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A new study suggesting yes, yes and yes has won inordinate attention. New York Times columnist John Tierney looked at the study, and a few weeks ago concluded that women "want their husbands to be providers who give them financial security and freedom."
Around the same time, in an op-ed column in the Los Angeles Times, Charlotte Allen, co-editor of the InkWell blog for the Independent Women's Forum, cited the study as proof that "the more traditional a marriage is . . . the higher the percentage of happy wives." The story also buzzed around the blogosphere and was fodder on some cable shows.
Here We Go Again
Here we go again. Last November, we looked at the weak data behind a media outburst about men not liking smart women. Before that we looked at all the guff about women at elite universities wanting to just say no to careers. Meanwhile, we seem to have the ongoing job of reminding the other news media that despite its devotion to the idea that the male of the species is an unregenerate chore boor, the actual research shows him helping out more and more around the house.
Now some in the news media are once again latching on to a flawed study offering bad news for ambitious women.
Published this month in the sociology journal Social Forces (University of North Carolina), the study by W. Bradford Wilcox and Steven Nock of the University of Virginia is based on data from studies in the early 1990s. The findings are so atypical that the study is what's called an "outlier." As columnist Ellen Goodman reports, when sociologist Scott Coltrane of the University of California-Riverside used the same data set, he found no difference in marital happiness between homemakers and working women.
Over the past 15 years, some 20 studies have looked at the association between women's employment and earnings and their marital happiness. These studies have involved different samples of people and different methods of arriving at results. But they all tell the same story: Employed women are as happy (and perhaps happier) in their marriages as non-employed women and having an income generally improves a woman's marital happiness.
Failing Marriages an Indicator
The divorce rate is another important indicator. Do working women's marriages fail at a higher rate than those of homemakers? No. In fact, as University of Michigan sociologist Hiromi Ono found in 1998, a woman is more likely to divorce if she has no earnings than if she does in fact earn money. Other researchers find that the higher the household income--whatever the source--the higher the quality of family life and marriage.
Studies researching the same subject have drawn different conclusions. But reader beware: black-and-white conclusions can't be fairly drawn. The Virginia study found wives happier if their husbands were the breadwinners. Other research disagrees. Some 42 percent of today's married women outearn their husbands. Are these marriages falling apart? Not according to the divorce data. These marriages are as stable as those in which husbands earn more.
In the 1990s, the gap between husbands' and wives' earnings began to narrow. At the same time the divorce rate--which had been on the increase--leveled off. If Wilcox and Nock were correct, and women naturally yearn for male breadwinners, we should be seeing an increase in divorce as women earn more than their husbands. But no such trend exists.
In a 2001 analysis of data from our own study of 300 dual-earner couples, funded by the National Institutes of Mental Health, wives' earnings--whether higher, lower or the same as their husbands'--had no effect on their marital happiness. (And, for the most part, men's marital happiness was unrelated to how much their wives earned.)
Yearnings in Question
The notion that women yearn for a traditional breadwinner is highly questionable, and stands in stark contrast to the large body of literature in this area. Sociologists Elaine Wethington (Cornell University) and Ronald Kessler (Harvard Medical School) found that women who were homemakers at the beginning of their three-year study and then went to work full time reported a decrease in psychological distress. In contrast, women who were employed full time and then dropped out to stay home reported an increase in distress, regardless if they had children. Women who had a child but stayed in the work force showed no increase in distress. But women who had a child and dropped out of the work force experienced a major increase in stress.
One of Wilcox and Nock's strongest findings--that men's loving attention to their wives is an important predictor of women's happiness--may be true. Or it may not be. You can't possibly know how attentive the husband is unless you collect data from the husbands, and these researchers did not do that.
"This study is troubling because it depends on wives' ratings of both their husbands' emotional support and also their own satisfaction with their marriages," Robert T. Brennan, a research associate at Harvard Medical School told us in an e-mail. "The study relies on just wives' reports of marital satisfaction, yet marriage is a two-way street where husbands and wives often don't see eye to eye."
Overall, the picture of who is -- and who isn't--happily married is very complex. Both women in paid employment and traditional homemakers may have good marriages or bad ones. But the simple scenario sketched out by the Virginia study just doesn't tell us much.
When journalists come across a study like this--that says something so radically different from other studies--they should start asking questions and not automatically embrace the results.
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I find the commentary on this topic as appalling as the alleged results. Apparently, one size fits all, but I have several questions:
1) Were there control groups (e.g., lesbian couples, gay couples, men who stayed home, singles who did not work versus those who did work)?
