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Again With the 'Jewish Conspiracy'

By Evan Derkacz, AlterNet. Posted April 11, 2006.


A new documentary about the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' attempts to understand the lure of the book's anti-Semitic message.
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Editor's Note: This story was originally posted in The Mix.

Sometime in the late-18th century, a cabal of powerful Jewish elders sat around a table and hatched a plot to take over the world. If you get that, you get the gist of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. All the rest, as the rabbis say, is commentary.

Shortly after 9/11, a young Egyptian cabdriver assured filmmaker Marc Levin that no Jews had perished in the World Trade Center because, he explained, all the Jews had been "warned in advance." It's all in that book, the driver told him, written 100 years ago. No matter that "the book" has been debunked a half a dozen times since the Times of London first exposed it as a forgery in 1921.

Levin was surprised by the stubborn prevalence of the 9/11 rumor and alarmed by the penetration of the discredited Protocols, so he set out to explore the history and the current status of its fictions. In a personal, sometimes courageous, but ultimately sloppy journey, his film "Protocols of Zion" engages Arabs, Muslims, Jews, white supremacists and scholars on the Protocols, Israel and 9/11 in an attempt, apparently, to understand the lure of the book's message. The film premieres Tuesday, April 11 on Cinemax.

The Protocols were fabricated by order of the Russian czar in the early years of the 19th century in a classic attempt to rustle up a scapegoat as he began to fear that a revolution was fomenting. Ironically, once the revolution did take place a century later, the Jewish plot once contrived to divert revolutionary energy was subsequently blamed for it. Later, as the communist regime took an ugly turn, Jews would once again make convenient scapegoats and were persecuted accordingly.

The book reached the shores of America when Henry Ford began giving away free copies to anyone who purchased his anti-Semitic classic, The International Jew.

To Levin's credit he walks into some harrowing situations neither faltering nor, for the most part, judging his subjects. In front of a bookseller on 6th Avenue who sheepishly admits that the book has been very popular of late, Levin confronts a black man ranting about the Jewish ownership of the city of New York. The man points to the mayor, Bloooomberg, he says, to achieve maximum Jewification of the name.

When Levin responds that Giuliani was mayor for eight years before Bloomberg, the man stops and thinks for a minute before enunciating, with equal fervor, the previous mayor's name: Jewwwwww-liani.

"Jewliani?" replies Levin, "Listen to what you're saying!"

But you needn't go to the street to find a copy. Until September 2004 the Protocols were available at Wal-Mart (whose review of the book -- We neither support nor deny its message. We simply make it available for those who wish a copy -- was more open-minded than its employee benefits policies). Levin also finds copies on the internet and at a white supremacist compound (though they're sold out during his visit).

Interwoven with Levin's conversations with Protocols proponents are clips from an old audio production depicting Jews as subterranean power players hatching nefarious plots to rule the world, and scenes from a TV miniseries. One scene reenacts the ritualistic murder of a screaming Christian child whose blood has been rumored, over the centuries, to be a key ingredient in the preparation of Passover matzoth.

The most interesting moments in the film come when Levin explores the reasons why a person or a group of people might be attracted to the pernicious lies served up by the Protocols.


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Evan Derkacz is AlterNet's associate editor and writer of Peek, the blog of blogs.

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Posted by: dainin on Apr 11, 2006 12:31 PM   
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Haven't heard this one.

Is it anything like the "dark-skinned demons (who just happen to live on the last remaining oil-rich land) want to steal our freedoms" conspiracy theory that most Americans advocate?

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right
Posted by: daniel1982 on Apr 11, 2006 1:36 PM   
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The Protocols were fabricated by order of the Russian Czar in the early years of the 19th century in a classic attempt to rustle up a scapegoat as he began to fear that a revolution was fomenting.

Thats what they want you to think.

