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Potential Evidence Surfaces of Bush's Illegal Spying
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Thomas Nelson has been practicing administrative law for most of his professional life, but after Sept. 11 he first began offering pro bono work for immigrants detained in broad FBI terrorism sweeps. He is currently leading a little-discussed case that may contain the first documented evidence of an illegal wiretap and believes that, as a result, he himself has been subjected to warrantless -- and therefore illegal -- wiretaps and physical searches, the kind of clandestine operation that Nixon referred to as "black bag jobs." And as a result of extreme carelessness by the FBI, Nelson may have his hands on the only solid evidence of these searches.
The story begins in February 2004, when the Office of Foreign Assets Control froze all funds of the Oregon branch of the Saudi Arabian charity Al-Haramain. Attorneys Asim Ghafoor and Wendell Belew defended the charity against the government's allegations that Al-Haramain Oregon was taking part in terrorist activities.
In August 2004, as a routine court procedure, the FBI provided the lawyers and defendants with documents relating to the trial. The FBI's lawyers accidentally released a document that showed the government had used logs of conversations between the lawyers and their clients, Soliman al-Buthi and the organization, to categorize Al-Haramain as a terrorist group. The catch is that the logs were obtained without a warrant.
Ghafoor and Belew initially assumed that the document was obtained through the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) -- which allows for warrantless wiretaps as long as a warrant is obtained within 72 hours. But they grew suspicious when the FBI requested the return of that document. The lawyers immediately complied, but the FBI failed to contact both Al-Buthi and Seda, both now living overseas, to get their copies back.
When the New York Times broke the news of the NSA spy program last December, Belew and Ghafoor realized that the logs obtained of their attorney-client communications were probably a result of the program. That's when they contacted Thomas Nelson, an attorney representing al-Buthi in a separate case (PDF).
Another missed 'slam dunk'
On May 6, 2004, Nelson's close friend, 37-year-old civil and immigration lawyer Brandon Mayfield, was arrested as a material witness in the Madrid train bombings. The linchpin in the case against Mayfield was a low-quality fingerprint from a bag in Spain that contained detonation devices.
Though Mayfield hadn't traveled abroad in nearly a decade, and although the Spanish authorities continually asserted their doubts regarding the print match, the Department of Justice held him for two weeks while they tried to compile evidence in the case.
While Nelson helped Mayfield put together a defense, he observed firsthand the lengths to which the government went to to justify Mayfield's detainment. After the fingerprint was mistakenly tied to Mayfield, Nelson says the FBI started following him to try to find any evidence against him.
As the Portland Oregonian reports,
Initially, Portland's squad of investigators had just a few pieces of information about Mayfield. They knew his birthday and Social Security Number, and that he'd served in the military from 1985 to 1994. Analysts checked FBI databases to see if Mayfield was the subject of any investigations. He wasn't, but a deeper search circumstantially connected Mayfield to "other suspected terrorists." Court records showed that less than two years earlier, Mayfield had represented Jeffrey Leon Battle in a custody dispute. Battle was a member of the Portland Seven, a group arrested in 2002 for plotting to fight with the Taliban against U.S. soldiers.Mayfield's legal files were seized by the government, and he had to fight to have them reviewed by a third party that could provide sufficient protections of the privileged material. An Oregon judge agreed to this and, finding nothing suspicious, ordered the government to release them.
Even as Spanish officials questioned the fingerprint match, FBI officials in Washington urged Portland prosecutors to disregard them. An e-mail from an FBI counterterrorism supervisor reads, "I spoke with the lab this morning, and they are absolutely confident that they have a match on the print. -- No doubt about it!!!!"
These kind of "slam-dunk" pronouncements have a way of backfiring: On May 19, Spanish authorities conclusively determined that the print belonged to Ouhnane Daoud, an Algerian citizen. On May 20, Mayfield was released, and the judge in the case /www.nacdl.org/__8525701C006539F8.nsf/0/9090373DE4FA9C7D85256F3300551E42?Open">refused the government's request to continue monitoring Mayfield's communications.
Nelson's experience with Mayfield's case gave him a better sense of what was happening to him when he took on Soliman al-Buthi's case at the end of 2004. Soliman, remember, while currently overseas, is one of the few who was provided with a copy of the conversation logs accidentally released by the FBI. And while the FBI did not attempt to make contact with al-Buthi, he is, according to OFAC, a "specially designated global terrorist."
