COMMENTS: 53
Democracy Behind Bars
Sign up to stay up to date on the latest headlines via email.
Today, nearly 5 million Americans are disfranchised from the right to vote either because they are in prison, on parole or probation, or because they live in a state that extends disfranchisement beyond the end of one's sentence. Racial, ethnic and economic disparities in the criminal justice system, and the "war on drugs" have resulted in the most severe impact hitting communities of color. Where African-Americans comprise only 12.2 percent of the population and 13 percent of drug users, they make up 38 percent of those arrested for drug offenses and 59 percent of those convicted of drug offenses, causing critics to call the war on drugs the "New Jim Crow." Nationally, an estimated 13 percent of African-American men are unable to vote because of a felony conviction. That's seven times the national average.
The United States is the only "democracy" in which people who have served their sentences can still lose their right to vote. As Jamaica S., a 25-year-old on probation in Tennessee who lost her right to vote shared in "Conned," "It seems when you're convicted of a felony, the scarlet letter is there. You take it everywhere with you."
We met up with Sasha to learn more about his time writing "Conned," the impact of disfranchisement and the reform measures being fought at the state level to repair our broken democracy.
Cole Krawitz: Sasha, tell us how you started to cover the impact of disfranchisement and voter restoration on the nation.
Sasha Abramsky: I had been writing about criminal justice issues for years, and was particularly fascinated with the broader political and economic impact of a series of policy choices made from the 1970s to the present day that had the effect of massively expanding the country's criminal justice system. The numbers were extraordinary: America had gone from having fewer than half a million people in jail and prison in the early 1970s to having over two million people behind bars by the turn of the century. I knew that, as the war on drugs, in particular, played out, it was having a huge effect on labor markets, on family structure, on community viability in poor neighborhoods; quite simply, in many instances so many people were being hauled off to jail and prison that entire communities were being dislocated. I also knew that ex-prisoners faced an array of post-sentence penalties -- from restrictions on what kinds of jobs they could get through to denial of welfare benefits, student loans and public housing if their felony convictions were drug-related. I had also heard that there were limits placed on their voting rights.
The day after the 2000 presidential election, I posted a story on Mother Jones online about a "purge" of suspected felons and about the impact it had clearly had on the Gore-Bush outcome. From there, I was hooked. The topic was, quite simply, too juicy to ignore.
CK: I was fascinated by your choice to use Alexis de Tocqueville's "Democracy in America" to help narrate "Conned." Why de Tocqueville?
SA: De Tocqueville has always fascinated me. He's a European aristocrat who comes over to America in the 1830s to study the country's prison system; and he ends up spending nine months touring the country, absolutely intrigued by its democratic possibilities and by the expanding institutions of democracy and culture of democracy that he sees all around. In some instances he romanticizes the country -- and he certainly underestimates the central role of slavery. But his enthusiasm for the best aspects of American life is infectious.
Like de Tocqueville, I also grew up in Europe; in London. And I, too, have found myself, as an adult, fascinated by America's culture and politics.
In deciding to travel around the country for several months exploring what I saw as a major failing of America's democratic institutions -- its failure to protect the vote for millions of Americans caught up in a seemingly ever-expanding penal system -- I wanted a literary companion who could be used to compare the country's democratic potential with the somewhat more tawdry realities I was encountering. De Tocqueville struck me as the perfect companion. Over four months, his writings continually provided insight and prescient observations. I hope that, in using de Tocqueville in this way, my book becomes something more than a narrow criminal justice book, becoming instead a commentary on American democracy, its successes and its shortfalls.
CK: One of the myths that I think "Conned" strongly helps dispel is the idea that people who have been disfranchised don't want to vote. Why do some legislators continue to disregard how, when people are actually asked if they want to vote, they overwhelming say yes, and in states where law allows and advocates have helped let people know about their rights, that people do vote?
SA: There's a pervasive stereotype out there that criminals, as a group, have absolutely no political interests or desire to participate in any communal goings-on. Now, in reality there is no such thing as a single, monolithic "criminal type." Some people convicted of crimes are indeed utterly sociopathic -- hardened, violent and predatory and, yes, it may well be true that these individuals (a) wouldn't want to vote, and that (b) we as a society are safer with them behind bars and better off not participating politically. But you can't craft umbrella disenfranchisement legislation for all felons based on the behaviors and attitudes of a minority of felons.
