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Our Fake Immigration Crisis

By Robert Scheer, Truthdig. Posted March 30, 2006.


The current debate on Capitol Hill is the result of the latest in a long history of scare tactics. But as millions protest nationwide, has the ploy backfired?

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There is no immigration crisis -- other than the one created by a small but vocal stripe of opportunist politicians, media demagogues and freelance xenophobes. So it has always been throughout the history of this country when anti-immigrant hysteria periodically reigns during low ebbs in our national sense of security and vision.

The script is as old as the Mayflower: A false alarm is sounded that the values, wages and safety of the current roster of credentialed Americans are jeopardized by the "flood" or "tidal wave" or "river" sneaking across our porous borders -- be they Irish, Chinese, Jewish, Russian, Mexican or even the freed slaves seeking to earn an honest living in Northern cities after the Civil War. Any and all manner of societal problems are to be laid on these scapegoats, and the same simplistic solution offered: Find and deport them, and don't let any more in.

Luckily, although it sometimes takes years or even decades, saner voices eventually prevail, acknowledging that the continued influx of immigrants has always fueled America's astonishing economic and cultural rise ever since the original natives were bum-rushed off their turf. Immigration laws are liberalized, compromises are reached, amnesties are offered, and the Immigration and Naturalization Service bureaucracy grinds on.

Having intermittently covered this issue for the Los Angeles Times over 30 years, I can well recall the peaks of panic in which we reporters were dispatched to the border and out into the fields to witness the arrest of people desperate to find work -- only to be embarrassed by the hunted eyes and clutched crosses of the enemy discovered.

Such frenzied attention was inevitably followed by a lull in which most Americans were quite happy to eat the food harvested by those same harassed and abused workers as well as entrusting the "illegals" with the care of American homes and children. On no other issue is there such an extreme disconnect between attitudes and actions.

When Wal-Mart was busted for hiring undocumented workers, did anybody boycott the company for it? Of course not; consumers value price and aren't concerned, for the most part, about how a company accomplishes cheapness. If, however, people do really care about keeping all jobs open to American citizens, then there is only one effective strategy: Level the playing field by enforcing labor laws.

Some 2 million immigrant workers now earn less than the minimum wage and millions more work without the occupational safety, workers' compensation, overtime pay and other protections legal status offers. Consequently, when the president says that immigrants perform work that legal residents are unwilling to do, he may be right -- but we don't know. The only way to test that hypothesis is to bring this black market labor pool above ground.

That approach has been tried in California with some success. José Millan, who until this year ran such an enforcement program as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's labor commissioner and before that for Republican Gov. Pete Wilson, told me that legalization of undocumented workers is essential to improving the situation for everybody.

"I am in favor of anything that brings these workers out of the shadows and into the sunlight; it's very easy to exploit a population when they're afraid," Millan told me Monday. "We would be a better country if we recognized the fact that there are 10 million undocumented workers in our midst, and we would be better off if they were granted the benefits and responsibilities of a legal existence."

This current xenophobia is no more warranted than it has been in the past. The number of claimed "illegal aliens" as a percentage of the population is clearly absorbable by the job market as our low unemployment rate demonstrates. Yet, the Republican Party and the Congress it dominates are currently teetering between driving undocumented workers further underground or taking a saner compromise approach.

The former, a draconian bill already passed by the House of Representatives, would legalize witch-hunts of undocumented workers, by reclassifying them as felons; their employers would be subject to a year or more in prison and punitive fines; as would even church and nonprofit organizations who offer succor to them.

Because employers are not trained to play cop, they will simply be driven to discriminate against job applicants based on "foreignness" determined by ethnicity or accent. The more reasonable alternative co-authored by Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., and embraced as the heart of the proposal adopted by the Judiciary Committee on Monday, shuns the criminalization of the undocumented, instead offering paths -- albeit long, arduous and uncertain ones -- to legal status for undocumented workers already here.

This is a moment of truth for America. It is time to acknowledge that we need the immigrant workers as much as they need us, and to begin to treat them with the respect they deserve.

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Robert Scheer is the co-author of The Five Biggest Lies Bush Told Us About Iraq. See more of Robert Scheer at TruthDig.

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Sorry Charlie, no tuna.
Posted by: dadzilla on Mar 30, 2006 12:55 AM   
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If there is a worker shortage, why hasn't real wages risen?

This is only one of many questions I'd like to hear an answer too.

While the author claims of racist attitudes may be true to some extent, understating the sometimes-ugly realities of unchecked immigration isn't going to resolve problems either.

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A total fudge of the real issues at stake
Posted by: Bobsays on Mar 30, 2006 3:38 AM   
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The crisis over illegal immigration is not just a phantom scared up by right-wing politicians. All western countries are now coming to question the role of migration, legal and illegal in the current context. All these countries have had mass migration from developing countries for decades now. And people can see the results clearly.

It is a profound disquiet that has descended upon people, and it is justified. They find it hard to believe that unchecked migration is benign when they see it drag down wages, benefits and standards. They find it hard to believe our cities are getting better, when people can clearly see that they look more and more like the third world. All of it poses a very serious question: what constitutes prosperity and what is a high standard of living.

For those, like the author, who claim it is just an old-fashioned debate over race are blinkered. People can see that countries like Japan, Singapore, South Korea are highly modern, prosperous societies without mass migration. The myth that unchecked mass migration automatically brings prosperity has been unmasked. Also, in the case of China, we can see that a focused government can propel development at a furious pace. The US government’s past decades of laissez faire inaction now also looks foolish.

In the advanced age we live in, it is clear that countries can become as wealthy and prosperous and comfortable as they want to. It is just down to policy, cohesion and hard work – all attributes in high display in Asia. Mexico, on the other hand, fits into a more traditional developing nation model: high rates of corruption, little focus, poor education levels, low standards, and a compulsion to just export its problems, preferably to the US.

Mexico does not have to be that way. It is actually a very privileged and wealthy nation compared to other developing countries. It could solve its problems of poverty and underdevelopment if it valued all its citizens. And valuing citizens is key to development. It is the reverse of current immigration policy. Current policy is predicated on the idea that if you can’t get somebody to do a job for X amount, then just import a cheaper worker. When they become too expensive, get another one. There is no incentive to do things smarter. Countries that avoid this model instead invest in doing things smarter and in educating and skilling up their population.

This debate has to be removed from a debate over race. It is about the future of economic prosperity of the west and the US. And we know that there is no future in becoming cheap and dumb.

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We, the people, AlterNet readers are the real resource.
Posted by: JPHickey on Mar 30, 2006 3:54 AM   
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I wonder why Alternet keeps up with this negative binge of articles designed to aggravate most dedicated readers. Maybe AlterNet is not populist but really just dilled with effete Wasnington insiders?

Alternet elitists are so far removed from the working people that they have nothing better to do than to thumb their noses at what is happening to our most needy citizens who do most of the real work.

My biggest regret is that millions of illegal aliens aren't taking away the prosperity from the smug, over-educated advantaged class that write for AlterNet.

Along with the New York Times, the owners of the media are shaping what passes for news to suit their own less than honorable purposes reducing the viability of our form of government. Too much spin and not enough beef.

