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Hitchens the Warmongering Hacker
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Christopher Hitchens owes me a big apology.
I belong to a private email discussion group called Gulf2000. It has academics, journalists and policymakers on it. It has a strict rule that messages appearing there will not be forwarded off the list. It is run, edited and moderated by a former National Security Council staffer for Carter and Reagan, Gary Sick, now a political scientist at Columbia University. The "no-forwarding" rule is his and is intended to allow the participants to converse about controversial matters without worrying about getting in trouble. Also, in an informal email discussion, ideas evolve, you make mistakes, and they get corrected, etc. It is a rough, rough draft.
Hitchens somehow hacked into the site, or joined and lurked, or had a crony pass him things. And he has now made my private email messages the subject of an attack on me in Slate. (I am not linking to the article because it is highly unethical, and Slate does not deserve any direct traffic from my site for it.) Moreover, he did not even have the decency to quote the final outcome of the discussions.
I'd like to take this opportunity to complain about the profoundly dishonest character of "attack journalism." Journalists are supposed to interview the subjects about which they write. Mr. Hitchens never contacted me about this piece. He never sought clarification of anything. He never asked permission to quote my private mail. Major journalists have a privileged position. Not just anyone can be published in Slate. Most academics could not get a gig there (I've never been asked to write for it). Hitchens is paid to publish there because he is a prominent journalist. But then he should behave like a journalist, not like a hired gun for the far Right, smearing hapless targets of his ire. That isn't journalism. For some reason it drives the right absolutely crazy that I keep this little web log, and so they keep trotting out these clowns in amateurish sniping attacks. It is rather sad that one person standing up to them puts them into such piranha-like frenzy.
The precise reason for Hitchens' theft and publication of my private mail is that I object to the characterization of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as having "threatened to wipe Israel off the map." I object to this translation of what he said on two grounds.
First, it gives the impression that Ahmadinejad wants to play Hitler to Israel's Poland, mobilizing an armored corps to move in and kill people. But the actual quote, which comes from an old speech of Khomeini, does not imply military action or killing anyone at all.
The second reason is that it is just an inexact translation. The phrase is almost metaphysical. He quoted Khomeini, saying that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." It is in fact probably a reference to some phrase in a medieval Persian poem. It is not about tanks.
Since Mr. Hitchens wants to splash my private mail all over the internet against my will, as though he were himself an agent of the Bush administration's electronic spying on the private conversations of Americans, I'm glad to share the message that encapsulates the results of our deliberations at Gulf2000.
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:34:18 -0400 From: "Cole, Juan"
The speech in Persian is here:
Sorry that I misremembered the exact phrase Ahmadinejad had used. He made an analogy to Khomeini's determination and success in getting rid of the Shah's government, which Khomeini had said "must go" (az bain bayad berad). Then Ahmadinejad defined Zionism not as an Arabi-Israeli national struggle but as a Western plot to divide the world of Islam with Israel as the pivot of this plan.
The phrase he then used, as I read it, is "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."
Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up hope -- that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah's government.
Whatever this quotation from a decades-old speech of Khomeini may have meant, Ahmadinejad did not say that "Israel must be wiped off the map" with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time.
Again, Ariel Sharon erased the occupation regime over Gaza from the page of time.
I should again underline that I personally despise everything Ahmadinejad stands for, not to mention the odious Khomeini, who had personal friends of mine killed so thoroughly that we have never recovered their bodies. Nor do I agree that the Israelis have no legitimate claim on any part of Jerusalem. And, I am not exactly a pacifist but have a strong preference for peaceful social activism over violence, so needless to say I condemn the sort of terror attacks against innocent civilians (including Arab Israelis) that we saw last week. I have not seen any credible evidence, however, that such attacks are the doing of Ahmadinejad, and in my view they are mainly the result of the expropriation and displacement of the longsuffering Palestinian people.
It is not realistic for Americans to call for Iran to talk directly to the Israeli government (though in the 1980s the Khomeinists did a lot of business with Israel), when the U.S. government won't talk directly to the Iranians about most bilateral issues. In fact, an American willingness to engage in direct talks might well pave the way to an eventual settlement of these outstanding issues.
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Juan ColeI don't have any intention of making a point-by-point reply to Hitchens' completely inaccurate screed. He blames me for not referring to some other speech of Khomeini, when in fact I never instanced any speeches of Khomeini at all in this discussion, except the snippet cited by Ahmadinejad. I was arguing that there is no Persian idiom to wipe something off the map, and that Ahmadinejad has been misquoted.
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Hitchens imagines a whole discourse of mine (which mostly never took place) that he now sets out to refute -- from English translations! But I was saying that the wire service translations were the problem in the first place. Hitchens seems to think that he can overrule my reading of a Persian text by reference to some hurried journalist's untechnical rendering into English.
Hitchens alleges that I said that Khomeini never called for wiping Israel from the face of the map. Actually, I never said anything at all about Khomeini's own speeches or intentions. I was solely discussing Ahmadinejad. Hitchens should please quote me on Khomeini and Israel. He cannot. He is making it up out of whole cloth. He should retract.
I write so much with which the far right disagrees so vehemently. I publish it on my weblog. Why is it that they keep having to invent quotations and put them in my mouth? Now, Cole is alleged to deny that Khomeini's rhetoric was hostile to Israel. Is that even a plausible allegation?
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But, by the way, Khomeini sold oil to Israel, and Israel sold him weapons and spare parts, and put the Reagan administration up to doing the same thing. You will note that when Khomeini originally made the statement about the occupation regime over Jerusalem vanishing from the page of time, that was not front page news. In fact, secret Israeli arms shipments were arriving in Tehran as Khomeini was speaking. So whatever is going on now is not about the rhetoric, is it?
Here is what the National Security Archive says about Khomeini and Israel:
Even during the hostage crisis in Tehran, Israel -- later the United States' partner through much of the Iran initiative -- began to strike weapons deals of its own with Iran.
Tel Aviv, like Washington, had a long history of selling arms to the Shah, which Tehran's revolutionary government was willing to exploit secretly, despite its public animosity toward the state of Israel.
Reportedly, the United States knew about Israeli transactions during the early 1980s but turned a blind eye. News accounts alleged later that President Reagan's first secretary of state, Alexander Haig, gave Tel Aviv an "amber light," acquiescing in the weapons transfers without officially approving them.
One report stated that Haig gave permission to Israel to sell U.S.-made military spare parts for fighter planes to Iran in early 1981 after discussions between his counselor at the State Department, Robert McFarlane, and Israeli Foreign Ministry official David Kimche.
An Israeli account of the U.S.-backed weapons sales of 1985-1986 reports that Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon proposed as early as 1982 that Washington consider an opening to factions in Iran using limited military sales as a vehicle. The White House apparently declined the suggestion but four years later would be more receptive to a similar proposal brought to McFarlane, then national security advisor, by his longtime counterpart, Kimche.
