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Can Islam and Democracy Coexist?

By Jean MacKenzie and Wahidullah Amani, IWPR Online. Posted April 4, 2006.


The apostasy case against Abdul Rahman Jawed has put the Afghan government on a collision course with its western supporters.

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Abdul Rahman Jawed, Afghanistan's most famous Christian, is a free man. He has escaped the threat of execution for apostasy and been granted asylum in Italy, where he arrived on March 30.

But the central question his case has raised is not so easily resolved. At issue is whether Afghanistan can be both a democratic state and an Islamic republic.

Many are still stunned by how a domestic issue blew up into an international incident. Abdul Rahman, who converted to Christianity 16 years ago while working for a relief organisation in Pakistan, spent nine years in Germany before recently being deported back to Afghanistan. The divorced father of two was seeking to regain custody of his daughters from his parents. But his own father, Abdul Manan, reported him to the police, claiming that his son was unfit to raise the children because of his conversion to Christianity. The police promptly arrested Rahman.

"Yes, I handed my son over to the police because he was a Christian," said Abdul Manan. "Now I will respect whatever the courts decide."

It was clear from the start that the case put the government of President Hamed Karzai in an impossible position. On one hand, it needed to justify the western view of Afghanistan as a fledgling democracy by showing that it would defend basic human rights, including freedom of religion. But to placate the Afghan people, it also needed to show that it would enforce the laws of this staunchly Islamic republic.

The contradiction is enshrined in Afghanistan's new constitution. Article Seven states that the country supports the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, with its unambiguous mandate of religious freedom. But Article Three states just as clearly that Islamic law takes precedence over any other legal considerations. International religious scholars may debate the finer points of Islamic law regarding the Abdul Rahman affair. But within Afghanistan there remains a clear and harsh consensus: he deserves to die.

"Islam states that those who convert to another religion should be killed," said Abdul Malik Kamawi, deputy chairman of the Supreme Court.

"We cannot forget the dictates of Islam or of God," said Maulawi Habibullah Hassam, a religious scholar who heads Kabul's provincial council. "According to Islam, the punishment for apostasy is death. If a Muslim converts to another religion, he puts 1.5 billion Muslims in danger. They will think, 'This man was with us, but now he is leaving.'"

The sentiment on the street was strongly against the convert.

"I thank my God that I am a Muslim," said Ahmad Farhad, 25, who sells car parts in a Kabul market. "We hate people like Abdul Rahman. He should be killed. If they give him to me, I will cut him into small pieces with a knife."

So fierce is the feeling against him that Abdul Rahman was released into protective custody. The justice ministry was made responsible for ensuring his safety until he was able to leave the country. But what seems like a cut-and-dried case in Kabul unleashed a torrent of international outrage.

According to Abdullah Abdullah, the country's outgoing foreign minister, the Afghan embassy in Washington received more than 10,000 messages in one day protesting Rahman's arrest.

"Every meeting I had in the United States involved a discussion of the Abdul Rahman case," he told a press conference in Kabul upon his return from an extended trip.

President George Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice both expressed concern, the Pope asked for clemency, and German chancellor Angela Merkel made a phone call. All had the same message -- Afghanistan would forfeit international support if it proceeded with the case. The international media also weighed in, condemning Afghanistan and advising their own governments to pull out of the country if the young democracy could not demonstrate elementary respect for human rights.

"If Afghanistan wants to return to the Taliban days, it can do so without the help of the United States," the New York Times said in an editorial on March 23.

Caught between domestic fury and international pressure, the Karzai government frantically sought a face-saving way to duck the dispute. It eventually hit upon the idea of having Abdul Rahman declared incompetent to stand trial. According to Islamic law, the defendant cannot be punished for apostasy if he is shown to be mentally ill.

"We released him because under the law we could not hold him any longer without charging him," said Mohammad Eshaq Alako, the deputy attorney general. "We are now waiting for the results of his doctors' examination. It looks like he has mental problems."

