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The atmosphere of Saturday's march was more Fourth of July meets Cinco de Mayo than cops in riot gear meet fist-pumping anarchists (like the 2004 protest against the Republican convention). The mile-long line of marchers featured hundreds of parents pushing toddlers in strollers, a man on stilts and a rainbow of flags; a visual reminder of the countries at least 11 million undocumented immigrants have fled escaping poverty and hopelessness -- Mexico, Honduras, Ecuador, El Salvador, the Dominican Republic and a dozen more.
Perhaps the optimism was due to the sheer exhilaration of coming together and the palpable possibility of legalization, which would untangle many of life's problems for immigrants constantly in fear of la migra. The tone of the rally seemed to signal a real moment of opportunity in America -- a moment of possibility.
In about a month of national activism, there have been dual motivations for the pro-immigrant demonstrations. The first was anger at a bill the House of Representatives passed in December that would change illegal immigration from a civil offense to a criminal felony and jail anyone who attempts to help undocumented immigrants, including priests, food bank staff or soup kitchen workers and the like. The bill also calls for the construction of a 700-mile wall at the U.S.-Mexico border.
The second motivator is hope; since the Senate picked up the ball on immigration reform last week, there has been growing support for bipartisan legislation initially put forth by John McCain and Ted Kennedy. This legislation proposes a path toward citizenship for undocumented workers, provided they pay a fine and back taxes, learn English and pass a criminal background check.
There is ample time for demonstrators to up the ante on the issue, as the full Senate moves closer to passing its version of immigration reform. If the Senate is able to approve an immigration bill, demonstrators will be sure to continue their call for compassionate immigration reform as congressmen attempt to reconcile the House and Senate legislation.
Aided by Spanish-language radio, unions and immigrant rights groups, undocumented immigrants have become increasingly organized and bold in their calls for legalization. They are getting support from far corners of the political landscape. Republicans, Democrats, Communists and progressives from Los Angeles and Houston to Denver, Phoenix and Chicago have rallied for legalization of undocumented immigrants. The weekend also saw demonstrations in Albuquerque, NM, Yakima County, Wash., and Newark, NJ. Even high school students, as well as many of their parents and principals, have joined the fight.
Some have called the demonstrations a backlash against the backlash. Others believe it is the beginning of an international populist uprising connected with the leftist movements of many Latin American nations. Whatever it is, it is gaining momentum across the United States, and what it needs now is support from a larger base of progressives, liberals and compassionate people everywhere. As one writer noted this weekend, "A half million Latinos marched in Los Angeles (and smaller numbers in other cities) in protest. So far, the U.S. left has observed it but has not joined it."
In the coming weeks, there will be plentiful opportunities to stand in solidarity with this nation's undocumented immigrants. Below is a short listing of demonstrations being planned across the nation. Please post information about any other rallies or marches being planned in your area.
- Sunday, April 9: Salt Lake City: "Dignity March" to the state capitol is scheduled for noon to 5 pm, starting and ending at the City-County Building in downtown Salt Lake City.
- Monday, April 10: April 10, the National Day of Action for Immigrant Justice will be the biggest day of demonstrations around the nation. The following cities have rallies in the planning stages: Houston; San Antonio; Austin, Texas; Dallas; St. Louis; Minneapolis; Detroit; Chicago; Pittsburgh; Philadelphia; Miami; Charlotte, N.C.; New Haven, Conn.; Danbury, Conn.; Hartford, Conn.; Birmingham, Ala.; New York; Boston; Milwaukee; Washington, D.C.; and many more. As of today, here are the cities that have confirmed a time and location: New York: "Full Rights for All Immigrants" at Battery Park, 3-6pm; Salt Lake City: "Unity Rally" at the City-County Building in downtown Salt Lake City, 4:30pm.
- Saturday, April 29: Los Angeles and New York rallies are being organized by the Progressive Labor Party, which is calling for a Communist revolution. More information can be found here.
If you have any information about other pro-immigrant rallies, please post it below in the Comments section, or email the author at marialuisa@alternet.org.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 3, 2006 12:32 AM
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Meanwhile, inside the Beltway, both parties are pandering to the illegals in order to curry favor with the fast growing Hispanic voter base. Both parties see the Hispanic vote as strategic to their future plans. 'W' has made it plain that his allies will oppose any bill that does not let the flood of low-wage migrants to continue. That despite knowing that Joe and Jane 6-Pack feel exactly the opposite.
Think the people inside the Beltway don't give a sh*t about you except on that one day you get to vote? This is exhibit 'A'. Meanwhile, both sides are scheming to minimize the power and effect of your vote, if it gets counted at all.
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Posted by: wli on Apr 3, 2006 2:29 AM
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The "nationalist," in actuality nativist, arguments in favor of ejecting illegal immigrants are playing into the hands of corporatist shills. If minimum wage and laws against companies hiring illegal immigrants below minimum wage were enforced for illegal immigrants, there would be no "competitive advantage" of illegal immigrants, nor any depression of wages resulting therefrom. A tax on the use of foreign labor would also go a long way toward reviving the domestic job market, particularly if it taxed corporations for the full difference between prevailing domestic wages for a job and whatever were paid in wages overseas or to illegal immigrants.