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Note that not only were the Israelis dealing with Khomeini, they are alleged to have been doing so while he was holding American hostages.
Back to Hitchens. How to explain this peculiar behavior on the part of someone who was at one time one of our great men of letters?
Well, I don't think it is any secret that Hitchens has for some time had a very serious and debilitating drinking problem. He once showed up drunk to a talk I gave and heckled me. I can only imagine that he was deep in his cups when he wrote -- or had some far right-wing think tank write -- his current piece of yellow journalism. I am sorry to witness the ruin of a once-fine journalistic mind.
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But the other reason for Hitchens' piece may be that he has become a warmonger, and it is possible that he wants a U.S. war against Iran. More on that below.
As for the matter at issue, Ahmadinejad is a nonentity. The Iranian "president" is mostly powerless. The commander of the armed forces is the Supreme Jurisprudent, Ali Khamenei. Worrying about Ahmadinejad's antics is like worrying that the U.S. military will act on the orders of the secretary of the interior. Ahmadinejad cannot declare war on anyone, or mobilize a military. So it doesn't matter what speeches he gives.
Moreover, Iran cannot fight Israel. It would be defeated in 72 hours, even if the United States didn't come in, which it would (and rightly so if Israel were attacked). Iran is separated by several other countries from Israel. It has not attacked aggressively any other country militarily for over a century (can Americans say that of their own record?) It has only a weak, ineffective air force. So why worry about it?
What is really going on here is an old trick of the warmongers. Which is that you equate hurtful statements of your enemy with an actual military threat, and make a weak and vulnerable enemy look like a strong, menacing foe. Then no one can complain when you pounce on the enemy and reduce his country to flames and rubble.
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It is obvious that powerful political forces in Washington are fishing for a pretext to launch a war on Iran, and that they are just delighted to have Ahmadinejad serve as cartoon villain and pretext. But they had a moderate, reforming president in Mohammad Khatami for eight years, and just blew off all his overtures to the West. Iranians organized big candlelight vigils for America after Sept. 11, in sympathy!
Washington never gave the reform movement the slightest encouragement, perhaps in hopes that the Iranians would be forced to turn right again and form a proper object of U.S. hatred. If so, they got their wish last summer, when Ahmadinejad used the same dirty techniques to get elected as had George W. Bush.
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All the warmongers in Washington, including Hitchens, if he falls into that camp, should get this through their heads. Americans are not fighting any more wars in the Middle East against toothless third-rate powers. So sit down and shut up.
One, two, three, four! We don't want your stinking war!
We are not going to see any more U.S. troops come home in body bags at Dover for the sake of some Cheney affiliate grabbing the petroleum in Iran's Ahvaz fields.
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We are not going to have another 15,000 wounded vets flood onto our streets with spine damage and brain damage.
We are not going to put Yazd behind barbed wire to liberate it, as a millenarian Christian general did to Habbaniyah in Iraq.
We are not going to imprison and torture thousands of Iranians at Evin Penitentiary in Tehran, as worthy successors to the bloodthirsty Shah and Khomeini.
We are not going to kill 200,000 Iranians with aerial bombardments of Tabriz, Isfahan, Qom, Kerman, Shiraz and Mashahd.
We are not going to let dozens of U.S. corporations loot the American people and the Iranian people alike with no-bid "contracts," embezzlement, corruption, and graft.
We are not going to let you have a war against Iran.
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So sit down and shut up, American Enterprise Institute, and Hudson Institute, and Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and American Heritage Institute, and this institute and that institute, and cable "news," and government "spokesmen" and all the pundit-ferrets you pay millions to make business for the American military-industrial complex and Big Oil.
We don't give a rat's ass what Ahmadinejad thinks about European history or what pissant speech the little shit gives.
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I call on university students across America to begin holding antiwar rallies. The only way you can have a war on Iran is to draft the young people. It is you who are on the line. Demonstrate! Demonstrate against the very hint of war! Demonstrate in front of the warmongering "institutes" in Washington, D.C.! Demonstrate to end the one we've already got! (See Speaker's Forum on Iraq)
Here is what the real Iran experts think about the prospect of an Iran war.
Hitchens' dirty tricks and lies against me are only the beginning. Whoever stands against the Perpetual War Machine will be attacked, slimed, marginalized and destroyed if the warmongers get their way. I don't care. Thus far and no farther.
One, two, three, four. We don't want your stinking war!
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Posted by: IanA on May 5, 2006 4:15 AM
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Civilized people find peace normal and war an adoration. Civilized people prefer truth to spin, deceit, propaganda or outright lies. Civilized people do not use aggression to change people’s minds. Civilized people have are based in a reality in which individual people have a fundamental value and count irrespective of their nationality, religious or political beliefs, or race. Therefore civilized people put humanitarian values higher than self interested politicking and corrupt corporate interests.
From outside we can see America breaking down, with ignorance, propaganda, fear and above all an enormous propensity to believe that tax-payer sponsored and state organized violence and aggression is a method of satisfying the manipulated delusions of the masses. Seen from Europe this unfortunately is not a new or unique phenomenon.
When Prof. Cole calls on Universities to demonstrate against war he is appealing to the educated who have no excuse for not knowing or seeking the truth and he is also appealing to their self interest, pointing to the fact that the US forces would need to re-instate the draft to expand American military aggression. Personally I don’t believe you have to be either highly educated or motivated by self interest or self preservation to be civilized.
When will I be able to look at the United States of America as part of the civilized world again?
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Posted by: starvinmarvy on May 5, 2006 4:20 AM
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of the daily Alternet enlightened....you "rock" buddy!
We need more journalist like yourself who,with retribution
from the institution you work for always a possibility,STILL
continue to pursue truth and accuracy for the citizens of this country! Its good people like yourself who through your posts
educate and arm the truthseekers! You and those like yourself
are the "REAL LEADERS" of this country! Stay Well!
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» RE: Your a TRUE leader Juan!
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Posted by: Urstrly on May 5, 2006 5:07 AM
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Posted by: Ken Duerksen on May 5, 2006 6:07 AM
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LeCarre would write-in a dark-haired, sloe-eyed beauty who had at some point in the past stolen Hitchen's heart, but who now is held captive by Kurdish militia against his supportive propaganda (Hitchens espouses Kurdish nationalism to a degree that eclipses even his proclaimed love of Bush and Blair policies - but these are all related interests).
This story line would explain a lot - Hitchens' retreat from empirical facts; his sodden drunkenness (you can smell the single-malt over CSPAN); the abjectly crushed spirit that cries through his bloodshot eyes.