2) Was there consideration for outside activities the "happy but not working" women might have had? Rural women are stressed often, regardless of working or not, because they have few outside options for socialization. Rich wives in metropolitan New York who do not have to work still spend their days socializing with other women and some men and may even do rewarding volunteer work.
3) Was there consideration for whether the women who decided to let the husband earn the money liked or did not like their jobs, if their jobs required decisions, and the preference for wanting to make decisions? I have encountered people throughout my life, men and women, who have chosen to become Catholics because they enjoy the fact that the church will make their decisions for them.
4) Were the women finding the jobs they wanted difficult to locate or the jobs offered to them less stimulating than working with their husbands as a traditional wife? Did the study ask if the women would still make the decision if other economic conditions/opportunities existed?
5) Why are women, and men, not celebrating that we have reached a point where a woman (and hopefully a man) can make a decision as to what her life will be? Is the study saying that women must stay home? Is the study saying that women must listen to their husbands? Is the study saying that women must even be married? No. If anyone pays attention to the study in terms of her or his own choices, then it is that person's choice and she/he was looking for some small indicator of which choice to make.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 30, 2006 5:34 AM
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And yes, again another rightwing attempt to get paid gullibles to feel happy about voting against their own economic interests !
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Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 30, 2006 6:05 AM
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One thing wrong with current human existence is poll takers. We have seen enough studies that show the way the question is asked-phrased will determine the span of the answers. (I like that study, because it suits my bias, which is: Another thing wrong with current human existence is that without poll takers, some journalists would have to remain silent. I vote for that.)
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The real problem with fighting for equality is that the behavior of one gender depends on the behavior of the other: men act like greedy, competitive jerks at least in part because they know it will attract women. Conversely, women act like braindead ditzes because they don't want to threaten men.
One of the advantages of a large lefty movement (besides fighting for social justice, etc.) is that you can find other people who don't want to play the predominant social game.
Now, of course, the feminist question: nature or nurture? Is this not the effects of a patriarchal society that forces women into subordinate roles? Well, yes, at least in part. The problem is (A) how do we get from here to there, especially when there are such heavy penalties associated with deviating from the norm? (B) i am not so sure that gender differences do not have biological bases. We know men and women have different hormonal levels at least, and we know those hormones have receptors in the brain. We know that women's behavior changes with differing levels of hormones. So at least some differences are probably biological and ineradicable. (We could mess with the biology, but that's really dangerous: we could wind up making people sterile, and there are all sorts of side effects associated with taking the wrong sex's hormones, as any transsexual could tell you.)
That doesn't mean patriarchy is necessarily inevitable: many Scandinavian countries have much more female representation in government, for example. Even if we couldn't make it all the way to 50-50 we could make it a lot closer than we have now.
And there are men who prefer smart women. But I hope you like Stargate. ;)
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Posted by: medstudgeek on Mar 30, 2006 6:24 AM
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Does that mean that leftism is wrong, however? Does it always pay to look on the bright side? There's this very American idea that optimism=right and good, and I happen to disagree. The world is going to hell: global warming, environmental destruction, corporate control, and I think that more people need to be unhappy right now. We are in serious trouble.
George Bernard Shaw said it best: "The reasonable man adapts himself to circumstances, the unreasonable man expects circumstances to adapt themselves to him. Therefore all progress is made by unreasonable men."
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Posted by: janvdb on Mar 30, 2006 6:34 AM
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If the study shows stupid, highly fertile, low-paid women who cater to the male ego are doing better, plan on hearing all about it all over the media for months and months.
With little obscure rebuttals containing the actual data tucked away in alternative spots on the web.
Bias. Plain and obvious.
The society. The media.
Society and the press has been biased against women for centuries, remains so and is likely to be that way for the foreseeable future.
What a revelation!
So, if you read it about "women" in the corporate media, take it with a great big fat block of salt -- it's probably wrong.
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Check out the book "Is the American Dream Killing You? How the Market Rules Our Lives" for an interesting look at how the Left and the Right work together to ensure that real life is squashed and ruined by greed.
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Posted by: dancerkc on Mar 30, 2006 6:40 AM
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The basic premise I am given in this article about the report doesn't work for me. I don't know whether I am getting an accurate assessment of the points of the study. I was more or less okay with this until an empathic statement by these authors about what we "can't possibly know." Then my flags went up.
"You can't possibly know how attentive the husband is unless you collect data from the husbands, and these researchers did not do that."
Maybe. However, as I read this article, this study seems to be about women's perceptions of themselves and not a comparison either of separate attitudes or a comparison of perceptions. At the same time, the study, by its nature, would almost have to be a comparison of both roles, both perceptions and facts on the ground such as incomes (objective, as long as no one lies) and chores (which would be skewed in reporting as soon as you start asking them to count who does what).