If they were looking for al-Buthi, he wouldn't be hard to find. Just this past month, the Washington Post covered the work al-Buthi is doing in Saudi Arabia: "Sulaiman al-Buthi, a Riyadh-based spokesman for the International Committee for the Defense of the Final Prophet, says this religious but peaceful activism could put an end to violence and drive groups like al-Qaida out of business."
When he isn't publicly speaking against al-Qaida, he is working as an assistant director of beautification in the city of Riyadh. "Basically, he's the flower guy," Nelson told Amy Goodman in an interview, "He is responsible for the second annual Riyadh Flower Festival."
Though the FBI knew that an alleged "terrorist" possessed a document containing information about the NSA program, they did not try to find al-Buthi, or contact his lawyer, Thomas Nelson -- at least not directly.
The black bag jobs begin
Nelson officially started representing al-Buthi in September 2004; soon after, the FBI document was inadvertently released. A few months later, Nelson observed inconsistencies when he came to his office: His computer would be left on, disks still in the drive, materials shifted. Fellow lawyers from the office, working late, noticed someone on at least three occasions posing as a member of the janitorial crew, trying to get into the office.
The Oregonian reported that attorney Jonathan Norling "was sleeping on a couch at their practice early one morning last May, when a man dressed as a custodian tried to enter Nelson's office. Norling startled the man twice one night in July, when he caught the man trying to enter the locked office." The man in question had what appeared to be a valid badge for the building. But Norling notes, "This person wasn't a cleaning crew. I know the cleaning crew. I've worked here seven years, and I've worked a lot of nights, and I never experienced anything like that until Tom was working (on this case)."
Though Nelson approached the security people at the building, they wouldn't talk to him. "They were very blunt," he told AlterNet in a phone interview. He then took his concerns to the building manager. "It was all very disconcerting and inconclusive," says Nelson. "There was no direct denial. At the end, I said, 'You probably couldn't tell me if something was going on anyway.' He said, 'That's probably right.'"
After these incidents, Nelson brought the al-Buthi files to his house. That's when he and his wife experienced lapses in his home alarm that the company monitors refused to explain. "They basically stonewalled us," says Nelson. "We kept calling people and they kept referring us around and saying 'We'll call you back,' but no one would ever call back."
Sensing that he may be experiencing the same kinds of searches as the FBI performed in Brandon Mayfield's case, Nelson wrote a letter [PDF] to Karin Immergut, U.S. attorney for Oregon in September 2005, requesting she "look into the matter and to inform me if representatives … have engaged in these searches." Immergut said she was not aware of any warrantless searches. After the New York Times broke the NSA story, Nelson wrote Immergut again, stating that, based upon the report, he may be the target of searches outside of the scope of FISA. Immergut responded, "I was completely unaware of any NSA surveillance program until I read about it in the media," and suggested Nelson contact the NSA directly.
Which is exactly what Nelson did. But the only response [PDF] he received reads like pure bureaucratic satire:
Rest assured that safeguards are in place to protect the civil liberties of U.S. citizens. However, because of the highly classified nature of the program, we can neither confirm nor deny the existence of records responsive to your request. The fact of the existence or non-existence of responsive records is a currently and properly classified matter in accordance with Executive Order 12598, as amended. Moreover, the third exemption to FOIA provides for the withholding of information specifically protected from disclosure by statute. Thus, your request is also denied because the fact of the existence or non-existence of the information is exempted from disclosure pursuant to the third exemption.Nelson believes the clandestine searches of his home and office have ended. But he still feels a lingering sense of discomfort: "Every time I think about the possibility that they were in my home, I get very angry … My office is one thing, my home is something else. I don't want a bunch of spooks showing up there."
The fact that most frustrates Nelson is that no one ever tried to contact him or al-Buthi personally; rather, they resorted to what Nelson thinks must be illegal searches. "In retrospect," Nelson says, "I think they were trying to get the [leaked FBI] document back. If the searches were pursuant to FISA, it would be interesting to find out what they told the judge to get a warrant -- 'We've been conducting this illegal wiretapping program, we've embarrassed ourselves, there's this document out there that Nelson has, will you give us a warrant to get it back?'"
This is the circular logic that lies at the root of the debacle: In order to hide evidence of an illegal search program, the government is taking part in illegal searches.
Nelson has been cautious since he took on Asim Ghafoor and Wendell Belew's case against the NSA. Having intimately experienced the violation of law the government is willing to take part in to keep the NSA program under wraps, Nelson elected to put the classified document in the hands of the judge. Filing it under seal, Nelson hopes to keep the document safe and the case alive.