LeCarre novels always end with an act of redemptive altruistic sacrifice by its abused protagonist; perhaps Hitchens will find his soul again.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on May 5, 2006 6:10 AM
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While drunk Hitchens is a real card. He just lets it rip. Mr. Cole objections are that Mr. Hitchens latest gig requires him to take money from the neocons and justly lampoon the “liberals.” Well, too bad Mr. Cole. Your side is part of the problem. You spin your falsehoods, too.
When the neocon revolution comes to a crashing end, which is happening now, Mr. Hitchens will drift into redemption. Then the “liberals” will forgive, forget and pay this mountebank to spread “truth” about the neocon/conservatives.
Truth is, the world needs more drunken reporters and fewer drunken leaders like Mr. Bush.
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Posted by: eileen on May 5, 2006 6:18 AM
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or WE THE PEOPLE can RISE UP/Intifada and DO SOMETHING about it!
It was a religious/spiritual movement that spurred the abolition of slavery and worked towards civil rights.
If Amerians learned that slavery and the denial of human rights was an evil in our midst,
we can also learn that war and empire building is.
If you can be in DC May 17-20 attend TIKKUN's 2nd Network of Spiritual Progressives and TEACH-IN to Congress.
www.tikkun.org
And be a part of the solution.
"We have it in our power to change the world."-Tom Paine
That can only happen if we DO SOMETHING.
If you cannot attend, WAWA will be reporting:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
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Posted by: Bozwell on May 5, 2006 6:25 AM
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With Hichens, its like garbage in,( increased) garbage out. He caters to his perceived segment , others long ago deciphered his spielings and figured it was mere bloviated hot air for shock and awe performance to attempt to enhance his own perceivement. Just one of the neocon court jesters who brattles delusionally on and on not noticing most do indeed dismiss his offerings with rapidity finding him but a befuddled ,foolish character in the charade that has been foisted at expense of all and being more than ANY should have had to bear !! Into the sixth year of blunders, bungles and bumblings by this Bushed brigade, more are indeed praying these days that we DO survive and find a way to recover from all that has been wrought by the egregious , incompetence of the helmsmen/women from helle!!!
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Posted by: codingguy on May 5, 2006 8:12 AM
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1. Hitchens probably shouldn't have published something that was on a private email site, but in the great scheme of things, why is this even a story? it's petty and insignificant. Cole isn't a political leader, neither is hitchens... kinda like reporting on a private discussion among academics... yawn.
2. Once you strip away all the rhetoric and spin, Hitchens is surely more correct about the real meaning of the wacky Iranian prez's words than cole... i don't believe even he believes that Prez's statement was meant to be so benign. My guess -- and that's all it is -- would be that he meant "annihilate." That would be consistent with most of the rhetoric coming from Iran re: Israel since Khomeini took power.
3. The constant referrals to Hitchens supposed or real alcoholism/drunkenness show that the Right wing does not have the monopoly on character assassination. Are his arguments so difficult to refute that virtually every critique of Hitchens from the left usually begins with his so-called alcohol problem.... interestingly, when he was a maoist, never heard boo about it.....And, for that matter, are there no drunks on the left?
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Posted by: DennisDalrymple on May 5, 2006 9:52 AM
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Hurray for Juan Cole's ice pick through the pickled journalist.
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Posted by: Mutternich on May 5, 2006 11:50 AM
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Let the reporters get drunk on their off-time. They should at least be sober while they're doing their reporting and writing. Or maybe there should be a Pulitzer or Peabody for "best reporting while drunk."
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Posted by: Mycos on May 5, 2006 9:27 PM
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GIVE IT UP HITCHENS! YOU LOSE
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» Has Hitchens partaken of recent Watergate poke(him)r parties?
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Posted by: richards1052 on May 6, 2006 2:39 AM
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I also think that Cole's use of the term 'theft" to describe Hitchens' actions is a bit over the top. Did Hitchens do something nasty & perhaps unethical? Probably. But is that "theft?" Seems like too strong a term for what happened.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 6, 2006 8:11 AM
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The Bush team wish appears to be to bomb and invade Iran, especially the oil rich border region. Just like the case with Iraq, they need to spin the issue. One important goal: get the Israeli sectors behind the Iranian war plans by portraying Iran as an anti-semitic Nazi-like regime.
Fact to avoid mentioning: the Dimona nuclear complex in Israel, home of fission and fission-fusion (thermonuclear) weapon production. This partially underground complex makes it fairly certain that Israel will not be "wiped off the map". Also avoid mentioning nuclear deals with India, which raises certain questions about the Bush administration's incoherent and hypocritical foreign policies.
What do you think the Iranians think, looking at Dimona? "Hey - shouldn't we have one of those too?", is likely what they are thinking. The word on the street is that if you have nukes the crazy American president won't attack you. Iraq has been 'wiped off the map' as far as being a functioning economy goes; if Bush&Co. get their way the same thing will happen to Iran.
Hitchens is just a part of the overall propaganda effort; propaganda relies on minimal facts and maximal emotional impact; personal attacks are more 'emotive' then dry analysis (particularly when analysis results in inconvenient conclusions), ergo. One monkey starts screaming, and pretty soon the whole troop is in an uproar. I wonder if Hitchens is even aware of what his real role is... or maybe it's starting to slip through... that would explain the supposed drinking.
The Bush plan seems to be to start a new war to draw attention from the destruction caused by the last war, ad infinitum. Iraq, Iran, and then where? Syria?
How many times do they think they can trot out the same tired old horse manure? "Iran is the greatest threat to world safety since Hitler"..."Iran must never be allowed to produce smoking guns in the shape of mushroom clouds"..."this has absolutely, I repeat, absolutely nothing to do with oil."
They are even lining up the old king's son a la Chalabi... see this BBC report on Reza Pahlavi - guess what, Iran - it's back to the days of SAVAK. I'm sure the Iranians will think that is a great idea.... no doubt the king will be greeted by his grateful subjects with parades, just like the American GIs were greeted in Paris... I must say that it gives my heart joy to see the delicate flower of democracy blooming in these barren wastelands.
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» Invasion of Iraq is clearly a war crime. Not only must it not be repeated, it deserves punishment.
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Posted by: pjrsullivan on May 6, 2006 11:56 AM
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Kevin Dam and Langhorne Motley served Reagan also during his political crime wave.
The Republicans should be called a party that is clearly "Dam Sic and Motley.
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Posted by: codingguy on May 6, 2006 11:50 PM
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Misguided support for dictators destroyed the left’s credibility. Christopher Hitchens welcomes a volte-face
One can stare at a simple sign or banner or placard for a long time before its true meaning discloses itself. The late John Sparrow, warden of All Souls College, Oxford, was once struck motionless by a notice at the foot of the escalator at Oxford Circus Tube station. “Dogs,” it read, “must be carried.” What to do then, wondered this celebrated pedant, if you hadn’t got a dog with you?