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» Who are they? Posted by: PEEK
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» RE: right Posted by: ggma
protocol of the elders of SION
Posted by: TorontoCanada on Apr 11, 2006 3:21 PM   
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This article is misleading,
Protocol of the elders of SION (not Zion)
has NOTHING to do with Judaism or Jews
it comes from the "Prieure de Sion"
which in the 1800's was simply a french branch of
these secret society networks, knights of Malta,
Knights Templar ect...
Grand Masters of the Prieure de Sion have included
Victor Hugo & Isaac Newton.
They had a plan to control world populations by making people fight each other, making people fearfull have the eventual goal of a world government, run by them of course. All done by misleading the public, a la today's mass media.
They can be traced from the Prieure de Sion, Knights Templar, to the Rockefellers, to the Nazi's & Hitler's rise, Bush's Grandfather(who supported the nazi's) and on to this very day. They are doing quite well these days actually, in case you were wondering how things have become so messed up.
This is very clearly described by many courageous people
such as Dr. Leonard Horowitz, Alex Jones.
Check out what they have to say with an open mind, look at the facts, & don't allow yourself to manipulated by the dozens of posts below, ridiculing me.
" If the Fool does not laugh aloud, then it is NOT the Way."
taoist proverb
This above article is a whitewash & merely confuses the facts.
Peace !

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» Ashkenazi vs. Sephardic Posted by: RobbieUMD
» Nonsense Posted by: brunowe
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» RE: Nonsense Posted by: RobbieUMD
Read Conor Cruise O'Brien
Posted by: mythbuster on Apr 11, 2006 3:29 PM   
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The article is helpful in understanding the horrible longevity of hate literature. Those scars don't ever seen to go away. But your article does require three short responses. First, Conor Cruise O'Brien, a respected and pro-Israeli historian wrote in "A history of Zionism" about a very old Zionist yearing to regain the land between the two rivers, the Nile and the Euphrates, long before the creation of the State of Israel. This yearning is buttessed by the Book of Genesis (Gen. 15:18-21) and confirmed by the design of the Israeli flag: A Star of David between two rivers.

Second, "Arabs" (meaning Palestinians, I suppose) are not raised to "hate." I know that many express hatred for Zionism or the Israeli Occupation, but the use of "hate" in that context is misleading, and, frankly, inappropriate. With few exceptions, we all hate totalitarianism, Nazism, and racist ideologies. However, that "hate" is healthy, and grounded in the belief that those ideologies are pernicious and dehumanizing, and, often, genocidal. When Palestinians raise their children to "hate" the Occupation, they are teaching their children to hate an injustice, a murderous, racist belief system (e.g., the "dream" of Eretz Israel), and probably on the only "respectable" form of ethnic cleansing in the world (e.g., the "settlements"). To condemn that rejection as "hate" is akin to equating resistence to the forced removal of the Cherokees by Andrew Jackson as "hate." So, I say, let's make some closer distinctions.

Third, the timing of a discussion of the Protocols seems pretty bad form right now. We are engaged in more pre-emptive action: We want our shrill racism to trump theirs. Surely, you have seen that some American Jewish organizations are begining to run adds calling for military action against Iran. The web is full of truly hateful websites with phony pro-democracy sounding names all baying for Iranian blood. To speak about anti-Semitism in this time is just another form of racial dismissiveness. It's like a middle class white guy claiming that he faces discrimination in America. Yeah, maybe, but not at all like an African-American.

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» Mythbuster....Ain't Posted by: mikespindell
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» RE: Mythbuster....Ain't Posted by: mikespindell
» And the winner is... Posted by: chuckville
» RE: And the winner is...Chuck Posted by: mikespindell
» RE: ead Conor Cruise O'Brien Posted by: mythbuster
Judge them by thier actions
Posted by: Jeffersonista on Apr 11, 2006 3:48 PM   
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Judge Jewry on thier actions. how do they treat non-jews in thier country? What rights do arabs have in Jerusalem?
How many men have they murdered under thier policy of proactive assasination? As long as thier is oil, the great beast/satan will use the jews as an excuse to steal the oil from under the feet of the true owners.

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» RE: Judge them by thier actions Posted by: mythbuster
» RE: Judge them by thier actions Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: Judge them by thier actions Posted by: mythbuster
» "Them?" "Jewry?" Posted by: AdamSelene40
» RE: "Them?" "Jewry?" Posted by: mythbuster
Nice Sentiments.......Wrong Conclusions
Posted by: mikespindell on Apr 11, 2006 5:06 PM   
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>At the heart of Levin's film is a muted call for Jews -- for all of us -- to acknowledge the role we've played in increasing the Protocols' attractiveness and power.<

>Just because opponents of Israel resort to anti-Semitic tracts and repugnant rhetoric to bolster their case, doesn't mean we shouldn't hold Israel to a high standard of justice.<

As a lifelong progressive I always thought that there was never ANY justification for bigotry. To look at the first quote I guess that in Alternet terms, at least as far as one of its' editors goes, those being reviled (in this case Jews) have a duty to understand why the bigots hate us. To not only understand the why, but to examine our own contribution to their hatred.