It's not possible to enact any useful policy with a far right-wing administration in power. Best would be to block any neo-bracero action they attempt to take until such time as one can arrange for minimum wage and background check laws to be enforced and for green cards to be handed out to all comers.
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Why the Federal Government Can't End Illegal Immigration
Illegal immigration into the United States is a highly profitable proposition for both employers and the US government, and it also benefits Mexico, which is the largest source country of undocumented immigrants into the US.
In Fall 2005, the US and Mexican governments are silently, and actively, enticing illegal immigrants to enter this country and to work illegally. Poverty-stricken immigrants respond to the financial enticements...and then are blamed by US citizenry for illegally being in the US.
The purpose of this 4-part article is to explain why the US federal government can't afford and doesn't soon plan to to end illegal immigration.
Part 1 - United States Borders Are Barely Enforced
Ten million illegal immigrants live in the US, according to estimates by academic and
government agencies, although Bear-Stearns investment firm analysts claim that the US
illegal immigrant population "may be as high as 20 million people."
About 75% of undocumented immigrants arrive across the US southern border with
Mexico, and hail from Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Colombia and other Central and
South American countries. The bulk...about 50% of all illegals....are Mexican-born people.
Time magazine stated in 2004 that illegal immigration accelerated under the Bush
Administration, with the US gaining 3 million additional illegal immigrant residents in
2004. A third of all illegal immigrants in the US live in California. Other states with large
illegal populations are, in descending order, Texas, New York, Illinois, Florida and Arizona.
After more than 100 years in existence, President Bush dissolved the US Immigration and
Naturalization Service (INS)in March 2003 and absorbed it into the new Homeland Security Department, along with FEMA and dozens of other federal agencies created to help
citizens and residents.
Until its dissolution, the INS had been part of the Justice Department since 1940, and
before that, part of the US Labor Department. After the September 11, 2001 tragedy, the
Bush Administration complained that the INS was insufficiently focused on deporting and
expelling illegal immigrants, and thus asked that it be transferred to Homeland Security.
The US Border Patrol is charged with the responsibility of enforcing illegal immigration
across US borders. Until 2003, the Border Patrol was part of the INS, but was also folded
into Homeland Security (as a separate agency from INS).
The massive US intelligence agencies overhaul passed by Congress and signed by
President Bush in January 2005 required Homeland Security to hire 10,000 more Border
Patrol agents, 2,000 per year starting immediately. The Border Patrol currently employs
9,500 agents who patrol 8,000 miles of border.
But Bush Administration ignored the law mandating the hiring of new agents. Said
Congressman John Culberson (R-TX) to CNN's Lou Dobbs, "Unfortunately, the White House ignored the law, and only asked us for 200 more agents. That's unacceptable." Culberson was referring to the federal budget for 2006 in which President Bush provided funds for only 210 new agents, not 2,000 additional agents.
Both houses of Congress worked together twice in 2005 to bypass the White House, and
hire 1,500 new Border Patrol agents......500 shy of that required by law, but far surpassing
the mere 210 planned by President Bush.
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Posted by: symcokid on Apr 3, 2006 6:03 AM
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As was mentioned on The Early Show this morning by an "EXPERT" about incarceration or deportation of Illegal Migrants, if that's a feasibility then BUSH and his staff should be able to ascertain the origin of Native Indians and ship them back too! After all there's only 1.8 million of them left between Canada and the U.S.
Maybe we can draft a Treaty with the Mexicans or give them their land back! All this country needs is more wars on more fronts.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 3, 2006 6:15 AM
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Here's hoping everything's ok with you. Really sorry to hear you lost that programming job to that H1B visa guy from India. But hey, every cloud has a silver lining. At least you know that you're doing your part to make America a truly multi-cultural Nirvana. Also sorry to hear that your son Joey won't be working that summer job this year with that lawn care company. It would really have helped out in your situtation. But just remember: those Guatemalan immigrants the company hired are part of the poor oppressed masses, and it is our duty to welcome them with open arms! And we all know that Joey is part of the pampered white lower middle-class.
Things have been going great for me at the college. I have been promoted from teaching Social Studies to that new professorship in multi-cultural and immigrant-advocacy studies. My wife Mary has a super job teaching English as a second language at the local Public School. The non-English speaking students have gone from zero a few years ago to almost 50% of the student body today, and they predict that it will be 80% in a few years--so you can see she will have lots of opportunities! She is using her spare time to take lessons in playing the Maraca and learning about Salsa dancing.
Well-gotta run. Hope the job thing works out ok, and that you'll be able to make that home mortgage payment next month!
Just a suggestion--I heard they are hiring computer programmers in Bangalore. You might want to check it out.
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P.S. Be sure to vote Dem. in '08!!"
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Posted by: sykotropix on Apr 3, 2006 6:24 AM
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I think the ideas that Mccain and Kennedy put forward are interesting ones. If there were a way of documenting everyone, giving them background checks, and being able to tax and backtax money that is owed, etc. I think that our system would be in a much better place than it is now. But in no way shape or form do I believe that someone breaking the law should be allowed to continue breaking the law and then demand more rights as citizens, though they are not citizens at all. I would never wander into another country in an illegal manner and then have the gall to demand more rights, when I didnt have the time to use the proper, legal channels of entering the country in the first place.