And then there came a day, well evoked by Ian McEwan in his novel Saturday, when hundreds of people I knew were prepared to traipse through the streets of London behind a huge banner that read “No war on Iraq. Freedom for Palestine”. This was in fact the official slogan of the organisers. Let us gaze at these two simple injunctions for a second.
Nobody had actually ever proposed a war “on” Iraq. It had been argued, whether persuasively or not, that Iraq and the world would be improved by the advent of the post-Saddam Hussein era. There was already a war in Iraq, with Kurdish guerrillas battling the Ba’athist regime and Anglo-American airborne patrols enforcing a “no-fly zone” in order to prevent the renewal of the 1991 attempted genocide in the Kurdish north and the Shi’ite south.
I certainly heard arguments in favour of a war for Iraq. A few months before the intervention, Dr Barham Salih — one of the leaders of the autonomous Kurdish region — flew to Rome to speak at a conference of the Socialist International (of which his party is a member). The place of the left, he said, was on the side of those battling against fascism. I went to Blackpool at about the same time to make a similar point at the annual Tribune rally at the Labour party conference.
The war “for” and “over” and “in” Iraq, in other words, had been going on for some time and I, for one, had taken a side in it.
What is then left of the word “on”? Should it not really have read “No quarrel with Saddam Hussein”? That would have been more accurate but perhaps less catchy. You keep hearing leaders of the anti-war crowd protesting that they don’t “really” act as apologists for Saddam. But this, if true, could easily have been demonstrated. “Hands off Iraq — but freedom for Kurdistan”, say. (This was, in fact, the position taken by many Arab leftists.)
“Freedom for Palestine”, though. What exactly is that doing there? Why not freedom for Lebanon, or Syria, which are just as far away? Or Darfur? No, it had to be Palestine, because the subject had to be changed. This was indeed the favourite tactic of Saddam himself. He never mentioned the Palestinians on the day he invaded and annexed Kuwait (and incidentally ruined, as Edward Said pointed out, the lives of the thriving Palestinian diaspora in that small country).
But as soon as he had exhausted the patience of the United Nations, Saddam began to yell that he would never surrender the territory he had stolen unless the Israelis ended their occupation, too. (An amusing subconscious equation between the two offences, incidentally, even if Saddam does share, with his hated Iranian foes, the desire to see Israel obliterated entirely.) In the waning years of the Ba’ath regime, Baghdad radio and television kept up a ceaseless rant of jihad, calling on all true Muslims to rally to the side of Saddam as part of the battle for Jerusalem.
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Posted by: codingguy on May 6, 2006 11:52 PM
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How comes it that Ramsey Clark, the equivalent public face in America, is one of Saddam’s legal team and has argued that he was justified in committing the hideous crimes of which he stands accused? Why is the left’s beloved cultural icon, Michael Moore, saying that the “insurgents” in Iraq are the equivalent of the American revolutionaries of 1776?
I believe there are three explanations for this horrid mutation of the left into a reactionary and nihilistic force. The first is nostalgia for the vanished “People’s Democracies” of the state socialist era. This has been stated plainly by Galloway and by Clark, whose political sect in the United States also defends Castro and Kim Jong-il.
The bulk of the anti-war movement also opposed the removal of the Muslim-slayer Slobodan Milosevic, which incidentally proves that their professed sympathy with oppressed Muslims is mainly a pose.
However, that professed sympathy does help us to understand the second motive. To many callow leftists, the turbulent masses of the Islamic world are at once a reminder of the glory days of “Third World” revolution, and a hasty substitute for the vanished proletariat of yore. Galloway has said as much in so many words and my old publishers at New Left Review have produced a book of Osama Bin Laden’s speeches in which he is compared with Che Guevara.
The third reason, not quite so well laid out by the rather 10th-rate theoreticians of today’s left, is that once you decide that American-led “globalisation” is the main enemy, then any revolt against it is better than none at all. In some way yet to be determined, Al-Qaeda might be able to help to stave off global warming. (I have not yet checked to see how this is squared with Bin Laden’s diatribe of last weekend, summoning all holy warrior aid to the genocidal rulers of Sudan as they complete the murder of African Muslims, and as they sell all their oil to China to create a whole new system of carbon emissions in Asia. At first sight, it looks like blood for oil to me.)
This hectic collapse in the face of brutish irrationality and the most cynical realpolitik has taken far too long to produce antibodies on the left. However, a few old hands and some sharp and promising new ones have got together and produced a statement that is named after the especially unappealing (to me) area of London in which it was discussed and written.
The “Euston Manifesto” keeps it simple. It prefers democratic pluralism, at any price, to theocracy. It raises an eyebrow at the enslavement of the female half of the population and the burial alive of homosexuals. It has its reservations about the United States, but knows that if anything is ever done about (say) Darfur, it will be Washington that receives the UN mandate to do the heavy lifting.
It prefers those who vote in Iraq and Afghanistan to those who put bombs in mosques and schools and hospitals. It does not conceive of arguments that make excuses for suicide murderers. It affirms the right of democratic nations and open societies to defend themselves, both from theocratic states abroad and from theocratic gangsters at home.
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Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair. His most recent book, Thomas Paine’s Rights of Man, will be published in May by Grove Atlantic
THE EUSTON MANIFESTO SPELLS OUT A CHANGE OF DIRECTION
WHAT IS IT?
In May last year about 20 disgruntled leftists met in a pub near Euston station in London. Journalists, academics, bloggers and students, they were united in feeling at odds with the anti-war movement and the blanket anti-American/anti-Blair sentiments it inspired. They felt that the left had lost touch with its core values, its muddled sympathies now falling in with terrorists in its rush to condemn its own government
WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT?
The manifesto appeared on the internet, arguing the time has come for “egalitarian liberals” to reassess their behaviour and allegiances. Members include Norman Geras, Nick Cohen and Brian Brivati
POINTS INCLUDED
A rejection of the idea that the left should “indulgently ‘understand’ reactionary regimes and movements for which democracy is a hated enemy”
That members will condemn any abuse of human rights, and not see Guantanamo or rendition as being somehow worse than equivalent actions by non-democracies
That without incitement, people should be free to criticise others’ religious beliefs
That the duty of the left is to concentrate on seeing democracy triumph in Iraq and not ceaselessly to harp on about the justice of the initial intervention
WHY DOES IT MATTER?
Because, its authors believe, it will lead to a return to common sense and put an end to so-called liberals supporting gruesome regimes for political gain back home.
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2. Whatever you think about Hitchens publicizing a "private" email, fact is, hitchens critiques cole's view of Iranian prez substantially, while Cole (and most of u) simply call hitchens a drunk.
3. As someone has pointed out on another site, for a dissipated drunk, hitchens keeps himself awfully busy writing for a variety of publications and making TV appearances. Cole, meanwhile, whines about lawsuits...