Actually the greatest service that AlterNet is providing for me is the posts of the greatest talent pool in the World, AlterNet readers. I'm getting a fabulous education from all of you, in fact I've made a special reference file. Thank you so much! At least I know I'm not alone, either.

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The border is not safe
Posted by: uphill on Mar 30, 2006 4:45 AM   
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Advocates for uncontrolled immigration from Mexico, like Robert Scheer, should accept their share of responsibility for the DEATHS of thousands of people in the desert from dehydration, starvation and murder. If the U.S. had effective control of the border that wouldn't be happening, and the immigrants we need -- YES, WE ALL ACCEPT THAT AND WE'RE NOT RACISTS! -- would get in safely and legally, as they do when they come in from any other part of the world.

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Get a grip, people
Posted by: elitist_insider on Mar 30, 2006 5:04 AM   
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Imagining that your own personal take on and experience with immigration provides you with the whole story is just as 'elitist' as the work of any think-tank PhD. Borders, meanwhile, are imaginary lines drawn in the sand by politicians most of whom are long since dead. Economics and culture laugh at these lines today and will continue to do so into the indefinite future. It is folly to fight it. Migrant workers and their jobs both exist. A match will be made. And as a society, we will do far better in recognizing and dealing with the facts as they are than in trying to invent other facts that never will be. See 'War on Drugs', for example. Militarize the borders...deport people by the hundreds of thousands...make felons out of thousands of employers...these are the 'elitist' ideas, ideas born of sheer hubris. Recognize the situation as being THE situation...then learn to live and deal with it. Other approaches are doomed to utter failure.

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Truth in Advertising
Posted by: dlf on Mar 30, 2006 5:12 AM   
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Please respond to this article written from an historical viewpoint of immigration and its effects. Then discuss the issue of how race has played out in this debate from the beginning of immigration into this country.

Far too many of these types of articles, which deal with surface issues of this debate make me think Alternet and Neo-liberals have an agenda. And their agenda is to blur the truth, ignore history, make excuses to maintain and exploit cheap labor, and to brainwash their constituents in the process.

I can't believe you think by ommission, you are spreading truth. If this were the Washington Post and the writer was Domenech you would see all the ommissions of truth. But, because this writer is doing what journalism teaches us, seek out those who share your opinion, and make it appear this is common belief. How are you more honest in your reportage than mainstream media?

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Aversion To Work
Posted by: dlf on Mar 30, 2006 5:29 AM   
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But ensuring that the people who come in do so legally requires work. Apparently since the bureaucracts and their lackeys have a real aversion to it, they've decided we all should. So they keep telling us what we won't do when in fact it is they who have not done their jobs.

Why are immigration court dockets backed logged, why can't they process greencards in a more timely fashion, why can't they enforce the law, why can't they find illegals who hide in plain sight? If they expended the energy to do what they are charged with doing, rather than telling us what we don't want to do, they might find a real solution is already available. But because they are incompotent at their own jobs, unable to clean up behind themselves, and their real fear is that truth gets unmasked we are all made to suffer.

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"Fake Immigration Chrisis" Wha-a-???
Posted by: Gma1 on Mar 30, 2006 5:54 AM   
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"Fake Immigration Chrisis" - Hel-l-o-o. Mr. Scheer should do his homework. http://www.cis.org/immigrationnews.html Unless, of course, he'd really rather not deal with the problems. Also, amnesty DOES NOT WORK. It was tried before and the result was that millions of Latinos came across our borders, illegally. Let's get this straight: my mother's family were LEGAL IMMIGRANTS in the early 1900s, so I really am in favor of legal immigration. I have no racist problems. But, you know what, I did have a problem with illegals and perhaps some legal emigrants marching through American cities carrying the Mexican (NOT AMERICAN) flag with slogans such as Viva Mexico. If they don't want to be Americans, what are they doing here, marching in our streets?They don't want to assimilate into our heritage, they just want the money? I believe the organizer did not realize that she only galvanized American citizens against people by doing this.

This is a problem that affects particularly our middle class by driving down wages. Does Mr. Scheer not realize that this glue that holds our economy together (check what Henry Ford had to say about this) is being eliminated? It is not totally the fault of illegal aliens (correct, but not politically correct term) but is the fault of all of us for allowing our government to not penalize employers for breaking the law. Mr. Scheer seems not to be disturbed by people breaking the law. I am. In the past five years our laws have meant nothing to an administration that spends most of it's time (or so it seems) finding ways to "get around" the laws that annoy them. This country is in deep trouble and Mr. Scheer needs to wake up. It's not only the immigration problem, it's all the problems caused by a Congress that will tolerate anything in the name of corporate interests and do as little as possible, or, nothing.

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Political Shell Game
Posted by: sugamretniw on Mar 30, 2006 6:05 AM   
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I don't believe any of this political posturing. No one has any intention of sending those immigrants anywhere. Republicans split on the issue? No they're not, they're just attempting to get twice the payoff. Half of the Republicans appeal to their more xenophobic constituency and the other half appeal to the pro-immigration and let's not forget the MASSIVE amounts of immigrants who will become legal citizens(just watch and see) who once legal citizens will vote for whom? The Republican party(or that's what the Republicans hope). Don't forget that money controls America and big money likes immigrants. It's always so fascinating to watch the wwf-styled political posturing in the media and then watch the populace truly be pulled into the "debate" as if there ever was one. As a character in movie "Hellboy" said, "I see the puppet, but where is the puppet master?"

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It's not the jobs, it's the pay
Posted by: don_alejandro on Mar 30, 2006 6:07 AM   
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Bush’s claim that American’s are unwilling to do jobs immigrants do is just another lie designed to mislead American’s about the real issue, which is cheap (virtually slave) labor. When I imagine talking to my brother, an airline pilot and Bush supporter who seems otherwise rational, I imagine asking him if he would fly airplanes for 3 dollars an hour, no benefits (and no getting paid for lounging about in the airport before a flight, I’m talking about air-time only). I suspect many American’s would be glad to do the jobs now foisted primarily on immigrants if those jobs actually paid a living wage.

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my own story . . .
Posted by: petrovsky on Mar 30, 2006 6:13 AM   
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This has become such a hot topic lately and I don't think it's just a coincidence that we are being bombarded with daily doses of xenophobic Republican rhetoric and recalcitrant Democratic propoganda just as Bu$hco's numbers plummet and 9/11 questions are being asked a la Charlie Sheen de novo. I digress.

I grew up in a small agricultural town in western Colorado which always relied on immigrant labor to harvest sweet corn, pick cherries and peaches and bag potatoes, etc. I no longer have many connections with that small town just fond memories of the way it used to be. I will admit that this post will appear to have racist overtones but I don't care at this point. I know this is not the case but I do understand how the lines between racism and rapid social change are being blurred and it becomes increasingly difficult for many to distinguish between anger and regret over how things used to be and what is quite simply fear of what the future holds.