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Posted by: sln70 on Apr 3, 2006 6:26 AM
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I know it is a natural reaction for MANY to look at the illegals and blame them. And they did break the law, and I have no sympathy for that. But.. as with everything... you have to find the root of the problem.
The root of the problem is that other law-breakers are benefiting from this situation. Those law-breakers are the people and corporations who hire illegals to work for wages and conditions the 'average american' wouldn't accept. And no one SHOULD accept them.
If corporations didn't get such an obvious winfall from illegal immigration, then these same corporations wouldn't have lobbyists asking the government to encourage illegal immigration. In other words, the real power in the US (and the world, likely) would change their tune.
The secret is to get to the corporations.. the secret is to change what works for *them.* The migrants are pawns - don't get racist about it.
It's class warfare. Nothing to do with race.
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Posted by: numen on Apr 3, 2006 6:27 AM
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Who is paying for all this?
And who is paying Alternet for this endless stream of articles promoting the Bush Cheap Labor amnesty program?
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html
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Posted by: sausage on Apr 3, 2006 7:23 AM
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In a story by reporter Jane Norman, in The Sunday Des Moines Register, King shares some of his thoughts on the immigration "problem":"... such as a "fertility plan" for the nation to encourage people to have more children and reduce the need for imported labor(all emphasis added).
"He rejects the argument that Americans won't do the work that undocumented immigrants do. The 'dirtiest work' imaginable, he says, is as a member of the military hunting insurgents in Iraq, for which Americans get paid roughly $8 an hour. 'There are 77 million people in America who are not in the workforce, and we could hire from that universe,' he says.
"He acknowledges that his advocacy may bring him into deep conflict with his [Catholic] church, but he says he has to proceed on his path. 'How can we give people statutory protection for assisting criminals?' he asks."
Now here's the rub about this non-elitist, American loving congressman from western Iowa, he owns a construction company. A non-union construction company. And according to figures from the Pew Hispanic Center 14% of all illegal immigrants are employed in the construction industry. No one knows if Congressman King has knowingly or not ever hired undocumented workers, but being a good businessman he'll never tell.
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Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 3, 2006 7:55 AM
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before he was allowed to enter the US, he was checked for infectious diseases. if he had any, he was sent back to where he came from, because they didn't want disease coming into this country.
now, with people making their way into america, TB has been on the rise for a little over a decade now.
disease control in of itself is a reason to stop illegal immigration. we aren't saying you can't live here, we aren't saying we are even better than anyone else. there are just problems here that aren't helped with illegal immigration.
just as I cannot graduate HS without getting my diploma, I don't think illegals should be coming here without at least using their brain on the smartest way to get here. I have a dear friend from Equador who I think is just the cutest thing. she has been studying English several years now. She will be getting her US citizenship this year. I have another friend who has been here several years from bosnia. He recieved his citizenship last year. When you talk to them about illegals, they get quite upset. Mainly, because they went through this process of becoming citizens, they did it the hard way, and the right way. They did it for their children, and themselves.
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"Si, Se Puede, With the Help of Big Business, Bush, The Church, and Alternet!"
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Posted by: metahope on Apr 3, 2006 10:37 AM
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You should be working to protect the economic security of law abiding American citizens! You should be working to stop the unfair labor competition from illegal immigrants!
Illegal immigrant scabs are destroying unions in Brooklyn, NY and all over the United States. They entice employers to hire them over Americans because of their low personal value, they are cheaper employees than Americans. They work hard at undermining our economic security they don’t deserve our largesse.
They send their gains back to foreign lands instead of reinvesting in our country and paying taxes. They are lower than saboteurs, they are infestations.
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Posted by: pomes on Apr 3, 2006 11:38 AM
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Those protestors who were legal residents (the vast majority I'm sure, I wouldn't put myself in a situation where I could be arrested arbitrarily when the end result of that arrest is getting deported) should march that protest straight into the ballot boxes, and GET THE KIND OF CONGRESS that's going to pass the kind of legislation that they want. The people organizing these protests need to follow it up with an election drive later this year. Even though I don't totally support the issue, chances are that kind of Congress will make some of the other changes this country needs to have made.
I have a fairly right-wing stance on immigration. I want the same result that hard-line Republicans do (no illegal immigration, no "guest workers", no turning a blind eye to exploitation, no matter WHAT it does to the price of our tomatoes), though I believe the harsh punishments should come down on the employers who are actually getting fat and rich off cheating, not the illegal immigrants who are victims of exploitation no matter what side of the border they are on.
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Posted by: igancedo on Apr 3, 2006 12:36 PM
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It is just that I misread the article’s title because the accent carries meaning in Spanish. Microsoft knows that and they make sure they write: Sí, estoy de acuerdo instead of Si estoy de acuerdo in the Spanish version of the EULA for their programs.
We could still discuss whether the comma is absolutely necessary or whether ¡Sí se puede! is also correct and could be translated as “Of course we can!”, but that would be nitpicking.