Other officials insisted the government had not bowed to Western pressure.

"It is completely untrue that there is diplomatic pressure on us," insisted Ansarullah Maulawizada, the head of the Kabul lower court which was handling the case. "We are working freely and independently." He added that the investigation preceding the court case had suffered "technical problems."

Protests within the country show no sign of diminishing. Over the weekend, Afghan clerics demanded that Rahman -- who has asked to be called Joel, the name he was baptized under -- be returned to Afghanistan and sentenced to death. Nearly 1,000 people rallied in the town of Kunduz to protest the government's handling of the case.

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Jean MacKenzie is the IWPR country director in Kabul. Wahidullah Amani is an IWPR staff reporter in Kabul. Sayed Yaqub Ibrahimi in Mazar-e-Sharif also contributed to this report.

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Fatima Mernissi
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Apr 4, 2006 12:38 AM   
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If anyone can get their hands on a book called "Islam and Democracy" by the Moroccan Islamic Feminist Fatima Mernissi, I recommend you read it. It gives me hope for the future. Of course, there isn't a lot of hope if the world's leaders continue to encourage a complete lack of learning and education on the part of their citizens.

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» Fatima Mernissi RULES! Posted by: dirkster42
Democracy and Islam?
Posted by: kgs1947 on Apr 4, 2006 4:00 AM   
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Whose to say? We westerners know virtually nothing about the intricacies of Islam and all of its fighting sects. Chrisianity and Islam have a lot in common on that front...so much inner fighting for power and prestige. Iraq is a very good example of how westerns get their fingers and weapons into another culture without knowing who they are dealing with. Such ignorance is inexcusable. Get the bible-thumpers out of the picture and perhaps, just perhaps, Islamic believers will work out their own form of "democracy".

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» RE: Democracy and Islam? Posted by: YogiBear
Why only Islam?
Posted by: talkville on Apr 4, 2006 5:15 AM   
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Afghanistan is one country (?). It has it's history and it's peoples. Why pose this question only with regard to the Islamic regions? Any country with a significant dominant religion would be subject to the same kind of problem. Both states and democracy are secular conceptions; when religion enters the picture, the status of both is called into question - no matter what part of the world we're in.

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» RE: Why only Islam? Posted by: Arianna
Misleading title
Posted by: gladwyn on Apr 4, 2006 6:11 AM   
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Western supporters or oppressors? How do you get a supporter from a bunker bomber that can't even build a school or secure the country and has no intent to?

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Working off the "Saudi Arabia Model"
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 4, 2006 6:35 AM   
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In the months leading up to the Iraq war, I hear one of the Project for A New American Century guys (Wolfowitz) stating that the Saudi model would be best for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Translation: set up a brutal fundamentalist religious regime with a puppet government controlled by various oil and other US interests which represses its own people and quashes all democratic dissent...

The plan is progressing according to schedule.

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"Democracy" is seductively easy.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 4, 2006 7:59 AM   
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The West, especially the United States, has somehow determined that "democracy" is a panacea for the peoples. Popular culture perpetuates the idea that we live in a democracy (which we most certainly do not) and that we live in the most free nation on Earth (which we arguably do). Ascribing a cause-and-effect relationship between the two is dangerous and stupid.

Democracy has nothing to do with freedom. Get that through your skulls. Democracy, in it's purest form, only gives people the final authority--and if 51% of the populace wants to elect a radical, fundamentalist government that oppresses 49% of the population...well, that's a true democratic movement.

Our freedoms have nothing to do with democracy. Our freedoms are the birthright that all people on Earth are entitled to, but that we enjoy as written as law into our Constitution. Freedom is fundamental to the joy of human experience and fulfilling our potential as beings; "democracy" is a simply a political tool.

That's why the entwining the idea of bringing "freedom and democracy" to the mid-east is completely without merit. It is a relatively "easy" (as in, only a few hundred billion dollars and the lives of our contrymen over a three year period) thing to establish polling places and outfit a country to guard these places so that people can vote. Democracy accomplished.

