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The rallies are backed by an "unusually broad coalition of 164 humanitarian and religious groups, including Amnesty International and the National Association of Evangelicals," and its message is clear: "What we cannot do is turn our heads and look away and hope that this will somehow disappear," as Clooney put it yesterday. "It's the first genocide of the 21st century." Take a moment to sign up with SaveDarfur.org and the Genocide Intervention Network, and attend a rally in your area.
Not just symbolism
"What we do about Darfur says a lot about us and the conscience of our generation. We don't have that excuse anymore, saying we didn't know about it, there's nothing we can do," says Adam Zuckerman, 18, a senior at Deering High School in Portland, Maine, who "raised $6,000 to bring a busload of Reform Jews and Sudanese immigrants from Maine" to one of the rallies on Sunday. High school and college students have been among the most active in organizing grassroots efforts around Darfur. Universities nationwide are waging a successful effort to divest their financial holdings in oil firms and other corporations doing business with Sudan's government. (Sudan gets 43 percent of its revenue from oil-related sales and pours 60 percent of all oil revenue into military expenditures.)
The campaign "also aims at states and municipalities. Illinois, New Jersey and Oregon have approved divestment, and legislation is pending in several other states." And there are signs that the efforts are working. "Seeking to counter the divestment campaign," the New York Times reports, "Sudan's ambassador to the United States issued a statement on April 5, calling on American companies and universities to increase investments in Sudan."
Violence getting worse
By now, the scope of the atrocities in Darfur is well known; in this "slow motion genocide," which the United Nation calls the "world's greatest humanitarian crisis," 2.5 million have been driven from their homes and up to 400,000 have died. But after a relative downtick in violence in 2005, the situation has drastically deteriorated. "I don't think the world has understood how bad it has become of late," U.N. humanitarian chief Jan Egeland said last week, claiming the violence is "as bad as ever." He warned that many U.N. humanitarian operations are "in danger of collapsing within the next few weeks or months." Already, U.N. officials say the international community is "keeping people alive with our humanitarian assistance until they are massacred." Just yesterday, analysts warned of a "new military offensive by the Sudanese government" -- one that included the use of "an Antonov plane and two helicopter gunships" -- that has put "the lives of tens of thousands of people at risk."
President Bush must show leadership
In her book, Power writes, "No U.S. president has ever made genocide prevention a priority, and no U.S. president has ever suffered politically for his indifference to its occurrence. It is thus no coincidence that genocide rages on." Under pressure from religious and student groups, Bush has at least been prodded to speak publicly about the issue on occasion. Unfortunately, his words have not been followed by decisive action, which fuels a dangerous dynamic: the Sudanese government believes that there is no price to pay for inaction, that there is "no connection between the U.S. bark and its bite." Even the U.N. Security Council sanctions imposed this week on four Sudanese individuals show the inconsistency of U.S. policy.
On the one hand, the United States pushed harder for the sanctions than any other country. On the other hand, U.N. Ambassador John Bolton successfully managed "to keep top Sudanese commanders" from being targeted. Thanks to Bolton, the sanction list was whittled down to four from eight, only one of whom "is a Sudanese government official, and a mid-level official at that."
A real security threat
Increasingly, Darfur is having a direct impact on U.S. national interests. An executive order signed by Bush just this week states that the "persistence of violence in Sudan's Darfur region" poses "an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States." Sudan is the "single most unstable country in the entire world" according to Foreign Policy magazine's latest Failed States Index.
The ongoing violence there is not only fueling regional instability in states like Chad and the Central African Republic, but creating "exactly the kind of place al-Qaeda has successfully exploited in the past and might again," according to experts. Helping curb the violence would also demonstrate to the Arab and Muslim worlds that U.S. foreign policy does not have the anti-Muslim bent that Osama bin Laden and others claim, since "nearly all of the victims of the genocide are Muslim." With strong action on Darfur, the U.S. could improve its own security, "literally save tens of thousands of lives and…enable, over time, literally two and a half million people to go home again." But urgent action is needed now.
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Posted by: thinkverybig on Apr 29, 2006 12:10 AM
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It's time for a damn change. I'm so fed up with BUSH, politics, greed, ego etc. Let's start caring about our neighbors. I am really fed up and it's really time for a change.
