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Bush's Imperial Presidency
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Well, gee where to start? How about with the founders? Many of the colonists who rose in support of the rebellion of '76 did so because their government kept snooping on them and invading their privacy. Especially offensive was the widespread use of "writs of assistance," which were sweeping warrants authorizing government agents to enter and search people's homes and businesses -- including those of people who had nothing to hide. The founders had a strong sense of the old English maxim "A man's house is his castle." They hated the government's "knock at the door," the forced intrusion into their private spheres, the arrogant abrogation of their personal liberty. So they fought a war to stop it. Once free of that government, they created a new one based on laws to protect liberty -- and this time they were determined to put a short, tight leash on government's inherently abusive search powers.
Hence, the Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Periodically in American history, presidents have tried to annul our basic right to be left alone. John Adams imposed the infamous Alien and Sedition Acts. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. Woodrow Wilson conducted the Palmer Raids. FDR interred Japanese-Americans and others. And LBJ and Nixon used the COINTEL program to spy on war protestors and civil rights activists, including Martin Luther King Jr.
In each case, however, the abuses were temporary. Americans rebelled and gradually brought the government back in line with our country's belief that privacy, a basic human right, is a cornerstone of democracy.
Bush's push
Now comes the Bush-Cheney regime, pushing the most massive and rapid expansion of presidential might America has ever known. "I believe in a strong, robust executive authority," growled Dick "Buckshot" Cheney, architect of the power grab. He added, "The president of the United States needs to have his constitutional powers unimpaired, if you will." I wouldn't, but they're nonetheless asserting an imperious view of unlimited executive power that is foreign to our Constitution, demolishes the founders' ingenious system of checks and balances (key to the functioning of our democratic republic), and transforms America's government into a de facto presidential autocracy.
Their push includes a White House program of domestic spying so sweeping that it would make Nixon blush; an audacious claim of a unilateral executive right to suspend treaties and ignore U.S. laws; an insistence that a president can seize U.S. citizens with no due process of law and imprison them in CIA "black sites" or send them to foreign regimes to be tortured; a series of new plans for military spying on the American people; the repression of both internal dissenters and outside protestors; an all-out assault on the public's right to know; and well, way too much more.
The rise of a supreme executive is such a fundamental threat to our constitutional form of government -- and to who we are as a people -- that the Lowdown will devote both this issue and next month's to it. The media barons have covered this rise only sporadically and disjointedly, but it's important for We The People to see the frightening whole of it and launch the rebellion of '06.
NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY. Richard Nixon is the godfather of the Bush-Cheney philosophy of executive supremacy. "Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal," Tricky Dick explained to us some 30 years ago. This plenipotentiary view of the American presidency (which would send shivers through the founders) is behind the unilateral, secret and illegal directive issued by Bush in 2001, ordering the NSA to spy on ordinary Americans. It's now conceded that untold thousands of citizens who have no connection at all to terrorism have had their phone conversations and emails swept up and monitored during the past four years by NSA agents.
This is against the law. First, Bush's directive blatantly violates the Fourth Amendment, for it sends his agents stealing into our lives to search our private communications without probable cause and without a warrant. Second, it goes against the very law creating NSA, which prohibited the agency from domestic spying without court supervision. Third, it bypasses 1978's Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which set up a special FISA court specifically to issue secret warrants so a president could snoop on Americans suspected of being connected to terrorists. Going around this law is a felony, punishable by five years in prison. Yes: George W. Bush broke the law. He's a criminal.
When this sweeping program of presidential eavesdropping was revealed last December by a leak to the New York Times, Bush first tried lying, scoffing that the news report was mere media "speculation." Didn't work. So then he turned defiant, belligerently declaring that damned right he was tapping phones. "If you're talking to a member of al-Qaida," he announced, "we want to know why."
Of course, George, if you have reason to believe that a particular American is talking to al-Qaida, you should scoot over to FISA pronto and get a spy warrant. We don't have time to wait for no stinking court order, he shouts, we gotta jump on these traitors quicker than a gator on a poodle. The FISA system is "too cumbersome" -- we need "agility."
