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Throwing Stones at Venezuela

By Onnesha Roychoudhuri, AlterNet. Posted April 1, 2006.


U.S. criticism of Hugo Chavez's politics only serves to highlight the weakness of our democracy at home.

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It's certainly no surprise. Even over a year ago, journalists were remarking at the "left turn" that so many Latin American countries were making. Of late, however, we only hear about Hugo Chavez and Venezuela. The South American country has taken the place of Cuba as the new whipping boy of alternative political models. But the targeted arguments -- coming mainly from the United States -- that depict Chavez as a tyrannical despot do little more than make the United States look the defensive paranoid for so mischaracterizing Venezuela's politics.

From Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to Pat Robertson, absurd public comparisons of President Hugo Chavez to Hitler and calls for assassination, it's clear that U.S. public figures love to vilify Chavez. The defamations have now been firmly established in mainstream politics -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice continues to allege that Venezuela poses the greatest threat to Latin America. Why? Rice accuses Chavez of leading a "Latin brand of populism that has taken countries down the drain."

AlterNet spoke to Bernardo Alvarez, Venezuela's ambassador to the United States, during his recent trip through California to meet with civil society groups and Latino leaders. When asked why he thought Chavez and Venezuela were so vilified, Alvarez stated, "For the first time, people are taking seriously that the major problems in the world are poverty and social exclusion -- not terrorism. These allegations are simply to avoid discussing these true problems; they are an attempt to undermine and divert from true economic development."

Whether or not this is the true motivation behind this administration's reluctance to engage in dialogue is up for debate. One thing, however, is clear: The press has spent far more energy exploring largely unsubstantiated allegations of fraud and corruption targeting Chavez than exploring the reality of his agenda.

After getting the obligatory controversial questions out of the way -- is Chavez planning to run for president in 2013? Are the United States and Venezuela too ideologically different to have meaningful discussions? What do you say to the allegations that Venezuela is becoming a dictatorship akin to Castro's Cuba? -- a common thread emerged in Alvarez's oft-repeated answers. Strung together, it goes something like this:

Chavez is not an accident. His election expresses a new awakening of people and participation. Chavez and Venezuela are not an anomaly in an otherwise "normal" world. We're talking about the entire hemisphere, here. These are societies trying to find alternative ways of dealing with the same problems. It is better that they understand what is happening in Venezuela as part of a broader process.

Alvarez is obviously quite good at responding to questions that start with "How do you respond to the allegations that." He has learned to (sometimes subtly, sometimes blatantly) work in details of Chavez's agenda amidst these usual suspect questions. Without asking, I learned that Chavez has extended health care to 10 million Venezuelans, defeated illiteracy in two years, given three million Venezuelans ID cards so that they can access social programs and vote, and worked to rebuild oil refineries and guarantee security of supply and accessible prices.

Members of the media, trying to substantiate the obsessive fixation on Chavez-as-tyrant, have let the wild accusations frame our dialogue about Venezuela. You won't read much about Chavez's focus on the eradication of poverty -- extended even to the United States through the heating oil program that is bringing over 40 million gallons of discounted and free oil to low-income Americans in eight states. Rather, you'll get an earful of the Texas congressman Joe Barton seeking an investigation into the program. You have to read academic publications like Political Affairs Magazine to get to the irony behind the facts:


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You Go, Hugo!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 1, 2006 2:09 AM   
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If journalists are surprised at the leftward turn Latin America has made of late, imagine their shock and awe when the US soon turns down the very same road. The alarm clocks are ringing all over the country. Americans are starting to awaken from the right wing coma they've been sleeping under since they stupidly sent a brain-dead, failed B movie actor by the name of Ronald Reagan to the White House twenty-five years ago. The right wing/Neo-con agenda has never been more transparent. The base of our socio-economoic infrastructure has been picked apart, bit by bit, slowly but surely by these hideous, murderous bastards for many years and it's all about to come crashing down. The middle class which became the dominant voice of this country's political landscape as the result of Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal is about to vanish in the night. Which begs the question: Who is the real enemy of the American people; Hugo Chavez or a corrupt, hideous, half-witted dirt bag named George W. Bush? Who are we, as "small d democrats" supposed to take seriously: a man who is using his country's wealth to better the lot of the poor not only in his own country but abroad - or a proven iside trader like Bush? Hell, this is an easier call than I thought it would be!