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Posted by: bodo on Apr 29, 2006 2:47 AM
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Actually, it could go either way. Sure we'd be helping many Muslims escape the Genocide, but we'd also be fighting the other Muslims who are committing it. The Muslims that have been persecuted are African Muslims, among them also are Christians and Animists. The Muslims committing the atrocities are Arab Muslims. The Stereotypic terrorist identity is that of the Arab Muslim extremist, not the African. The Global Arab Muslim community, Al Qaeda or otherwise, is more likely to identify with the Muslims we would be removing from power, than the Muslims we would be there to help.
The government has used an "Arab" paramilitary, the Janjaweed, to ethnically cleanse the Darfur region of 'Africans."
For decades Sudan has been embroiled in a brutal civil war pitting the Arab Muslims of the north, who control the government, against the African Christians and animists of the south.
A separate conflict now rages in the western region of Darfur, where Arab militias, known as Janjaweed and backed by the president, have launched an ethnic cleansing campaign against African Muslims.
"There were kids thrown into rivers filled with crocodiles just for sport," says Janet McElligott, a former spokeswoman for north-south peace talks.
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Where is the rest of the world on this crisis?
The suffering in Darfur has been going on for well over three years. Now is the time for the United Nations and the rest of the world to show their teeth.....and prove the point that Liberals have been trying to make for forty years...... that peace can be achieved with love and understanding, and most importantly.......without the United States military.
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Posted by: cry0fan on Apr 29, 2006 5:26 AM
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Oh, right, you took the overclass version of history in the overclass schools. Look, you don't like to read such hard stuff, right? Fine. You don't need to read to get the truth. Just go the the library of congress images online collection. Take a few weeks/months whatever and look at all them purty pitchers from the past. Look at them. Think about them in light of what I am trying to tell you. The true history of America is there if you think about what you see.
I am making a documentary to try to give you some of this knowledge, but it will take me years.
This is nothing new. THis is old stuff.
The overclass has LONG used foreign events to grab more power. Just ignore them.
American monies should be spent at home. Period.
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Posted by: fairleft on Apr 29, 2006 7:28 AM
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There's a civil war over there, started by the rebels (of course), whose only chance is winning the propaganda war in the West (in particular in the USA). And that's why these wars start, because rebels against a regime hated by the West will always win the propaganda war in the West. The war creates a humanitarian crisis, and the regime struggles to save lives (it has been commended for its efforts by the World Health Organization) despite being economically crippled by sanctions since 1997 and a long Western-backed civil war in its south.
Even now there is a peace conference to resolve the Darfur conflict, but the rebels are doing so well in the propaganda war that they may think they don't have negotiate in good faith. Bet you didn't know this: the final sticking point is that the government wants a referendum in Darfur before handing over regional autonomy; the rebels at the negotiating table (who don't represent all of the rebel groups) don't want a referendum they want power handed to them directly. So the war goes on, and that in a nutshell is why the humanitarian crisis goes on.
The civil war is brutal, both sides commit atrocities including burning down villages. But the scale of the atrocities is vastly exaggerated, as it always is in WAR PROPAGANDA. Would people please wake up to the imperialists' game?! In the end everyone loses except the multinational corporations who want a compliant neoliberal regime in Sudan.
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Posted by: tanstaafl28 on Apr 29, 2006 7:36 AM
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The truth of the matter is that, despite the previous century of unprecedented prosperity, the U.S. cannot afford to continue to play "Global Cop," nor can it continue to dole out millions of (mostly borrowed) dollars subsidizing most of the Third World. A more permanant solution needs to be formulated, one that involves global participation, encouraging self-sufficiency, and doesn't involve any military intervention/occupation.
Lastly, the Bush Cabal does not engage in "humanitarian aid" that doesn't involve in a profit motive. They will happily make speeches, pay lip service, offer superficial support, and coordinate donations from private citizens, but they would rather spend other peoples' money someplace where they'll get a return on their investment.
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Of note, there is a HUGE difference between intervening in Iraq for greed, oil and lust for power -- and a humanitarian cause (stopping genocide) that can be readily embraced by the world community as a worthy endeavor.
Also remember that the time when the US pulled together best was during WWII, because it was such a clear case of right and wrong (stopping the Germans, stopping the genocide which led to the deaths of 17 million people, and not just Jews).
What's needed in Darfur is an international effort, where the world leaders come together, gang up on the government to stop the killing, and intervene as a GLOBAL force, if necessary.