Yeah, well, democracy is supposed to be a little cumbersome, so guys like you don't run amok. Fact is, FISA judges can act PDQ and are hardly restrictive. Of the 5,645 times Bush has requested surveillance warrants, how many did the court reject or defer? Only six! Besides, FISA lets presidents go a-snooping all they want, the instant they want, then come back to court three days later to get the warrant. How cumbersome is that? Even GOP lawmakers didn't buy the agility line, so Bush next tried claiming that Congress had actually given him the go-ahead to bypass the law. On Sept. 14, 2001, he said Congress passed the "authorization for use of military force," empowering him to use all necessary force against the 9/11 terrorists. Yet none of the 518 lawmakers who voted for this say that it included permission for Bush to spy illegally on our people. In fact, George W. specifically asked congressional leaders to give him this permission but was turned down. Finally, Bush has resorted to spouting Nixon's maxim that a president's official actions are inherently legal. Even though he broke the law knowingly and repeatedly, the Bushites assert that it's OK, citing a dangerous and thoroughly un-American defense that, as commander-in-chief, he has the constitutional right to break any law in the interest of national security. In matters of war and foreign policy, he, Cheney, and Alberto "See No Evil" Gonzales claim that the president's authority cannot be checked by Congress or the judiciary -- indeed, they don't even have to be informed.
Nonsense. He's commander-in-chief of the military -- not of the country. He's president, not king. And as president, he's the head of only one of the three co-equal branches. Yet bizarrely and pathetically, Congress has rolled over and even cheered this gross usurpation of its clear constitutional responsibilities -- including its power to declare war, control the public purse, regulate the military, ratify treaties, make laws "necessary and proper" for the conduct of all government, provide oversight of executive actions and generally serve the public as a check and balance against presidential abuses. As Sen. Russ Feingold, the truly fine defender of our rights and liberties, wrote in a February blog: "I cannot describe the feeling I had, sitting on the House floor during Tuesday's State of the Union speech, listening to the president assert that his executive power is, basically, absolute, and watching several members of Congress stand up and cheer him on. It was surreal and disrespectful to our system of government and to the oath that as elected officials we have all sworn to uphold. Cheering? Clapping? Applause? All for violating the law?" The breathtaking notion that Bush can, on his own say-so, thumb his nose at the due process of law and even be a serial lawbreaker has astounded not only Feingold but also a slew of leading right-wing thinkers:
- Paul Weyerich of Free Congress Foundation: "My criteria for judging this stuff is, what would a President Hillary do with these same powers?"
- George Will, columnist: "[Executive] powers do not include deciding that a law -- FISA, for example -- is somehow exempted from the presidential duty to 'take care that the laws be faithfully executed.'"
- David Keene of the American Conservative Union: "The American system was set up on the assumption that you can't rely on the good will of people with power."
Ironically, this Bush push to place himself above the law is centered on a failed program. The agents who are having to sift through piles of our calls and emails say that nearly all of the sifting is worthless, finding fewer than 10 citizens a year who even warrant further checking. In fact, the Bushites can point to only two "successes." They brag that the spying uncovered a plot to detonate fertilizer bombs in London -- but British officials deny that NSA spying helped uncover the plot. Their other "success" is ludicrous -- they claim to have found a guy who was going to cut down the Brooklyn Bridge. His weapon? A blowtorch. In response to Bush's illegal spying, Congress has been almost comical. After huffing and puffing about doing a deep investigation into the criminality of the program, Senate Republicans abruptly cancelled their plans for public hearings and ran to the White House waving surrender hankies. Last month, they announced that they had negotiated with Cheney, who graciously gave the Senate a grand oversight role. What did they get, specifically? A new subcommittee. TAH-DAH! Now seven senators will be allowed an occasional peek at whatever documents the White House is willing to send to them. In turn, Congress will sanction Bush's secret spying on Americans, letting him snoop on someone for 45 days without having to bother getting a warrant from that pesky FISA court. You can just hear Cheney guffawing back in his cave. Bush's assertion of extraordinary authority has nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with his and Cheney's mad intent to enthrone the American presidency with "plenary" power -- i.e., unqualified, absolute power.