An administration that stole two elections (Admit it! Every exit poll had Kerry winning Ohio.) has no buisness lecturing any other Head of State as to the validity of his or her democratic values. Condi Rice, the personification of Malcom X's fabled "House Nigger", looks absolutely ridiculous denouncing Hugo Chavez when one takes into consideration the undeniable reality that the Bush administration would not even be in power were it not for the fact that 57,000 African Americans were illegally removed from the voter rolls in the state of Florida in 2000 by Jeb Bush and everyone's favorite political call girl, Katherine Harris.

Really, the whole thing would be just too silly for words were it the proposed movie script for some dark comedy about political corruption and diplomatic incompetence. But it's not a script and it's not a comedy - On second thought, in the realm of unintentional humor George Bush is the King of Comedy - but in terms of the real damage that has been done to our country: It isn't funny. Not at all.

The November mid-term elections are only seven months away. We've got to take our country back before it's too late. We've almost arrived at the point of no return.

Pray for peace

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
tomdegan@frontiernet.net

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» RE: You Go, Hugo! Posted by: mikethomasfioh
» RE: You Go, Hugo! Posted by: symcokid
» RE: You Go, Hugo! Posted by: Lincoln fan
» Oh, Yes!! Posted by: chasaturn
» RE: You Go, Hugo! Posted by: rkewen
» RE: You Go, Hugo! Posted by: dangerouslysane
» You're on a roll, Tom! Posted by: WhatNow?
» RE: You're on a roll, Tom! Posted by: petrovsky
» RE: You're on a roll, Tom! Posted by: Tom Degan
I love that Chavez gives Bush "the finger". LOL
Posted by: Prophit on Apr 1, 2006 4:01 AM   
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That alone makes him a ok in my book. There are so few men left anymore with integity and the courage to stand in it that its like a true breath of fresh air to see such a public servant. Wish we had some here in our country.

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Some Facts
Posted by: AlienSlave on Apr 1, 2006 5:41 AM   
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The facts on the ground are truthful that elected President Hugo Chavez has been a little brutal in dealing with people and protesters. But half facts they are, ask your self who these people are that are being brutalized and you find out that they are the major oil companies of the world that have been required to pay more National taxes to Venezuela per barrel of oil. Some are colonial despots removed from power for corruption and plundering the National treasury. As to the suppression of street demonstrators they are not Venezuelan nationals they are imported CIA assets trained in inciting Latin American crowds to riot. (Just happened to be that Venezuelan people are content with their path in nation building) So just stop and listen to the voices screaming the loudest about abuse and you’ll find the real face of the disenfranchised.

On a different note; I noticed a clear image this week What is the difference between President Bush, President Chavez and President Mahmud Ahmadinejad of Iran? Chavez and Ahmadinejad where see walking in the midst of huge crowds of happy people WITH OUT an army of bodyguards, while Bush was seen encircled by a huge army of unsmiling bodyguards with only a few selected patriots out on the fringes a clear image of two types of democracy.
AlienSlave

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» RE: Some Facts Posted by: rkewen
It was Chavez...
Posted by: MyLeftFoot on Apr 1, 2006 7:15 AM   
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who called Bush the "King of Vacations'...
two thumbs up on that alone.

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Hugo Please Teach The American Left Truth Matters
Posted by: dlf on Apr 1, 2006 7:42 AM   
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Amazing how Alternet writers see so clearly when looking at data they agree with: Better to quote Minerva than cite economic stats of a per capita growth rate of 17.9 percent in 2004 and 9 percent last year -- making it one of the fastest-growing countries in the region. Or independent polls that put Venezuelan approval of Chavez at 70 percent (an approval rating that President Bush only saw immediately following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.)