It will take money and lives, unfortunately. But we do not deserve to survive on this planet as a species if we allow this to continue.
Furthermore, the US is currently estranged from most of the world for its "go-it-alone, to-hell-with-you-all" policies. Joining an international coalition to go into Darfur, and remove the government, and the paramilitary troops, and set up a more humane government will cost less money and less American lives than doing it alone -- and these actions also would begin to rebuild our relationship with the world if we step up to the plate and work as part of a coalition.
Get real. Allowing people to be massacred, and for children of the wrong ethnicity to be thrown to crocodiles for sport, is JUST PLAIN WRONG!!!
Sir Edmund Burke, an Irish-born British stateman from the 1700s, said it best: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Folks, we have many tough problems to solve. But it doesn't mean we should abandon people who are dying like flies at the hands of power-hungry groups with guns.
In addition, we are part of a global economy more than ever before. We rely on other countries for our oil, our manufacturing and our goods and services. We are mired in debt to other countries.
To say that we should adopt isolationism (the basic message of this posting to which I'm responding) is unrealistic and tantamount to putting our heads in the sand. Given our economic circumstances alone, we will never be able to shut the borders and just live our lives.
Let's think like Spike Lee and "do the right thing" here.
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Posted by: JaJa0812 on Apr 29, 2006 3:13 PM
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The week preceding the event, we had an awareness table on "The Yard" (the most high-traffic area on ECU campus). On the table, we had ribbons, wristbands, postcards that can be sent to Prez Bush urging him to do more, "a call to conscience" banner, flyers on Simon Deng & a modern-day slave fact sheet, and posters of the victims. The most important thing we had on the table was a NC Divestment Campaign that students could sign urging NC businesses not to do business with the government of Sudan.
We found that it was not easy getting people to sign the campaign, a lot students' did not know about what is going on in Darfur, so we had to walk up to them and talk to them about it before we could get people to sign the Divestment campaign. Also, we contact professors and urged them to offer extra credit to the students that came to the event.
In Simon Deng's speech, he stated that what the U.S. could do is the train & give better arms to the African Union troops on the ground right now to stop the genocide. Also, he stated a divestment campaign against the gov't of Sudan would help to stop the genocide in Darfur.
Helpful Resources:
www.savedarfur.org
www.iabolish.org
www.millionvoicesfordarfur.org
www.ushmm.org/conscience/
www.sudanactivism.com/index.html
www.sudandivestment.com/
It is not easy, but someone has to do it!!! Any questions, email- Princess5812@blackplanet.com
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 29, 2006 8:36 PM
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Here is a perfect opportunity for wise use of the US military - send in Special Forces to make contact with local leaders; establish a certain level of trust, and then send in larger international military forces to put an end to the genocide.
However, since the US military is now working as a contract agency for international oil interests, thanks to the stealing of the past two US national elections by the Bush-Cheney junta, such a notion is totally implausible. The US will cut a deal that allows ExxonMobil or ChevronTexaco to get control of the oilfields; China will resist this due to their extensive oil contracts with the Sudanese government. The locals on the ground will continue to pay the price.
Just look at what ExxonMobil is up to in Chad. The history of that project (the Chad Cameroon pipeline) is worth looking into - a deal funded by the World Bank for the benefit of XOM. You won't hear about Darfur, Chad and Sudan in the US corporate media because the main outlets (CNN, ABC, etc) are controlled by the same investment banks that are reaping XOM and CVX profits (Exxon and Chevron).
If you really want to stop this, you have to get off the oil. That's all there is to it. Too bad everything we do is linked to oil - agriculture, transportation, everything. What's that? Blood on my hands? Who, me?
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Posted by: nbrown on Apr 30, 2006 12:32 AM
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Sudan: 1.6 billion barrels
Iraq: 112.5 billion barels.
Don't kid yourself. Bush doesn't give a shit about genocide in Sudan.
The military is a racket.
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The UNs weakness on this issue is both maddening and frustrating, but the Bush Administration is doing nothing to help change that except to further dismantle the UN.
I fear the day that a report comes out that all the children are gone. Thus will begin the requiem for all humankind as we depart the face of this Earth.
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A. Completely delusional to think our president has ever been motivated to compassion by the senseless deaths of untold thousands
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B. Using Darfur as a backdrop to point out our president's various and appalling deficiencies as a statesman and a human being.