4. Cole demolished Hitchens? doesn't look that way to me... he simply calls him a drunk (as do many of you) and makes noises about a U.S. invasion of Iran that never will take place, but never substantively addresses Hitchens point....
5. I agree Iran isn't able to deliver on prez's threat. but so what? making that point simply evades the original point, which is that Cole deliberately mistranslated Prez's speech for ideological purposes.
i guess i'm one of those disgruntled lefties, but i'm with the Euston bunch. cheers
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Posted by: Sojourner on May 7, 2006 11:29 AM
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Unilateral and bilateral military action, in the absence of an international consensus, has proved itself to be toxic. The left tradition is in support of international frameworks, as the only known positive alternative to imperialism. Let the UN translate the Iranian's speech. I don’t trust anyone else. I do know, however, that everytime I curse someone, I really don’t expect that God will actually damn that one. But maybe Hitchens does.
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Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant on May 7, 2006 11:26 PM
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the main concern i have is with this 'intent' of Ahmadinejad's words which you seem to feel you have understood better than others. and perhaps that is right. but a Professor should not be telling ANYONE to sit down and shut up. i have always felt that Islam is poorly represented in translation and Arabic-speaking friends have of course confirmed this view. so let's encourage debate about it. remember that without opposition you are crippled in your ability to flush out your ideas. my opinion is that Hitchen's 'contrarianism' obliges him now to sit on the neocon toilette for exactly this reason, and thinking people should be mindful that they cannot really know the intentions of others. he believes that pacifism can be immoral at times. your article distorts this position radically into "he possibly believes pacifism is immoral at all times" which is innuendo too, and degrades your position of having been attacked by him. if you're going to call somebody a warmonger, you damn well better be point-by-point about it or what are you really saying. meaningless epithets. point-by-point is how you prove the 'monger' o.k.?
but also, to hold that simply because Ahmadinejad's words have religious/spiritual overtones they cannot serve progandistic purposes also is arrogantly naive. poetry has served as the unquestionable base-rock of propoganda for millenia, and as a poet with many journalist friends i find it important to disabuse you of this notion if really you hold it. i understand that it may be tempting to a historian to think that poetry does nothing, like Auden said, but that is a lie, and any artist can recognize it as such. no poet would say that seriously without his own propogandistic intents.
there is an old Judaic/Gnostic/Rabbinical? (i'm not Jewish) saying about "writing on washed paper" and while he may have been speaking in light phrases or supposedly referring to Kohmeini, it is reprehensible to take any leader at his word, especially when you have the power to understand what he is saying better than others. translating to clarify is great, we do need to know what he really said. but there are more levels than that too, which one should be mindful of. for instance, writing on washed paper in the Jewish tradition refers to the scrolls that each new generation of pietists WASHES OFF and re-writes the proverbial passages. it is a way of incorporating the sacred text with a new passage, a new culture with an old. to wipe the Imam off the page of history is, to any intelligent middle easterner that i know, a duplicitous way of speaking, at best. he yes may be calling for change, but can you scent the slur that might possibly be coded in this?
your elitism about Persian (Farsi?) kind of disgusts me. there is a larger context that DOES include ENGLISH journalism, as well as the middle-eastern context that is MUCH larger than the language in which the leader of Iran speaks, and it is senseless to believe that he does not know what he might be saying, it is senseless to believe Hitchens does not understand. he does. he is a smart man. where he goes from there is his choice, and like us all. and often we all make poor choices. to use this for politicla purposes weakens your cause, even if you do equate it to liable.
i see little journalism going on either side of this fence.
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Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant on May 7, 2006 11:28 PM
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"What is really going on here is an old trick of the warmongers. Which is that you equate hurtful statements of your enemy with an actual military threat, and make a wea k and vulnerable enemy look like a strong, menacing foe. Then no one can complain when you pounce on the enemy and reduce his country to flames and rubble."
is this not what you are doing with Hitchens? except that you first have to tear him down by explaining about how he is a weak drunk before you establish that he is a powerful warmonger. either you don't understand the long curve of him, choose not to, or are simply unwilling to engage in debate (isn't this your profession?).
so why sit down and shut up? sit down and type. everything's a weapon in a time of war, including your new-age typewriter, and if you really believe his a warmonger now, you'd best button down and go point-by-point and hopefully more will follow. you've got some homework to do if you want to get this right. Prof.
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Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant on May 7, 2006 11:52 PM
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it's implications are not what they seem in the media. it is not broad. it is multiform. the 1 in everything. whatever you choose to call it. that this one should be endowed with seemingly infinite choice, begats strange bedfellows, slavishly crazed long comments with some goodam good points, hurt feelings on the blog, in slate and the neocon toilette, everything is universally reacted to differently. some choose to see this as freedom. some see terror.
the point is to use your words like a scalpel--and not a constant call-to-arms, which is what i understand writing for this forum demands, the eternal Alter (grandfather in German: Altar). but nor should it be a constant call-to-put-down-arms is what i guess the point of this really is. pacifism can be implicit in the words. it wants to be implicit in the soul and this would be probably the best way to achieve the necessary grace as a cause. it shouldn't forget what it's doing just to please the forum or try and influence the opinions of people who are already quite likeable to agree with you. those that need to be marketed to are not likely to help, consumers make crazy decisions, even in politics, and likely those that you stop courting will seem you doing with more purpose and find you lean and likeable still.
it is militant and dogmattic to tell us the places we will not be effing up. which is to use some misanthropic poet's words for disciplined. things can be made to sound any way, the neocons prove repeatedly that calling a duck a horse is probably acceptable to 'certain' well-endowed experts.
then those on the lam like myself will be eager to help the cause, to refine its intelligence, and to communicate it with more passion that it is more real and more committed, by finally having the courage to take some political views for granted and stop lashing the whip with the hiss of future goals.
we could take back the House, it is time to be firm, the immovable party could be put in a better place.
-le diable plaisant
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Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant on Jun 6, 2006 4:58 PM
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Posted by: IanA on May 5, 2006 4:15 AM
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Civilized people find peace normal and war an adoration. Civilized people prefer truth to spin, deceit, propaganda or outright lies. Civilized people do not use aggression to change people’s minds. Civilized people have are based in a reality in which individual people have a fundamental value and count irrespective of their nationality, religious or political beliefs, or race. Therefore civilized people put humanitarian values higher than self interested politicking and corrupt corporate interests.
From outside we can see America breaking down, with ignorance, propaganda, fear and above all an enormous propensity to believe that tax-payer sponsored and state organized violence and aggression is a method of satisfying the manipulated delusions of the masses. Seen from Europe this unfortunately is not a new or unique phenomenon.