Anyway, this small town was never wealthy or up and coming like nearby Telluride or Crested Butte but it had its own charm for those of us who called it home. We realized that immigrant labor was par for the course in a town with a finite number of residents (maybe 1500 to 2000), 350 of whom were students. I can recall instances of "redneck racism" as I like to call it but for the most part Mexican immigrants were accepted and even flourished opening their own video store and restaurant. Around May of each year we noticed a spike in the number of newbies in town which, not surprisingly, coincided with the agricultural season. This was actually an indicator of prosperity as Olathe Sweet Corn was quickly becoming recognized as the best in the US. The town commemorated the success of the corn with a yearly festival held each August. Things were good and we couldn't have been happier.

Unfortunately things have changed drastically for that small town. More and more immigrants started pouring in in subsequent years. The first generation of Mexican immigrants relayed a message back home to eager workers hungry for a piece of the action - "come to CO, they have more jobs than they can fill". Soon Main Street began to resemble a Mexican border town complete with mini-stores selling chiclets, catholic candles and frozen enchiladas with 2 Western Union outlets appearing in short succession. It wasn't long before the last burger joint in town closed its doors in favor of another Mexican restaurant. The demand was no longer there. People who had spent their lives in that sleepy town pulled up stakes and moved away, immigrants buying their vacated houses for paltry amounts. The latest arrivals did not send their children to school (even with illegals status our school district encouraged all immigrants to attend) nor did they make a serious attempt at integration primarily because they did not have to. The store clerks spoke Spanish better than English and Univision made them feel right at home. There was no English language requirement at work as picking corn or peaches does not necessitate a powerful command of any language.

These days that small town has little resemblance to the town I grew up in. Lowrider Monte Carlos and Honda Civics with neon rims and Mexican flags predominate and one must now speak Spanish to read the storefront signs. The newest arrivals were willing to work for less than the first generation, replacing them in the fields and orchards. Wages HAVE fallen for all as employers, native or Mexican, hire the latest immigrants to keep costs down. I don't cast any aspersions at the immigrants. They did what they had to in order to survive. I cannot say that I blame the farmers either as it would have been nearly impossible to convince white men and women to perform those menial tasks. There doesn't seem to be any right answer but I know that I feel hollow inside when I pass by now and again.

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Sick In On 4/17/06
Posted by: dlf on Mar 30, 2006 6:27 AM   
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Those who want to send a message to our government that we are mad as hell and won't take it anymore are asked to call in sick on 4/17/06. Also don't drive or buy anything on that day. Let's show them what economic power we have in our hands. Stop complaining about policy, without doing something about policy. Black people faced death and dogs to gain not only our rights, but the rights of others. What are you willing to do for your rights? Pass this on.

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Immigration Makes Economic Sense
Posted by: RickyRicardo on Mar 30, 2006 6:31 AM   
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The author is correct, the immigration issue is another conversative red herring, a scare tactic designed to distract the public from the real issues. But aside from the moral and political issues, legalizing, even embracing immigration makes economic sense.

There is a very simple reason our country should embrace immigration, one that other countries, including Canada, understand. Our population is old, and getting older. Within the next 10-15 years, as workers retire, more money will be paid out in social security than taken in via payroll taxes.

If we embrace immigration, we will be increasing the pool of relatively young, payroll tax-paying workers. They get the benefit of being here with access to better opportunities, and we get help financing our retirements.

Why isn't anyone, especially our leaders, talking about this?

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Seriously, though
Posted by: stormchilde1975 on Mar 30, 2006 6:48 AM   
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What would the anti-illegal immigrant commentors have us do? We have (depending on who you trust) 11-20 million illegals in the US. Can you imagine the expense associated with rounding them up, verifying that they are not citizens, and deporting them? Suppose it costs $10,000 a head (a conservative estimate). That comes out to at least 110 billion dollars!
I'm not saying we don't need better border security. We do, and we need Mexico's help to get it. I imagine we could fund a joint border security initiative for quite a bit less that 110 billion dollars.
Meanwhile, it seems like the only way to get a handle on the illegals already here is to enforce existing rules on businesses (including heavy fines for non-compliance) and let illegals know that we will not penalize them for coming forward and working to become documented.
Those complaining about wage deflation should also be aware that as all these 'under the table' jobs get dragged back into the sunlight, the resulting wage increases will be reflected in much higher prices for food and other staples. Prices are already being inflated by the decreased value of the dollar and increased oil prices. Naturally, these price increases will impact the poor harder than anyone, since we spend more of our income on necessities. Six-dollar-a-gallon milk, anyone?

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Quit making this issue about "legal" immigration. Its about unfettered....
Posted by: Prophit on Mar 30, 2006 6:53 AM   
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.... illegal immigration and that has not been the history of this country. Why is there really an illegal immigration problem??? All you have to do is look at the pictures taken of the hoards of marchers and you will see it clearly.

There are now two countries with two sets of citizens and two cultures which is a recipe for destruction of this countries basic identity. These people were wearing and flying mexican flags, NOT AMERICAN FLAGS which would have given a much different message than it did. That act simply confirmed the falsity of the propoganda that these are poor humble people coming to America to become US citizens and coming for a better life.

Those pictures clearly proved that wasn't the agenda at all.

Let me give you some stats for your author above who is apparently a spokesperson for Walmart and other corp entities who believe in exploiting these people as slave labor.

Arguments and facts:

1. A study by Steven Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies shows that between March 2000 and March 2005 only 9 percent of net new adult jobs went to native-born Americans.

2. One comparison of Camarota's is especially striking: the number of adult immigrant workers with a high school degree or less increased by 1.6 million while unemployment among their American counterparts increased by nearly one million -- and the number of discouraged Americans who left the labor force altogether rose by 1.5 million.

3. The impact of this low-wage immigrant competition has been especially severe on black Americans. According to a recent New York Times report: "The share of young black men without jobs has climbed relentlessly, with only a slight pause during the economic peak of the late 1990s. In 2000, 65 percent of black male high school dropouts in their 20s were jobless -- that is, unable to find work, not seeking it or incarcerated. By 2004, the share had grown to 72 percent, compared with 34 percent of white and 19 percent of Hispanic dropouts."

4. As statistics show, there are no occupations in which immigrants form the majority of workers. So Americans actually do the jobs they allegedly won't do. Illegal immigrants, despite their impact on wages, are less than 5 percent of the U.S. work force and only between a quarter and third of workers even in those industries most dependent on them. And their disappearance -- as suggested in the pro-illegal immigration movie, "A Day Without Mexicans" -- would result not in the seizing up of the U.S. economy but in the automation of some jobs, the export of others, and an increase in wages for low-paid Americans, including legal and assimilated Hispanic immigrants already here.

5. For low-paid immigrants, mainly but not entirely Mexican and Hispanic, are among those who suffer from continuing high levels of unskilled immigration. As Robert Samuelson has argued in his Washington Post columns, our immigration policy is a recipe for importing poverty: "Since 1980 the number of Hispanics with incomes below the government's poverty line (about $19,300 in 2004 for a family of four) has risen 162 percent."

6. A survey of recent economic research on immigration by a Cambridge economist and an Oxford demographer concluded with dry British understatement: "The claim that U.S. prosperity has been driven by immigration, as opposed to driving it, appears to lack any academic support."