People who claim to expect George Bush to get involved in this tend to make me suspect that they do not care as much about Darfur as they do about criticizing Bush. Don't get me wrong. He deserves to be satirized, parodied, criticized and shamed out of existence. He has no conscience and no "rispict fer human lahf". This is precisely why, if you care about genocide in Darfur, you should get involved directly instead of waiting around for this pack of cognac-swilling, golf-playing, quail-hunting enemies of the human race to enact policies on behalf of poor foreigners who are unlikely ever to profit them in any way.
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It looks like the African resource raid is on. China and France are heavy into southern Sudan; ExxonMobile is heavy into Chad. Things are getting a bit tense as oil scarcity starts to rear its head. See this interesting article for a more complete description of the complexity: Darfur: Simplification and Moralization of the Conflict". Who is voltaire.net? Once again, we have to look to some foreign country for insightful news analysis. Sigh.
Allow me to quote a brief from the above article: "...allows for a rhetoric that better mobilizes western public opinion and helps hide oil-oriented interests in Sudan behind emotion and fear."
Let's see here; if ExxonMobile wanted to gain access to southern Sudan oil riches (currently in the hands of China and perhaps France) how would they go about it? "By whatever means necessary", is the most likely answer.
Yes, the genocide should be stopped. the genocide in Rwanda should have been stopped. The people in power don't give a rat's ass about slaughtered villagers in Sudan. They just view this as another stage in the "Great Game" of securing oil reserves.
Meanwhile. as this LA Times article demonstrates, the US is willing to fund suppliers of the janjaweed, and who knows why. Once again the US is supporting tyrannical dictators (like Saddam Hussein) for dubious reasons of 'geopolitical significance' and 'national security'. Access to oil - well, they can't talk about that in public. That would be unseemly.
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It's time for a damn change. I'm so fed up with BUSH, politics, greed, ego etc. Let's start caring about our neighbors. I am really fed up and it's really time for a change.
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Actually, it could go either way. Sure we'd be helping many Muslims escape the Genocide, but we'd also be fighting the other Muslims who are committing it. The Muslims that have been persecuted are African Muslims, among them also are Christians and Animists. The Muslims committing the atrocities are Arab Muslims. The Stereotypic terrorist identity is that of the Arab Muslim extremist, not the African. The Global Arab Muslim community, Al Qaeda or otherwise, is more likely to identify with the Muslims we would be removing from power, than the Muslims we would be there to help.
The government has used an "Arab" paramilitary, the Janjaweed, to ethnically cleanse the Darfur region of 'Africans."
For decades Sudan has been embroiled in a brutal civil war pitting the Arab Muslims of the north, who control the government, against the African Christians and animists of the south.
A separate conflict now rages in the western region of Darfur, where Arab militias, known as Janjaweed and backed by the president, have launched an ethnic cleansing campaign against African Muslims.
"There were kids thrown into rivers filled with crocodiles just for sport," says Janet McElligott, a former spokeswoman for north-south peace talks.
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Where is the rest of the world on this crisis?
The suffering in Darfur has been going on for well over three years. Now is the time for the United Nations and the rest of the world to show their teeth.....and prove the point that Liberals have been trying to make for forty years...... that peace can be achieved with love and understanding, and most importantly.......without the United States military.
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Posted by: cry0fan on Apr 29, 2006 5:26 AM
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Oh, right, you took the overclass version of history in the overclass schools. Look, you don't like to read such hard stuff, right? Fine. You don't need to read to get the truth. Just go the the library of congress images online collection. Take a few weeks/months whatever and look at all them purty pitchers from the past. Look at them. Think about them in light of what I am trying to tell you. The true history of America is there if you think about what you see.
I am making a documentary to try to give you some of this knowledge, but it will take me years.
This is nothing new. THis is old stuff.
The overclass has LONG used foreign events to grab more power. Just ignore them.
American monies should be spent at home. Period.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Apr 29, 2006 7:04 AM
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Posted by: fairleft on Apr 29, 2006 7:28 AM
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There's a civil war over there, started by the rebels (of course), whose only chance is winning the propaganda war in the West (in particular in the USA). And that's why these wars start, because rebels against a regime hated by the West will always win the propaganda war in the West. The war creates a humanitarian crisis, and the regime struggles to save lives (it has been commended for its efforts by the World Health Organization) despite being economically crippled by sanctions since 1997 and a long Western-backed civil war in its south.