The large majority of people who get caught up in the criminal justice system do not fit the sociopathic profile: In fact, over one million jail and prison inmates were sentenced after committing nonviolent offenses. They commit crimes, many of them drug-related or generated by dire poverty, they serve their time, and at the end of their sentence, they want to get on with their lives. Now, some of these men and women are apolitical -- just like millions of their nonfelon counterparts -- and don't see the importance of voting. Many of them, however, desperately want to vote and feel shamed and, in a sense, emasculated by being unable to vote.
It was this burning desire to vote, expressed to me in numerous interviews I conducted around the country, that most surprised me. Before starting my reporting, to a degree I'd bought into the stereotype: I'd assumed I was covering a story with a vast philosophical implication, one that went to the heart of theories of democracy and universal suffrage, but with only limited practical impact, precisely because I'd assumed most felons wouldn't vote even if they could.
In a sense, I thought, going in, that Florida 2000, when the nonvotes of felons clearly mattered, was an aberration rather than something that spoke to a larger issue. Instead, I found people in state after state, many in states with closely divided electorates, who were absolutely devastated by not being allowed to vote. There were people like Jamaica S., who had been convicted of a low-end felony, had been put on probation instead of being sent to prison, but had lost her voting rights; there was a 30-something-year-old man who owned a small taxi fleet, who couldn't vote because of a drug crime from when he was a teenager; there was a furniture store employee in rural Virginia who'd been trying for the better part of a decade, without success, to get back his voting rights after being convicted of a drug crime.
To me, that became the central focus of my book: the fact that so many people who so want to participate in the political process are being told by their own government officials that they cannot and should not vote.
CK: Public opinion data shows strong support for reform -- 80 percent of the public supports restoration of voting rights for ex-felons who have completed their sentences, and 64 percent and 62 percent respectively support the right of probationers and parolees to vote. Has this impacted or translated into legislative action?
SA: Over the past several years, many states have enacted limited reforms. In Maryland, for example, permanent disenfranchisement was replaced by a waiting period - which itself is now being challenged by Democratic legislatures. In Alabama, at least in theory, the process by which felons can apply to regain their vote has been simplified, though only to a limited degree. New Mexico has abandoned permanent disenfranchisement, as have several other states since 2000. Last year, Iowa governor Tom Vilsack signed an executive order granting clemency regarding voting rights to tens of thousands of ex-felons.
Yet, a core number of holdout states remain, and unfortunately, these are the states with the largest concentration of disenfranchised citizens: Florida, Virginia, Alabama still to a large extent has an extremely restricted franchise, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky. And several other states place extreme, though not permanent, restrictions on the voting rights of felons.
CK: You start your trip not in Florida or New York, but in Seattle, Wash., highlighting how people's inability to fully pay off court fees -- known as Legal Financial Obligations (LFOs) -- were blocking them from the ability to vote. What do you think the impact will be of the recent suit brought forward and won by the ACLU in Washington state overturning this requirement?
SA: I started in Washington state because I wanted this to be a book national in its scope, and I also wanted my readers to really get a sense that this problem was not something that could be located solely in the Old South. Washington, in many ways, is a very liberal state, and thus the scale of disenfranchisement present there was, to me, both surprising and also deeply disturbing. I got a sense that these really were invisible people. In Washington, I interviewed numerous ex-prisoners who were living law-abiding lives in the community, but they were unable to pay off all the fines and court costs levied in responses to criminal actions that, in some instances, had occurred decades earlier. As a result, they were not allowed to vote.
The recent lawsuit overturned this state of affairs. The courts ruled that people couldn't be deprived of their voting rights simply because they were too poor to pay off all their fines and court fees. It's an important ruling, because it significantly broadens the franchise, by many tens of thousands of people - and, remember, this is in a state in which the governor was elected by only a couple hundred votes last time around. The big question, though, and it's one that I address in my book in some detail, is whether theoretical reenfranchisement will translate into a real expansion of the franchise. For this to happen, there's going to have to be a pretty intense public education campaign to make people aware of the new state of affairs surrounding voting rights.
CK: Your book documents how the lack of dissemination of correct information about the law -- by the Department of Corrections or the Board of Elections -- continues to disfranchise thousands. This has been reconfirmed by numerous studies, including a recent survey by Brennan Center for Justice, Legal Action Center and Demos of 63 county boards of elections in New York. How were advocates and organizers on the ground tackling this all too common problem of when policy doesn't get implemented effectively?
SA: It's a huge problem. In state after state, researchers have found, and my reporting confirmed, that many election officials simply do not know the state laws surrounding felons' voting rights. Moreover, other public officials who deal directly with prisoners and ex-prisoners also don't know the law. This goes for probation and parole officials as well as prison employees.