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Posted by: jennherne on Apr 3, 2006 12:39 PM
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Coporate US stole rescources from our southern neighbors and enforced poverty there. Now they want to come here but all us WASPS can't stand their brown skins so we build barriers, legal and physical to keep them out.
That's real justice and compassion!
In case some of you right wing nimrods don't understand this is
meant to be satire.
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Posted by: progressivevoice on Apr 3, 2006 1:00 PM
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Do we want to become just another third world nation of haves and have nots? That's where we are headed my friends. Democracy works best when there is a strong middle class. People working for slave wages are too busy and exhausted trying to survive to be very active in the political system -- that's why so few poor people vote.
I've been to third world countries. They are full of corruption and the people are mostly powerless. I don't want the United States to turn into Mexico. If that is Xenophobia, so be it. Call me a Xenophobe.
We need to enforce the laws we have on the books now. If the corporations and small businesses felt the financial heat, they would stop hiring illegals and eventually most of the illegals would go home.
As for the doing jobs Americans won't do. That's not true for this American. At 53 years old, I'm doing some of those jobs now to make ends meet after I lost my high tech job in 2001. I'd love to have a customer service job, but most of them have gone to India and here in California, I'm at a disavantage because I don't speak Spanish.
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"Mr. Velasquez we are going to need your permanent address so we can mail you some payment vouchers". Interpreter turns to Mr. Velasquez and gives him the news. Mr Velazquez nods his head and gives the address of his brother-in-law who has no idea he is even in country. "Now we are going to need the name of your current or most recent employer so we can track him or her down to levy a stiff fine against them". Again with the interpretor - Mr. Velasquez nods his head again but wonders how he will retain his job after ratting out his boss . . . This is so ridiculous as to be funny.
Imagine the billions and billions (we don't have) of dollars it will cost to buy those fancy Dodge Durangos and paint them a non-threatening color of yellow and cross train thousands of cops to be part-time bounty hunters while taking Farsi and Spanish at night school. Shit what am I thinking - we'll just contract Halliburton or Blackwater Security to do it with no-bid contracts in some smokey back room at 3 A.M. I won't even go into the potential for further big brotherisms with another branch of law enforcement cruising the streets. Yes by all means let's create the Federal Bureau of Immigrant Certification and Legalization or some such bullshit. This country is doomed!
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Posted by: freeda on Apr 3, 2006 4:13 PM
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I've decided that one of the things I can do now is to hang an American flag outside my door and display one on my vehicle. I'm also calling and writing as many folks in congress as often as I can and reminding them that we have lives and families that we need to look after and that relegating American workers to the dustbin on this just ain't gonna work.
Make yourselves visible & keep yourselves proud!
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Aside from that. Here is my two cents. I find it pathetic to even think about crimininalizing or deporting 11-12 million people from this country. The vast majority of this people are folks that want to provide for their families and they are not criminals. Here's a comment, and in posting a reply or pondering it, be truthful to yourself; I don't really care as to what your reply may be, only as to what you see inside yourself. If these Mexicans, Ecuadorians, Hondurans, were black (I don't believe in this African-American label; in Latin America, such distinctions are not made) a long time ago they would have been deported. Same thing as what's going on right now, only it would have been done from the moment there were more than 20,000 of them "illegals". If they were white, we of course would not be debating the issue, we would have accomodated them. If they were Asian same as the browns, we would be doing exactly what we are doing right now, looking for a way to get them out.
What's particularly funny to me is that the racists and xenophones that are shouting the loudest are the ones that beat their chests on Sundays or kneel on the pews. I wonder if they truly feel that this is what God would want. I doubt it.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Apr 3, 2006 4:37 PM
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If it weren't for F. James Sensenbrenner, that GOPer from Wisconsin, who proposed HR 4437, the bill which would criminalize people's goodness to help those less fortunate, has galvanized opinion on both sides.
But what I would like to see is our government enact a policy where it would honor the words on the Statue of Liberty-or is that expression outdated?
We should find a way to make them feel welcomed without backlash. Most of them want work. It gives them a sense of contributing to the new society and makes them feel proud to be a member of the human race.
But the hurdles some face is crossing an unforgiving Sonoran Desert with little accomodations and facing the elements and dodging human predators-and deadly desert animals. Immigrants do not recognize borders when seeking a better life. Borders are political and you cannot see a boundary from space.
How can we help the immigrant attain a better life? How can we make someone in this world that regardless of background, they are weclomed here.
"There was a time when strangers were welcomed here. Music would play-" so says Neil Sadaka's "The Immigrant."
Have Americans become "compassion fatigue(d)?" Have we stopped caring? Have we stopped trying? Why do we want to demonize those who are fleeing poverty, racism, (religious and political) persecution?
Those people on the Mayflower weren't taking a Cunard cruise on the Atlantic.
But Americans need to look at themselves and point the finger why we're mad at immigrants-we did it to ourselves. Our hatred, ignorance, institutionalized racism, arrogance, pride, egoism are all symptoms of anti-immigrant behavior. We seem to find the cure through more draconian legislature in laws that divide and conquer instead of helping people. Caucasian, Asian and Black families aren't having as many children as in previous generations and we must face it that the USA's future will be a predominantly Latino one.