Evan, that is just plain wrong thinking. With this logic one would think that Afro-Americans having lived through a different type (but just as evil) holocaust, should search their souls to understand why racists revile them. While there are some blacks, Bill Cosby for instance, who call for this self examination, most rightly reject this call of his and deem him acting like a "Tom" for saying it.

I support Israel because I believe its' existence is every bit as legitimate as those of the surrounding Arab states, and indeed as the raison d'etre of most country's in this world. Being a few years older than Israel I have lived through its history and my take on that history doesn't conflict with my position as a progressive. I've previously presented, on this site for one, an analysis that explains what I believe to be the real facts of the ME. I say this not as a plea for people to agree with my position, but to note that I've done my own thinking on the issues, for better or worse depending on one's perspective.

Having observed and participated in some Alternet discussions of issues pertaining to the ME I am struck by how many progressives merely repeat the mythology of the ME that has been created by some mis-analysing progressive pundits, who have been taken in by a powerful Arab PR scheme paid for by the Saudi's and by Big Oil. The other roots of this mis-analysis came from the influence of the Soviet Union in the 40's, 50's & 60's, who wanted a foothold in the ME equal to that of the US.

The assumption that supporter's of Israel's right to exist are automatically supporters of the Neo Con position is one that is also rife with the bigotry of ignorance and mis-analysis. Particularly pernicious is the assumption that because some prominent Neo-Cons have a Jewish heritage, their analysis is a thin disguise for support of Israel. This of course is a further bigotry because it conflates their heritage with their political philosophy. In doing so it conveniently avoids mentioning the real heavy hitters in the Neo-con constellation namely Cheney, Rummy, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr., none of whom has a history that could be described as Israel-Phillic The Perl's of this world are merely the spear carrier's and the ass kissing wannabees.

As the second quote above suggests I agree that Israel and indeed ALL nations of the world should be held to a high standard of justice. However, my sense is that many Alternet posters, and some editors, downplay the bigoted attacks on Israel while simultaneously holding Israel to a HIGHER standard of justice than that held for other nations, particularly Arab countries. The eagerness of some of those who comment on Alternet articles to use hyperbole when describing Israel's errors would be laughable in its stupidity, if it weren't so pernicious in its statements.

I decry Likud's policies, past and present and I'll reserve judgment on Kadima. However, while I disagree with those Right Wing policies from both a moral and strategic perspective, I also find the equation of Israeli's with Nazi's or totalitarians to be likewise offensive and supremely stupid.

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» False logic here. Posted by: Prophit
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Harumph
Posted by: famouspipeliner on Apr 11, 2006 5:18 PM   
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Those who pre judge individuals by their religious beliefs are so shallow that a walk through the oceans of their souls would scarcely get one's feet wet. Unfortunately, humans are not intrinsically possessed with the ability discern truth from falsehood. Thus, we know some will be swayed by falsehoods, coercion and manipulation. Others will find the truth...based on facts, intestinal fortitude and freedom of thought. It would appear that some of those commenting on this article have been propagandized. To them I say...prove your arguments or surrender them.

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The Overclass LOVES IT when the Left demonizes ordinary white men!
Posted by: cry0fan on Apr 11, 2006 5:48 PM   
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When the Left demonizes the homegrown ideologies of the uneducated white guy, the rich and the megacorporations just LOVE THAT!

That drives the white males away from the left.
Which means the rich have no worries about a progressive tax structure or a strong welfare state, like they have in Europe.

THe Overclass LOVES IT that American Left's main enemy is no longer the Overclass, as it still is in Europe, but instead Joe Sixpick who thinks the Jews rule the world. Instead of standing up for this largest single voting bloc,blue collar white males, the Left now sees them as the font of all evil.

And we wonder why there is no real American left.

Of course this American Left is primarily a creature of nonprofit foundation money, which was set up decades ago by the plutocrats with the goal of molding a domesticated Left. Richard Bissell, former CIA honcho after WW2, who became a Ford Foundation honcho, said their goal was not to debate the Leftists about ideas, but to divert them to less harmful areas.