In my book, I tell the story of a group of elderly ladies in Utah who greet prisoners as they come out of prison and try to break through their misapprehensions about voting rights by getting them to register to vote the minute they regain their freedom. I also write about lawyers and community activists in various states who are working to educate public officials as well as ex-prisoners about voting laws in their states.
It's an extremely hard issue to get a handle on, but it's vital if we, as a country, are going to meaningfully seek to restore the principle of universal adult suffrage.
CK: In each state, "Conned" demonstrates the link between racism and voting rights restrictions, as well as many legislators' unwillingness to discuss the issue of race and reenfranchisement -- how has this impacted the work that people are trying to do on the state level?
SA: While the concept of felon disenfranchisement goes back to early-modern Europe, and while colonial-era America imposed restrictions on felons' political participation, it's also undeniable that the South's political leadership in the post-civil war period redefined felony codes with the specific intent of disenfranchising as many African-Americans as possible.
No politician today will go on the record and defend disenfranchisement by embracing the notion that it falls most heavily on African-Americans. In fact, politicians generally swear blind their support for disenfranchisement is entirely race-neutral, and consciously, that might well be the case. But, the impact is clearly not race-neutral. Moreover, I can't conceive of a situation in which one quarter of white voters were removed from the voter rolls that wouldn't immediately lead to dramatic political action to overturn the injustice.
Does it impact how people organize against these laws at the state level? The answer has to be "yes." By default, this is a civil rights issue. Felon disenfranchisement in an era of mass incarceration clearly has done more to undo the gains of the 1965 Voting Rights Act than any other single event. Lawsuits have been filed on 14th and 15th Amendment grounds -- though these lawsuits have generally had very limited results. And, increasingly, black caucuses in state legislatures have embraced the cause of reenfranchisement.
CK: People of color rightfully critique a primarily white political and activist establishment, including many progressives and liberals, as being all too comfortable with the high incarceration rates of people of color in this country, and the resulting disfranchisement from housing, jobs and voting that has disproportionately harmed communities of color. How do you think "Conned" might help to change this so that the systemic problems with, and those created by, our criminal justice system are better understood?
SA: "Conned" demonstrates how "criminal justice" cannot be understood as a hermetically sealed issue. Instead, the policies and practices that have so dramatically enlarged the number of people convicted of felonies in America, and the number of people sentenced to spend parts of their lives behind bars, need to be understood as part of a larger societal transformation.
In an era of mass incarceration, progressives need to be looking for linkages, seeking to explore ways in which society responds to poverty and to social disorder. At the moment, our society has made a series of choices that means we devote an increasing number of dollars to funding punishment-based institutions. At the same time, we dramatically underfund community drug rehabilitation programs, community mental health services, job training programs and the like. Not surprisingly, given these priorities, prisons have come to be first-tier response mechanisms for a host of deep-rooted social problems.
Now, obviously, most everyone wants to live in a peaceful society, one not driven by crime and violence. The question is how best to achieve that. I'd hope that "Conned" opens up the debate here: Does simply locking up ever larger numbers of people best serve this goal? Does an over-reliance on incarceration come with a host of other, largely hidden costs? In the arena of voting rights, my book explores these costs. It looks at how society as a whole is now being impacted by out-of-whack sentencing policies and by the overlap of criminal justice institutions with the voting rights of citizens.
I'd hope that readers of my book come away with a better understanding of the ways in which current incarceration policies produce a host of dysfunctional societal outcomes.
Stay up to date with the latest AlterNet headlines via email
Comments are closed-
Posted by: thinkverybig on Apr 25, 2006 12:16 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Our prison system is out of whack and systematically targets the poor for the pleasure of keeping big business of prisons happy. This must no longer be tolerated by us Americans, by anyone who has a heart. There is a better way and we must commit ourselves to finding it. I'm so glad that President BUSH stole those two elections, otherwise I wouldn't be as motivated and inspired to make a difference in the world I live. Since the election debacle, I have never been so enthused about bringing change to our society.
Not only the prison system but the judicial, social, political and econmic systems needs abolishing and we need to start anew.
We must change. A REVOLUTION is needed in this country and needed now.