We are a nation of immigrants. La Raza is here to stay.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 3, 2006 8:09 PM
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Yours in lower-wages-for-everyone (whoops!---I meant to say "happy multi-culturalarity")---
Norman
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Yours in lower-wages-for-everyone (whoops!---I meant to say "happy multi-culturalarity")---
Norman
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 3, 2006 8:20 PM
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It's just that I'm SOOO EXCITED about all these illegal immigrants finally coming out of the woodwork! They have such wonderful and colorful customs---and most of all I have to agree with my brother who's on the COC board says: they are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP!!!
Him and I can both find something to agree on with this!
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I'm sure he's anxiously awaiting the outcome...
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OK, Congress--start drawing up the bill.
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Big business loves illegal immigrants. These workers keep wages depressed for the rest of us and keep us in our places should we have the temerity to demand things that smack of socialism, such as better wages and benefits.
Years ago, my husband worked at a business where, should an employee feel the need to complain about working conditions, the supervisor would point at the filing cabinet and say "If you don't like it, I have a stack of applications this thick for your job", while holding his thumb and forefinger two inches apart. The illegal immigrant situation puts me in mind of this scenario. It gives business (another) unfair advantage over the workers.
And, no, I am not worried about an illegal taking my job. I work in the medical field in a highly skilled technical position that takes years of training. My sympathies lie with the unskilled laborers. These people are the ones who are quickly losing any chance for a decent life as their wages erode and their jobs are given to illegals who are happy to work for slave wages.
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"...McCain responded by saying immigrants were taking jobs nobody else wanted. He offered anybody in the crowd $50 an hour to pick lettuce in Arizona.
Shouts of protest rose from the crowd, with some accepting McCain's job offer.
'I'll take it!' one man shouted.
McCain insisted none of them would do such menial labor for a complete season. 'You can't do it, my friends.'
Some in the crowd said they didn't appreciate McCain questioning their work ethic.
'I was impressed with his comedy routine and ability to tap dance without music. But I was impressed with nothing else about him," said John Wasniewski of Milwaukee. 'He's supposed to be Mr. Straight Talk?'
...McCain's mind was still on the labor activists and their prickly reception.
"I can't tell you how much fun that was," he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/04/
mccain.speech.ap/index.html
Yeah, fun. So long, Mr. Smith! Hello, Dittohead.
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Read This
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For those of you who were absent the day American history was taught
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Meanwhile, inside the Beltway, both parties are pandering to the illegals in order to curry favor with the fast growing Hispanic voter base. Both parties see the Hispanic vote as strategic to their future plans. 'W' has made it plain that his allies will oppose any bill that does not let the flood of low-wage migrants to continue. That despite knowing that Joe and Jane 6-Pack feel exactly the opposite.
Think the people inside the Beltway don't give a sh*t about you except on that one day you get to vote? This is exhibit 'A'. Meanwhile, both sides are scheming to minimize the power and effect of your vote, if it gets counted at all.
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The "nationalist," in actuality nativist, arguments in favor of ejecting illegal immigrants are playing into the hands of corporatist shills. If minimum wage and laws against companies hiring illegal immigrants below minimum wage were enforced for illegal immigrants, there would be no "competitive advantage" of illegal immigrants, nor any depression of wages resulting therefrom. A tax on the use of foreign labor would also go a long way toward reviving the domestic job market, particularly if it taxed corporations for the full difference between prevailing domestic wages for a job and whatever were paid in wages overseas or to illegal immigrants.
It's not possible to enact any useful policy with a far right-wing administration in power. Best would be to block any neo-bracero action they attempt to take until such time as one can arrange for minimum wage and background check laws to be enforced and for green cards to be handed out to all comers.
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Why the Federal Government Can't End Illegal Immigration
Illegal immigration into the United States is a highly profitable proposition for both employers and the US government, and it also benefits Mexico, which is the largest source country of undocumented immigrants into the US.
In Fall 2005, the US and Mexican governments are silently, and actively, enticing illegal immigrants to enter this country and to work illegally. Poverty-stricken immigrants respond to the financial enticements...and then are blamed by US citizenry for illegally being in the US.
The purpose of this 4-part article is to explain why the US federal government can't afford and doesn't soon plan to to end illegal immigration.
Part 1 - United States Borders Are Barely Enforced
Ten million illegal immigrants live in the US, according to estimates by academic and
government agencies, although Bear-Stearns investment firm analysts claim that the US
illegal immigrant population "may be as high as 20 million people."
About 75% of undocumented immigrants arrive across the US southern border with
Mexico, and hail from Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Colombia and other Central and
South American countries. The bulk...about 50% of all illegals....are Mexican-born people.
Time magazine stated in 2004 that illegal immigration accelerated under the Bush
Administration, with the US gaining 3 million additional illegal immigrant residents in
2004. A third of all illegal immigrants in the US live in California. Other states with large
illegal populations are, in descending order, Texas, New York, Illinois, Florida and Arizona.
After more than 100 years in existence, President Bush dissolved the US Immigration and
Naturalization Service (INS)in March 2003 and absorbed it into the new Homeland Security Department, along with FEMA and dozens of other federal agencies created to help
citizens and residents.