This plan succeeded so very well.

No Left can succeed without making the largest single bloc its core demographic. THe people who talk about the Elders of the Zion are not too far from the core demographic of any real true Left.

We have no real true Left in America.

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I don't get it.
Posted by: bettsoff on Apr 11, 2006 6:06 PM   
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I never have, actually. I really should get around to reading Illuminatus! Supposedly it explains all these things.

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what's the history?
Posted by: Daniel Shays on Apr 12, 2006 4:06 AM   
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I've heard that for most of history, Arabs and Jews more or less were able to co-exist (along with Eastern Orthodox Christians) in the middle east--not that it was utopia, but that it wasn't perpetual battle like it has been since the Western powers displaced tens of thousands of Palestinians by creating a puppet state that would help them undermine the nationalization of oil revenues during the brieft flowering of middle eastern democracy after the second world war.

What do other people know about this?

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» Certainly not 'utopia' ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
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Source for Protocols
Posted by: Fang-Face Dreamweaver on Apr 12, 2006 4:31 AM   
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One source I read about the Protocols had them forged by an officer of the Russian Secret Police in an effort to sucker Czar Nicolas I into persecuting Russian Jewry. Not that the Czar ordered them written.

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» RE: Source for Protocols Posted by: Prophit
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» RE: Source for Protocols Posted by: Fang-Face Dreamweaver
This from the guy who copied and pasted a story together...
Posted by: joeblo on Apr 12, 2006 6:06 AM   
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Honestly, you have outdone yourself this time Evan. Im not even going to begin to address your points put forth in this article. Frankly, because I dont have the hours on end to CORRECT all the falsehoods you just put down on 'paper'. Luckily, it looks like the vast majority of readers and posters can see through you anyways now.

The last time it was easy to see through your agenda. Remember? When you copied the sentencing phase of a trial onto ANOTHER trial and made it seem like a single trial, just to get your 'men are rapists' point across? A spelling error is a mistake, what you did with the copy-and-paste propaganda reporting was deliberate. Nobody believes the excuse that it was a mistake.

You want to start removing the hate speech from the world? Start by giving up your editorial desires, as you are quite obviously part of the problem you claim to be against.

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» ? Posted by: RobbieUMD
Mango Salsa
Posted by: gazooks on Apr 12, 2006 6:11 AM   
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It's always entertaining to read these discussions over breakfast. It encourages balance through at least the first half of the day. The part that I like the best is the recurring realization that we're all perfectly and completely screwed.... to the highly laminated walls of multi-millennia fear mongering. Yet we still entertain the notion that we can somehow conjure a path towards just resolutions.


It's really one of our more charming delusions.

I think that it was a really bad idea for any one group of humans at any point in history, to assume that their relationship with a supposed creator held status above another. Must have been some killer fungus.

As for me, I'm content to join my Jewish friends for a Passover dinner of fresh Christian baby, .... delicious with a mango salsa.
Then, wearing my new GOT GOD? T-shirt, a pleasant walk up the hill to urinate on the still smoldering, self exploding mosque.

Ain't life akbar?

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Race-baiting: a favorite tool of political warmongers
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 12, 2006 6:38 AM   
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There is a long history of racist literature: take for example, D. W. Griffith's immensely popular feature film, Birth of a Nation, which promoted the racial terrorism of the first Ku Klux Klan. The KKK targeted Jews as much as it did blacks. Hitler used the 'Protocols' to rally his stormtroopers and consolidate his powers, citing a 'vast Jewish-Communist conspiracy aimed at the destruction of the Fatherland' to justify his assaults on 'non-Aryans'. However, noone has a monopoly on racism.

Israeli actions in Palestine seem to be fairly similar to the rounding up of Jews into ghettos in the late 1930's in Germany. Perhaps they could have all Palestinians in Israel wear a gold cresent on their chest - oh, but their skin color is different, so that isn't necessay. I find it completely shocking that Israel has such a racist attitude - didn't they study the Holocaust? How can Israeli leaders carry out the same kind of actions that Nazi leaders initiated? Can we put it down to something like the cycle of child abuse?

Of course, if you look into the details, the concept of 'race' is a social definition, and as a biological definition it does not have any merit - regardless of what generations of social-genetic Darwinists would have you believe. Scientific racism is just a perversion of basic scientific principles - but it was one of the bulwarks of Nazi ideology, and the influence of primitive 'in-group/out-group' modes of thinking continues today.