I am in the process of creating a website by the name of "WeMustChange.org" and I'm looking for volunteers who might be interested in coming aboard and helping me get this concept off of the ground. I need a website designer, and some talented and creative people who are willing to put forth an effort to make a difference in this world. I am presently pondering websites formats etc. Please email ideas to david@thinkverybig.com
One thing I do want to address is oppression world wide. I need more ideas and view points. Let's make "WeMustChange.org" a household name. I need some good people on my team.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rsaxto on Apr 25, 2006 3:26 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Beverly on Apr 25, 2006 4:50 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Our elected officers no longer bide for the will of the people, they go for whatever will line their pockets with the most money and perks. We have a president "drunk with the power of his position", two parties who fight against each other vieing for the golden award of who can get the most points in their latest parlor game.
None of these individuals really care about the American public! Once elected into the shadow of the Whitehouse, these people suddenly become absentminded as to why they were voted for in the first place.
They're to represent the "will of the people"! Instead they become the "puppets" for big corporations who give them gigantic brownie points and a bone as long as they will make sure that the big businesses stay in control.
The citizens of America don't count anymore, we are no longer in control of our country," BIG BUSINESS IS"!
It's way past the time for another "Boston Tea Party" and if we wait too much longer to implement changes, there will no longer be an "America, Land Of The Free"!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Boston Tea Party Anyone?
Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Boston Tea Party Anyone?
Posted by: bullwinkle6969
Comments are closed-
Posted by: oldsmobile on Apr 25, 2006 6:13 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I always find these kinds of shows disturbing. It seems when a person becomes a felon, or even a suspect, all humanity is drained from him and anything can be done to him. This kind of dehumanisation is really horrible, comparable to what the Nazis did!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Sciopatchic profile
Posted by: chutzpah
» RE: Sciopatchic profile
Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Sciopatchic profile
Posted by: Gregor
Comments are closed-
Posted by: DavidByron on Apr 25, 2006 6:34 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: When women had no vote it was an issue
Posted by: VisionQuest
» Justice is the business of everyone
Posted by: DavidByron
» RE: When women had no vote it was an issue
Posted by: WyrdSister
» Feminist prejudice as usual
Posted by: DavidByron
» RE: Feminist prejudice as usual
Posted by: WyrdSister
» When women had no vote, there were women who stood up and said things like this...
Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Too politically sensitive to mention they're all men
Posted by: DavidByron
» RE: I stopped voting for Democrats in 1995 over this issue
Posted by: aahpat
» Five, six seven or more times more men
Posted by: DavidByron
» Grammar
Posted by: BlueTigress
» Ok...so after the arguing is there a SOLUTION!
Posted by: rboard
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Stonecutter on Apr 25, 2006 7:13 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Ever since the so-called "Reagan Revolution" morphed hordes of former conserative southern Democrats into Reagan Republicans and tipped the political balance of power below the Mason-Dixon line, the states there have done whatever it takes to contain the political clout of people of color by whatever means necessary. Incarcerating great masses of them, and then disenfranchising them indefinitely, has been extremely effective....the stats tell the story, and there's no question that this single method of exclusion was the difference in the 2000 election in Florida, which in tragic turn left us during the past 5 years with the worst presidency in American history.
Abramsky is on to something very big, and I for one hope his book will get wide distribution and discussion among thinking Americans, in time for this travesty to be righted before we're merely a nation of gated communities filled with rich golfers and bridge players oblivious to the real world outside their fortresses. One of the core engines of change will have to come from electoral imbalance being corrected by an influx of more progressive voters and candidates. Allowing those non-violent, non-sociopathic felons who've done their time to vote is a direct path to such change.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Apr 25, 2006 7:21 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Another topic that I would like to see is the treatment of psychiatric patients in prison. Since 1980, treatment has gone from hospitals and mental health facilities to prisons and substance abuse houses.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Three strikes & MADD
Posted by: Cathyc
Comments are closed-
Posted by: jesme on Apr 25, 2006 7:37 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Actually, I'm agnostic on the question whether felons should be able to vote after doing their time. I'm not at all agnostic on the question whether they should be locked up for violating the law. And I find myself nodding off amidst the tedious argument over whether this or that law is "fair," or "fairly enforced." It's a good issue to debate, mind you. But while you're debating it, it helps to obey the laws already on the books. That way, you're free to move about, organize protests, elect candidates, and get the laws changed. If you're too stupid to obey the law in the meantime, you've made your bed and can lie in it.
As one who grew up in a gang-infested neighborhood, my sympathy for criminals is, to put it mildly, limited. If they can't be bothered to obey the law, I can't be bothered to worry about their voting rights.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Maybe it's just me, but...
Posted by: Allison
» RE: Maybe it's just me, but...
Posted by: mirimac
» RE: Maybe it's just me, but...