March of autocracy
It would be distressing enough if the Bush-Cheney NSA power play was their only assertion of authoritarian government, but it is just one item on an astoundingly long list. Here are two particularly brash examples:
IMPRISONMENT. Bush maintains that, as "a war president," he has the inherent power (never claimed by any predecessor) to seize and imprison any American citizen suspected by his administration of having even the vaguest connection to terrorists. He declares that he can throw citizens in federal jails in perpetuity on his own authority, without consulting a judge or getting an arrest warrant. The hapless innocent suspects who wail that a nightmarish mistake is being made are out of luck. Bush says that his executive prisoners can be taken in secret (without even notifying their families), do not have to be told of any specific charges against them, have no right to lawyers and can be held without trial.
They might be shipped to secret CIA prisons around the world, which were authorized not by Congress, but by a classified executive order signed by Bush on Sept. 17, 2001. Yes, the order creating the secret prisons was itself secret. These CIA "black sites," as they are called in Bush's bureaucratic netherworld, are not subject to congressional oversight. Last December, after members of Congress learned about these facilities, both chambers voted to get reports on where the CIA's prisons are and what goes on inside them. But at the behest of the White House, GOP leaders quietly took this provision behind closed doors and killed it -- the majority vote be damned.
Accused citizens might also be secretly turned over to repressive foreign governments for interrogation -- an unpleasant, illegal and morally bankrupt practice known as "extraordinary rendition." Consider Maher Arar's case. Returning home from a family vacation in 2002, this Canadian software engineer was "detained" by the feds at Kennedy Airport, thrown into solitary confinement in Brooklyn, denied proper legal counsel, grilled and then "rendered" by the Bushites to a Syrian prison. He was held there for 10 months in a rat-infested dungeon and brutally tortured. Finally, finding that he had no connection to terrorism, the Syrians released him.
Arar sued the U.S. government for knowingly sending him to a torture chamber. In February, a federal judge blocked Arar's case without even hearing it. Caving in to Bush's claim of supreme executive power, the judge ruled that extraordinary rendition is a foreign-policy matter that the courts cannot review.
TORTURE. "We do not torture," says George W. in yet another bald-faced lie. Actually, he and his henchmen have bent themselves into contortions trying to assert that the commander-in-chief does, indeed, have the inherent right to torture suspects in U.S. custody. In 2002, when he learned that Afghan detainees were being abused in violation of the Geneva Conventions and our own War Crimes Act, Bush did not order the mistreatment to stop. Instead, he signed an order stating, "I have the authority under the Constitution to suspend Geneva." He might as well have shouted, "I am the king!"
A year later, a White House memo tried to redefine torture, imperiously declaring that only gross brutality that causes "organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death" can be called torture. John Yoo, the lawyer who has crafted many of Bush's claims of expansive executive authority, even argues that it would not be unlawful torture for a president to order that the testicles of a detainee's child be crushed. "I think it depends on why the president thinks he needs to do that," says Yoo.
Human-rights groups report that more than 100 captives have died while being tortured by executive-branch interrogators. "We do not torture?" Then why did Bush and Cheney fight so ferociously last year to kill Sen. John McCain's bill that would ban our government from using torture? The White House pleaded, threatened, cajoled and demanded that Congress at least exempt the CIA. Only when the ban passed both houses by veto-proof margins did Bush appear to give in, even publicly hugging McCain in a gesture of concession.
But when he signed the bill on Dec. 30, with Congress and the media out of town on holiday, Bush quietly added a "signing statement," augustly proclaiming that he retains the right to ignore the ban whenever he thinks it conflicts with his inherent authority as commander-in-chief. The Constitution clearly says that Congress -- and only Congress -- is empowered "to make all laws." Yet this president, who whines that "liberal" judges keep stretching the Constitution beyond the strict words of the founders, says that he can rewrite America's laws by interpreting them to mean what he wants them to mean.
If Bush can spy illegally, arrest citizens and throw away the key, sanction torture, lie, make his own laws and not be held accountable, then what can't he do? More next month.
From The Hightower Lowdown, edited by Jim Hightower and Phillip Frazer, April 2006.
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I've already made several calls voicing my concerns.
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Apr 26, 2006 5:32 AM
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We have two alternatives; either we take absolute control of our government or allow it to take absolute control of us.