(SEE NEXT POST FOR REMAINDER)

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» CONTINUED FROM ABOVE....... Posted by: Prophit
» CIS is right wing sink tank Posted by: sausage
Why Blame the Vulnerable?
Posted by: Radicalizer on Mar 30, 2006 7:11 AM   
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I must admit that I am somewhat surprised by the comments some self-identifying leftists have been making in this whole debate. The issue surrounding the plight of "illegal" immigrants is complex and multi-layered, but I am puzzled by a couple of things:

1). Why is it that the conditions that give rise to the massive influx of people trying to enter western countries are not villified as much as the poor migrant workers themselves are? By arguing that borders need to be fortified in order to "protect" American jobs and wages, the ones responsible for the miserable conditions migrant workers face in their home countries are left alone. Instead of being mad at workers in India or China for taking an "outsourced" American job for a fraction of an American's salary, why not direct the anger at the corporations that thrive on this sort of unethical practice?

2). Why is it OK for people to feel threatened by "immigrant" workers and yet not feel dismayed when their head-of-state says that these workers need to be "protected" so that they can continue to do all the low-paying shit work "Americans don't want to do"? Does this not imply that he views people wanting to do this type of work to be less worthy in his eyes than an American citizen? Is that not problematic as well?

The problem here is not that these people pose a threat to the United States or any other wealthy nation. Rather, the economic imperialism of the West has created the system of exploitation that has lead to the current influx of economic refugees trying to do what every ancestor of a self-identifying American did generations ago; make a better living for themselves and their familes by chasing the elusive "American Dream." It's a damn shame that so many people in the U.S. are quick to blame the deterioration of the American workplace on other workers and not "the bosses" who consistently place profits above people.

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» RE: Why Blame the Vulnerable? Posted by: Uncle Tupelo
Illegal's are part of Neo-Con Strategy
Posted by: rkewen on Mar 30, 2006 7:15 AM   
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When Ronnie Raygun entered the White and began his war on the middle class, there were 2,000,000 illegal immigrants in the US, according to accepted estimates. Today there are 10 to 12 million depending on who you believe. This is all part of the effort to eliminate any bargaining power that workers have by allowing desparate people to accept wages that will not support an American family and health and safety conditions that would bring complaints from the Humane Society if they were imposed on animals.

For Mexico the second leading source of income, after oil, is wages sent home by illegal (and perhaps some legal) workers in the US. But the existence of this pool (10% of the US labor force) easily controled by fear of deportation, in classic supply and demand fashion drives down the bargaining power of all workers and allows CEO's and stockholders to seize an extortionate share of the value of all workers sweat. In earlier times in America indentured servants and black slaves served the same purpose.

Instead of criminalizing the illegal immigrants and those who might help them by providing food in a soup kitchen, medical assistance or shelter, it would be far more effective and appropriate to crimiinalize the CEOs and contractors who benefit from their exploitation. If the CEO of a meat processing firm or Wal-Mart executives hiring illegals faced serious jail time, the problem would solve itself in short order.
But that is unlikely to happen because that would involve holding accountable Bush and the Republican's base.

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criminalizing immigration
Posted by: rickcreswell@yahoo.com on Mar 30, 2006 7:46 AM   
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Criminilizing immigration has always been a big business gimmick to get public support for a systemthat makes it easy for business to exploit a labor pool simply because it's illegal. What a cool business plan to allow illegal treatment of workers who are afraid to report their employers for fear of importations. Good for at least one free week of work without a paycheck. I've done work that immigrant labor does. I've even done it for mimimum wage. But I can't work for less.
I say make minimum wage a living wage for US citizens and open up the borders. Then the only criminals would be ceos and their lackeys whose crime would be mistreating workers of any stripe. This also solves the so-called social security crisis.

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A Native American Perspective
Posted by: dancingcloud on Mar 30, 2006 8:02 AM   
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I've not heard one word regarding free travel for indigenous people in a superficially divided reserve, such as the Yaqui, Apache, or Kumeyaay nations which cross from the US into Mexico. Nor have I heard even mention of the fact that Mexican Indians have no papers with which to present their case. Many Mexican Indians are born in a village with no record from state, city, or clergy. How are they to "get in line" with no papers? Let's face it, the only Mexicans who are truly despised are the Indians who speak Spanish...a colonial language, not their native language. The day workers I meet in San Diego speak some dialect of their indigenous language. Spanish is a second language to many of them. I don't think anyone hates light-skinned, wealthy people from Mexico. Remember, please, that California is an occupied land (statehood for only 150 years). California was "Mexico" for only 24 years. By definition, indigenous people throughout the North and South American continents are "Native Americans." A little respect, please.

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» Battle Flag? Posted by: YogiBear
it's really just union-busting
Posted by: gerdhansel on Mar 30, 2006 8:51 AM   
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Today’s furor over undocumented Hispanic workers may appear to be a racially charged, clash-of-civilizations struggle, but pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. It’s really just the same old union-busting.

Consider how the love-hate relationship between undocumented immigrants and everybody else who works for a living in this country looks a lot like the conflict between union non-union workers during a strike.

Management can bust the union by sneaking in non-union workers to keep the factory running while the union workers are on strike. Sometimes financially strapped union workers will also decide to cross the picket lines. Those who cross the picket lines are called “scabs.” When the players of the NFL went on strike, for example, Randy White of the Dallas Cowboys crossed the picket lines and played with the scabs.

Nobody blamed the “scab” players for taking advantage of their once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to play in the pros, and some of the better scab players even remained in the league after the strike ended. But NFL owners had successfully humbled the union by fielding scab teams.

Major League Baseball’s union was stronger and their strike crippled baseball. It was the year without a World Series, the year that could’ve been for the Cleveland Indians, the year that drove the fans away.

All American citizen or legal resident workers belong to a “union” of sorts. They are the “protected, unexploited” union, which (supposedly) guarantees they will be paid a living wage; will be taken care of by worker’s compensation if they get hurt, and can form a union and bargain collectively with management.

Undocumented alien workers are the “scabs” in this scenario, because they are both unprotected and exploited, and will accept whatever pay they’re damn well offered because who are they gonna complain to, the Border Patrol?

Don’t believe the corporate propaganda that says undocumented aliens do the jobs Americans won’t. They are the “scabs” in an ongoing, nationwide “strike,” who will do the job for less money than their “union” counterparts, and put up with abuse that no “union” worker would ever endure.

They are the slaves of corporate America, which will lie, steal, kill and turn us all against each other to keep their supply of “scab” slaves flowing across the Rio Grande River. And they won’t stop until they turn all of us into slaves.

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The Beginning of National ID Cards
Posted by: metamind on Mar 30, 2006 9:04 AM   
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The author of one comment is certain that biometric ID cards are required to stop illegal immigration. This is already part of the legislation being considered. There's only one problem with it: EVERYONE would have to get one of these cards, regardless of whether they have been living here all their life or they just migrated here. Otherwise, how is an employer to know whether you are one of the people who is required to have an immigrant ID card?

Any immigrant can have forged documents. How is the employer to know? If anyone must have one, everyone must have one. That's the only way the idea works.

We should resist any immigration bill which requires "biometric ID cards" for "guest workers."
It's the beginning of a slippery slide into tyranny.