Posted by: Cathyc
» who the hell obeys the law?
Posted by: Iconoclast421
» Only the simple-minded see a difference between obey the law and "don't get caught"?
Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: Maybe it's just me, but...
Posted by: aahpat
» You are right, but America never was a democracy.
Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: You are right, but America never was a democracy.
Posted by: aahpat
» No, but it keeps us informed, and on the same page.
Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Well, there you are...
Posted by: jesme
Comments are closed-
Posted by: TagsNOLA on Apr 25, 2006 8:33 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
TagsNOLA
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: What is the rationale...
Posted by: chutzpah
» RE: What is the rationale...
Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: What is the rationale...
Posted by: Gregor
Comments are closed-
Posted by: skiptowne on Apr 25, 2006 11:28 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Yes, it is ironic, but it is also tragic.
Posted by: Sojourner
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Apr 25, 2006 11:51 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» "No-brainer?" There's lots of that going around these days, but it cuts both ways.
Posted by: Sojourner
Comments are closed-
Posted by: ande3 on Apr 25, 2006 12:48 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: aahpat on Apr 25, 2006 1:23 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My Aug. 2005 essay on this issue: How America's right wing has successfully subverted our democracy
This essay of mine includes links to others on the issue. Pennsylvania safe incumbency is success of Jim Crow
You can see apportionment subversion by the GOP quite clearly on this page I host: Pennsylvania -democracy incarcerated-
The 2004 Congressional Research Service report to congress, "Illicit Drugs and the Terrorist Threat: Causal Links and Implications for Domestic Drug Control Policy" asserted that: "The international traffic in illicit drugs contributes to terrorist risk through at least five mechanisms: supplying cash, creating chaos and instability, supporting corruption, providing "cover" and sustaining common infrastructures for illicit activity, and competing for law enforcement and intelligence attention. Of these, cash and chaos are likely to be the two most important."
The CRS report irrationally concludes: "American drug policy is not, and should not be, driven entirely, or even primarily, by the need to reduce the contribution of drug abuse to our vulnerability to terrorist action. There are too many other goals to be served by the drug abuse control effort."
"Creating the chaos and instability" of subverting American democracy is, I believe, one of those "other goals" that are more important than "our vulnerability to terrorist action".
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Last I heard, it was BushI's "War on Drugs," but when you've met one fascist, you've met them all.
Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: Last I heard, it was BushI's "War on Drugs," but when you've met one fascist, you've met them all.
Posted by: aahpat
Comments are closed-
Posted by: aahpat on Apr 25, 2006 3:59 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
America will never cleanse its gene pool with the criminal code. SEE: Issue One: Teens are not genetically wired to just say no
For the drug war we force children to run the gauntlet of their formative years between addict drug dealers, gangsters, predators and terrorists on one side and police with threats of mandatory minimums of anal rape for any child that does not 'just say no'. In the name of drug war we do this 'for the children'.
The solution here is not simply restoring suffrage but stop incarcerating people for personal behavior violations in the first place. At its worst addiction is a genetic based disease that America is treating with billy clubs.
Law and order, zero tolerance!!!!!
Zero tolerance is absolute intolerance. Absolute intolerance is fascism. We have indoctrinated two generations of American children with fascist reflexes of absolute intolerance and now we wonder why our children shoot up their schoolrooms.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Ullern on Apr 25, 2006 4:17 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This of course means penal law-making can go largely "unpunished", meaning uncriticized by those who best know the worst effects of the penal system. An important check on unidesirable effects is removed.
The effect is that the feedback-loop between the law-makers and the effected is cut. A healthy necessary circulation of info in society on how the systems work, is stopped from flowing.
Democratic? Hardly. Convenient for suppression of the voices with the most critical views to present? Absolutely.
Ole Ullern
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: aahpat on Apr 25, 2006 4:24 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Prisoners of the Census
Miscounting prisoners undercounts democracy
"In 48 states prisoners cannot vote, but the Census counts the nation's mostly urban prisoners as residents of the mostly rural towns that host prisons. Every decade, states use these "phantom" populations to redraw state legislative boundaries and re-apportion political representatives and power accordingly. With U.S. incarceration now setting worldwide records, and the consequences of that falling disproportionately on people of color, the harm to our democracy and civil rights is measurable and profound."
"Rural Pennsylvania harvests the majority of the prisons, but few of the prisoner seeds come from the rural counties that host the prisons. Twelve % of the state lives on Philadelphia, but 40% of the state's prisoners are from the city. No state prisoners are incarcerated within Philadelphia..."