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» Race and Religion... Posted by: chasaturn
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» RE:the absurdity of race Posted by: thoughtcriminal
Honest question: How many Jewish Americans DID die in 9/11?
Posted by: hmmm? on Apr 12, 2006 7:56 AM   
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I cant find a well documented list anywhere. Just wondering as many articles, including this one, bring up that its a ridiculous conspiracy theory, which it no doubt is, but I never get the actually number. thanks to any one who can post a link etc.

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» Al Franken Posted by: RobbieUMD
Individual god, individual groups ?
Posted by: Jimbo on Apr 12, 2006 9:12 AM   
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"[T]he thing that makes Judaism dangerous to everybody, to every race, to every nation, to every idea; is that we smash things that aren't true. We don't believe in the boundaries of the nation-state, we don't believe in the ideas of these individual gods that protect individual groups of people, these are all artificial constructions and Judaism really teaches us how to see that."

Ok, Im missing something here. What about god infecting the Egyptians with plagues as revenge for enslaving the Isrealites? What about god parting the sea? That sounds like an individual god protecting an individual group to me.

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Anti-Semantic Leaders
Posted by: Roverton on Apr 12, 2006 9:32 AM   
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Sounds like someone behind-the-scenes has an "Issue" with Humanity itself.

I love my species. No apology. We're infants and infants make mistakes. Some fatal. If our emenie's confusion is the crime, then what's the long term answer? Love. Then we join up.

It hasn't always been an unrealistic fantasy to believe in that. I remember an enormous amount of change brought on by using idealism as a beacon.

Humankind is capable of waking up and not attacking itself. Even the "Bad Guys" have eyes.

Who knows?
Who really knows?

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Another Machiavellian Red Herring to hide the truth...
Posted by: SevenStarHand on Apr 12, 2006 12:35 PM   
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Hello again fellow lovers of Truth and Justice.

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Don't let them succeed. Let everyone know that I am here now and the leaders of this world are actively conspiring to keep everyone from understanding who I am and why they are opposing me and those of like mind.

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HOLY ----
Posted by: chanceny on Apr 12, 2006 1:49 PM   
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WHAT'S THAT SOUND? OOH, IT'S THE CLOSET DOORS OPENING AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCRAMBLING IN NOISY DISARRAY ESCAPING AGAIN INTO OUR MIDST. WHAT TO DO? BLAME A JEW! MAKE SURE YOUR TARGET IS SMALL IN NUMBER, FOR IT MAKES PERSECUTION SO MUCH MORE FACILE. THERE ARE LITTLE CUTE COLORED TAGS, PERFECTLY DESIGNED TO FIT ONTO EVEN THE MOST FASHIONABLE ENSEMBLE. THIS SHIT WILL NEVER STOP, ESPECIALLY WHEN OUR OWN LEADERS BELIEVE WITH CERTAINTY, THE JUSTIFICATION OF THEIR CAUSE. THEIR PERVERTED TAKE ON CHRISTIANITY IS SELLING OUT CROWDS IN MEGA CHURCHES THROUGHOUT OUR DEMOCRATIC AMERICA! IT'S BEEN SUCH A FRIGGIN SUCCESS EVEN OLD TOM DELAY WAS APPLAUDED FOR HIS RIGHTEOUS BATTLE AGAINST EVIL-DOERS AND THE VAST CONSPIRACY (WINK-WINK) THAT HATES JESUS, ERGO, HIM TOO! BOOKS, MOVIES AND TV SHOWS SHOULD NEVER BE CENSORED - EVEN THE FORNICATING JEWS BELIEVE THIS. WITH THIS OPEN MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THESE PORTRAITS OF JEWS AS CORRUPT MONEY-LENDERS, BLOOD DRINKING VAMPIRES AND WORSE. EVEN SHAKESPEARE GOT INTO THE ACT! THE NEVER AGAINERS MAY TRULY BELIEVE INSANITY WILL NOT AGAIN PREVAIL. I HAVE MY DOUBTS. SCAPEGOATING WORKS. ALWAYS DID, AND, WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM THE FRIENDS OF BUSH & CO., WILL AGAIN. MUSLIMS ARE LUCKIER - BY NUMBERS ALONE! MUSLIMS NOT ONLY BELIEVE THIS SHIT, BUT THEY PROPAGATE IT AROUND THE WORLD. ANTI-SEMITISM POLLUTES, AND IN AMERICA TODAY, POLLUTION OF EVERY STRIPE IS ENCOURAGED. I DOUBT THAT WHEN THIS EMBARRASING ADMINISTRATION FNALLY COMES TO AN END, TAKING THEIR TALKING POINT SPOUTERS, UNSCRUPULOUS FINANCIAL BACKERS, FUNDAMENTALIST SUPPORTERS AND TREASONOUS HAWKS WITH THEM INTO OBSCURITY, THE CLIMATE OF HATRED WILL WANE. IT SEEMS TO BE AN HISTORIC NECESSITY THAT SOMEONE ALWAYS GETS SCREWED - BLAMED - FOR WHATEVER IS LACKING IN THE LIVES OF ANYONE WHO DECIDES THEY ARE BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST - JUST LIKE THE POOR CHRISTIANS WHO MUST ENDURE WARS ON CHRISTMAS! PASSOVER/EASTER IS UPON US NOW. WE'LL ALL READ FROM OUR HOLY BOOKS AND EAT OUR PERSCIRBED MEALS. BUT, WHO AMONG US WILL HAVE THE APPETITE TO ADMIT THE FAILURE OF THE PRINCIPLES THEY CELEBRATE? NOT AT MY TABLE, HUH?