The formal legal complaint, [PDF] filed in February, states clearly that Ghafoor and Belew's communications with their Al-Haramain charity clients were recorded without a warrant outside FISA: "Defendant National Security Agency did not obtain a court order authorizing such electronic surveillance, nor did it otherwise follow the procedures mandated by FISA."
Though the evidence is promising, the battle is far from won. The Department of Justice is fighting hard to get the classified document back under its control. Nelson and his co-counsel Steve Goldberg raised an objection -- pointing out to the judge that it might not be wise to hand evidence over to a defendant in the case, which led to this tense exchange:
U.S. District Judge Garr King: What if I say I will not deliver it (the document) to the FBI, Mr. Coppolino?
DoJ Attorney Anthony Coppolino: Well, your honor, we obviously don't want to have any kind of a confrontation with you; we want to work this out, but it has to be secured in a proper fashion. And I respect the court's, you know, authority, but on the other hand, I also would have to reiterate that it has to be secured properly.Nelson fully expects the DoJ lawyers to pull out all the stops in order to justify the executive power behind the NSA program and for the president's right to keep the program from the public. The DoJ already filed a request explaining why the document, and hence the case, should never be made public. That explanation was unsurprisingly filed under seal, proving that even explaining why something should be classified has been deemed a classified matter. But despite the powers he's fighting against, Nelson believes that the fact that the document has seen the light of day means the fight will eventually be won.
The continued obfuscation of inquiries into the NSA program illustrates that the president's lawyers blur the distinction between protecting our national security and protecting the president's transgressions of the law from scrutiny.
There are a handful of individuals and organizations enduring intensive intimidation campaigns and spearheading legislation against the president and the NSA to put a stop to a program that is slowly undermining the basic tenets of our legal system.
Simply electing to represent someone designated a "terrorist" requires attorneys to obtain a license from OFAC or risk jail. As Nelson explained, "The purpose of OFAC is to keep an eye on 'terrorists' and, by extension, their attorneys … Frankly, I don't think this process could pass constitutional muster, but that's a fight for another day."
While the legal ins and outs of the NSA spy program may at times be complex, the essence of what Thomas Nelson is fighting for is simple: upholding the judicial tenet of "innocent until proven guilty" and the separation of powers laid out in the Constitution.
In the coming weeks, the government must file a response to Thomas Nelson's complaint. While the DoJ will inevitably try to push it from the courts, and from public attention, it is only a matter of time before the simplicity of what is at stake takes root. As Nelson explained, "It's a question of whether one man can, as commander in chief, ride roughshod over all the protections in the Constitution. If this is our response to 9/11, we've lost. If this kind of practice can occur because of 9/11, Osama won."
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Posted by: nbrown on May 8, 2006 12:18 AM
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First, I hope people move beyond the legal/illegal framing. Sure it's illegal, but more importantly, it's wrong.
Second, this article suggests at one point, somewhat indirectly, that civil liberties come at the expense of national security. It depends on what you think national security actually is.
If "national" security means federal government security, then certainly, freedom is a threat to government.
But if national security concerns our security as people, then only civil liberties can ensure our safety. How the hell can we be safe in an unfree country?
Freedom = security.
Don't ever let some politician tell you it's not!
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AlterNet, it is your responsibility as well as that of every other aspiring free citizen of the modern world to devote focused attention to what is happening here.
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Posted by: itchyvet on May 8, 2006 4:37 AM
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So much for the land of the free, home of the brave crap.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on May 8, 2006 4:56 AM
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The first link was the FISA. Indeed, it made illegal searches legal, yet secret.
The last link was Patriot II.
It is only a short time until the military dictatorship drops all pretense of defenders of liberty and declares the rights of all defunct.
Have a nice day.
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» another 2 million?
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Posted by: willie.horton on May 8, 2006 5:18 AM
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Yes, that would unleash a s***storm of trouble, but I'd get away with it in the end (here in Delaware, anyway); meanwhile, the publicity would shine a million-candlepower spotlight on the problem.
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“THERE ARE THREE KINDS OF LIES : LIES, DAMNED LIES, AND STATISTICS.”