It is common knowledge that our government has been shifting to the right toward fascim for decades. Since WWII the corporate establishment has been trying to undo the New Deal. It has gradually taken over the Democratic Party and we now have one party with two names. There is no "peoples party".
We now live under the tyranny of "taxation without representation" that sparked our Revolution. The Democrats won't run a liberal candidate for president unless their corporate sponsors allow it.
We may be played like a fish. The fisherman allows the line to slacken when the fish might break free. Then when the fish is exhausted he doesn't fight and is landed.
We must take control of both parties now. We must force them both to run on the issues important to the majority of voters.
They now run on superficial issues such as the candidates phony "image". And they run on divisive issues that the corporatocracy doesn't care about and neither party will actually do anything about. These are issues such as abortion, and prayer in schools. These are always carefully preserved to be used in the next campaign.
We must force them to face issues such as war powers, campaign financing, exportation of jobs, and health care. These are the issues that are important to the ordinary citizens. We must force both parties to commit to a stand on these issues before the next election.
We must force a showdown. We must take absolute control of the corporate establishment now or it will take absolute control of us eventually.
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Case in point:
“Many journalists come here to the American Colony, from CNN and NY Times. They all want to cover my story, but their EDITORS say no."
-Mordechai Vanunu @ the American Colony March 26, 2006 to WAWA Reporter + Editor
Vanunu's current trial fighting for the inalienable right to free speech in Jerusalem began January 25 2006 obfuscated by the Palestinian elections held on the same day and continues on May 1, 2006.
-excerpted April 1, 2006 WAWA BLOG:
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Posted by: djtyg on Apr 26, 2006 6:49 AM
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At a 32% approval rating, Bush is almost completely destroyed. We need to put forth our own ideas, and tell how we plan on getting America out of this mess.
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Apr 26, 2006 5:50 AM
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In fact after the initial shock of seeing the images from NYC on September 11, my horror was magnified because I immediately saw this coming. I'm not clairvoyant or anything, just an accurate judge of the character of this corrupt, megalomaniacal administration.
We need to pull out all the stops for the 2006 mid-term elections. It's going to take more than just sending a check to the DNC and whining on liberal blogs. We all need to get out there on the ground. We need to talk about these important issues to everyone - not just preach to the choir.
Support the Democratic Party at the local level and the local candidates. Get involved to steer the supposed "opposition" party back to full vertebrate status. It's supposed to be "WE" the People, but we need to act decisively and vigilantly right now if we want any future generations to be able to experience self-government.
I'm running for state office myself and I'm giving my full support to the Democratic congressional candidate who wins the primary in my district. As a candidate I will be going out, knocking on doors, attending all the fairs and parades this summer and talking about the serious issues of self-government versus totalitarianism.
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Posted by: kryptx on Apr 26, 2006 8:03 AM
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The article is written as to object to the president's depiction of his policies as inconsistent with his actual policies. Is it just the inconsistency that you don't like, or is it also the policies themselves?
On eavesdropping: If you've heard the "right-wing spin machine" at all recently, you have heard that former FISA court members have testified that the President (this and former) has always had the authority to eavesdrop whom and when he pleases. FISA is a court that was established for the purposes of authorizing specific wiretaps in the context of the Cold War, not to restrict what wiretaps could ever be allowed. This should be common knowledge by now. I'll reply to this post with an excerpt from the hearing which took place just last month.
On torture: is there any condition under which you think it would be appropriate to torture a captive? Consider the worst scenario you can imagine. If you believe it would be in contradiction to our spirits as Americans to torture a terrorist who is known to have information regarding the whereabouts of a device or person who, left unchecked, would likely kill thousands of people, then it is in fact you whose policies are inconsistent and inhumane. If you just object to an open "torture anyone you want" policy, then that's a little more reasonable. Sadly the article is quite ambiguous on this point.
On "successes": I like the way this author spins the Brooklyn Bridge scenario. The Brooklyn Bridge was targeted by Al Qaida. The CIA picked up intercepts in Arabic, and kept hearing Brooklyn Bridge. So they did something which they never would have done before the Patriot Act was passed (which required it): they sent that information to the NYPD, which flooded the bridge with cops up and down its span. So this guy Faris, who was their operative, came and cased the bridge. We picked up his signal sent back to Al Qaida saying the weather in New York was "too hot" to proceed with the plan.