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» RE: HOLY ---- Posted by: BlueTigress
Is The Content True?
Posted by: Elisha on Apr 12, 2006 2:14 PM   
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Content - While much controversy is placed on the origins and supposed anti-semitism of the “Protocols”, the real observations about this book should be regarding content - has the content and/or suggestions about how to rule society played itself out?

There is a slightly abridged version of some of the content of the “Protocols” in a book called Shillum which can be found at this link.

Chapter 3 is about the Protocols. (word search for “little book” without quotes) A few excerpts follow.


“We shall deal with the news media in the following way: what is the part played by the news media today? It serves to excite and inflame those passions which are needed for our purposes, or else it serves the selfish goals of groups of individuals.”

“Literature and journalism are two of the most important educational forces, therefore, our government will become proprietor of the majority of the journals and news media productions.”

“We shall. . . establish huge monopolies, reservoirs of colossal riches [International Banking], that even the large economies of the nations will depend on it to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of the nations on the day after the political smash.”

“Whenever we encounter any nation which dares to oppose us, we must be prepared to incite war and join with its neighbors against it; but if those neighboring countries should also venture to stand together against us, then we must create resistance by inciting a universal war.”

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RESPONSE IN BLOGS
Posted by: PEEK on Apr 12, 2006 2:52 PM   
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I've responded to one commenter in a blog post, HERE.

As for anyone, such as the above commenter, who suggests that ANY part of the Protocols is "true," I respond in the only way appropriate: Pleeeeease. Are you joking? Take the vacuous bigotry elsewhere....

Evan

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Jews and leftism
Posted by: medstudgeek on Apr 12, 2006 10:22 PM   
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Most stereotypes have a grain of truth. The problem is that while there is no Jewish conspiracy, there is a long and enduring tradition of Jewish leftism, growing out of the fact that historically the European right was much more anti-Semitic. Most of on Alternet don't bother mentioning this, because we think it's something to be proud of if anything. But it's not too hard to see how conservatives could pick up on this and start spinning conspiracy theories.

Sure there are Jewish conservatives...Murray Rothbard, Frank Chodorov, and Ayn Rand on the libertarian side and all the neocons. The head of the RNC is Jewish. But Jews are predominantly liberal, and that's naturally going to piss off Republicans. "Fuck the Jews, they didn't vote for us anyway," James Baker said. Well, yeah, they didn't.

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So what...
Posted by: Newtopia on Apr 13, 2006 6:37 AM   
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Look, none of this is relevant.

What's relevant is that Israel is an apartheid state guilty of widescale human rights atrocities. They are a brutal and selfish people (meaning Israelites, not "The Jews") who have sucked up every single dollar, natural resource, and acre in the region, all at the peril and expense of the Palestinians, who live in destitute poverty in "shanty" towns under a military occupation. Israel should be judged on their behavior since their (still) illegal formation in 1949, which includes 5 wars of aggression and a 40 year illegal occupation of Palestine. Plus, they have an illlegal and undocumented nuclear weapons program with over 200 warheads, and here we are squawking about hitting Iran for warheads they don;t even have yet.