IF ANYONE HAS THAT ACADEMIC NOTION THAT THE "EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE ALL RIGHT.." AUTHORED BY DR BUSH "SILVERFOOT" FEELGOOD, SHOULD LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND BLAME HIMSELF...WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FOR THE PAST FIVE(5) YEARS, IN A CAVE, PRACTICING TO BE A MONK...??? WE ARE AT THE TIME WHERE WE ARE QUESTIONING HOW BUSH "SILVERFOOT" EVER GOT ELECTED AS WAS HUNTER THOMPSON IN 1973 :
"By the time Richard Milhous Nixon goes on trial in the Senate, the only real reason for trying him will be to understand how he ever became president of the United States at all ... and the real defendant, at that point, will be the American Political System. "
SO WHAT ARE YOU AS THE MAJORITY OF ONE GOING TO TAKE ACTION TO REVERSE THE ASSININE AND VACUOUS DIRECTION BY THE RE-PUG-NICAN ADMINISTRATION...??? SURELY, ONE DOESN'T THINK THAT THE CURRENT ELECTED GIRLIE-MEN/WOMEN WILL START THE IMPEACHMENT...I CAN HEAR THE RESONATING WARNING OF MARTIN LUTHER KING :
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."
HAS THE END COME FOR OUR BELOVED NATION....??? LET ME LEAVE THAT THOUGHT WITH YOU...
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Posted by: Longdream on May 8, 2006 6:11 AM
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What are we looking at here?
We've got "spooks" who don't even bother to conceal their breaking and entering except to get maybe a coverall and a phony ID. After an office is subject to a "secret" search it's left in disarray. There is what seems to be strong-arm intimidation performed on a private alarm company.
Either they hired room-temperature IQ failed mafiosi from the witness protection program to do their legwork, or they just don't care because the system can't work for us anymore.
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Posted by: gar on May 8, 2006 6:42 AM
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Come on people. We should be impeaching every last person in Congress who fails to uphold our rights as citizens AND their rights as the Legislative Branch.
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Rest assured, however, that this story, as with every other story like it, will never make the public airwaves. Even if someone, some maverick producer at some network, might think this could be important to the public to...you know... learn something about the real workings of the government it voted into power, that producer couldn't find the time to air it, because –– well, hey! Tom and Katie had a baby!!
Yahoo...we're done for. . .
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So where does that leave me? A citizen of your so-called Democracy? It leaves me holding a riot gun loaded with Double Ought Buckshot waiting for the door to cave in, that's where! And you have the gall to call this a Democracy?
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"...They only showed that Mr. Kurtz lacked restraint in the gratification of his various lusts, that there was something wanting in him-- some small matter which, when the pressing need arose, could not be found under his magnificent eloquence. Whether he knew of this deficiency himself I can't say. I think the knowledge came to him at last--only at the very last. But the wilderness had found him out early, and had taken on him a terrible vengeance for the fantastic invasion. I think it had whispered to him things about himself which he did not know, things of which he had no conception till he took counsel with this great solitude--and the whisper had proved irresistibly fascinating. It echoed loudly within him because he was hollow at the core. . . . "
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News Flash: Corporate mafiosi with private armies, private spy agencies and private propaganda services are running the US government and economy into the ground for their own personal benefit.
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Posted by: Ray on May 12, 2006 12:47 PM
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Been there, done that, and I can state that slaves don't have rights; and citizens who are duly convicted loose their so-called citizenship rights (or priviliges).
The other problem is that slave terrority is expanding outside of the confines of prison as the spoils of war, and as a class status (as witnessed within the contents of this article, as realized within the comments thereto, and as exposed on a daily basis with this administration and their monopoly corporate partners). Our so-called democracy has been over-thrown with more and more daily fascist slavemaster gains.
Under this avericious slavemaster state we will continue to loose more than mere rights. So, what is to be done?
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Posted by: nbrown on May 8, 2006 12:18 AM
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First, I hope people move beyond the legal/illegal framing. Sure it's illegal, but more importantly, it's wrong.
Second, this article suggests at one point, somewhat indirectly, that civil liberties come at the expense of national security. It depends on what you think national security actually is.
If "national" security means federal government security, then certainly, freedom is a threat to government.
But if national security concerns our security as people, then only civil liberties can ensure our safety. How the hell can we be safe in an unfree country?
Freedom = security.
Don't ever let some politician tell you it's not!
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Posted by: bodo on May 8, 2006 12:58 AM
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» This is true, however, I also think any expectation of privacy is.....
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Posted by: itchyvet on May 8, 2006 4:37 AM
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So much for the land of the free, home of the brave crap.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on May 8, 2006 4:56 AM
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The first link was the FISA. Indeed, it made illegal searches legal, yet secret.
The last link was Patriot II.
It is only a short time until the military dictatorship drops all pretense of defenders of liberty and declares the rights of all defunct.
Have a nice day.
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» another 2 million?
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Posted by: willie.horton on May 8, 2006 5:18 AM
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Yes, that would unleash a s***storm of trouble, but I'd get away with it in the end (here in Delaware, anyway); meanwhile, the publicity would shine a million-candlepower spotlight on the problem.