Until its dissolution, the INS had been part of the Justice Department since 1940, and
before that, part of the US Labor Department. After the September 11, 2001 tragedy, the
Bush Administration complained that the INS was insufficiently focused on deporting and
expelling illegal immigrants, and thus asked that it be transferred to Homeland Security.
The US Border Patrol is charged with the responsibility of enforcing illegal immigration
across US borders. Until 2003, the Border Patrol was part of the INS, but was also folded
into Homeland Security (as a separate agency from INS).
The massive US intelligence agencies overhaul passed by Congress and signed by
President Bush in January 2005 required Homeland Security to hire 10,000 more Border
Patrol agents, 2,000 per year starting immediately. The Border Patrol currently employs
9,500 agents who patrol 8,000 miles of border.
But Bush Administration ignored the law mandating the hiring of new agents. Said
Congressman John Culberson (R-TX) to CNN's Lou Dobbs, "Unfortunately, the White House ignored the law, and only asked us for 200 more agents. That's unacceptable." Culberson was referring to the federal budget for 2006 in which President Bush provided funds for only 210 new agents, not 2,000 additional agents.
Both houses of Congress worked together twice in 2005 to bypass the White House, and
hire 1,500 new Border Patrol agents......500 shy of that required by law, but far surpassing
the mere 210 planned by President Bush.
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Posted by: symcokid on Apr 3, 2006 6:03 AM
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As was mentioned on The Early Show this morning by an "EXPERT" about incarceration or deportation of Illegal Migrants, if that's a feasibility then BUSH and his staff should be able to ascertain the origin of Native Indians and ship them back too! After all there's only 1.8 million of them left between Canada and the U.S.
Maybe we can draft a Treaty with the Mexicans or give them their land back! All this country needs is more wars on more fronts.
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Here's hoping everything's ok with you. Really sorry to hear you lost that programming job to that H1B visa guy from India. But hey, every cloud has a silver lining. At least you know that you're doing your part to make America a truly multi-cultural Nirvana. Also sorry to hear that your son Joey won't be working that summer job this year with that lawn care company. It would really have helped out in your situtation. But just remember: those Guatemalan immigrants the company hired are part of the poor oppressed masses, and it is our duty to welcome them with open arms! And we all know that Joey is part of the pampered white lower middle-class.
Things have been going great for me at the college. I have been promoted from teaching Social Studies to that new professorship in multi-cultural and immigrant-advocacy studies. My wife Mary has a super job teaching English as a second language at the local Public School. The non-English speaking students have gone from zero a few years ago to almost 50% of the student body today, and they predict that it will be 80% in a few years--so you can see she will have lots of opportunities! She is using her spare time to take lessons in playing the Maraca and learning about Salsa dancing.
Well-gotta run. Hope the job thing works out ok, and that you'll be able to make that home mortgage payment next month!
Just a suggestion--I heard they are hiring computer programmers in Bangalore. You might want to check it out.
Your Friend,
Norman
P.S. Be sure to vote Dem. in '08!!"
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I think the ideas that Mccain and Kennedy put forward are interesting ones. If there were a way of documenting everyone, giving them background checks, and being able to tax and backtax money that is owed, etc. I think that our system would be in a much better place than it is now. But in no way shape or form do I believe that someone breaking the law should be allowed to continue breaking the law and then demand more rights as citizens, though they are not citizens at all. I would never wander into another country in an illegal manner and then have the gall to demand more rights, when I didnt have the time to use the proper, legal channels of entering the country in the first place.
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I know it is a natural reaction for MANY to look at the illegals and blame them. And they did break the law, and I have no sympathy for that. But.. as with everything... you have to find the root of the problem.
The root of the problem is that other law-breakers are benefiting from this situation. Those law-breakers are the people and corporations who hire illegals to work for wages and conditions the 'average american' wouldn't accept. And no one SHOULD accept them.
If corporations didn't get such an obvious winfall from illegal immigration, then these same corporations wouldn't have lobbyists asking the government to encourage illegal immigration. In other words, the real power in the US (and the world, likely) would change their tune.
The secret is to get to the corporations.. the secret is to change what works for *them.* The migrants are pawns - don't get racist about it.
It's class warfare. Nothing to do with race.
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Who is paying for all this?
And who is paying Alternet for this endless stream of articles promoting the Bush Cheap Labor amnesty program?
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html
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In a story by reporter Jane Norman, in The Sunday Des Moines Register, King shares some of his thoughts on the immigration "problem":"... such as a "fertility plan" for the nation to encourage people to have more children and reduce the need for imported labor(all emphasis added).
"He rejects the argument that Americans won't do the work that undocumented immigrants do. The 'dirtiest work' imaginable, he says, is as a member of the military hunting insurgents in Iraq, for which Americans get paid roughly $8 an hour. 'There are 77 million people in America who are not in the workforce, and we could hire from that universe,' he says.
"He acknowledges that his advocacy may bring him into deep conflict with his [Catholic] church, but he says he has to proceed on his path. 'How can we give people statutory protection for assisting criminals?' he asks."