When Prof. Cole calls on Universities to demonstrate against war he is appealing to the educated who have no excuse for not knowing or seeking the truth and he is also appealing to their self interest, pointing to the fact that the US forces would need to re-instate the draft to expand American military aggression. Personally I don’t believe you have to be either highly educated or motivated by self interest or self preservation to be civilized.
When will I be able to look at the United States of America as part of the civilized world again?
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Posted by: starvinmarvy on May 5, 2006 4:20 AM
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of the daily Alternet enlightened....you "rock" buddy!
We need more journalist like yourself who,with retribution
from the institution you work for always a possibility,STILL
continue to pursue truth and accuracy for the citizens of this country! Its good people like yourself who through your posts
educate and arm the truthseekers! You and those like yourself
are the "REAL LEADERS" of this country! Stay Well!
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Posted by: Ken Duerksen on May 5, 2006 6:07 AM
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LeCarre would write-in a dark-haired, sloe-eyed beauty who had at some point in the past stolen Hitchen's heart, but who now is held captive by Kurdish militia against his supportive propaganda (Hitchens espouses Kurdish nationalism to a degree that eclipses even his proclaimed love of Bush and Blair policies - but these are all related interests).
This story line would explain a lot - Hitchens' retreat from empirical facts; his sodden drunkenness (you can smell the single-malt over CSPAN); the abjectly crushed spirit that cries through his bloodshot eyes.
LeCarre novels always end with an act of redemptive altruistic sacrifice by its abused protagonist; perhaps Hitchens will find his soul again.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on May 5, 2006 6:10 AM
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While drunk Hitchens is a real card. He just lets it rip. Mr. Cole objections are that Mr. Hitchens latest gig requires him to take money from the neocons and justly lampoon the “liberals.” Well, too bad Mr. Cole. Your side is part of the problem. You spin your falsehoods, too.
When the neocon revolution comes to a crashing end, which is happening now, Mr. Hitchens will drift into redemption. Then the “liberals” will forgive, forget and pay this mountebank to spread “truth” about the neocon/conservatives.
Truth is, the world needs more drunken reporters and fewer drunken leaders like Mr. Bush.
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Posted by: eileen on May 5, 2006 6:18 AM
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or WE THE PEOPLE can RISE UP/Intifada and DO SOMETHING about it!
It was a religious/spiritual movement that spurred the abolition of slavery and worked towards civil rights.
If Amerians learned that slavery and the denial of human rights was an evil in our midst,
we can also learn that war and empire building is.
If you can be in DC May 17-20 attend TIKKUN's 2nd Network of Spiritual Progressives and TEACH-IN to Congress.
www.tikkun.org
And be a part of the solution.
"We have it in our power to change the world."-Tom Paine
That can only happen if we DO SOMETHING.
If you cannot attend, WAWA will be reporting:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
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Posted by: Bozwell on May 5, 2006 6:25 AM
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With Hichens, its like garbage in,( increased) garbage out. He caters to his perceived segment , others long ago deciphered his spielings and figured it was mere bloviated hot air for shock and awe performance to attempt to enhance his own perceivement. Just one of the neocon court jesters who brattles delusionally on and on not noticing most do indeed dismiss his offerings with rapidity finding him but a befuddled ,foolish character in the charade that has been foisted at expense of all and being more than ANY should have had to bear !! Into the sixth year of blunders, bungles and bumblings by this Bushed brigade, more are indeed praying these days that we DO survive and find a way to recover from all that has been wrought by the egregious , incompetence of the helmsmen/women from helle!!!
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1. Hitchens probably shouldn't have published something that was on a private email site, but in the great scheme of things, why is this even a story? it's petty and insignificant. Cole isn't a political leader, neither is hitchens... kinda like reporting on a private discussion among academics... yawn.
2. Once you strip away all the rhetoric and spin, Hitchens is surely more correct about the real meaning of the wacky Iranian prez's words than cole... i don't believe even he believes that Prez's statement was meant to be so benign. My guess -- and that's all it is -- would be that he meant "annihilate." That would be consistent with most of the rhetoric coming from Iran re: Israel since Khomeini took power.
3. The constant referrals to Hitchens supposed or real alcoholism/drunkenness show that the Right wing does not have the monopoly on character assassination. Are his arguments so difficult to refute that virtually every critique of Hitchens from the left usually begins with his so-called alcohol problem.... interestingly, when he was a maoist, never heard boo about it.....And, for that matter, are there no drunks on the left?
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Posted by: DennisDalrymple on May 5, 2006 9:52 AM
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Hurray for Juan Cole's ice pick through the pickled journalist.
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Let the reporters get drunk on their off-time. They should at least be sober while they're doing their reporting and writing. Or maybe there should be a Pulitzer or Peabody for "best reporting while drunk."
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GIVE IT UP HITCHENS! YOU LOSE
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Posted by: richards1052 on May 6, 2006 2:39 AM
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I also think that Cole's use of the term 'theft" to describe Hitchens' actions is a bit over the top. Did Hitchens do something nasty & perhaps unethical? Probably. But is that "theft?" Seems like too strong a term for what happened.
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The Bush team wish appears to be to bomb and invade Iran, especially the oil rich border region. Just like the case with Iraq, they need to spin the issue. One important goal: get the Israeli sectors behind the Iranian war plans by portraying Iran as an anti-semitic Nazi-like regime.
Fact to avoid mentioning: the Dimona nuclear complex in Israel, home of fission and fission-fusion (thermonuclear) weapon production. This partially underground complex makes it fairly certain that Israel will not be "wiped off the map". Also avoid mentioning nuclear deals with India, which raises certain questions about the Bush administration's incoherent and hypocritical foreign policies.
What do you think the Iranians think, looking at Dimona? "Hey - shouldn't we have one of those too?", is likely what they are thinking. The word on the street is that if you have nukes the crazy American president won't attack you. Iraq has been 'wiped off the map' as far as being a functioning economy goes; if Bush&Co. get their way the same thing will happen to Iran.
Hitchens is just a part of the overall propaganda effort; propaganda relies on minimal facts and maximal emotional impact; personal attacks are more 'emotive' then dry analysis (particularly when analysis results in inconvenient conclusions), ergo. One monkey starts screaming, and pretty soon the whole troop is in an uproar. I wonder if Hitchens is even aware of what his real role is... or maybe it's starting to slip through... that would explain the supposed drinking.
The Bush plan seems to be to start a new war to draw attention from the destruction caused by the last war, ad infinitum. Iraq, Iran, and then where? Syria?
How many times do they think they can trot out the same tired old horse manure? "Iran is the greatest threat to world safety since Hitler"..."Iran must never be allowed to produce smoking guns in the shape of mushroom clouds"..."this has absolutely, I repeat, absolutely nothing to do with oil."