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» Yep... It’s happened before.
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Posted by: SJR505 on May 8, 2006 5:54 AM
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“THERE ARE THREE KINDS OF LIES : LIES, DAMNED LIES, AND STATISTICS.”
IF ANYONE HAS THAT ACADEMIC NOTION THAT THE "EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE ALL RIGHT.." AUTHORED BY DR BUSH "SILVERFOOT" FEELGOOD, SHOULD LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND BLAME HIMSELF...WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FOR THE PAST FIVE(5) YEARS, IN A CAVE, PRACTICING TO BE A MONK...??? WE ARE AT THE TIME WHERE WE ARE QUESTIONING HOW BUSH "SILVERFOOT" EVER GOT ELECTED AS WAS HUNTER THOMPSON IN 1973 :
"By the time Richard Milhous Nixon goes on trial in the Senate, the only real reason for trying him will be to understand how he ever became president of the United States at all ... and the real defendant, at that point, will be the American Political System. "
SO WHAT ARE YOU AS THE MAJORITY OF ONE GOING TO TAKE ACTION TO REVERSE THE ASSININE AND VACUOUS DIRECTION BY THE RE-PUG-NICAN ADMINISTRATION...??? SURELY, ONE DOESN'T THINK THAT THE CURRENT ELECTED GIRLIE-MEN/WOMEN WILL START THE IMPEACHMENT...I CAN HEAR THE RESONATING WARNING OF MARTIN LUTHER KING :
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."
HAS THE END COME FOR OUR BELOVED NATION....??? LET ME LEAVE THAT THOUGHT WITH YOU...
S+JIM+RODRIGUEZ+++ECLECTICIST SEEKER+++
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 8, 2006 6:09 AM
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Posted by: Longdream on May 8, 2006 6:11 AM
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What are we looking at here?
We've got "spooks" who don't even bother to conceal their breaking and entering except to get maybe a coverall and a phony ID. After an office is subject to a "secret" search it's left in disarray. There is what seems to be strong-arm intimidation performed on a private alarm company.
Either they hired room-temperature IQ failed mafiosi from the witness protection program to do their legwork, or they just don't care because the system can't work for us anymore.
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Posted by: gar on May 8, 2006 6:42 AM
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Come on people. We should be impeaching every last person in Congress who fails to uphold our rights as citizens AND their rights as the Legislative Branch.
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» exactly what I was going to say!
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Posted by: monkeywrench on May 8, 2006 1:47 PM
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Rest assured, however, that this story, as with every other story like it, will never make the public airwaves. Even if someone, some maverick producer at some network, might think this could be important to the public to...you know... learn something about the real workings of the government it voted into power, that producer couldn't find the time to air it, because –– well, hey! Tom and Katie had a baby!!
Yahoo...we're done for. . .
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» RE: Imposed ignorance is not bliss. . .
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Posted by: gonzoskismet on May 8, 2006 3:59 PM
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So where does that leave me? A citizen of your so-called Democracy? It leaves me holding a riot gun loaded with Double Ought Buckshot waiting for the door to cave in, that's where! And you have the gall to call this a Democracy?
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 9, 2006 9:33 AM
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"...They only showed that Mr. Kurtz lacked restraint in the gratification of his various lusts, that there was something wanting in him-- some small matter which, when the pressing need arose, could not be found under his magnificent eloquence. Whether he knew of this deficiency himself I can't say. I think the knowledge came to him at last--only at the very last. But the wilderness had found him out early, and had taken on him a terrible vengeance for the fantastic invasion. I think it had whispered to him things about himself which he did not know, things of which he had no conception till he took counsel with this great solitude--and the whisper had proved irresistibly fascinating. It echoed loudly within him because he was hollow at the core. . . . "
Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness
News Flash: Corporate mafiosi with private armies, private spy agencies and private propaganda services are running the US government and economy into the ground for their own personal benefit.
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Posted by: Ray on May 12, 2006 12:47 PM
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Been there, done that, and I can state that slaves don't have rights; and citizens who are duly convicted loose their so-called citizenship rights (or priviliges).
The other problem is that slave terrority is expanding outside of the confines of prison as the spoils of war, and as a class status (as witnessed within the contents of this article, as realized within the comments thereto, and as exposed on a daily basis with this administration and their monopoly corporate partners). Our so-called democracy has been over-thrown with more and more daily fascist slavemaster gains.
Under this avericious slavemaster state we will continue to loose more than mere rights. So, what is to be done?
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