Even now there is a peace conference to resolve the Darfur conflict, but the rebels are doing so well in the propaganda war that they may think they don't have negotiate in good faith. Bet you didn't know this: the final sticking point is that the government wants a referendum in Darfur before handing over regional autonomy; the rebels at the negotiating table (who don't represent all of the rebel groups) don't want a referendum they want power handed to them directly. So the war goes on, and that in a nutshell is why the humanitarian crisis goes on.
The civil war is brutal, both sides commit atrocities including burning down villages. But the scale of the atrocities is vastly exaggerated, as it always is in WAR PROPAGANDA. Would people please wake up to the imperialists' game?! In the end everyone loses except the multinational corporations who want a compliant neoliberal regime in Sudan.
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Posted by: tanstaafl28 on Apr 29, 2006 7:36 AM
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The truth of the matter is that, despite the previous century of unprecedented prosperity, the U.S. cannot afford to continue to play "Global Cop," nor can it continue to dole out millions of (mostly borrowed) dollars subsidizing most of the Third World. A more permanant solution needs to be formulated, one that involves global participation, encouraging self-sufficiency, and doesn't involve any military intervention/occupation.
Lastly, the Bush Cabal does not engage in "humanitarian aid" that doesn't involve in a profit motive. They will happily make speeches, pay lip service, offer superficial support, and coordinate donations from private citizens, but they would rather spend other peoples' money someplace where they'll get a return on their investment.
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Posted by: timeless on Apr 29, 2006 10:20 AM
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Posted by: Jerry on Apr 29, 2006 11:54 AM
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Posted by: change-agent-denver on Apr 29, 2006 12:13 PM
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Of note, there is a HUGE difference between intervening in Iraq for greed, oil and lust for power -- and a humanitarian cause (stopping genocide) that can be readily embraced by the world community as a worthy endeavor.
Also remember that the time when the US pulled together best was during WWII, because it was such a clear case of right and wrong (stopping the Germans, stopping the genocide which led to the deaths of 17 million people, and not just Jews).
What's needed in Darfur is an international effort, where the world leaders come together, gang up on the government to stop the killing, and intervene as a GLOBAL force, if necessary.
It will take money and lives, unfortunately. But we do not deserve to survive on this planet as a species if we allow this to continue.
Furthermore, the US is currently estranged from most of the world for its "go-it-alone, to-hell-with-you-all" policies. Joining an international coalition to go into Darfur, and remove the government, and the paramilitary troops, and set up a more humane government will cost less money and less American lives than doing it alone -- and these actions also would begin to rebuild our relationship with the world if we step up to the plate and work as part of a coalition.
Get real. Allowing people to be massacred, and for children of the wrong ethnicity to be thrown to crocodiles for sport, is JUST PLAIN WRONG!!!
Sir Edmund Burke, an Irish-born British stateman from the 1700s, said it best: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Folks, we have many tough problems to solve. But it doesn't mean we should abandon people who are dying like flies at the hands of power-hungry groups with guns.
In addition, we are part of a global economy more than ever before. We rely on other countries for our oil, our manufacturing and our goods and services. We are mired in debt to other countries.
To say that we should adopt isolationism (the basic message of this posting to which I'm responding) is unrealistic and tantamount to putting our heads in the sand. Given our economic circumstances alone, we will never be able to shut the borders and just live our lives.
Let's think like Spike Lee and "do the right thing" here.
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Posted by: timeless on Apr 29, 2006 1:34 PM
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Posted by: JaJa0812 on Apr 29, 2006 3:13 PM
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The week preceding the event, we had an awareness table on "The Yard" (the most high-traffic area on ECU campus). On the table, we had ribbons, wristbands, postcards that can be sent to Prez Bush urging him to do more, "a call to conscience" banner, flyers on Simon Deng & a modern-day slave fact sheet, and posters of the victims. The most important thing we had on the table was a NC Divestment Campaign that students could sign urging NC businesses not to do business with the government of Sudan.
We found that it was not easy getting people to sign the campaign, a lot students' did not know about what is going on in Darfur, so we had to walk up to them and talk to them about it before we could get people to sign the Divestment campaign. Also, we contact professors and urged them to offer extra credit to the students that came to the event.