EDITORIAL OBVSERVER
New York Times
Why Some Politicians Need Their Prisons to Stay Full
By BRENT STAPLES
Dec. 27, 2004
"The idea of counting inmates as voters in the counties that imprison them is particularly repulsive given that inmates are nearly always stripped of the right to vote. The practice recalls the early United States under slavery, when slaves were barred from voting but counted as three-fifths of a person for purposes of apportioning representation in Congress."
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: saywhat? on Apr 25, 2006 7:59 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: janvdb on Apr 26, 2006 10:51 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Treatment, not incarceration.
If we stopped interdiction, the price of drugs would fall -- defunding the mafias which supply it.
And how many people you know would decide to start doing drugs -- destroy their careers, marriages and teeth -- because meth, cocaine and heroin are suddenly 10% of their previous price and easy to get?
Not that many.
The self-destructive are already on the stuff and the rest of us don't care what it costs.
Jan VanDenBerg
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: plantland on Apr 27, 2006 9:48 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Guys come out wanting a decent life, and willing to work.
African Americans can't get jobs in the unprosecuted underground economy of fairly well paid manual labor because the subcontractors hire preferentially from their own family or from their own villages. Plus, most ex cons can't speak Spanish.
The "path to citizenship" mentioned in the (amnesty) section will mean that those who came illegally will be in a position to sponsor their often very large families to come here legally.
Schools already devote more personal atention and supports to those who do not speak English. Many of these older teenagers were overlooked in their own schools. The situation promises to get much worse if the McCain Kennedy bill amnesty and guestworker bill is passed.
If you agree, please call your senators TODAY.
also, Diversity Alliance for a Sustainalbe America, www.diversityalliance.org
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: thinkverybig on Apr 25, 2006 12:16 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Our prison system is out of whack and systematically targets the poor for the pleasure of keeping big business of prisons happy. This must no longer be tolerated by us Americans, by anyone who has a heart. There is a better way and we must commit ourselves to finding it. I'm so glad that President BUSH stole those two elections, otherwise I wouldn't be as motivated and inspired to make a difference in the world I live. Since the election debacle, I have never been so enthused about bringing change to our society.
Not only the prison system but the judicial, social, political and econmic systems needs abolishing and we need to start anew.
We must change. A REVOLUTION is needed in this country and needed now.
I am in the process of creating a website by the name of "WeMustChange.org" and I'm looking for volunteers who might be interested in coming aboard and helping me get this concept off of the ground. I need a website designer, and some talented and creative people who are willing to put forth an effort to make a difference in this world. I am presently pondering websites formats etc. Please email ideas to david@thinkverybig.com
One thing I do want to address is oppression world wide. I need more ideas and view points. Let's make "WeMustChange.org" a household name. I need some good people on my team.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rsaxto on Apr 25, 2006 3:26 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Beverly on Apr 25, 2006 4:50 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Our elected officers no longer bide for the will of the people, they go for whatever will line their pockets with the most money and perks. We have a president "drunk with the power of his position", two parties who fight against each other vieing for the golden award of who can get the most points in their latest parlor game.
None of these individuals really care about the American public! Once elected into the shadow of the Whitehouse, these people suddenly become absentminded as to why they were voted for in the first place.
They're to represent the "will of the people"! Instead they become the "puppets" for big corporations who give them gigantic brownie points and a bone as long as they will make sure that the big businesses stay in control.
The citizens of America don't count anymore, we are no longer in control of our country," BIG BUSINESS IS"!
It's way past the time for another "Boston Tea Party" and if we wait too much longer to implement changes, there will no longer be an "America, Land Of The Free"!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Boston Tea Party Anyone?
Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Boston Tea Party Anyone?
Posted by: bullwinkle6969
Comments are closed-
Posted by: oldsmobile on Apr 25, 2006 6:13 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I always find these kinds of shows disturbing. It seems when a person becomes a felon, or even a suspect, all humanity is drained from him and anything can be done to him. This kind of dehumanisation is really horrible, comparable to what the Nazis did!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Sciopatchic profile
Posted by: chutzpah
» RE: Sciopatchic profile
Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Sciopatchic profile
Posted by: Gregor
Comments are closed-
Posted by: DavidByron on Apr 25, 2006 6:34 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: When women had no vote it was an issue
Posted by: VisionQuest
» Justice is the business of everyone
Posted by: DavidByron
» RE: When women had no vote it was an issue
Posted by: WyrdSister
» Feminist prejudice as usual
Posted by: DavidByron
» RE: Feminist prejudice as usual
Posted by: WyrdSister
» When women had no vote, there were women who stood up and said things like this...
Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Too politically sensitive to mention they're all men
Posted by: DavidByron
» RE: I stopped voting for Democrats in 1995 over this issue
Posted by: aahpat
» Five, six seven or more times more men
Posted by: DavidByron
» Grammar
Posted by: BlueTigress
» Ok...so after the arguing is there a SOLUTION!
Posted by: rboard
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Stonecutter on Apr 25, 2006 7:13 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Ever since the so-called "Reagan Revolution" morphed hordes of former conserative southern Democrats into Reagan Republicans and tipped the political balance of power below the Mason-Dixon line, the states there have done whatever it takes to contain the political clout of people of color by whatever means necessary. Incarcerating great masses of them, and then disenfranchising them indefinitely, has been extremely effective....the stats tell the story, and there's no question that this single method of exclusion was the difference in the 2000 election in Florida, which in tragic turn left us during the past 5 years with the worst presidency in American history.
Abramsky is on to something very big, and I for one hope his book will get wide distribution and discussion among thinking Americans, in time for this travesty to be righted before we're merely a nation of gated communities filled with rich golfers and bridge players oblivious to the real world outside their fortresses. One of the core engines of change will have to come from electoral imbalance being corrected by an influx of more progressive voters and candidates. Allowing those non-violent, non-sociopathic felons who've done their time to vote is a direct path to such change.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Apr 25, 2006 7:21 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Another topic that I would like to see is the treatment of psychiatric patients in prison. Since 1980, treatment has gone from hospitals and mental health facilities to prisons and substance abuse houses.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Three strikes & MADD
Posted by: Cathyc
Comments are closed-
Posted by: jesme on Apr 25, 2006 7:37 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Actually, I'm agnostic on the question whether felons should be able to vote after doing their time. I'm not at all agnostic on the question whether they should be locked up for violating the law. And I find myself nodding off amidst the tedious argument over whether this or that law is "fair," or "fairly enforced." It's a good issue to debate, mind you. But while you're debating it, it helps to obey the laws already on the books. That way, you're free to move about, organize protests, elect candidates, and get the laws changed. If you're too stupid to obey the law in the meantime, you've made your bed and can lie in it.
As one who grew up in a gang-infested neighborhood, my sympathy for criminals is, to put it mildly, limited. If they can't be bothered to obey the law, I can't be bothered to worry about their voting rights.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Maybe it's just me, but...
Posted by: Allison
» RE: Maybe it's just me, but...
Posted by: mirimac
» RE: Maybe it's just me, but...
Posted by: Cathyc
» who the hell obeys the law?
Posted by: Iconoclast421
» Only the simple-minded see a difference between obey the law and "don't get caught"?
Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: Maybe it's just me, but...
Posted by: aahpat
» You are right, but America never was a democracy.
Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: You are right, but America never was a democracy.
Posted by: aahpat
» No, but it keeps us informed, and on the same page.
Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Well, there you are...
Posted by: jesme
Comments are closed-
Posted by: TagsNOLA on Apr 25, 2006 8:33 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
TagsNOLA
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: What is the rationale...
Posted by: chutzpah
» RE: What is the rationale...
Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: What is the rationale...
Posted by: Gregor
Comments are closed-
Posted by: skiptowne on Apr 25, 2006 11:28 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Yes, it is ironic, but it is also tragic.
Posted by: Sojourner
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Apr 25, 2006 11:51 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» "No-brainer?" There's lots of that going around these days, but it cuts both ways.
Posted by: Sojourner
Comments are closed-
Posted by: ande3 on Apr 25, 2006 12:48 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: aahpat on Apr 25, 2006 1:23 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My Aug. 2005 essay on this issue: How America's right wing has successfully subverted our democracy
This essay of mine includes links to others on the issue. Pennsylvania safe incumbency is success of Jim Crow
You can see apportionment subversion by the GOP quite clearly on this page I host: Pennsylvania -democracy incarcerated-
The 2004 Congressional Research Service report to congress, "Illicit Drugs and the Terrorist Threat: Causal Links and Implications for Domestic Drug Control Policy" asserted that: "The international traffic in illicit drugs contributes to terrorist risk through at least five mechanisms: supplying cash, creating chaos and instability, supporting corruption, providing "cover" and sustaining common infrastructures for illicit activity, and competing for law enforcement and intelligence attention. Of these, cash and chaos are likely to be the two most important."