But go totally blind when looking at facts and figures that don't support their position on illegal immigration. Polls count and are part of the story if they are favorable to the cause. It's this type of dishonesty, that has moved me towards the Libertarian Party.

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» Venezuelan site? Posted by: brad
Why the anti-Chavez rhetoric?
Posted by: mwildfire on Apr 1, 2006 8:15 AM   
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Yes, Venezuela is only one of a majority of South American governments that now have left-wing governments, popularly elected--but there are two key differences. First, Venezuela has oil and therefore economic power. Secondly, Chevez has not sold out the poor, and is working assiduously to unite South America, so it will able to stand up to the northern monster.
What a threat! Something has to be done! In Chile in 1973, the CIA and the local Right used an economic attack via a truckers' strike and then a coup, and installed Pinochet. But the cabal that believes it should rule the world has already TRIED a coup in Venezuela, and it failed because much of the Army supports the elected President. Then they tried a strike, and it weakened the economy but failed in the end. So they demanded a referendum, and that was a joke--Chavez won handily (guess they don't have voting machines in Venezuela). There's another trick in the old colonialist bag--when more subtle measures fail, you just march in the Marines. But they can't do that just now because the US Army is already hopelessly tied up in Iraq. That leaves only one option: assassination. To get away with that, they need to prepare the ground by demonizing Chavez, particularly in the US press. Chavez claims to have evidence that the US government is trying to assassinate him. Do you think that's paranoia?

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Sad to see Alternet also
Posted by: ceti on Apr 1, 2006 9:02 AM   
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It seems almost a given that the US Liberals will find ways to poke at Chavez even while defending him. Alternet joins this trend in a oddly toned critique of the Bush administration's ongoing vendetta against Hugo.

Strangely, it is largely silent on the fact that Chavez represents the ALTERNATIVE, or at least is inspiring, motivating, and supporting by example the entire Latin American Left.

The fact that the US interferes constantly and brutally in the affairs of other countries, while we are seeing here the reverse -- Venezuela helping out America's poor that have been abandoned by their own government. For everything the US has done to Latin America, you cannot see a more humanitarian response of differentiating the government from the people.

And as for human rights violations -- again another red herring. More people died in the two days following the 2002 coup than have died in all the upheavals ever since. That Chavistas and campesino activists have been systematically killed by the big landlords doesn't merit attention. Previous governments just blanked out whole newspapers and killed people in the streets. In comparison, Chavez's human rights record is amongst the best in all the Third World.

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The silver lining of the bad
Posted by: brad on Apr 1, 2006 11:19 AM   
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I hate to say it, but, it may be that with out Bush in office Chavez would never have survived this long and other Latin American countries would surely not be following. I know it sounds harsh, but, Bush's bungle in Iraq may have set Latin America free of US oppresion once and for all. Also give the man credit for finally bringing forth a leftist US movement. Maybe I am just trying to see the bright side of reality, face it 2000, 2004 and Iraqi invasion can never be undone, lets move forward. The real question is, are the dems really the answer?

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Reprise
Posted by: brunowe on Apr 1, 2006 12:26 PM   
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Here is a post I was kindly given the opportunity to make about Chavez back in January. I think it's still relevant here, as are the comments.

I'd like to add that I agree that the statements of Rumsfeld and Rice are hyperbolic at best. I'd also like to point out that the 17.9% increase in GDP in 2004 owes a lot to the damage that had been done to the economy by the general strike. Much of it must be attributed to bouncing back rather than Chavez's policies.