Now, one of the guys we captured in Afghanistan was Khalid Mohammed. He told us of Al Qaida's plan to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge and fingered Faris as the guy who was going to do it. So that information went to the NYPD (which it normally would not have done), we got into the apartment, found all of the surveillance tapes and his engineering plans for blowing up the bridge, and we arrested him. He later pled guilty to two counts of providing material support to Al Qaida. So to label this claim to success as "ludicrous" is just irresponsible.
For more information on the Faris story, the telegraph has a decent summary.
Other places that are claimed by the administration as having been potential targets of Al Qaida, discovered by U.S. Intelligence: The Citycorp Center, the NYSE, the Garment Center, the Hoover Dam, New York New York, MGM Grand, Excalibur (casinos in Vegas), synagogues in Virginia, the IMF Building and World Bank in Washington... it goes on and on. See more examples here. So there are more than two successes claimed by the administration. I don't know how many of them are true or significant, but there really are quite a few.
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Posted by: outtolunch on Apr 26, 2006 8:19 AM
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Posted by: ZPaul on Apr 26, 2006 8:54 AM
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When, on retiring, William F. Buckley, the 20th-century "guru of conservatism", finally admitted to what most thinking people knew (and what he knew, but didn´t want to admit when he was "on active duty"): that Bush´s invasion of Iraq was, and is a disaster. And if he didn´t say more, it´s maybe because he still wants his memoirs to be a best-seller among cons.
Bush must be impeached.
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Posted by: getagrip on Apr 26, 2006 9:57 AM
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The Democrats are doing nothing because THEY are also in on the agenda. Not your local level politicians, but the policy makers in Washington. They are all under the control of private organizations that have infiltrated and now control everything that goes on. CFR, Trilateral Commission, Skull & Bones, Scroll & Key, Bilderbergers, Bohemian Grovers, Masons, Zionists etc. etc. etc.
All of these are working towards one world government, one world army (NaTo), one world religion, one world currency and a microchipped population that is a cinch to control.
Bush is nothing more than an organic fingerpuppet. He literally controls nothing and is in essence a very bad "B" movie actor. If you don't like the script for the movie, don't blame the actors, blame the script writers.
Time is running out for "real" change. Remove all of these private organizations from government and BAN them from ever holding office again. THAT is the ONLY way anything will EVER change.
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Posted by: nbrown on Apr 26, 2006 10:08 AM
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You complain about the PATRIOT Act... DEMS VOTED FOR IT!!! TWICE!!!!
You complain about spying, like CALEA for example.... DEMS VOTED FOR IT!!!!
You complain about torture and human rights violations -- a direct result of war.... DEMS VOTED FOR IT AND CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR IT!!!!
Seriously. You guys are lame. You're not anti-spying or any of this stuff. Alternet is a front for the Democratic Party, which VOTES FOR ALL OF IT!!!
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Long before 9-11 paying for airline tickets with cash marked you for observation. If found to be carrying a large amount of cash they would be detained and quite harshly examined for the crime of carrying a large amount of money. The last time I checked, US Currency is clearly marked with the text
THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE.
Pull a bill out of your wallet and check it out. How can paying for a First-Class Air Fare be probable cause for detention, seizure, etc? Does guilty until innocent seem like it applies here?
How about restrictive currency controls that hold up transactions of $5,000 or more at your local bank. Not coming into or leaving the country, just depositing it in the bank-- from another financial account. Five grand isn't a lot of money these days, but the IRS and law enforcement want to treat you like a potential money launderer.
Warrantless roadblocks by police trolling for anything they can use to fill the jails. The Supreme Court has ruled TWICE that without a specific probable cause these must be posted & voluntary, otherwise they constitute unlawful seizure. Despite this, local and State Police do this all over the country in direct violation of the law. Your papers, please. Just like the old Soviet Union.
Organized entrapment, where local and sometimes Federal law enforcement hire kids to try to buy Alcohol or Cigarettes. Regardless of the hair-splitting of the lawyers, this is nothing more than entrapment.