They are even lining up the old king's son a la Chalabi... see this BBC report on Reza Pahlavi - guess what, Iran - it's back to the days of SAVAK. I'm sure the Iranians will think that is a great idea.... no doubt the king will be greeted by his grateful subjects with parades, just like the American GIs were greeted in Paris... I must say that it gives my heart joy to see the delicate flower of democracy blooming in these barren wastelands.
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Kevin Dam and Langhorne Motley served Reagan also during his political crime wave.
The Republicans should be called a party that is clearly "Dam Sic and Motley.
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Misguided support for dictators destroyed the left’s credibility. Christopher Hitchens welcomes a volte-face
One can stare at a simple sign or banner or placard for a long time before its true meaning discloses itself. The late John Sparrow, warden of All Souls College, Oxford, was once struck motionless by a notice at the foot of the escalator at Oxford Circus Tube station. “Dogs,” it read, “must be carried.” What to do then, wondered this celebrated pedant, if you hadn’t got a dog with you?
And then there came a day, well evoked by Ian McEwan in his novel Saturday, when hundreds of people I knew were prepared to traipse through the streets of London behind a huge banner that read “No war on Iraq. Freedom for Palestine”. This was in fact the official slogan of the organisers. Let us gaze at these two simple injunctions for a second.
Nobody had actually ever proposed a war “on” Iraq. It had been argued, whether persuasively or not, that Iraq and the world would be improved by the advent of the post-Saddam Hussein era. There was already a war in Iraq, with Kurdish guerrillas battling the Ba’athist regime and Anglo-American airborne patrols enforcing a “no-fly zone” in order to prevent the renewal of the 1991 attempted genocide in the Kurdish north and the Shi’ite south.
I certainly heard arguments in favour of a war for Iraq. A few months before the intervention, Dr Barham Salih — one of the leaders of the autonomous Kurdish region — flew to Rome to speak at a conference of the Socialist International (of which his party is a member). The place of the left, he said, was on the side of those battling against fascism. I went to Blackpool at about the same time to make a similar point at the annual Tribune rally at the Labour party conference.
The war “for” and “over” and “in” Iraq, in other words, had been going on for some time and I, for one, had taken a side in it.
What is then left of the word “on”? Should it not really have read “No quarrel with Saddam Hussein”? That would have been more accurate but perhaps less catchy. You keep hearing leaders of the anti-war crowd protesting that they don’t “really” act as apologists for Saddam. But this, if true, could easily have been demonstrated. “Hands off Iraq — but freedom for Kurdistan”, say. (This was, in fact, the position taken by many Arab leftists.)
“Freedom for Palestine”, though. What exactly is that doing there? Why not freedom for Lebanon, or Syria, which are just as far away? Or Darfur? No, it had to be Palestine, because the subject had to be changed. This was indeed the favourite tactic of Saddam himself. He never mentioned the Palestinians on the day he invaded and annexed Kuwait (and incidentally ruined, as Edward Said pointed out, the lives of the thriving Palestinian diaspora in that small country).
But as soon as he had exhausted the patience of the United Nations, Saddam began to yell that he would never surrender the territory he had stolen unless the Israelis ended their occupation, too. (An amusing subconscious equation between the two offences, incidentally, even if Saddam does share, with his hated Iranian foes, the desire to see Israel obliterated entirely.) In the waning years of the Ba’ath regime, Baghdad radio and television kept up a ceaseless rant of jihad, calling on all true Muslims to rally to the side of Saddam as part of the battle for Jerusalem.
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How comes it that Ramsey Clark, the equivalent public face in America, is one of Saddam’s legal team and has argued that he was justified in committing the hideous crimes of which he stands accused? Why is the left’s beloved cultural icon, Michael Moore, saying that the “insurgents” in Iraq are the equivalent of the American revolutionaries of 1776?
I believe there are three explanations for this horrid mutation of the left into a reactionary and nihilistic force. The first is nostalgia for the vanished “People’s Democracies” of the state socialist era. This has been stated plainly by Galloway and by Clark, whose political sect in the United States also defends Castro and Kim Jong-il.
The bulk of the anti-war movement also opposed the removal of the Muslim-slayer Slobodan Milosevic, which incidentally proves that their professed sympathy with oppressed Muslims is mainly a pose.
However, that professed sympathy does help us to understand the second motive. To many callow leftists, the turbulent masses of the Islamic world are at once a reminder of the glory days of “Third World” revolution, and a hasty substitute for the vanished proletariat of yore. Galloway has said as much in so many words and my old publishers at New Left Review have produced a book of Osama Bin Laden’s speeches in which he is compared with Che Guevara.
The third reason, not quite so well laid out by the rather 10th-rate theoreticians of today’s left, is that once you decide that American-led “globalisation” is the main enemy, then any revolt against it is better than none at all. In some way yet to be determined, Al-Qaeda might be able to help to stave off global warming. (I have not yet checked to see how this is squared with Bin Laden’s diatribe of last weekend, summoning all holy warrior aid to the genocidal rulers of Sudan as they complete the murder of African Muslims, and as they sell all their oil to China to create a whole new system of carbon emissions in Asia. At first sight, it looks like blood for oil to me.)
This hectic collapse in the face of brutish irrationality and the most cynical realpolitik has taken far too long to produce antibodies on the left. However, a few old hands and some sharp and promising new ones have got together and produced a statement that is named after the especially unappealing (to me) area of London in which it was discussed and written.
The “Euston Manifesto” keeps it simple. It prefers democratic pluralism, at any price, to theocracy. It raises an eyebrow at the enslavement of the female half of the population and the burial alive of homosexuals. It has its reservations about the United States, but knows that if anything is ever done about (say) Darfur, it will be Washington that receives the UN mandate to do the heavy lifting.
It prefers those who vote in Iraq and Afghanistan to those who put bombs in mosques and schools and hospitals. It does not conceive of arguments that make excuses for suicide murderers. It affirms the right of democratic nations and open societies to defend themselves, both from theocratic states abroad and from theocratic gangsters at home.
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Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair. His most recent book, Thomas Paine’s Rights of Man, will be published in May by Grove Atlantic
THE EUSTON MANIFESTO SPELLS OUT A CHANGE OF DIRECTION
WHAT IS IT?
In May last year about 20 disgruntled leftists met in a pub near Euston station in London. Journalists, academics, bloggers and students, they were united in feeling at odds with the anti-war movement and the blanket anti-American/anti-Blair sentiments it inspired. They felt that the left had lost touch with its core values, its muddled sympathies now falling in with terrorists in its rush to condemn its own government
WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT?
The manifesto appeared on the internet, arguing the time has come for “egalitarian liberals” to reassess their behaviour and allegiances. Members include Norman Geras, Nick Cohen and Brian Brivati
POINTS INCLUDED
A rejection of the idea that the left should “indulgently ‘understand’ reactionary regimes and movements for which democracy is a hated enemy”
That members will condemn any abuse of human rights, and not see Guantanamo or rendition as being somehow worse than equivalent actions by non-democracies
That without incitement, people should be free to criticise others’ religious beliefs
That the duty of the left is to concentrate on seeing democracy triumph in Iraq and not ceaselessly to harp on about the justice of the initial intervention
WHY DOES IT MATTER?