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» RE: eprise Posted by: dangerouslysane
April 2006 National Geographic article "talking points"?
Posted by: ethanay on Apr 1, 2006 12:43 PM   
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Did anyone catch the latest April 2006 National Geographic article on Venezuela? I've just skimmed it so far but I got the feeling that it follows the exact same stool-pigeon formula described in this article...like, "well, we're having a difficult time actually finding things to criticize, so we'll make some stuff up and the good stuff just won't ever be good enough."

It almost seems like people are writing these articles based on talking points...but I think it's more of a cultural difference, where the relatively wealthy are just rationalizing our fear of him by shaping a media-created reality of half-truths and outright lies that we can cacoon ourselves in. "After 7 years in office, his measures to lift the poor have acheived only limited success."

It emphasizes the opposition and makes it seem more widespread and prolific than it really is, while ignoring simple statistics such as approval rating. It says his oil-wealth allows him to "get away" with anti-US activity, which, is of course, a US-centric position.

The web info at the NG website seems to acknowledge reality a bit more:
www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0604/feature4/learn.html

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Chavez and Bush, which is the villan?
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Apr 1, 2006 12:46 PM   
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It is absurd that the Bush Administration would bad mouth Chavez simply because he has a different opinion and will not follow a US lead. Let's compare the two men, which one justified invaded another country based on Lies? Which one as Commander-in-Chief authorized the torture and murder of prisoners in military custody? Which one killed over 50,000 innocent men, women, and children and called the act collateral losses? Which claims to believe in a culture of life while being a mass murder? Which claims to be a Reborn Christian yet is devoid of compassion for the underprivileged, homeless, and sick of the world? So who is the greater threat to world peace and freedom? Who has the blood of tens of thousands on his hands?

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If only...
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Apr 1, 2006 1:07 PM   
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people would look into the "substance" of the Bushbots' allegations. But they rely on the fact that the networks are reliably on their side as is the mainstream media and so too many people do not look past the surface and see that, oh yeah, Monkey Boy is the guy who is overseeing the destruction of a middle-class, who has no interest in helping the poor of his country, let alone that of another, and that apart from the claims of government suppression of some free speech, there are no claims of government-endorsed violence, of interfering in sovereign nations affairs, and of course destroying all international diplomatic bonds. This country is going in the toilet. Wake up people (who are asleep).

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Another Reason Why the American Taliban's Butts are Tightening
Posted by: FedUp on Apr 1, 2006 2:48 PM   
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» And Fidel is another hero... Posted by: chasaturn
Washington fed propaganda against Chavez: call for action
Posted by: camaron on Apr 1, 2006 6:04 PM   
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Channel 4 airs Washington fed propaganda against Chavez: email addresses for action

On March 27, Channel 4 aired a report on Venezuela by Jonhatan Rugman, in which Chavez is depicted as a soon to be dictator and the next Saddam.
The piece has been described by John Pilger as "one of the worst, most distorted pieces of journalism I have ever seen, qualifying as crude propaganda... utter bullshit... a disgrace from beginning to end". Pilger ends his brief analysis stating that "if and when it comes (a Washington attack on Venezuela), the Rugmans will share some of the responsibility".

The report
linked text
Pilger's email to the editors
linked text

The timing is just right: Condoleeza Rice has just called for an international alliance to isolate Venezuela, while public opinion in GB is driving away from Blair's neocolonialist agenda and there are growing calls for active solidarity with Venezuelas' political process.
The aim behind the strategy is simple, Goebels gave the lead: repeat a thousand times a lie it will become true as crystal before public opinion.
So far, it's been hard on them to get to the place, but if progressives don't act now, sooner or later all corporate media will follow the lead. By then, it will be too late to stop some more fireworks on your screen - and on innocent people's rooftops.
Action is recommended to condemn the trend behind this despicable propaganda media show and demand apology and reddress.