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entrap |enˈtrap| • trick or deceive (someone), esp. by inducing them to commit a crime in order to secure their prosecution.
Have a chronic sinus condition or allergies? Buy too much Pseudoephedrine, a highly effective non-prescription decongestant, and Officer Friendly will be coming to visit.
Want to Fly? The government wants everything but a DNA sample these days. Don't forget to use your credit or Debit card, they may bust you if you pay cash. Besides, the Feds subscribe to private Data Mining Services that collect transaction data on you that the Feds are prohibited by law from collecting. These they just go out and buy it just like Identity Theives. They gain access to records of your ATM, Debit Card and Credit Card transactions. Cell Phone records are also available.
I'm not paranoid, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. The same 'security' cameras, sometimes with face-matching technology, being used to keep you 'safe' in public can be used as weapons for unwarranted surveillance for extra-legal purposes. The list is long and worrisome. In some hands this stuff could be used for good. In many hands, this could be used for all kinds of evil.
The Military-Industrial Complex has added the Police to it's club under the title of Homeland Security. Their track record of keeping us safe is not good-- nor is their record of respecting people's civil liberties. The answer to everything from Illegal Aliens to drugs to terrorists is always the same:
More Police with less supervision and more 'latitude'.
Eroded Civil Rights for the citizen.
More controls on citizens.
More secrecy for the government and less privacy for you.
'W' & the Bushworld cronies are just a more evolved form of a species that has been around in both parties for a long time. It's time to put someone else in charge. Someone who knows, understands and holds the Bill of Rights near and dear to their hearts would be nice for a change.
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When we take a step back for a moment, and actually balance the tangible positives against intangible negatives that occurs from Bush's programs, we realize it is completely for the best. If these programs were to be ended, 9/11 would happen all over again, and more than just once, probably worse. Instead of taking our security for granted, we should realize that in order to stay safe these programs are completely required, because at the end of the day, programs can always be undone, rights replaced, but lives cannot.
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The continual struggle against invasive government spying is necessary because they will continually push the advantage, as history shows. The Pentagon "Total Information Awareness" program (now hidden under another name) is a good working example. One aspect of the program was to enlist 'ordinary Americans' in gathering information on 'suspicious individuals'.
This is exactly how the Nazi SS gathered information on 'potential subversives' in Germany. It is also how the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia identified 'anti-revolutionaries': by using children to testify against their parents. In both cases, surveillance was put in place so that a small group of people (the German High Command, or Pol Pot and his lieutenants) could control a large domestic population.
As far as 'saving American lives' as an excuse, that is just blatant nonsense. We lived for 50 years with the constant threat of nuclear war (still present, actually) without resorting to illegal domestic spying carried out by secretive groups within the executive branch. Who exactly gets to search the NSA database, for example? Does Karl Rove get to log in on his private computer and go snooping through the medical records of Democratic politicians?
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America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
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In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law.
(1). It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.
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I've already made several calls voicing my concerns.
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We have two alternatives; either we take absolute control of our government or allow it to take absolute control of us.
It is common knowledge that our government has been shifting to the right toward fascim for decades. Since WWII the corporate establishment has been trying to undo the New Deal. It has gradually taken over the Democratic Party and we now have one party with two names. There is no "peoples party".
We now live under the tyranny of "taxation without representation" that sparked our Revolution. The Democrats won't run a liberal candidate for president unless their corporate sponsors allow it.
We may be played like a fish. The fisherman allows the line to slacken when the fish might break free. Then when the fish is exhausted he doesn't fight and is landed.
We must take control of both parties now. We must force them both to run on the issues important to the majority of voters.
They now run on superficial issues such as the candidates phony "image". And they run on divisive issues that the corporatocracy doesn't care about and neither party will actually do anything about. These are issues such as abortion, and prayer in schools. These are always carefully preserved to be used in the next campaign.
We must force them to face issues such as war powers, campaign financing, exportation of jobs, and health care. These are the issues that are important to the ordinary citizens. We must force both parties to commit to a stand on these issues before the next election.
We must force a showdown. We must take absolute control of the corporate establishment now or it will take absolute control of us eventually.