Because, its authors believe, it will lead to a return to common sense and put an end to so-called liberals supporting gruesome regimes for political gain back home.
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Posted by: codingguy on May 7, 2006 12:11 AM
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2. Whatever you think about Hitchens publicizing a "private" email, fact is, hitchens critiques cole's view of Iranian prez substantially, while Cole (and most of u) simply call hitchens a drunk.
3. As someone has pointed out on another site, for a dissipated drunk, hitchens keeps himself awfully busy writing for a variety of publications and making TV appearances. Cole, meanwhile, whines about lawsuits...
4. Cole demolished Hitchens? doesn't look that way to me... he simply calls him a drunk (as do many of you) and makes noises about a U.S. invasion of Iran that never will take place, but never substantively addresses Hitchens point....
5. I agree Iran isn't able to deliver on prez's threat. but so what? making that point simply evades the original point, which is that Cole deliberately mistranslated Prez's speech for ideological purposes.
i guess i'm one of those disgruntled lefties, but i'm with the Euston bunch. cheers
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Posted by: Sojourner on May 7, 2006 11:29 AM
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Unilateral and bilateral military action, in the absence of an international consensus, has proved itself to be toxic. The left tradition is in support of international frameworks, as the only known positive alternative to imperialism. Let the UN translate the Iranian's speech. I don’t trust anyone else. I do know, however, that everytime I curse someone, I really don’t expect that God will actually damn that one. But maybe Hitchens does.
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Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant on May 7, 2006 11:26 PM
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the main concern i have is with this 'intent' of Ahmadinejad's words which you seem to feel you have understood better than others. and perhaps that is right. but a Professor should not be telling ANYONE to sit down and shut up. i have always felt that Islam is poorly represented in translation and Arabic-speaking friends have of course confirmed this view. so let's encourage debate about it. remember that without opposition you are crippled in your ability to flush out your ideas. my opinion is that Hitchen's 'contrarianism' obliges him now to sit on the neocon toilette for exactly this reason, and thinking people should be mindful that they cannot really know the intentions of others. he believes that pacifism can be immoral at times. your article distorts this position radically into "he possibly believes pacifism is immoral at all times" which is innuendo too, and degrades your position of having been attacked by him. if you're going to call somebody a warmonger, you damn well better be point-by-point about it or what are you really saying. meaningless epithets. point-by-point is how you prove the 'monger' o.k.?
but also, to hold that simply because Ahmadinejad's words have religious/spiritual overtones they cannot serve progandistic purposes also is arrogantly naive. poetry has served as the unquestionable base-rock of propoganda for millenia, and as a poet with many journalist friends i find it important to disabuse you of this notion if really you hold it. i understand that it may be tempting to a historian to think that poetry does nothing, like Auden said, but that is a lie, and any artist can recognize it as such. no poet would say that seriously without his own propogandistic intents.
there is an old Judaic/Gnostic/Rabbinical? (i'm not Jewish) saying about "writing on washed paper" and while he may have been speaking in light phrases or supposedly referring to Kohmeini, it is reprehensible to take any leader at his word, especially when you have the power to understand what he is saying better than others. translating to clarify is great, we do need to know what he really said. but there are more levels than that too, which one should be mindful of. for instance, writing on washed paper in the Jewish tradition refers to the scrolls that each new generation of pietists WASHES OFF and re-writes the proverbial passages. it is a way of incorporating the sacred text with a new passage, a new culture with an old. to wipe the Imam off the page of history is, to any intelligent middle easterner that i know, a duplicitous way of speaking, at best. he yes may be calling for change, but can you scent the slur that might possibly be coded in this?
your elitism about Persian (Farsi?) kind of disgusts me. there is a larger context that DOES include ENGLISH journalism, as well as the middle-eastern context that is MUCH larger than the language in which the leader of Iran speaks, and it is senseless to believe that he does not know what he might be saying, it is senseless to believe Hitchens does not understand. he does. he is a smart man. where he goes from there is his choice, and like us all. and often we all make poor choices. to use this for politicla purposes weakens your cause, even if you do equate it to liable.
i see little journalism going on either side of this fence.
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Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant on May 7, 2006 11:28 PM
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"What is really going on here is an old trick of the warmongers. Which is that you equate hurtful statements of your enemy with an actual military threat, and make a wea k and vulnerable enemy look like a strong, menacing foe. Then no one can complain when you pounce on the enemy and reduce his country to flames and rubble."
is this not what you are doing with Hitchens? except that you first have to tear him down by explaining about how he is a weak drunk before you establish that he is a powerful warmonger. either you don't understand the long curve of him, choose not to, or are simply unwilling to engage in debate (isn't this your profession?).
so why sit down and shut up? sit down and type. everything's a weapon in a time of war, including your new-age typewriter, and if you really believe his a warmonger now, you'd best button down and go point-by-point and hopefully more will follow. you've got some homework to do if you want to get this right. Prof.
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Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant on May 7, 2006 11:52 PM
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it's implications are not what they seem in the media. it is not broad. it is multiform. the 1 in everything. whatever you choose to call it. that this one should be endowed with seemingly infinite choice, begats strange bedfellows, slavishly crazed long comments with some goodam good points, hurt feelings on the blog, in slate and the neocon toilette, everything is universally reacted to differently. some choose to see this as freedom. some see terror.
the point is to use your words like a scalpel--and not a constant call-to-arms, which is what i understand writing for this forum demands, the eternal Alter (grandfather in German: Altar). but nor should it be a constant call-to-put-down-arms is what i guess the point of this really is. pacifism can be implicit in the words. it wants to be implicit in the soul and this would be probably the best way to achieve the necessary grace as a cause. it shouldn't forget what it's doing just to please the forum or try and influence the opinions of people who are already quite likeable to agree with you. those that need to be marketed to are not likely to help, consumers make crazy decisions, even in politics, and likely those that you stop courting will seem you doing with more purpose and find you lean and likeable still.
it is militant and dogmattic to tell us the places we will not be effing up. which is to use some misanthropic poet's words for disciplined. things can be made to sound any way, the neocons prove repeatedly that calling a duck a horse is probably acceptable to 'certain' well-endowed experts.
then those on the lam like myself will be eager to help the cause, to refine its intelligence, and to communicate it with more passion that it is more real and more committed, by finally having the courage to take some political views for granted and stop lashing the whip with the hiss of future goals.
we could take back the House, it is time to be firm, the immovable party could be put in a better place.
-le diable plaisant
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