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Politics for Pragmatists

By Jan Frel, AlterNet. Posted March 30, 2006.


Star political bloggers Markos Moulitsas Zuniga and Jerome Armstrong talk about their new book, the state of the Democratic Party and the promise of people-powered politics.
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Markos Moulitsas ZĂșniga, left, and Jerome Armstrong.

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Jerome Armstrong and Markos Moulitsas Zuniga are the founders of MyDD and Daily Kos -- two of the most influential political blogs in America, with web traffic numbers that compete with the circulation of major daily newspapers.

Relatively recent entrants onto the political scene, Armstrong's MyDD and Moulitsas's DailyKos have quickly become the centers of discourse about the Democratic Party and progressive politics. Ninety-nine percent of that discourse is not written by Armstrong or Moulitsas; the community format of their blogs allow for anyone to join in the conversation or start their own, and thousands of people have taken part.

Armstrong and Moulitsas are co-authors of the new book, "Crashing the Gate," which offers readers an extensive look into their understanding of the political dynamic in Washington, the state of the Democratic Party and the promise of people-powered politics.

"Crashing the Gate" is not a work of political theory. It's a fairly broad exposition and critique of the progressive-Democratic Party apparatus -- from think tanks to state party systems to the political consultants -- and its practices. The book has received endorsements and plaudits from writers in the progressive press to mainstream giants like the New York Times.

AlterNet caught up with Armstrong and Moulitsas to discuss their book and the pragmatic approach to politics that upholds it.

Jan Frel: I think a lot of folks were surprised at the heavy tactical focus of your book. Is that a product of the role and expertise you guys see yourselves as having in progressive and online politics -- tactics rather than ideology?

Markos Moulitsas: There are plenty of people in our party who can handle policy and wonk out with the best of them. But clearly we don't have many people who can win. Rather than let our wonks go to waste, we'd like to get Democrats elected so we can set them free. Thanks to the current Republican regime, modern politics is a zero-sum game. If you're in power you run the show, if you're out of power, you get nothing.

Jerome Armstrong: We looked at the problem of branding and messaging in the beginning of the process of writing this book, but the closer we looked and the more people we talked to, the more we realized that there were huge structural problems that had to first be addressed, to even get to the point where we can go further.

Certainly, we believe in progressive values that stand for things like environmental regulation, personal liberty as opposed to social theocracy, taxation that shares wealth to ensure societal stability, and a global compact in a world that is interconnected. But those are issues for candidates to run on and be elected on (and for others to then follow).

There is a pragmatic strain with which we approach politics, and that is reflected by the focus of the book. Part of the problem with Republicans is that they are too ideological. We are more interested in making sure that the structure around which we are running progressive candidates is sound, rather than whether or not the candidate is 100 percent aligned with us on all of the issues.

The only prescriptive focus of the book is to broaden the election strategy beyond the battleground mentality that dominates Democratic consultant thinking. We wish to bring about the realization that we have to contest every election if we are going to become the national party again. We are not looking to win with 50.1 percent -- we want a more systematic approach.

Frel: Markos recently wrote: "What every Democratic challenger should do at this point is run against D.C. Not just against Republicans, but against the entire frickin' town. It's a mess. It's a disaster. Run against it. Run against Pelosi. Run against Frist. Run against DeLay. Run against Biden. Run against the Democratic consultants. Run against the whole lot of them."

I saw some of that in your book -- that the problems are as much the Democratic consultants as DeLay or Frist -- but "run against D.C." and "disaster" seems to me another strain. Do you think our national political system at this point is redeemable, if only there were majorities of sensible outsider Democrats? Do you think it's the necessary starting point?

Moulitsas: It would be a start. But the "run against D.C." is a short-term tactic for 2006. The book takes a long-term view of building a broad new progressive movement. So it's really two separate issues altogether.


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Ideas for Democrats
Posted by: Uncle Tupelo on Mar 30, 2006 4:17 AM   
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Armstrong and Zuniga have some good ideas, but I think they're missing the bigger picture. People have been turning away from the Democratic Party over the last few decades because the party no longer stands for (or is perceived as standing for) the little guy. And when you look at how Democrats voted on stuff like the bankruptcy bill and the agribiz subsidy bill and how little they push for boosting the minimum wage and holding corporations accountable, it's hard not to think that the Democrats have forgotten their roots.

So yes, Democratic politicians need to be feistier. But they need to have something to be feisty about that appeals to ordinary folks. Yes, Democrats need to dump self-serving idiots like Bob Shrum. But the people they bring on board need to have strong core convictions about doing right by ordinary Americans. If they're going to have consultants, send those consultants out to places like North Dakota and Kentucky to figure out what it is disaffected voters believe politicians are ignoring or bungling, figure out how to fix that within our mission of fighting for the little guy, and go from there.

This isn't all that complicated.

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» RE: Ideas for Democrats Posted by: Ashami
Democrats=Republicans
Posted by: greentime on Mar 30, 2006 4:38 AM   
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The Democrats have failed. They had every opportunity to stand up and instead they sat it out every time. They are comfortable in their insulated, insured and big salaried privilege and if they cared, we would know it because they would take action.

Obviously they have not cared for a very long time.

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» RE: Democrats=Republicans Posted by: Lincoln fan
Get rid of the do-nothing Dems
Posted by: nim1 on Mar 30, 2006 4:52 AM   
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I have declared to the Democratic senatorial and corgressional campaign committees that I will not vote for any Dem now in office owing to the fact that they either give-in to the Republicans or do nothing.