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Case in point:
“Many journalists come here to the American Colony, from CNN and NY Times. They all want to cover my story, but their EDITORS say no."
-Mordechai Vanunu @ the American Colony March 26, 2006 to WAWA Reporter + Editor
Vanunu's current trial fighting for the inalienable right to free speech in Jerusalem began January 25 2006 obfuscated by the Palestinian elections held on the same day and continues on May 1, 2006.
-excerpted April 1, 2006 WAWA BLOG:
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At a 32% approval rating, Bush is almost completely destroyed. We need to put forth our own ideas, and tell how we plan on getting America out of this mess.
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In fact after the initial shock of seeing the images from NYC on September 11, my horror was magnified because I immediately saw this coming. I'm not clairvoyant or anything, just an accurate judge of the character of this corrupt, megalomaniacal administration.
We need to pull out all the stops for the 2006 mid-term elections. It's going to take more than just sending a check to the DNC and whining on liberal blogs. We all need to get out there on the ground. We need to talk about these important issues to everyone - not just preach to the choir.
Support the Democratic Party at the local level and the local candidates. Get involved to steer the supposed "opposition" party back to full vertebrate status. It's supposed to be "WE" the People, but we need to act decisively and vigilantly right now if we want any future generations to be able to experience self-government.
I'm running for state office myself and I'm giving my full support to the Democratic congressional candidate who wins the primary in my district. As a candidate I will be going out, knocking on doors, attending all the fairs and parades this summer and talking about the serious issues of self-government versus totalitarianism.
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The article is written as to object to the president's depiction of his policies as inconsistent with his actual policies. Is it just the inconsistency that you don't like, or is it also the policies themselves?
On eavesdropping: If you've heard the "right-wing spin machine" at all recently, you have heard that former FISA court members have testified that the President (this and former) has always had the authority to eavesdrop whom and when he pleases. FISA is a court that was established for the purposes of authorizing specific wiretaps in the context of the Cold War, not to restrict what wiretaps could ever be allowed. This should be common knowledge by now. I'll reply to this post with an excerpt from the hearing which took place just last month.
On torture: is there any condition under which you think it would be appropriate to torture a captive? Consider the worst scenario you can imagine. If you believe it would be in contradiction to our spirits as Americans to torture a terrorist who is known to have information regarding the whereabouts of a device or person who, left unchecked, would likely kill thousands of people, then it is in fact you whose policies are inconsistent and inhumane. If you just object to an open "torture anyone you want" policy, then that's a little more reasonable. Sadly the article is quite ambiguous on this point.
On "successes": I like the way this author spins the Brooklyn Bridge scenario. The Brooklyn Bridge was targeted by Al Qaida. The CIA picked up intercepts in Arabic, and kept hearing Brooklyn Bridge. So they did something which they never would have done before the Patriot Act was passed (which required it): they sent that information to the NYPD, which flooded the bridge with cops up and down its span. So this guy Faris, who was their operative, came and cased the bridge. We picked up his signal sent back to Al Qaida saying the weather in New York was "too hot" to proceed with the plan.
Now, one of the guys we captured in Afghanistan was Khalid Mohammed. He told us of Al Qaida's plan to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge and fingered Faris as the guy who was going to do it. So that information went to the NYPD (which it normally would not have done), we got into the apartment, found all of the surveillance tapes and his engineering plans for blowing up the bridge, and we arrested him. He later pled guilty to two counts of providing material support to Al Qaida. So to label this claim to success as "ludicrous" is just irresponsible.
For more information on the Faris story, the telegraph has a decent summary.
Other places that are claimed by the administration as having been potential targets of Al Qaida, discovered by U.S. Intelligence: The Citycorp Center, the NYSE, the Garment Center, the Hoover Dam, New York New York, MGM Grand, Excalibur (casinos in Vegas), synagogues in Virginia, the IMF Building and World Bank in Washington... it goes on and on. See more examples here. So there are more than two successes claimed by the administration. I don't know how many of them are true or significant, but there really are quite a few.
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When, on retiring, William F. Buckley, the 20th-century "guru of conservatism", finally admitted to what most thinking people knew (and what he knew, but didn´t want to admit when he was "on active duty"): that Bush´s invasion of Iraq was, and is a disaster. And if he didn´t say more, it´s maybe because he still wants his memoirs to be a best-seller among cons.