It is quite another thing altogether to instill the idea within a country that each individual is a means and an end unto himself, and does not owe himself or herself to any other "higher calling", whether that is religious, social, or governmental.

Is it really surprising to anyone that a peoples who had been willing to put up with totalitarian radical Islamic facism would democratically vote to reinstill significant portions of that same radical governance? There was only a small chance that radical Islam would not be the end result, and that chance would have depended on far more force, and far different courses of actions. Neither or which would have been justified, but, again, there was only a slim chance to begin with.

I'm glad the gentleman is free. I'm glad that (at least for the time being) that most people in Afghanistan are more free today than previously, as are the people in Iraq--with the small exception of being constantly threatened with death.
I'm not making light of "democracy". Surely, one aspect of freedom is to choose one's government; I'm also glad they enjoy this minor part of what it means to free. Sadly, this is the only part of "freedom" that may endure. Mayhap not even that.

When it is all said and done, we've--at least temporarily-- "given" the peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan the power to freely vote to oppress their fellow man (not to mention the largely continuing--but slightly more subtle--subjugation of women), in a democratic fashion.

That simply isn't good enough, and doesn't justify the continued "nation building". Bring our people home, train them, and be ready to send them back when/if/where the we find terrorists training to blow up me and my family, or you and yours. This business of somehow "teaching" these fundmentalist states our values of liberty and freedom is a fools errand, and is costing us far too much in treasure and in the blood of our patriots.

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» RE: "Democracy" is seductive Posted by: DataDoc
» Democracy and "culture bombs". Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Democracy and Liberalism Posted by: brunowe
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» Agreed. Posted by: ABetterFuture
Why did Reagan pay bin Laden to attack Afghanistan?
Posted by: ScottP on Apr 4, 2006 8:32 AM   
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Perhaps someone can remind me of that again. As I recall, Afghanistan was in some turmoil in the late 70's, with the Russian supported secular government in control, building infrastructure, and establishing secular education, but unpopular with the religious elements. But Reagan and other fundamentalists here despised the Russians for being "godless", as well as just being the enemy of choice. So Reagan funded and armed bin Laden and other religious extremists to destroy the secular government of Afghanistan, with the clear intent of establishing an Islamic state. Once established (including during both the war lord years and the Taliban years) fundamentalist religion was heavily promoted, and in a nation with high birth rates and short life expectancy became entrenched quickly. As any reader of the Koran would expect, the country quickly deserted the Western ally that had helped them exchange their Russian shackles for Islamic ones.

So the goal was to drain the Red Army? Not likely, by 1980 it was already clearly a paper tiger, unable to even feed its troops, who were routinely left to scavenge for food. Tanks were generally inoperable, with a few still working using parts cannibalized from the others. The goal was to establish freedom and democracy in Afghanistan? Not likely, the mujahedeen never displayed any interest in that. The goal was to make an ally that would facilitate oil and mineral extraction? Possibly, although certainly a naive idea. The goal was to create an enemy to replace the failing Soviet Threat? Bingo!

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This is a misleading question
Posted by: Jesse on Apr 4, 2006 8:54 AM   
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Can Islam and democracy co-exist? What about Christianity? In Massachusetts, my home state, "dissembling" was a crime for nearly 100 years, punishable by wearing a mark and a day or so in the stocks. (It means whether you professed a religion or not-- you were asked if you went to church). Oh, yes, let's not forget the laws in place that allowed non-christians (usually Jews) to be barred from owning property. (Again, this is from Massachusetts, the town of Marblehead had a de facto prohibition on Jewish property owners until the 1960s).

Can Hinduism exist with democracy? Can Judaism? (The record for both is a mixed bag, I think).

You see, I think, how silly that question becomes.

Every time a westerner discusses Islam, it's always as though there is some weird pathology with being a Muslim that makes you do certain things. But Christians took several hundred years to figure out how to make democracy work.