Papers, please?

I'm an American. I don't need no stinking papers! That's fascism.

Steve Moyer
http://stevemoyer.us

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Just an observation
Posted by: deeannef on Mar 30, 2006 9:05 AM   
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As a person who lives in Southern California and has seen the walkouts and all the media coverage, an interesting point come to mind. These protestors are fighting for the right to work for substandard wages, bad working conditions, doing jobs no one else wants and being looked down upon. To me this seems a tad bit ironic. I don't know about anyone else, but protesting for these reasons seems to be a lot like protesting that they are using an old rope instead of a new rope for your hanging.

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» It should be be obvious . . . Posted by: stormchilde1975
» Culture of life, indeed! Posted by: chasaturn
» No need Posted by: stormchilde1975
» RE: Just an observation Posted by: DaBear
» RE: Just an observation Posted by: Doubtom
It's BECAUSE of the border...
Posted by: chasaturn on Mar 30, 2006 10:03 AM   
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...that these folks are fleeing dollar a day jobs for even as little as $4 an hour here. A convenient border to ship your manufacturing plants across, export a zillion jobs, then point fingers and make a further effort to imprison the poor and deny them any opportunity to do better. NAFTA, CAFTA and all the other trade agreements are at the root of the problem(s). That, and companies owned (shareholders) by people who do NO work.

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A one penny solution
Posted by: glorybe on Mar 30, 2006 11:11 AM   
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Require every worker to have a national ID and get a permit from the police department before doing the first day's work. Any home or business that hires an illegal then would be seized by the state and sold at auction. We should also have agents that pose as illegals actively seeking to arrest those that hire them. The illegals may not be able to pay large fines but those that hire them can.

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» RE: A one penny solution Posted by: DaBear
Sausage Says
Posted by: dlf on Mar 30, 2006 12:04 PM   
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Yes, Mr. Colmes.

As good little liberals we must look at all sides of an issue and not be judgemental.

But the question still is: Are any anti-immigrant white Americans willing to take the jobs, working conditions and, most importantly, wages that unscruplous white American employers pay undocumented workers?

Can you answer that honestly?

I can't wait to see the answers to these questions and I hope they are all from the pro-illegal lobby. Because this person is a perfect example of the thinking out there that "White Americans" really any Americans should have to work for slave wages to take jobs from people illegally working in the country. That we should have to work under the same conditions as people whose right to work is a non-issue because supposedly laws are in effect that say you cannot. And further they say Americans have right of first refusal. The guys who keep saying I won't work, don't advertise and they don't ask, makes it kinda hard to refuse the job.

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» RE: Sausage Says Posted by: sausage
» RE: Sausage Says Posted by: rg
» RE: Sausage Says Posted by: dlf
» RE: Sausage Says Posted by: dlf
Bush's record of success ---- immigration --come on folks
Posted by: thinkaboutit_ on Mar 30, 2006 1:49 PM   
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If you are talking about immigration you are not talking about Bush or his administration. How hard is this to figure out!!

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Molly Ivins nails the anti-immigrantion crowd
Posted by: sausage on Mar 30, 2006 2:00 PM   
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Nobody's better than Molly Ivins when it comes to saying what needs being said (this'll probably be posted in full later)
"This brings us to the great Republican divide on the issue. Conservatives, in general, are anti-immigrant for the same reasons they have always been anti-immigrant—a proud tradition in our nation of immigrants going back to the days of the Founders, when Ben Franklin thought we were going to be overrun by Germans. But Business likes illegal workers. The Chamber of Commerce lobbies for them. It’s lobbying now for a new bracero program. What a bonanza for Bidness.

Old-fashioned anti-immigrant prejudice always brings out some old-fashioned racists. This time around, they have started claiming that Mexicans can’t assimilate. A sillier idea I’ve never heard. Why don’t they come to Texas and meet up with Lars Gonzales, Erin Rodriguez and Bubba at the bowling alley. They can drink some Lone Star, listen to some conjunto and chill.

Racists seem obsessed by the idea that illegal workers—the hardest-working, poorest people in America—are somehow getting away with something, sneaking goodies that should be for Americans. You can always avoid this problem by having no social services. This is the refreshing Texas model, and it works a treat.

Aren’t y’all grateful that we’re down here doing exactly nothing for the people of our state, legal or illegal? Think what a terrible message it would send if you swapped Texas with Vermont, and they all got healthcare. In Texas, we never worry about illegals taking advantage of social benefits provided by our taxpayers. Incredibly clever, no?"

Truthdig.com

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Never mind the illegals what about the legals
Posted by: jwg on Mar 30, 2006 3:40 PM   
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"My biggest regret is that millions of illegal aliens aren't taking away the prosperity from the smug, over-educated advantaged class that write for AlterNet."

No that is being done by exporting jobs to India, China, Kuala Lumpur, Ireland. I have been a computer programmer since 1968. With the huge increase in demand for IT in the last 30 years has come the influx of 20-30,000 IT people imported by Oracle, Sun, HP, etc. Makes sense though when management has to pay techies almost as much as they make they start looking around for a cheaper method.

I now work for a company that employs programmers in India, Kuala Lumpur and Ireland and the US. They are saving 30-40% on salaries but there are 50 Americans that have had to move on, leaving middle management with the nightmare of trying to create effective communication with people going to work and leaving before and after everyone at HQ. Every problem takes either 24 hours more to resolve or requires local managers to work overtime. In the mean time quality suffers.

The wealth and property of the US is being distributed to the world, we are borrowing more and more from overseas to cover the decline in revenues from the middle class even as the wealthy are trickling down to the rest of the world. Having lived in third world countries I see that as a good thing, but the last few years having exhausted unemployment twice it has not been easy.

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Alternet Editorial Staff: Get a Clue
Posted by: YogiBear on Mar 30, 2006 3:46 PM   
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All this article proves is that it's a lot easier to write a column if you ignore the facts outright. I mean c'mon! How many people have stated that they are against illegal immigration because of the jobs issue? That it's a matter of fact that employers pay the lowest wages they are able? And yet, evey argument in favor of not enforcing the law, and not trying to stop the inrush starts off with the premise that Americans who are concerned about illegal immigration are just plain racist.

Hell, on NPR today they had the Pew poll guy who presented the case as an either/or. Either you're against penalizing illegal immigrants for breaking our laws, or you're "anti-immigrant. Yup, the supposedly non-biased Pew pollster repeatedly used the term "anti-immigrant" even though they didn't ask a single question regarding legal immigration.

Here's a crazy thought: Maybe some people are in favor of both enforcing immigration laws, and helping the illegals who are here now. Maybe some of us are in favor of dual approaches: Don't allow guest workers unless you're going to penalize employers for hiring illegals. Or don't allow amnesty unless you're going to work on stemming the flow over the borders.

Alternet editors, this is the 4th piece on immigration you've run in the past week, and they all hold that same premise that anyone who objects is racist, xenophobic, or some conservative. Don't you think you're laying it on a bit thick? Don't you think you might include another point of view once in a while? Say, an "alternate" point of view?

You'd think progressive news departments at places like NPR and the Alternet might actually consider there are more than two sides to this issue. Then again, maybe they're really not that smart!