The sense of what is under control (whether from oneself or from another, partners or "higher" power) or what doesn't need to be under control would be factors in satisfaction. But those satisfaction factors can vary widely depending on perspectives.
However, I feel that my ability to understand the report and whether I am interested in paying attention to it is limited to "pundit knowlege" - basically a topic on which I still know little or nothing except what I get from this article which is clearly making arguments (and it is all I am seeing).
So, after reading the article, I still feel ignorant about the study. The overall questions these authors have seem like good questions but I don't know how well they answer or challenge the actual study because I am not seeing the study.
The mere idea that a report is radically different from existing literature should not by itself dis-qualify it. That is usually what is so attractive. The preponderance of other published views certainly would put the weight on established wisdom, unless established wisdom says we were all created in seven days. Anyway, like those gasbag pundits I seem to be sounding off anyway. Unlike those weekend gasbags, I won't be getting paid for my public ignorance.
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In the next episode of PseudoScienceMan, molecular biologists will be searching for the gene that pre-determines some people to be happier as a bread-winner. Could it be sex-linked? Find out next time!
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So, I guess the real question is are women happier who only have one job instead of two? That's not a hard question to answer for anyone, I would think.
I'll worry about the results of this study when they start asking the same question of men who are supported solely by their breadwinner wives.
A study like this tells us nothing except what we should already know from common sense. Given a chance not to work, in an emotionally healthy enviornment, we will not go outside the home to work. This is not true of everyone, of course, but a good majority, I'm sure.
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Posted by: Lizbuzz on Mar 30, 2006 3:52 PM
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This scenario worked out fine until unforeseen circumstances happened--an untimely death or divorce--and suddenly these women realized they had been living one man away from welfare. They weren't happy women then.
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Whether it's the mom or the dad.
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I find the commentary on this topic as appalling as the alleged results. Apparently, one size fits all, but I have several questions:
1) Were there control groups (e.g., lesbian couples, gay couples, men who stayed home, singles who did not work versus those who did work)?
2) Was there consideration for outside activities the "happy but not working" women might have had? Rural women are stressed often, regardless of working or not, because they have few outside options for socialization. Rich wives in metropolitan New York who do not have to work still spend their days socializing with other women and some men and may even do rewarding volunteer work.
3) Was there consideration for whether the women who decided to let the husband earn the money liked or did not like their jobs, if their jobs required decisions, and the preference for wanting to make decisions? I have encountered people throughout my life, men and women, who have chosen to become Catholics because they enjoy the fact that the church will make their decisions for them.
4) Were the women finding the jobs they wanted difficult to locate or the jobs offered to them less stimulating than working with their husbands as a traditional wife? Did the study ask if the women would still make the decision if other economic conditions/opportunities existed?
5) Why are women, and men, not celebrating that we have reached a point where a woman (and hopefully a man) can make a decision as to what her life will be? Is the study saying that women must stay home? Is the study saying that women must listen to their husbands? Is the study saying that women must even be married? No. If anyone pays attention to the study in terms of her or his own choices, then it is that person's choice and she/he was looking for some small indicator of which choice to make.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 30, 2006 5:34 AM
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And yes, again another rightwing attempt to get paid gullibles to feel happy about voting against their own economic interests !
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One thing wrong with current human existence is poll takers. We have seen enough studies that show the way the question is asked-phrased will determine the span of the answers. (I like that study, because it suits my bias, which is: Another thing wrong with current human existence is that without poll takers, some journalists would have to remain silent. I vote for that.)
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The real problem with fighting for equality is that the behavior of one gender depends on the behavior of the other: men act like greedy, competitive jerks at least in part because they know it will attract women. Conversely, women act like braindead ditzes because they don't want to threaten men.
One of the advantages of a large lefty movement (besides fighting for social justice, etc.) is that you can find other people who don't want to play the predominant social game.
Now, of course, the feminist question: nature or nurture? Is this not the effects of a patriarchal society that forces women into subordinate roles? Well, yes, at least in part. The problem is (A) how do we get from here to there, especially when there are such heavy penalties associated with deviating from the norm? (B) i am not so sure that gender differences do not have biological bases. We know men and women have different hormonal levels at least, and we know those hormones have receptors in the brain. We know that women's behavior changes with differing levels of hormones. So at least some differences are probably biological and ineradicable. (We could mess with the biology, but that's really dangerous: we could wind up making people sterile, and there are all sorts of side effects associated with taking the wrong sex's hormones, as any transsexual could tell you.)