The "journalist"
jonathan.rugman@itn.co.uk

The "independent" team
justin@jwproductions.tv
justin@justinwebster.net

Channel 4
news@channel4.co.uk
jon.snow@itn.co.uk
deborah.Rayner@itn.co.uk
viewer_liaisonC4@itn.co.uk

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Chavez
Posted by: petrovsky on Apr 1, 2006 7:19 PM   
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I know that next to Bush, Chavez appears to be an angel but I am pretty shocked to see how many of you are so supportive of this man. I agree with some of his socialist agenda but I think many of you are mistaking his "good' deeds for populist pandering. This is the direction that all South American countries are taking with the exception of Chile and maybe Colombia.

I am currently residing in Argentina, and the amount of "caring and sharing" being exhibited by Kirchner or K as he is affectionately known here is almost sickening. Argentina's president did little in previous years except interfere in and micro-manage the economy while suppressing protest after protest, but lo and behold, he is repairing parks and roads, promising to lower inflation (finally) and promising to deal with corruption (finally) in these the coming months before - BIG SURPRISE - presidential elections. My wife is Brazilian and she can say the same about another Golden Boy - president Lula. Exports are up and external debt is down but internal debt is skyrocketing and outpacing income as he sets about repairing roads, feeding the poor, creating more jobs and getting Brazil's P-50 oil rig online, none of which he gave a shit about before this - BIG SURPRISE - presidential election year. This kind of populist garbage stinks to high heaven but people eat it up regardless of whether their president's party is under investigation for buying votes in the senate. It's so patently obvious that Lula was complicit as to be insulting to thinking Brazilians. Deputies were literally being stopped in the airport with hundreds of thousands of dollars stuffed down their pants and high level cabinet members clearly stated that Lula must have known about the whole thing. I just returned from Bolivia and I can tell you that Morales is cut from the same cloth. He is going to nationalize Bolivia's substantial gas reserves, which in and of itself is not an entirely bad thing, but putting the largest gas reserves in South America in the hands of one man wil never come to any good. I know what you're thinking - he's going to be different than the Saudis, Nigerians or Iraqis right? He's actually going to share the wealth because he is a man of the people. If you really think any of this will come to pass you are deluding yourselves.

So back to Chavez. I find it interesting that you all continue to state that he was "popularly elected". This is patently false! If you call intimidating your opponents into not running because you will rig the votes and come away with a victory, then you all have a very strange idea of what democracy is. In this case Chavez stole the elections just like Bush. Just look at these facts:
"Mr. Chávez recently won an uncontested election and a voter abstention rate of 75% (despite threats to all government workers to vote). He also now controls 100% of congress. Does that sounds like a free election?"
Maybe all of you Chavez fans should review Amnesty International's documented human rights violations as well. Like in the US, Chavez censors the media, those media outlets that aren't already state controlled that is. Come on people - do your f*cking homework before you come in here and start singing the praises of a man who directs a police force that tortures "criminals" into confessing. His economy's overall GDP has actually shrunk and he has stated his intention to rule until the year 2030. Just because Bush is a catastrophe and disgrace doesn't necessarily make Chavez a saint. Some idiot said "he gave Bush the finger - that makes him good in my book". Lamentably I think this is what most of you are basing your opinion of Chavez on. A really sad statement about the state of America when we will simplistically say the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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If Chavez would kiss up to ExxonMOB, Bush would love him
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 2, 2006 8:59 AM   
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Basically, Chavez has decided, in the great spirit of American independence from Britain, not to allow his country to be run for the benefit of a foreign elite. This means that he has upset the wealthy elite that has ties to US oil companies.

Here we have a country that has a huge poor underclass (80%) who have been living in abject poverty for decades (if not centuries). Chavez seems to want to turn Venezuela into a independent First World country. Of course, this means taking control of the oilfields from ExxonMobile and the other foreign oil companies.

Unlike the Saudis, who fritter their money away along the French Riviera, Chavez is investing in his own country. Now, Bush & Co. are trying to apply their usual Tonya Harding model of economic competition to Venezuela. Their coup attempt failed (unlike the historical ones in Nicaragua, Ecuador, Haiti, El Salvador, Panama, etc.).