And as I recall it was a fundamentalist Christian who was our record-breaking terrorist until 2001. Is there some weird pathology with Catholics, maybe? Those countries weren't terribly democratic either -- a big shout out to Spain, Portugal and Poland, please! And what group had one of the longest running terror campaigns in Europe? Hint: you can't criticize them in Boston bars.

Hindus don't get a pass either. BJP, this means you.

Only a few Bhuddist countries have become very democratic, and in at least two cases it's a fragile situation. I guess Bhuddism isn't so friendly to democracy.

Maybe the question should be whether democracy can exist in the third world when the US has made it clear that democracy is unacceptable there. After all, one is judged by the company one keeps. Hello Saudi Arabia, Packistan and everybody's favorite vacation destination, Uzbekistan! Let's not leave Turkey and Mali out of this, either. A pretty impressive, though by no means complete, list of great democracies who cooperate in the War On Terror.

Quiz: How many countries has the US sent tropps to, from WWI onward? Answer: 20

Latin America - Bolivia (1967), Dominican Republic (1965), El Salvador (1981-1992 "advisors"), Grenada (1983), Guatemala (1954,1966), Haiti (1994), Panama (1958, 1964, 1991) and Puerto Rico in 1950.

Middle East - Afghanistan (2001), Iraq (1991), Lebanon (1958, 1980s)

Asia - Cambodia (1970), Japan (1945-1950, with continuing presence), Korea (1950-53, with continuing presence), Laos (1970), Vietnam (1965-75). Philippines (1945-53, plus the bases after).

Africa - Somalia (1993)

Europe - Germany (1945-present, though "occupation" officially ends in 1990), Yugoslavia

How many were democracies when we were finished?

The record so far, on a country basis, is 5 out of 20 -- Lebanon, Japan, Germany, Puerto Rico, and Panama, were democracies of any sort after the occupiers (American) left. Ten were democratic or republics beforehand. (Actually twelve counting Germany and Japan, but those republics were short lived and fell in the thirties, and we are only counting the last occupation here for Panama).

So, let's phrase it like this: can democracy coexist with the United States?

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» RE: This is a misleading question Posted by: Aussie Kim
One can only hope. . .
Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Apr 4, 2006 9:14 AM   
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If nothing else, I hope this case helps to put things into a proper perspective here in the US. As someone who converted from Christianity to Judaism (and was suddenly amazed to see just how much Christians take their majority status for granted) I am troubled and sickened by the right-wing fundamentalist agitators who keep insisting that Christianity in the US is (somehow) a "persecuted minority."
Get a grip!

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Zealots are the Problem
Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 4, 2006 9:55 AM   
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If people cannot openly worship or not worship according to their conscience they are not free. If a society imposes any one faith or belief upon people, the society is not free.

I myself am a Christian, but do not condone or support those in our society who wish to use the state to advance their beliefs. Any theology or philosophy should stand or fall upon it's own merits in an open society.

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» RE: Zealots are the Problem Posted by: Aussie Kim
Racist Meme In Headline
Posted by: willhall on Apr 4, 2006 10:08 AM   
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When I saw this headline pop up in my rss-fed google homepage, I figured it was more CNN stealth racism. Then I was shocked to see it was Alternet.

Hey, WTF? Get a clue.

"Can Islam and Democracy Coexist?" fuels the mainstream perception, promoted by American warmongers, of Islam as a religion inherently threatening democracy.

This is just sloppy headline writing, right? You don't really confuse Islam as a whole with extremist political movements that embrace Islamic fundamentalism, do you?

Islam as a religion, be definition, cannot be any more intrinsically threatening to democracy than Judaism or Christianity. If we saw a headline that said "Can Christianity and Democracy Coexist?" we would expect it to be ironic, right? What if every time we considered Judaism we wondered whether it was a threat to secular democracy?

There are many historical examples of followers of Islam coexisting with a democracy. Try any American city, for example. And there are even plenty of Islamic, Christian, and Jewish religious fundamentalists who coexist politically with democratic governments. New York City's Hassidim are not trying to overthrow democracy as far as I know.