Now here's the rub about this non-elitist, American loving congressman from western Iowa, he owns a construction company. A non-union construction company. And according to figures from the Pew Hispanic Center 14% of all illegal immigrants are employed in the construction industry. No one knows if Congressman King has knowingly or not ever hired undocumented workers, but being a good businessman he'll never tell.
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Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 3, 2006 7:55 AM
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before he was allowed to enter the US, he was checked for infectious diseases. if he had any, he was sent back to where he came from, because they didn't want disease coming into this country.
now, with people making their way into america, TB has been on the rise for a little over a decade now.
disease control in of itself is a reason to stop illegal immigration. we aren't saying you can't live here, we aren't saying we are even better than anyone else. there are just problems here that aren't helped with illegal immigration.
just as I cannot graduate HS without getting my diploma, I don't think illegals should be coming here without at least using their brain on the smartest way to get here. I have a dear friend from Equador who I think is just the cutest thing. she has been studying English several years now. She will be getting her US citizenship this year. I have another friend who has been here several years from bosnia. He recieved his citizenship last year. When you talk to them about illegals, they get quite upset. Mainly, because they went through this process of becoming citizens, they did it the hard way, and the right way. They did it for their children, and themselves.
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"Si, Se Puede, With the Help of Big Business, Bush, The Church, and Alternet!"
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You should be working to protect the economic security of law abiding American citizens! You should be working to stop the unfair labor competition from illegal immigrants!
Illegal immigrant scabs are destroying unions in Brooklyn, NY and all over the United States. They entice employers to hire them over Americans because of their low personal value, they are cheaper employees than Americans. They work hard at undermining our economic security they don’t deserve our largesse.
They send their gains back to foreign lands instead of reinvesting in our country and paying taxes. They are lower than saboteurs, they are infestations.
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Those protestors who were legal residents (the vast majority I'm sure, I wouldn't put myself in a situation where I could be arrested arbitrarily when the end result of that arrest is getting deported) should march that protest straight into the ballot boxes, and GET THE KIND OF CONGRESS that's going to pass the kind of legislation that they want. The people organizing these protests need to follow it up with an election drive later this year. Even though I don't totally support the issue, chances are that kind of Congress will make some of the other changes this country needs to have made.
I have a fairly right-wing stance on immigration. I want the same result that hard-line Republicans do (no illegal immigration, no "guest workers", no turning a blind eye to exploitation, no matter WHAT it does to the price of our tomatoes), though I believe the harsh punishments should come down on the employers who are actually getting fat and rich off cheating, not the illegal immigrants who are victims of exploitation no matter what side of the border they are on.
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It is just that I misread the article’s title because the accent carries meaning in Spanish. Microsoft knows that and they make sure they write: Sí, estoy de acuerdo instead of Si estoy de acuerdo in the Spanish version of the EULA for their programs.
We could still discuss whether the comma is absolutely necessary or whether ¡Sí se puede! is also correct and could be translated as “Of course we can!”, but that would be nitpicking.
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Posted by: jennherne on Apr 3, 2006 12:39 PM
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Coporate US stole rescources from our southern neighbors and enforced poverty there. Now they want to come here but all us WASPS can't stand their brown skins so we build barriers, legal and physical to keep them out.
That's real justice and compassion!
In case some of you right wing nimrods don't understand this is
meant to be satire.
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Posted by: progressivevoice on Apr 3, 2006 1:00 PM
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Do we want to become just another third world nation of haves and have nots? That's where we are headed my friends. Democracy works best when there is a strong middle class. People working for slave wages are too busy and exhausted trying to survive to be very active in the political system -- that's why so few poor people vote.
I've been to third world countries. They are full of corruption and the people are mostly powerless. I don't want the United States to turn into Mexico. If that is Xenophobia, so be it. Call me a Xenophobe.
We need to enforce the laws we have on the books now. If the corporations and small businesses felt the financial heat, they would stop hiring illegals and eventually most of the illegals would go home.
As for the doing jobs Americans won't do. That's not true for this American. At 53 years old, I'm doing some of those jobs now to make ends meet after I lost my high tech job in 2001. I'd love to have a customer service job, but most of them have gone to India and here in California, I'm at a disavantage because I don't speak Spanish.
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"Mr. Velasquez we are going to need your permanent address so we can mail you some payment vouchers". Interpreter turns to Mr. Velasquez and gives him the news. Mr Velazquez nods his head and gives the address of his brother-in-law who has no idea he is even in country. "Now we are going to need the name of your current or most recent employer so we can track him or her down to levy a stiff fine against them". Again with the interpretor - Mr. Velasquez nods his head again but wonders how he will retain his job after ratting out his boss . . . This is so ridiculous as to be funny.
Imagine the billions and billions (we don't have) of dollars it will cost to buy those fancy Dodge Durangos and paint them a non-threatening color of yellow and cross train thousands of cops to be part-time bounty hunters while taking Farsi and Spanish at night school. Shit what am I thinking - we'll just contract Halliburton or Blackwater Security to do it with no-bid contracts in some smokey back room at 3 A.M. I won't even go into the potential for further big brotherisms with another branch of law enforcement cruising the streets. Yes by all means let's create the Federal Bureau of Immigrant Certification and Legalization or some such bullshit. This country is doomed!