In Simon Deng's speech, he stated that what the U.S. could do is the train & give better arms to the African Union troops on the ground right now to stop the genocide. Also, he stated a divestment campaign against the gov't of Sudan would help to stop the genocide in Darfur.
Helpful Resources:
www.savedarfur.org
www.iabolish.org
www.millionvoicesfordarfur.org
www.ushmm.org/conscience/
www.sudanactivism.com/index.html
www.sudandivestment.com/
It is not easy, but someone has to do it!!! Any questions, email- Princess5812@blackplanet.com
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Posted by: lproyect on Apr 29, 2006 4:13 PM
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 29, 2006 8:36 PM
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Here is a perfect opportunity for wise use of the US military - send in Special Forces to make contact with local leaders; establish a certain level of trust, and then send in larger international military forces to put an end to the genocide.
However, since the US military is now working as a contract agency for international oil interests, thanks to the stealing of the past two US national elections by the Bush-Cheney junta, such a notion is totally implausible. The US will cut a deal that allows ExxonMobil or ChevronTexaco to get control of the oilfields; China will resist this due to their extensive oil contracts with the Sudanese government. The locals on the ground will continue to pay the price.
Just look at what ExxonMobil is up to in Chad. The history of that project (the Chad Cameroon pipeline) is worth looking into - a deal funded by the World Bank for the benefit of XOM. You won't hear about Darfur, Chad and Sudan in the US corporate media because the main outlets (CNN, ABC, etc) are controlled by the same investment banks that are reaping XOM and CVX profits (Exxon and Chevron).
If you really want to stop this, you have to get off the oil. That's all there is to it. Too bad everything we do is linked to oil - agriculture, transportation, everything. What's that? Blood on my hands? Who, me?
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Posted by: nbrown on Apr 30, 2006 12:32 AM
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Sudan: 1.6 billion barrels
Iraq: 112.5 billion barels.
Don't kid yourself. Bush doesn't give a shit about genocide in Sudan.
The military is a racket.
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Posted by: nbrown on Apr 30, 2006 12:34 AM
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Posted by: Riverside on Apr 30, 2006 4:18 AM
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The UNs weakness on this issue is both maddening and frustrating, but the Bush Administration is doing nothing to help change that except to further dismantle the UN.
I fear the day that a report comes out that all the children are gone. Thus will begin the requiem for all humankind as we depart the face of this Earth.
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Posted by: owleyes on Apr 30, 2006 8:23 AM
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A. Completely delusional to think our president has ever been motivated to compassion by the senseless deaths of untold thousands
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B. Using Darfur as a backdrop to point out our president's various and appalling deficiencies as a statesman and a human being.
People who claim to expect George Bush to get involved in this tend to make me suspect that they do not care as much about Darfur as they do about criticizing Bush. Don't get me wrong. He deserves to be satirized, parodied, criticized and shamed out of existence. He has no conscience and no "rispict fer human lahf". This is precisely why, if you care about genocide in Darfur, you should get involved directly instead of waiting around for this pack of cognac-swilling, golf-playing, quail-hunting enemies of the human race to enact policies on behalf of poor foreigners who are unlikely ever to profit them in any way.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 30, 2006 9:04 PM
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It looks like the African resource raid is on. China and France are heavy into southern Sudan; ExxonMobile is heavy into Chad. Things are getting a bit tense as oil scarcity starts to rear its head. See this interesting article for a more complete description of the complexity: Darfur: Simplification and Moralization of the Conflict". Who is voltaire.net? Once again, we have to look to some foreign country for insightful news analysis. Sigh.
Allow me to quote a brief from the above article: "...allows for a rhetoric that better mobilizes western public opinion and helps hide oil-oriented interests in Sudan behind emotion and fear."
Let's see here; if ExxonMobile wanted to gain access to southern Sudan oil riches (currently in the hands of China and perhaps France) how would they go about it? "By whatever means necessary", is the most likely answer.
Yes, the genocide should be stopped. the genocide in Rwanda should have been stopped. The people in power don't give a rat's ass about slaughtered villagers in Sudan. They just view this as another stage in the "Great Game" of securing oil reserves.
Meanwhile. as this LA Times article demonstrates, the US is willing to fund suppliers of the janjaweed, and who knows why. Once again the US is supporting tyrannical dictators (like Saddam Hussein) for dubious reasons of 'geopolitical significance' and 'national security'. Access to oil - well, they can't talk about that in public. That would be unseemly.
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