Israel is the South Africa of the 21st Century, and they should be held accountable on the world stage. And this shreiking Cassandra "You're an anti-Semite if you question us" bullshit the Jews foist on the rest of the world, particularly Americans, is simply unforgiveable. Worse genocides than the Holocaust have happened in history, and none of those peoples have risen to the heights of power and influence that Israel has.

If it was any other nation, they'd probably be invaded and occupied by the US by now, if not economically destroyed like we did to Argentina, Mexico, Russia, Poland, the Asian Tiger, etc, etc.

But no...Israel gets 13 Billion a year from us instead.

It makes me want to puke.

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There no quotes from the book
Posted by: incenseman on Apr 13, 2006 2:07 PM   
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Where are the quotes FROM the Protocols? Have you read them? Take the word Jew out of the book and read the Protocol's..if you can say that the stated objectives and controls are NOT happing today then you are blind. Forget the Jews or any "group" of people. The Protocols are a map for world domination and they are in place and working, put there by the folks that run the world.

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Paul McCollum
Posted by: paulmccollum527 on Apr 16, 2006 11:37 AM   
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As I was reading this story, I found it ironic and disturbing to see on the left, an advertizement for a book called "The Sport of Distraction". As I continued to read the blog which was a good dialogue about this age old semitism crap and thats important. What bothers me is the continuing problem of anyone, in any story, at any time, failing to mention why the "Jews" (Israeli people) were warned in advance. Its such an important truth that when not mentioned adds fire to the crazy anti Jewish comspiracy theorists retoric and at the same time keeps us from getting this maniac and his team the hell out of our white house. The Israeli Mossad who as other inteligence communities in the world including the russians and our own, found evidence of the upcoming attacks, came to the U.S. to warn us, were totally blown off by the white house and U.S. intelligence officials they tried to meet with (this was unprecidented) so they, the Mossad went to tell their own people in the twin towers since no one else seemed to give a shit. Records clearly show the facts behind this truth including most of the Israeli people working in the twin towers leaving, canceling great and hard to get leases and basically showing they were clearly convinced of the upcoming attach.
So the longer we keep mentioning the one part of the anti semetic conspiracy angle without saying the full truth of why that single peace of information about why the Jewish people really were forewarned, then we are voluntarily playing the game known as, you guessed it, "The Sport of Distraction" with major dosses of denial and apathy being used like steroids to help win the game.
thanks
Paul

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Have any of you actually seen the film?
Posted by: monsieurbill on Apr 16, 2006 2:05 PM   
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After reading many of the comments in response to the article and the inevitable comments on the comments, I wonder how many of these people have actually seen the film. I have, at a Canadian international film festival many months ago. And it left me stunned and depressed. Marc Levin- hardly a Judeo-centric documentary film maker(check out the other films that he's done)- was moved to do the film because, as he stated, a cabbie in his hometown of NY, without provocation while Levin was in his cab, started in with the myth that no Jews died in the twin towers on September 11th. The same cabbie referred to the Protocols. The film, as the author states, took him on a journey to try to understand where it all came from and to tackle the vile dissemination of anti-semitism and the pernicious belief in the long disputed Protocols. Usually content to be behind the camera, Levin does a Michael Moore-ian turn, and actually confronts/meets his subjects face to face. Does he succeed in his effort? As a film, it tends to meander. For example, the whole section on Gibson's The Passion of Christ(which happened to be released as Levin was making his movie) could have been and should have been avoided(though to hear Gibson's father question the holocaust- the one involving the Jewish people- was chilling). He doesn't have Moore's irony-heavy sense of humor, either. However, to see actual clips of the TV series which has been broadcasted and rebroadcasted throughout much of the Arab world was more than informative. To know that this book was sold at Walmart only up to a few years ago and to see the Nazi skinhead with his line of racist products(including the sold out Protocols) is astounding. To hear the anti-Jewish rants of the neo-Nazis and an assortment of others who should know better is disgusting. By the way, as Dercazc states, he also interviewed some right wing Israel supporters for a bit of dose of "the other's" racism. At the same time,it is made clear that the original Protocols were a forgery of Joly's satiric writing from 1800's relating to the French powers that be. What part of "false" do some of this site's readers fail to get?