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Posted by: freeda on Apr 3, 2006 4:13 PM
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I've decided that one of the things I can do now is to hang an American flag outside my door and display one on my vehicle. I'm also calling and writing as many folks in congress as often as I can and reminding them that we have lives and families that we need to look after and that relegating American workers to the dustbin on this just ain't gonna work.
Make yourselves visible & keep yourselves proud!
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Aside from that. Here is my two cents. I find it pathetic to even think about crimininalizing or deporting 11-12 million people from this country. The vast majority of this people are folks that want to provide for their families and they are not criminals. Here's a comment, and in posting a reply or pondering it, be truthful to yourself; I don't really care as to what your reply may be, only as to what you see inside yourself. If these Mexicans, Ecuadorians, Hondurans, were black (I don't believe in this African-American label; in Latin America, such distinctions are not made) a long time ago they would have been deported. Same thing as what's going on right now, only it would have been done from the moment there were more than 20,000 of them "illegals". If they were white, we of course would not be debating the issue, we would have accomodated them. If they were Asian same as the browns, we would be doing exactly what we are doing right now, looking for a way to get them out.
What's particularly funny to me is that the racists and xenophones that are shouting the loudest are the ones that beat their chests on Sundays or kneel on the pews. I wonder if they truly feel that this is what God would want. I doubt it.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Apr 3, 2006 4:37 PM
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If it weren't for F. James Sensenbrenner, that GOPer from Wisconsin, who proposed HR 4437, the bill which would criminalize people's goodness to help those less fortunate, has galvanized opinion on both sides.
But what I would like to see is our government enact a policy where it would honor the words on the Statue of Liberty-or is that expression outdated?
We should find a way to make them feel welcomed without backlash. Most of them want work. It gives them a sense of contributing to the new society and makes them feel proud to be a member of the human race.
But the hurdles some face is crossing an unforgiving Sonoran Desert with little accomodations and facing the elements and dodging human predators-and deadly desert animals. Immigrants do not recognize borders when seeking a better life. Borders are political and you cannot see a boundary from space.
How can we help the immigrant attain a better life? How can we make someone in this world that regardless of background, they are weclomed here.
"There was a time when strangers were welcomed here. Music would play-" so says Neil Sadaka's "The Immigrant."
Have Americans become "compassion fatigue(d)?" Have we stopped caring? Have we stopped trying? Why do we want to demonize those who are fleeing poverty, racism, (religious and political) persecution?
Those people on the Mayflower weren't taking a Cunard cruise on the Atlantic.
But Americans need to look at themselves and point the finger why we're mad at immigrants-we did it to ourselves. Our hatred, ignorance, institutionalized racism, arrogance, pride, egoism are all symptoms of anti-immigrant behavior. We seem to find the cure through more draconian legislature in laws that divide and conquer instead of helping people. Caucasian, Asian and Black families aren't having as many children as in previous generations and we must face it that the USA's future will be a predominantly Latino one.
We are a nation of immigrants. La Raza is here to stay.
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Yours in lower-wages-for-everyone (whoops!---I meant to say "happy multi-culturalarity")---
Norman
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Yours in lower-wages-for-everyone (whoops!---I meant to say "happy multi-culturalarity")---
Norman
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It's just that I'm SOOO EXCITED about all these illegal immigrants finally coming out of the woodwork! They have such wonderful and colorful customs---and most of all I have to agree with my brother who's on the COC board says: they are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP!!!
Him and I can both find something to agree on with this!
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I'm sure he's anxiously awaiting the outcome...
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OK, Congress--start drawing up the bill.
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Big business loves illegal immigrants. These workers keep wages depressed for the rest of us and keep us in our places should we have the temerity to demand things that smack of socialism, such as better wages and benefits.
Years ago, my husband worked at a business where, should an employee feel the need to complain about working conditions, the supervisor would point at the filing cabinet and say "If you don't like it, I have a stack of applications this thick for your job", while holding his thumb and forefinger two inches apart. The illegal immigrant situation puts me in mind of this scenario. It gives business (another) unfair advantage over the workers.
And, no, I am not worried about an illegal taking my job. I work in the medical field in a highly skilled technical position that takes years of training. My sympathies lie with the unskilled laborers. These people are the ones who are quickly losing any chance for a decent life as their wages erode and their jobs are given to illegals who are happy to work for slave wages.
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"...McCain responded by saying immigrants were taking jobs nobody else wanted. He offered anybody in the crowd $50 an hour to pick lettuce in Arizona.
Shouts of protest rose from the crowd, with some accepting McCain's job offer.
'I'll take it!' one man shouted.
McCain insisted none of them would do such menial labor for a complete season. 'You can't do it, my friends.'
Some in the crowd said they didn't appreciate McCain questioning their work ethic.
'I was impressed with his comedy routine and ability to tap dance without music. But I was impressed with nothing else about him," said John Wasniewski of Milwaukee. 'He's supposed to be Mr. Straight Talk?'
...McCain's mind was still on the labor activists and their prickly reception.
"I can't tell you how much fun that was," he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/04/
mccain.speech.ap/index.html
Yeah, fun. So long, Mr. Smith! Hello, Dittohead.
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Read This
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For those of you who were absent the day American history was taught
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