That doesn't mean patriarchy is necessarily inevitable: many Scandinavian countries have much more female representation in government, for example. Even if we couldn't make it all the way to 50-50 we could make it a lot closer than we have now.
And there are men who prefer smart women. But I hope you like Stargate. ;)
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Posted by: medstudgeek on Mar 30, 2006 6:24 AM
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Does that mean that leftism is wrong, however? Does it always pay to look on the bright side? There's this very American idea that optimism=right and good, and I happen to disagree. The world is going to hell: global warming, environmental destruction, corporate control, and I think that more people need to be unhappy right now. We are in serious trouble.
George Bernard Shaw said it best: "The reasonable man adapts himself to circumstances, the unreasonable man expects circumstances to adapt themselves to him. Therefore all progress is made by unreasonable men."
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Posted by: janvdb on Mar 30, 2006 6:34 AM
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If the study shows stupid, highly fertile, low-paid women who cater to the male ego are doing better, plan on hearing all about it all over the media for months and months.
With little obscure rebuttals containing the actual data tucked away in alternative spots on the web.
Bias. Plain and obvious.
The society. The media.
Society and the press has been biased against women for centuries, remains so and is likely to be that way for the foreseeable future.
What a revelation!
So, if you read it about "women" in the corporate media, take it with a great big fat block of salt -- it's probably wrong.
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Check out the book "Is the American Dream Killing You? How the Market Rules Our Lives" for an interesting look at how the Left and the Right work together to ensure that real life is squashed and ruined by greed.
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Posted by: dancerkc on Mar 30, 2006 6:40 AM
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The basic premise I am given in this article about the report doesn't work for me. I don't know whether I am getting an accurate assessment of the points of the study. I was more or less okay with this until an empathic statement by these authors about what we "can't possibly know." Then my flags went up.
"You can't possibly know how attentive the husband is unless you collect data from the husbands, and these researchers did not do that."
Maybe. However, as I read this article, this study seems to be about women's perceptions of themselves and not a comparison either of separate attitudes or a comparison of perceptions. At the same time, the study, by its nature, would almost have to be a comparison of both roles, both perceptions and facts on the ground such as incomes (objective, as long as no one lies) and chores (which would be skewed in reporting as soon as you start asking them to count who does what).
The sense of what is under control (whether from oneself or from another, partners or "higher" power) or what doesn't need to be under control would be factors in satisfaction. But those satisfaction factors can vary widely depending on perspectives.
However, I feel that my ability to understand the report and whether I am interested in paying attention to it is limited to "pundit knowlege" - basically a topic on which I still know little or nothing except what I get from this article which is clearly making arguments (and it is all I am seeing).
So, after reading the article, I still feel ignorant about the study. The overall questions these authors have seem like good questions but I don't know how well they answer or challenge the actual study because I am not seeing the study.
The mere idea that a report is radically different from existing literature should not by itself dis-qualify it. That is usually what is so attractive. The preponderance of other published views certainly would put the weight on established wisdom, unless established wisdom says we were all created in seven days. Anyway, like those gasbag pundits I seem to be sounding off anyway. Unlike those weekend gasbags, I won't be getting paid for my public ignorance.
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Posted by: evermind on Mar 30, 2006 7:49 AM
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In the next episode of PseudoScienceMan, molecular biologists will be searching for the gene that pre-determines some people to be happier as a bread-winner. Could it be sex-linked? Find out next time!
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» Oh, you actually pulled off the Mr. Mom thing?
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Posted by: bettsoff on Mar 30, 2006 8:20 AM
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Posted by: Gregor on Mar 30, 2006 9:20 AM
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Posted by: cyberfactotum on Mar 30, 2006 9:36 AM
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Posted by: badkitty on Mar 30, 2006 10:32 AM
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Posted by: thudson on Mar 30, 2006 10:51 AM
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So, I guess the real question is are women happier who only have one job instead of two? That's not a hard question to answer for anyone, I would think.
I'll worry about the results of this study when they start asking the same question of men who are supported solely by their breadwinner wives.
A study like this tells us nothing except what we should already know from common sense. Given a chance not to work, in an emotionally healthy enviornment, we will not go outside the home to work. This is not true of everyone, of course, but a good majority, I'm sure.
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Posted by: Lizbuzz on Mar 30, 2006 3:52 PM
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This scenario worked out fine until unforeseen circumstances happened--an untimely death or divorce--and suddenly these women realized they had been living one man away from welfare. They weren't happy women then.
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Posted by: jmoore on Mar 30, 2006 6:27 PM
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Posted by: cold2touch on Apr 3, 2006 7:20 AM
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Posted by: tragula on Apr 3, 2006 7:38 AM
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Whether it's the mom or the dad.
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