Bush must be impeached.
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The Democrats are doing nothing because THEY are also in on the agenda. Not your local level politicians, but the policy makers in Washington. They are all under the control of private organizations that have infiltrated and now control everything that goes on. CFR, Trilateral Commission, Skull & Bones, Scroll & Key, Bilderbergers, Bohemian Grovers, Masons, Zionists etc. etc. etc.
All of these are working towards one world government, one world army (NaTo), one world religion, one world currency and a microchipped population that is a cinch to control.
Bush is nothing more than an organic fingerpuppet. He literally controls nothing and is in essence a very bad "B" movie actor. If you don't like the script for the movie, don't blame the actors, blame the script writers.
Time is running out for "real" change. Remove all of these private organizations from government and BAN them from ever holding office again. THAT is the ONLY way anything will EVER change.
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You complain about the PATRIOT Act... DEMS VOTED FOR IT!!! TWICE!!!!
You complain about spying, like CALEA for example.... DEMS VOTED FOR IT!!!!
You complain about torture and human rights violations -- a direct result of war.... DEMS VOTED FOR IT AND CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR IT!!!!
Seriously. You guys are lame. You're not anti-spying or any of this stuff. Alternet is a front for the Democratic Party, which VOTES FOR ALL OF IT!!!
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Long before 9-11 paying for airline tickets with cash marked you for observation. If found to be carrying a large amount of cash they would be detained and quite harshly examined for the crime of carrying a large amount of money. The last time I checked, US Currency is clearly marked with the text
THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE.
Pull a bill out of your wallet and check it out. How can paying for a First-Class Air Fare be probable cause for detention, seizure, etc? Does guilty until innocent seem like it applies here?
How about restrictive currency controls that hold up transactions of $5,000 or more at your local bank. Not coming into or leaving the country, just depositing it in the bank-- from another financial account. Five grand isn't a lot of money these days, but the IRS and law enforcement want to treat you like a potential money launderer.
Warrantless roadblocks by police trolling for anything they can use to fill the jails. The Supreme Court has ruled TWICE that without a specific probable cause these must be posted & voluntary, otherwise they constitute unlawful seizure. Despite this, local and State Police do this all over the country in direct violation of the law. Your papers, please. Just like the old Soviet Union.
Organized entrapment, where local and sometimes Federal law enforcement hire kids to try to buy Alcohol or Cigarettes. Regardless of the hair-splitting of the lawyers, this is nothing more than entrapment.
Mr Webster, Please
entrap |enˈtrap| • trick or deceive (someone), esp. by inducing them to commit a crime in order to secure their prosecution.
Have a chronic sinus condition or allergies? Buy too much Pseudoephedrine, a highly effective non-prescription decongestant, and Officer Friendly will be coming to visit.
Want to Fly? The government wants everything but a DNA sample these days. Don't forget to use your credit or Debit card, they may bust you if you pay cash. Besides, the Feds subscribe to private Data Mining Services that collect transaction data on you that the Feds are prohibited by law from collecting. These they just go out and buy it just like Identity Theives. They gain access to records of your ATM, Debit Card and Credit Card transactions. Cell Phone records are also available.
I'm not paranoid, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. The same 'security' cameras, sometimes with face-matching technology, being used to keep you 'safe' in public can be used as weapons for unwarranted surveillance for extra-legal purposes. The list is long and worrisome. In some hands this stuff could be used for good. In many hands, this could be used for all kinds of evil.
The Military-Industrial Complex has added the Police to it's club under the title of Homeland Security. Their track record of keeping us safe is not good-- nor is their record of respecting people's civil liberties. The answer to everything from Illegal Aliens to drugs to terrorists is always the same:
More Police with less supervision and more 'latitude'.
Eroded Civil Rights for the citizen.
More controls on citizens.
More secrecy for the government and less privacy for you.
'W' & the Bushworld cronies are just a more evolved form of a species that has been around in both parties for a long time. It's time to put someone else in charge. Someone who knows, understands and holds the Bill of Rights near and dear to their hearts would be nice for a change.
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