Regardless of whether you like Chavez or not, don't you think other countries should be allowed to develop into functioning First World economies? Even if that means ExxonMob's profit margin goes down?

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CHAVEZ = DICTATOR
Posted by: petrovsky on Apr 2, 2006 10:07 AM   
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It's refreshing to see that not everyone in here lacks some spine. I'm afraid that most of our ultra-liberal friends have never lived in South America otherwise they wouldn't be so quick to praise its all too often violent, leftist leaders. I think all those who find Chavez so wonderful should opt to live in Venezuela and see if his brand of humanism is all it's cracked up to be. Maybe try Cuba and see if Castro is living up to the legacy of Che. BULLSH*T - ALL OF IT!

Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it . . This is as true as ever! Young Argentinians don't remember the brutal dictatorships of Peron and the even more violent military juntas that alternately held power in his absence but that doesn't stop them from parading around in Hammer and Sickle T-shirts with "Peronism" spray-painted on every street corner. It's ridiculous! As many of these kids are not old enough to recall what Communism meant to many people throughout the world like the Russians, Eastern Europeans and the Vietnamese, they have this love affair with Communist ideals, which in theory are nice and all, but ultimately fail for the same reason pure capitalism will ultimately fail - human avarice!

Castro is still a dictator - plain and simple. Give the people fair and open elections and let's see if they vote you back in old man. I think we know what the outcome of that election would be. Let's see if the Venezuelan people would actually vote Chavez back in under a UN monitored election where the people were guaranteed freedom from reprisals. CHAVEZ WAS GIVEN THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF ALL REGISTERED VOTERS PRIOR TO THE ELECTIONS AND THE VENEZUELANS KNEW HE WOULD BE ABLE TO LOCATE THOSE WHO VOTED AGAINST HIM FOR F*CK SAKE!!! Yeah he is a true hero who adheres to democratic principles. He defrauded the Venezuelan people like Bush cheated the Americans out of fair presidential elections.
Look at this paragraph from an article that was printed right after the election:

"Opponents of President Hugo Chavez are demanding a review of what they call gross irregularities in the voter registry, pointing to a western state where 1,921 people by the name Gonzalez are listed with the same date of birth."

Imagine almost 2000 people with the last name Johnson turning up with the same date of birth in the state of Iowa (Zulia state in Venezuela has approximately the same population as Iowa). Now doesn't that sound like voter irregularity to you? I'm no mathematician but if there are any out there reading this please calculate the odds of this happening.

I am a liberal, progressive person but those of you who sing his praises here sound like those Argentinian kids rebelling without a clue! You are just desperate to latch onto something because our own president is a loser and our country is going down the tubes. That doesn't make Chavez, Morales, Kirchner or Lula good people though. You act as if being a South American somehow makes them less susceptible to corruption and greed. That is truly hilarious!

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Political Messianism
Posted by: dave236412 on Apr 2, 2006 8:45 PM   
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I’ll admit I don’t know enough about Chavez in particular to really make a judgment about him. However, one of the perennial mistakes of the Left seems to be this tendency to looks for “great leaders,” leaders “who really care about the people.” Pretty much inevitably, if that’s what you look for, you’ll either be disappointed by the reality, or you’ll be what Lenin called a “useful idiot,” making excuses for liars and murderers who have no commitment beyond rhetoric for the ideals they claim to represent.

Our country’s bullying and threats to Venezuela should be opposed. But they should be opposed for the same reason we oppose the war in Iraq. Fortunately, with the Iraq war, none of the opponents of the war were stupid enough to think opposing our country’s plans required defending Hussein and whitewashing his crimes. We should be smart enough to recognize that we can oppose coup plots and threats of military aggression, without having to whitewash the Chavez government. I don’t know enough about Venezuela to judge exactly what Chavez is or isn’t guilty of, and I’ll admit this, but there do seem to be serious and sincere concerns, and not just from the Bush Administration or the disenfranchised Venezuelan elite. What I do know, though, is that looking for “heroic” political figures as a model has never failed to result in disappointment. And if it does turn out that Chavez really is guilty of major offenses against the democratic process, and against the civil and human rights of his citizens, then the people who simply waved away those suspicions for ideological reasons are going to look pretty foolish and complicit.