A more accurate and non-biased headline would be

"Can Islamic Fundamentalism and Democracy Coexist?"

or

"Can Islam and Democracy Coexist in Afghanistan?"

Let's be very, very clear: there is no place for racist spin, anywhere. Especially not in the otherwise progressive media.

Your headline, spreading around the internet via google, blogs, rss feeds and all the rest, is contributing to a racist, warmongering message: Islam Threatens Democracy. Please fix it.

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» RE: acist Meme In Headline Posted by: Sad4US
» RE: acist Meme In Headline Posted by: amatullah
Religious freedom
Posted by: oregoncharles on Apr 4, 2006 12:01 PM   
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As someone else pointed out, the headline shows an unfortunate confusion between "democracy" and "freedom" - religious freedom, in particular.

I gather the death sentence for apostasy - converting to another religion - is in the Koran, hence intrinsic to Islam. Hence, there is an inherent conflict with religious freedom, unless & until Muslims manage to interpret it away.

Of course, Islam is hardly alone in this. Historically, Christianity was the least tolerant and bloodiest of religions. The Enlightenment invented tolerance and secularism to stop the various flavors of Christians killing each other and unlucky bystanders. To this day, there are Christians who don't accept those values, and living in the US, I'm a lot more worried about them than about intolerant Muslims.

Which doesn't mean the West should be supporting fundamentalist regimes in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, or Iraq. Our intrusion there is rife with such conflicts; do you suppose it would be better to just leave them alone?

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» RE: eligious freedom Posted by: Jesse
» RE: eligious freedom Posted by: olhsson
» RE: eligious freedom Posted by: Aussie Kim
Religion, be it Christianity or Islam, IS the problem
Posted by: Peasant on Apr 4, 2006 12:15 PM   
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Do you ever tire of the fact that a large percentage of the population willfully chooses be so violently idiotic?

Which is inherently a more peaceful or tolerant religion, Islam or Christianity?


Fascinating argument- kinda like debating which kind of debilating brain cancer is better to die from.

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Next stop, Iraq.
Posted by: YogiBear on Apr 4, 2006 2:49 PM   
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The government in Iraq is mulling over adopting Sharia law as overruling secular law as well. Score another one for democracy!

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Democracy and Islam - Noah Feldman & Hamza Yusuf
Posted by: alhambrapro on Apr 4, 2006 3:58 PM   
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To view an excellent dialogue between two luminaries in their field, there is an excellent DVD titled Islam and Democracy: Is A Clash of Civilizations Inevitable?.

Perhaps the most pressing question facing the US today is, what is our relationship with the Islamic world going to be? Can we work together to harmonize our traditions andvalues, or are we destined for a "clash of civilizations" as some pundits have predicted? This thoughtful and thought-provoking discussion by two of America's leading scholars on Islam and the West attempts to answer this question with an emphasis on hope and the belief that the power to avert disaster lies with each one of us.

With Dr. Noah Feldman and Hamza Yusuf.

Contact mikael@alhambraproductions.com and mention the following code to receive 20% off: AlterNetDVD20

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Can Islam and Democracy coexist, it did in the past.
Posted by: brad on Apr 4, 2006 6:58 PM   
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Read your history books.

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» When and where was that ? Posted by: AdamSelene40
» RE: When and where was that ? Posted by: amatullah
Definitely time to support a reformation
Posted by: am con on Apr 8, 2006 7:32 AM   
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Islam presents a major challenge for the survival of civilization in our world: can they learn to ignore the parts of their canon that compel them to conquer, convert or kill the rest of the world before everyone ends up dead? Liberal Christians have, to varying degrees, learned over the last 500 years or so to ignore the similar, unworkable parts of their canon. Unfortunately, Christianity still has a large fundamentalist section that holds similar, unworkable views about "nonbelievers" . So, the problem is not strictly limited to Islam, but they have the most work to do and the most need for support.

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