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Are we a nation or not?
Posted by: smccaw on Mar 30, 2006 4:38 PM   
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A government that cannot, or will not, control its borders or cannot, or will not, control it's spending and borrowing is no government. We currently have no government. The Republican party is doing nothing about either of these because they are busy making billions off of the status quo. The Democrats are loathe to offend minorities for idealogical, if not, electoral reasons. They are afraid to lose the votes of these groups. A pox on both of their houses. Maybe a third party will finally arise out of all this for those of us in the middle who are sick and tired of being sick and tired.

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Hmmm..
Posted by: Elmowilcox on Mar 30, 2006 5:12 PM   
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No what I like is the "discrimination based on 'foreigness'". I'd like to crossreference this article to the one here about euphimisms. It's called not getting hired because technically you don't exist. If I don't have my driver's license I can't get a job, and I'm born and raised here. People that have documentation don't have these kinds of problems. We have policies and procedures just like anyone anywhere else, Mexicans don't wanna wait in line. I don't wanna wait in line at the DPS either but I have to. To all these people that are upset we don't have an opendoor policy for all these exceptional workers and brilliant minds that have allowed their own countries to dilapidate into cesspools(half no fault of their own, half through nonaction).....go kick rocks.

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CRISIS NOT A FAKE HERE IN L.A.
Posted by: taranzo37 on Mar 30, 2006 5:17 PM   
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I find it difficult to "be in bed" with some of the anti-immigrant racist types, but I submit that there is a crisis & it's getting worse. I just read an article on the crisis facing Blacks, young males in particular, with 70% unemployment rates among the latter. If illegals are not taking jobs that they used to do, then WHO worked in these jobs before this latest influx? We all know the answer. Roofers, construction workers, waiters & waitresses, truck drivers, clerks, fastfood outlets were not jobs that went asking. In fact, many of these jobs were entry level & were snapped up by people starting out in the labor force. With that opportunity gone, many are turning to crime or not leaving their parents homes.....another set of societal problems that will continue to grow as long as the borders remain porous and buisnesses can continue to exploit the illegals who have to accept whatever wages are being offered. I can remember our school systems, and gov., scrambling to find these kinds of jobs for students during the summer....to keep them busy & off the streets. What now? Nothing, that's what. Much of the welfare safety net has been dismantled, jobs have been sent, along with the factories, overseas, companies are downsizing and temps prevail, yet, we are to believe that the addition of 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants are having no effect on our society....that the economy would collapse if they were not here. HORSECRAP! These workers were allowed in consciously and with malace aforethought towards American workers who had fought for centuries to achieve a standard of living based on decent wages. Yes, this is a crisis, and it's being fueled by the greed of employers and those who are the "invisible investors" in their corporate strategies. The crisis lies in the indisputible fact that one group of workers are being pitted against another and only God knows what the consequences of that will be. Social Services, freeways and surface streets, housing, the entire infrastructure HAS BEEN OVERWHELMED and will only get worse. The solution is really quite simple: ENFORCE THE LAWS ALREADY IN THE BOOKS.

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the phantom crisis is bad governing
Posted by: saywhat? on Mar 30, 2006 7:51 PM   
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this problem cannot be solved by this country alone, in fact we are passing a bill that will exploit the situation....this problem will be solved by all working people demanding fair wages north and south...the problem with illegal immigration coming from mexico is that mexico has a really bad government, an oligarchy that will not fes up to its problems, and our government loves that -it =s corporate raves, --those mexican elitists are having a whole lot of fun....

immigration is the ghost issue of corporate irresponsibility...i think clinton's idea of a northern hemisphere similar to the european countries is a long way away and until mexico and the usa address the serious and harmful labor practices by corporations, labor unions will continue to limp (how can unions organise an illegal?) and the illegals will suffer .... the hormones are wired for angst....but our brains have more potential than this....or maybe the human race is just a blip in the cosmic screen of string theory

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FOLLOW THE MONEY! "IF YOU HATE, SAY YOU HATE, IF YOU ARE IGNORANT, EDUCATE YOURSELF"- anonymous
Posted by: RV on Mar 30, 2006 7:53 PM   
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http://www.econlib.org/LIBRARY/Enc/Immigration.html

About the Author
George J. Borjas is the Pforzheimer Professor of Public Policy at the John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research and was a member of the National Academy of Sciences Panel on Immigration Statistics.

EXCERPTS (1991 data)
- Immigrants reduce wage of comparative native workers, but slightly increases overall income of U.S. natives by 0.1%
- This worth $5 Billion a year
- Welfare costs to immigrants is about $56 Billion, but immigrants would actually use about $20 Billion
- Lifetime earnings of immigrants about $380,000 with 7.9 Million immigrants (then), the total earnings of immigrants would be $2.9 Trillion. All forms of taxes would claim 40% or $1.2 trillion.
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http://www.trpi.org/PDFs/mex_cal.pdf

The Tomas Rivera Policy Institute, University of Southern California, Sept. 2005 study findings:

- Estimated purchasing power between Mexican-origin population in California is $51 billion compared to $57 billion for the native-born (Mexican) population. Together, these two account for 10% of total CA purchasing power and 57% of total CA Latino purchasing power
- Fiscal cost to CA related to Mexican immigration is about $179 Million a year
- Mexico ranks as largest export market of CA-made goods
- Mexico-CA commercial relationship was worth $36 Billion in 2002 or about 7% of U.S- Mexico commerce
- About 177,000 export-related jobs in CA related to commercial relationship with Mexico
- Year 2000 investment Mexico-U.S. relationship worth $10 Billion broken down to: (a) $8.6 Billion in rent payments in CA; (b) $1.1 Billion for direct Mexican investment in CA supporting 9,000 jobs; (c) $338 Million in transaction fees from $4.5 Billion in remittances to Mexico (2004)
- Mexico-CA tourism relationship worth $5 Billion in 2002, broken down into (a) $1.5 Billion in Mexican direct expenditures supporting 17,000 jobs compared to $600 Million in direct CA expenditures in Mexico; 9b) $2 Billion in Mexico-CA border expenditures; 9c) $ 1 Billion in state and local tax revenues.
- US exports to Mexico totaled $97.5 Billion in 2002 (Texas-$41.6 Billion; CA- $16.1 Billion; Michigan- $4.2 Billion; Arizona-$3 Billion)
- Mexico exports to 10 U.S. states in 2002 amounted to $114.4 Billion. CA imported $20.31 Billion in 2002.

http://www.thunderbird.edu/pdf/about_us/econ_impactAZ.pdf

Thunderbird study findings:

- Arizona-Mexico trade was valued at $8.1 Billion in 2001. Estimated purchasing power of Mexican immigrants in Arizona was $3.86 billion equivalent 3.3% of the total purchasing power of the state.
- While they generated costs to Arizona, Mexican immigrant expenditures generated a fiscal surplus of about $106 Million for Arizona in 2001
- Mexican immigrants in Arizona remitted about $490Million to Mexico in 2002. Arizona financial institutions earned $58 Million in transaction costs.
- In 2001, Mexican tourists spent close to $1.6 Billion in Arizona. Mexico, on the other hand, earned $328 Million from Arizona visitors.
- Mexico-Arizona relationship is worth $13.6 Billion, $5.5 Billion for Mexico and $8 Billion for Arizona. Arizona is ahead by $2.5 Billion

http://ebr.eller.arizona.edu/research/MexicanVisitors.pdf

University of Arizona Eller College study:

Mexican visitors to Arizona spent $962.9 million in 2001, translating into 32,200 jobs and over $628.4 million in wages to Arizonans. This is an increase of 12,800 jobs since 1991.