We really need to get over the idea – everyone, in the United States as much as in Latin America – of the idea that some politician or political party is going to be our savior. The only way to create a society based on egalitarian democratic principles, is to create it from the ground up, with the participation of all people in free association. Some models might be the early soviets of Russia (before the Bolshevik coup) or the anarcho-syndicalists of the Spanish revolution. Freedom and equality cannot be provided by the state, whatever the proclaimed intentions of the leaders, but only from the people themselves. It’s almost incidental if the leaders are actually elected or not – a people unwilling to embrace political responsibility themselves, and looking for a savior from above, can easily be misled by demagogues with populist appeal and carefully-crafted personality cults. When people ask, “well what’s the alternative to people like Chavez?” or, with regards to our own country, “what’s the alternative to the Democrats?” they’re asking the wrong question.

Every political system is a filter that brings the worst people to the top. A dictatorship rewards the most violent people with power; a representative democracy rewards the most deceptive and manipulative. Generally, the ability to deceive and the willingness to use violence come as a package deal. Expecting a politician to be on the side of the people, is like expecting a car salesman to be on the side of the customer. They want you to believe that, of course, but it’s always a lie.

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wouldn't it be nice if
Posted by: cold2touch on Apr 3, 2006 7:15 AM   
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Venezuelans engineered a coup in USA?

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CHAVEZ IS LAUGHING AT WASHINGTON FASCISM.
Posted by: flaquisimo on Apr 3, 2006 7:24 AM   
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The rest of the world applauds Chavez, Morales and Castro for facing up to the war criminals in Washington. They are standing for real democracy not the mockery that Washington is pushing down the throat of Humanity. That is called fascism now and in the times of Franco, Mussolini and Hitler, that were more human criminals of war.

Drunken Mr. Bush and his gang of criminals in Washington are disapproved by a large majority of American citizens and by a unanimous Humanity.

Let's hope that more Chávez, Morales and Castros appear in the rest of Latin America and the fascist multinationals take their luggage back to the "heaven of democracy, according to drunken nuts like Bush and Co".

JORGE TORREALBA,
Halifax, NS, Canada.

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We need a Chavez to run the USA
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Apr 5, 2006 3:35 PM   
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A German friend of mine told me last week that we have an abundance of "finite" resources for sale but apparently not willing to share it (or disperse it) with the less fortunate. In fact, we're a little stingy at times, but I do know we do send a lot of humanitarian aid to nations, along those lines we also export a lot of arms to others, too.
My country also helps and hurts others at the same time. Arms for Israel, food for Indonesia.
But what we need to do is share. Our oil wealth could alleviate one symptom of poverty, but that's not in America's best nature. We're the "richest" country on earth yet we're the most arrogant and our current batch of rogues who "represent" us in Washington are getting away with you know what. It's like they're acting like characters in "The Godfather."
America once stood for openness and compassion, but it's a farce to see our secretary of state, et al. wail a somber tone about Venezuela's president. At least he KNOWS the problem with poverty is not terrorism rather is the unequal distribution of resources, money, jobs, etc. Hugo Chavez is trying.
He gave people in the Northeast petrol to heat their homes. Did Chevron do this? Exxon/Mobil? Not a damned drop was sent East. But they sure sent a lot of oil to power America's war machine in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Chavez is setting an example of a country that wants to alleviate poverty that has long tormented the people living below the Rio Grande.
Don't believe the lies our leaders say and ignore the propaganda coming from the U.S. media. We can't handle the truth about our woes here in the States.
Chavez is going to shock the world. Venezuela is on its way while the US marches backwards.

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