The CRS report irrationally concludes: "American drug policy is not, and should not be, driven entirely, or even primarily, by the need to reduce the contribution of drug abuse to our vulnerability to terrorist action. There are too many other goals to be served by the drug abuse control effort."
"Creating the chaos and instability" of subverting American democracy is, I believe, one of those "other goals" that are more important than "our vulnerability to terrorist action".
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Last I heard, it was BushI's "War on Drugs," but when you've met one fascist, you've met them all.
Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: Last I heard, it was BushI's "War on Drugs," but when you've met one fascist, you've met them all.
Posted by: aahpat
Comments are closed-
Posted by: aahpat on Apr 25, 2006 3:59 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
America will never cleanse its gene pool with the criminal code. SEE: Issue One: Teens are not genetically wired to just say no
For the drug war we force children to run the gauntlet of their formative years between addict drug dealers, gangsters, predators and terrorists on one side and police with threats of mandatory minimums of anal rape for any child that does not 'just say no'. In the name of drug war we do this 'for the children'.
The solution here is not simply restoring suffrage but stop incarcerating people for personal behavior violations in the first place. At its worst addiction is a genetic based disease that America is treating with billy clubs.
Law and order, zero tolerance!!!!!
Zero tolerance is absolute intolerance. Absolute intolerance is fascism. We have indoctrinated two generations of American children with fascist reflexes of absolute intolerance and now we wonder why our children shoot up their schoolrooms.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Ullern on Apr 25, 2006 4:17 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This of course means penal law-making can go largely "unpunished", meaning uncriticized by those who best know the worst effects of the penal system. An important check on unidesirable effects is removed.
The effect is that the feedback-loop between the law-makers and the effected is cut. A healthy necessary circulation of info in society on how the systems work, is stopped from flowing.
Democratic? Hardly. Convenient for suppression of the voices with the most critical views to present? Absolutely.
Ole Ullern
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: aahpat on Apr 25, 2006 4:24 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Prisoners of the Census
Miscounting prisoners undercounts democracy
"In 48 states prisoners cannot vote, but the Census counts the nation's mostly urban prisoners as residents of the mostly rural towns that host prisons. Every decade, states use these "phantom" populations to redraw state legislative boundaries and re-apportion political representatives and power accordingly. With U.S. incarceration now setting worldwide records, and the consequences of that falling disproportionately on people of color, the harm to our democracy and civil rights is measurable and profound."
"Rural Pennsylvania harvests the majority of the prisons, but few of the prisoner seeds come from the rural counties that host the prisons. Twelve % of the state lives on Philadelphia, but 40% of the state's prisoners are from the city. No state prisoners are incarcerated within Philadelphia..."
EDITORIAL OBVSERVER
New York Times
Why Some Politicians Need Their Prisons to Stay Full
By BRENT STAPLES
Dec. 27, 2004
"The idea of counting inmates as voters in the counties that imprison them is particularly repulsive given that inmates are nearly always stripped of the right to vote. The practice recalls the early United States under slavery, when slaves were barred from voting but counted as three-fifths of a person for purposes of apportioning representation in Congress."
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: saywhat? on Apr 25, 2006 7:59 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: janvdb on Apr 26, 2006 10:51 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Treatment, not incarceration.
If we stopped interdiction, the price of drugs would fall -- defunding the mafias which supply it.
And how many people you know would decide to start doing drugs -- destroy their careers, marriages and teeth -- because meth, cocaine and heroin are suddenly 10% of their previous price and easy to get?
Not that many.
The self-destructive are already on the stuff and the rest of us don't care what it costs.
Jan VanDenBerg
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: plantland on Apr 27, 2006 9:48 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Guys come out wanting a decent life, and willing to work.
African Americans can't get jobs in the unprosecuted underground economy of fairly well paid manual labor because the subcontractors hire preferentially from their own family or from their own villages. Plus, most ex cons can't speak Spanish.
The "path to citizenship" mentioned in the (amnesty) section will mean that those who came illegally will be in a position to sponsor their often very large families to come here legally.
Schools already devote more personal atention and supports to those who do not speak English. Many of these older teenagers were overlooked in their own schools. The situation promises to get much worse if the McCain Kennedy bill amnesty and guestworker bill is passed.
If you agree, please call your senators TODAY.
also, Diversity Alliance for a Sustainalbe America, www.diversityalliance.org
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
How to Answer the Dumb Things Climate Deniers Say
One Company Thinks They've Created Fast Food With a Conscience -- Are They Right?
ACORN Smear Collaborator Claims Persecution to Raise Money for Her Legal Troubles