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Sick In 4/17/06 Part 2
Posted by: dlf on Mar 31, 2006 10:21 PM   
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Thanks to lclark for this link and story. I asked Americans to come together by staying home one day no one responded. But look at what immigrants are doing, they are rallying around an issue they believe in.

This is how motivated illegals are to making our immigration policy reflect their will:

It means that we can now undertake bigger and more significant mass actions to achieve total political and economic liberation like that being proposed by Juan José Gutiérrez, President of Movimiento Latino USA. Juan José Gutiérrez is proposing that the coalition that organized "La Gran Marcha" meet in Arizona or Texas on April 8 to "organize a mass boycott (huelga) against the economy of the USA" to take place on May 5 or 19.”

I give illegals credit for fighting for what they want it shows they have drive. Do Americans have the same will to create change?

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We Already Have A Guest Worker Progam
Posted by: dlf on Apr 1, 2006 5:12 AM   
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We act like there isn't a guest worker program in effect, in fact there already is. Let me share more of my experiences in the horse racing industry.

Illegals already are going home. I see it every winter on the race track I'm sure through out the agricultural industry you would find the same thing. You see unlike most Americans, I know plenty of "low wage" illegal workers do make enough money to not work for 3/4 months. They go home and farm for themselves, make home improvements, and spend time with their families. When they return to the racetrack the Americans who used to stick around during winter (in places like the bitter cold of NY), are quickly replaced by their illegal counterparts. Most Americans just got tired of being used and gave up. Powerful interest like the horseracing* industry lobby, for guestworker programs so they can continue to work people 7 days a week w/o overtime or holiday pay. No uniform working hours your day begins at 5:00 am and ends, when it ends. Imagine Americans were fighting to keep those kinds of jobs.

Read this article about the power of the Horse Racing Lobby:
In the House, however, warfare among various gambling interests intensified, and the exceptions for online parimutuel betting were preserved only after a major grassroots effort by the American Horse Council, representing tracks, breeders, trainers, jockeys and horse farms.

Illustrative of the industry's grassroots ties is Arlington Racetrack northwest of Chicago. The track is a subsidiary of Duchossois Industries. Members of the Duchossois family have contributed $41,000 to the Illinois Republican Party since 1996, and some employees live in Hastert's district. The track itself is in the district of Judiciary Committee Chairman Republican Henry J. Hyde.

I think it is extremely interesting to find Democrats, Progressives, and Republican elites are virtually on the same side of this issue. I agree with others who have stated that though their reasoning may be different, the effects on the under represented American citizen is chilling.


*Dubya's first ambassador to Great Britain was one of the most successful breeders in the world. He trades free breeds with the Queen of England.

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You wouldn't think the crisis is fake if you were an illegal yourself, Robert
Posted by: janvdb on Apr 1, 2006 6:56 AM   
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The "immigration crisis" is fake?

The "immigration crisis" doesn't seem fake if you are an illegal alien yourself. The status quo is abusive to the illegals. They are cheated of their wages, are exposed to pesticides and dangerous working conditions, are afraid to call the police when they are extorted or threatened, are unable to unionize or complain about employer abuses and generally LIVE IN FEAR.

It's a life fit for a dog. It's patently unfair and is a situation deliberately created by the powers that be in this country, to make these people easy to exploit.

I suppose that's not a "crisis" for Robert Scheer (with whom I usually agree) but 500,000 people in the street in LA last week felt differently.

Their situation is bad and the racists are using their illegality to try to make it even worse.

The status quo is hypocritical and self-serving -- our government wants them here to work for big ag and other major political contributors, but they want them here illegally, without rights.

Scheer isn't calling for any efforts to address this problem. He's trying to say there is no problem.

There IS a problem. And now some people, like Tancredo, want to make the problem even more severe.

In order to head off that group, the Dems need a reasonable, centrist plan (like mine, see above) which will address the rampant illegality now being tolerated for the sake of providing big ag, food processing and hospitality with"cheap labor" at great human cost.

Jan VanDenBerg

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Colorlines New Coverstory
Posted by: dlf on Apr 1, 2006 11:09 AM   
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The
key
to finding common ground is fighting for jobs for everyone. Whether Black, white, Asian or Latino, native-born or immigrant—no one can live without income. Yet this basis for an alliance of mutual interest has largely fallen off the liberal agenda. Even unions, the bastion of support for the Humphrey-Hawkins Full Employment Act, a proposal in the 1970s that the federal government provide jobs to eradicate unemployment, pay only lip service to the idea today. In the Democratic Party, free market ideologues ridicule the idea that the government should guarantee employment, as it did in the New Deal programs of the 1930s. Instead, both parties propose to pile guest worker programs and increased enforcement of employer sanctions on top of job competition. This is an explosive mixture in which no one has the right to a job, and everyone shares only increased insecurity.

Unemployment and racism in the U.S. economic system pit communities of color against each other, and against working-class white communities. Competition produces lower labor costs and higher profits. It's no accident that the guestworker programs in Congress are pushed by the Essential Worker Immigration Coalition, which includes 38 of the country's largest industrial and business associations.

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BUSH & FOX ARE BROTHERS-IN-LAW
Posted by: katz on Apr 1, 2006 11:48 AM   
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Wondering why the "liberal(?) media" hasn't mentioned this cozy relationship......gee, might be a factor in all this anti- immigrant lunacy. I am very offended constantly being "told" Americans won't do the low paying jobs Mexicans are willing to do. When I was raising my two children, i worked any job I could find, ya know, like detailing cars for 8 hours a day, $3.00 an hour. I was as desperate as the Mexican workers whom I sat next to, in an electronics company. We were all slaves, terrified of being "fired" (how can you fire someone you haven't hired?). I was the only caucasian woman there and looked upon by my co-workers with great suspicion. We were finally able to talk about our circumstances; we began to quietly organize; however the employer had a snitch and that idea along with threats against us made us shut up. This was 1980...the beginning of the TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS
so beloved by Reagan, et al. Trickle Down Economics became known as Piss On You Economics and wisely so.

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Don't Get It Twisted!
Posted by: dlf on Apr 3, 2006 7:01 AM   
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I'm saying that people who are citizens, or resident aliens should focus on how corporations are driving the illegal immigrant movement. And those corporations and members of govenment have created this chiasm between those who saw the struggle of Latin America, Africa, and the Caribbean as the same struggle. Not one of you, who is for this new immigration program has yet to explain why a one nation immigration program (Mexico) is fair or good? We already know that over 50% of all illegal immigrants hail from Mexico. We know that Mexico is tightening their southern border to ensure Mexicans will be the bulk of the beneficiaries of our new immigration program. Explain how that isn't a discriminatory policy? I guarantee you can't, and you will pretend this board isn't there it is what the pro-illegal lobby appears to do very well. Deflect truth, Reject truth, Make your own truth.........the progressive philosophy of honest discourse.

