind and sign this enlightened legislation.
In that way Mexico could show others a way to eliminate the "war" on drugs. C'mon, Mexico! Don't listen to the U.S. Government. Do what's best for your country. I am disappointed.
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