It should also be noted that Levin has tried to use his film as a vehicle to spur dialogue. Invited to screenings in NY were a few prominent Jew bashing African American leaders(much to the chagrin of more mainstream Jewish elements who not only opposed that but also the making of the film altogether). At least one left saying that the film raised some questions for him. Dialogue started. What a concept!

The bottom line is this, kids. Racism of any sort is vile. And that includes anti-semitism(be it against Jews or Arabs). As a more or less secular Jew who marched against the Iraq war in SF and who has used the Passover seder on a few occasions to bring up the "occupation"(this is not self-congratulatory, just a fact), I am disturbed by the notion that is peretrated by many on the progressive side that if only there was no occupation(or Israel, for some),there would be no anti-semitism. Who the hell are you kidding? Anti-Jewish sentiment and persecution existed long,long before the emergence of the state of Israel! And, with the silence of many on the progressive side as well as the ongoing demonization by many in the Arab world(and,increasingly,in some parts of the European population as well), it continues to thrive. Accept that it exists, say that is unequivocably wrong and anti-human(no matter what the Israelis do). And when somebody talks about "the Jews" as if we're one homogeneous group with global control aspirations, challenge them on it!

While this movie may have bit off more than it could chew, it raises many disturbing and thought provoking points. See it and then come back to the table to discuss it. That's the least you could do.

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JOSHUADUDD - INTERNET WHORE
Posted by: cerveny1 on Apr 16, 2006 3:13 PM   
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Funny thing about Alternet.org . . . There is this little click of self-righteous moderators who unilaterally determine what is right and wrong. Those in particular who don't agree with one JOSHUA LUDD and his brand of democracy may find themselves banished to Alternet's Gulag. I don't mind anymore. I have determined that a site frequented by an arrogant, gutless little prick like JOSHUA LUDD is hardly worth my time. I managed to break all of Alternet's fascist and seemingly self-contradictory rules of engagement but then again so did Joshua so I can only conclude that he is some kind of moderator or just a little bitch. Probably both. I'm sure that many of you who have debated with this self-important little prick understand. Having a left-leaning site like this is great and all but when assholes like JOSHUA LUDD run the show it ends up being a My Way or the Highway circle jerk eh JOSH? There can be no dissenting voice with JOSHUA LUDD. He silences you if he disagrees with you – sound familiar? All this discussion about the problems Americans are facing, censorship being one of them, and Fascistnet.org ends up being a microcosm of that very problem.

I challenge Joshua on every occasion because I disagree with him and his beliefs. He and I have both exchanged ad-hominem attacks – he seems to be a real tough guy though, given to Lee Marvin-esque outbursts but yet he whines to a friend and poof I’m gone or maybe he is the BIG PRICK who moderates the whole thing. In any event he actually represents much of what is wrong with this site and to a greater extent, what is wrong with America. We are discussing such topics as War, Racism, Fascism, Sexism, Capitalism, Socialism, etc. and yet are asked to keep the kid gloves on. Funny, one would think that people with enough conviction to come in here and discuss these topics would have thicker skin, and apparently most do except that little BITCH ASS TRICK JOSHUA LUDD. Keep him in mind when he attacks you personally and calls you a “reprehensible, murderous hypocrite” or this little pearl he threw out there – “Good for you. You still didn't serve. As my grandfather... a WW2 vet would say "close only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes". Either you served or you didn't, and you, you chickenhawk piece of shit, DID NOT.” Funny Josh is beyond reproach much like our own president and the man he was criticizing in that thread – Colin Powell. Who is going to censure or ban you Josh? What about that post wasn’t a personal attack and profane?

I think many of you would be interested in knowing that Little Joshie is running a pseudo-intellectual pyramid blogging scam – fucking hilarious Josh!!!! What is it called Josh – Blogging for Bucks?? LMAO!!!
No I understand why you have this incestuous little relationship with Alternet.org. You are giving each other the reach-around eh JOSHUADUDD? You’re nothing but a little blog twink are you? This is the real progressive thinker you all are dealing with. WHAT A FUCKING LOSER!! Here’s his pitch spoken like a good little Neo-con:

“Write a blog. Make Money.
There are millions of people who want to work from home but don't know how.There are millions of people who know how to write.There are millions of people who know how to write, but don't know how t