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who is fighting for what?
Posted by: Seabrook on Apr 3, 2006 7:14 PM   
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DLF, in your last post you said that we should focus on how corporations are driving the "pro-illegal" movement. id be interested in hearing your analysis on this point.

the sense i have gotten in the past weeks has been that progressive/radical grassroots organizers have been some of the primary movers and shakers behind the recent mobilizations. various leftist groups, including a number of progressive and radical unions have actively participated in the organizing of marches in los angeles, chicago, and other cities. certainly the Wobblies are not in the pockets of agribusiness...

don't get me wrong, i find a lot of your analysis compelling. i mean, we don't have to go beyond a cursory analysis of the causes behind the LA riots to see that immigrant empowerment can come at the expense of working class black folks.

and furthermore, i agree with you and others on this board that we desperately need to contextualize debates about immigration within a global framework, focusing especially on the changing realities of state and corporate power (NAFTA, GATT/WTO, structural adjustment, de-industrialization, etc.).

that said, i am *deeply* skeptical of any position/analysis that does not see the mass grassroots mobilization of tens of thousands of latinos (not to mention API and Native communities) on behalf of citizenship and workers rights as a potentially promising turn of events for everyone who is interested in the radical re-mapping of racial and economic geographies in america and the world.

undermining capitalist exploitation and structural racism isn't going to be achieved by scrambling to protect "american jobs" from "illegals" by militarizing the border or even prosecuting a few CEOs. we need transnational grassroots mobilizations and coalitions for radical structural change.

while the recent mobilizations clearly aren't going to bring this change about without some serious radicalization, they might just be the best hope on the horizon.

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Im inclined...
Posted by: pimpdaddy69 on Apr 4, 2006 12:17 PM   
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Broadcast media has a lot of power in this country. Most of the people who find out about issues of the week do so by means of television. Nobody reads the newspaper and not very many people even visit or know about this website. My point is that these issues have become enterntainment, the Minuteman project for example only consists of about 100 people, however with the magic of television it is made to seem much larger. Many people in this country are positive about immigration including myself and they regognize the importance of it in our present economic state.

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What's good for the goose...
Posted by: pizzo on Apr 4, 2006 12:47 PM   
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Are the folks among those defending illegal immigration the same folks who believe the Bushies should be held accountable for breaking the law?

Just wondering.

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Obvious solution to "illegal" immigration problem:
Posted by: antiapathy on Apr 5, 2006 8:37 AM   
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The obvious solution is to enforce labor laws, establish a decent minimum wage, and make harsher penalties for companies that break the law. And that obviously won't happen with our current government which is entirely beholden to the corporations that are cause the demand for illegal labor.

So here is what we can do to fix the problem:
1. Compile a list of all corporations, agencies, agricultural behemoths, developers, construction firms, etc. that willingly employ people who are not allowed to work in this country. This will require an alternative "militia" to spy on the corporations or firms that are breaking the law. Gathering supporting evidence would be encouraged.
2. Tell people about the list. Post it on a public forum. Let everyone know that those firms break the law.
3. Target those companies. Write your representative. Write a letter to the editor. Boycott their products. Picket their headquarters. Make it so miserable for them that they will have no choice but to stop breaking the law, and might even raise wages a little.

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jgdewey
Posted by: jgdewey on Apr 5, 2006 12:32 PM   
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As a teacher of English to these immigrants for 20 years I have a unique perspective. They are hard working, lovely people with a high sense of family and love for God and country. They are a tremendous asset to our country. Beyond this illegal is a word made by man not by God. We drew a line in the sand, saying this is ours and this is yours. If you come here you break a law. God did not make this law. We are the have's and they are the have nots. And we have WAY TOO MUCH and they have WAY TOO LITTLE.God's law is that the strong help the weak and share with them. It's simple really, as a Christian nation we need to help our neighbors get the basic necessities in life. They are willing to work for it, to earn it, and are grateful for everything they have, pitiful though it may be. America you have supersized cars, houses, food supplies, closets and waist lines. Your recreation is shopping. And yet you scream foul when the poor and the desperate come across your man made boundry line for help and succor. We are the first to brag about being a Christian Nation. And yet here are Christians in desperate need, asking not for a handout but an opportunity and we have to fight about it. Nothing about God is complicated. If you want complications look to men who are not following God's precepts. There you will find the tangled web. There is no crisis of immigration as the articles says, but there is a deep deep crisis of morality in our country. We are the ones breaking the law, God's law.

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U.S. border security: "Creating chaos and instability"
Posted by: aahpat on Apr 8, 2006 11:52 AM   
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Not that immigration reform will do much of anything to secure America's borders anyway. Laborers are not our problem on the border. The "chaos and instability" created by the $ 322 billion U.S. annual retail drug market and that inspires entire support industries into seeking ways to circumvent American border security, that is the problem.

The 2004 Congressional Research Service report to congress, "Illicit Drugs and the Terrorist Threat: Causal Links and Implications for Domestic Drug Control Policy" asserted that; "The international traffic in illicit drugs contributes to terrorist risk through at least five mechanisms: supplying cash, creating chaos and instability, supporting corruption, providing "cover" and sustaining common infrastructures for illicit activity, and competing for law enforcement and intelligence attention. Of these, cash and chaos are likely to be the two most important."

So the government has known, for years, that the black market created by the prohibition drug war policy is "creating chaos and instability". Including the "chaos and instability" on the Mexican border today as well as the funding of international stateless terrorist armies.

The 2006 US Drug Threat Assessment expects that: "Despite significant decreases in heroin production in most source countries other than Afghanistan, production in South America and Mexico—the main source countries for the United States—remains sufficient to meet most U.S. demand for the drug in the near term. Further sustained declines in South American white heroin production, however, may gradually stretch domestic heroin supplies in eastern markets; any heroin deficit is not likely to be filled by Mexican heroin and will most likely result in an increase in Southwest Asian white heroin trafficking in the United States."

Now, talking about "creating chaos and instability", the DEA continues; "Instead, shortages in South American heroin availability would most likely result in an increase in Southwest Asian (Afghanistan) heroin distribution in U.S. drug markets; however, such distribution would very likely be controlled by Colombian and Dominican criminal groups who would purchase Southwest Asian heroin from sources in Asia or Europe."

The DEA/Justice Department itself expects that their interdiction SUCCESS in central and south America will bring the FARC and alQaida into partnership in the future. They are now planning for this new "chaos and instability" that they admit they are creating.

Any sane human being not up on their feet and screaming holy hell for an immediate armistice in the drug war is not a sane human being.

U.S. border security: "Creating chaos and instability"

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Who Is Going To Do The Work.
Posted by: SanFranDuke on Apr 8, 2006 5:18 PM   
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Yes, who is going out into the devastating heat of our valleys and do the back breaking work of picking our crops?

If you find a "legal" worker who will work for the wages and under the conditions that the so-called "Illegal" workers endure. Let me know.

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