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» RE: Get rid of the do-nothing Dems Posted by: Steve Adair
Not more democracy but better representation
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Mar 30, 2006 5:50 AM   
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There are millions of people who haven't partcipated in the political process for years, yet want to, but will have nothing to do with the Dems.

Obviously these people will also have nothing to do with neither the Republicans nor a third party. These are the people who realize that our political system is run by the corporate establishment. They know that "dollars talk and votes walk". They know that both parties represent the establishment and regardless of which party loses the corporatocracy always wins. They know that you can't vote the establishnent out.

The answer to this is not more democracy per se but better representation. We can force both parties to represent us by letting them know what we want and that we won't support a candidate who doesn't support our views. This must be done before the election when our votes have power. After our votes are cast they have lost their power.

Join The Lincoln Initiative, a true grassroots movement, with no leaders, no contributions, no registration and no meetings. Make "government of the people, and for the people" a reality.

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My take on the consultants
Posted by: hms2004 on Mar 30, 2006 7:10 AM   
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My take on the consultants, which is something that Armstrong and Zuniga have left unsaid is that they actually work for the Republicans and pretend to work for the Democrats. I think they are the Republican's Fifth Column. If I'm correct this is certainly a brilliant plan by the Republicans. By inserting consultants who only provide bad advice to your opponent, not only you ensure that you are victorious, but these same consultants also tarnish the party's reputation for years to come. What really got to me was the statement that consultants advised the Democrats to just focus on the so-called battleground states and leave the so-called red states to the Republicans. But that strategy's consequence is that Republicans who run unopposed can then raise funds and help the campaigns of fellow Republicans in battleground states. Focusing on the battleground states is a brilliant strategy if your objective is to elect a Republican majority! Maybe that's the consultant's game plan all along!

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» RE: My take on the consultants Posted by: malcolmartin
Good interview, wrong name
Posted by: boadicea on Mar 30, 2006 9:33 AM   
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Markos' last name is Moulitsas, not Zuniga.

See here for the general rules.

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» RE: Good interview, wrong name Posted by: Jan Frel
New Kind of Meet Up
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 30, 2006 11:24 AM   
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You want to get the attention of the National & Local Media, D.C. Consultants, Party Leadership, and the disenchanted voters all over the country? It won't cost a lot, won't offend or disaffect and could wake up a whole lot of people.

What I'm calling for is a National Local Meet-Up. Not online, in person in county seats all over the country. Not for Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Progressives, or any single-issue group-- for everybody who is disaffected with the state of our democracy and direction of our country. Period.

Everybody can easily make it to a park, courthouse or other public place in their county seat. Those who want to enable this can easily map out and organize their local community to get everybody there. I mean everybody, from the young unregistered voter to the middle aged that haven't voted in a long time to the elderly that still have a vote but lack the transport to get to the polls.

If people take it seriously and get the concerned and disaffected out the turnout could be massive. It would surprise not only those at the top, but could serve to energize the people out working in the trenches and those who have been out of the process, if ever.

Now is the perfect time. 2006 is an off-year congressional election cycle and about 1 year ahead of the 2008 free-for all. For the first time in most people's lives there will be NO incumbent or shoe-in candidate in either political party. If change is going to happen in the next 2 elections it needs to get started now.

Let's pick a date in the late spring or early summer and get organized to bring this thing to bear. It can be a wake-up for everybody. The disenchantment with the state of our country is real and widespread. Most people, however, do not realize how widespread it is. This is the chance to start getting organized.

It can happen...

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CNN FIRES LOU DOBBS ?
Posted by: Abushite on Mar 30, 2006 3:26 PM   
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Lou Dobbs CNN 30 Mar 2006 , writes from Mexico
"For that matter, in the United States, this president and Congress seem hell bent on defying the popular will. The American people, in poll after poll and survey after survey, are revealed to be opposed to the direction of the war in Iraq, illegal immigration, amnesty, a guest-worker program, the outsourcing of jobs and certainly the outsourcing of our security. It has become increasingly clear over the last several years that the least represented constituency in either Congress or the White House is the middle class, working men and women who are the foundation of our country."
When I read this I nearly fell off the bus !! Question " What has Klein done to Dobbs ?" Question " Has the tide actually turned ?" Question " Will Dobbs be allowed back into the USA ? ".

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» RE: CNN FIRES LOU DOBBS ? Posted by: hms2004
GR
Posted by: GR on Mar 30, 2006 6:52 PM   
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Who, what,when, where, why, and how is the Lincoln Initiative?

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why would a progressive work for Gov. Warner?
Posted by: Chagrin-Chagrin on Mar 30, 2006 8:24 PM   
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I understand that Governor Mark Warner is a warmonger--a hawk. Why would a progressive work for him?

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clinker
Posted by: cottontail on Mar 30, 2006 9:33 PM   
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How about George Soros financing a third party with Russ Feingold running for the White House? I'll go in hock to help finance that campaign. I owe it to my grandkids.

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» RE: clinker Posted by: boadicea
» RE: clinker Posted by: Chagrin-Chagrin
» RE: clinker Posted by: brad
» RE: clinker Posted by: boadicea
Third party is the only way
Posted by: brad on Apr 1, 2006 5:41 AM   
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Historically influencing the two big parties has worked better if done by a third party. The Progressive party, the Socialist party and the populists all influenced the dems by forming a new party and taking votes away, which forces the dems to move left on issues. Compare that with the attempts to change the party from with and there is a sharp difference. Going inside the party only reenforces the fact that there are only two parties and offers no leverage. The way to change the dems is to vote for a third party.

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