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A Time for Heresy

By Bill Moyers, AlterNet. Posted March 24, 2006.


Unless we choose to renew our commitment to America's deepest values, the day will come when we no longer recognize the country we love.
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Editor's Note: This is the prepared text of Moyers' remarks delivered on March 14 upon the establishment by Marilyn and James Dunn, of the Wake Forest Divinity School, of a scholarship in religious freedom in the name of Judith and Bill Moyers.

When Dean Bill Leonard asked James Dunn to join him here at Wake Forest's new Divinity School, my soul shouted "Yes!" These two men personify the honesty and courage we need to meet the challenge of faith in the fundamentalist dispensation of the 21st century as radical interpretations of both Islam and Christianity seek, in the words of C. Welton Gaddy of the Interfaith Alliance, "to take over the government and use cause structures to advance the ideology, hierarchy, and laws" of their movement.

James Dunn and Bill Leonard are Baptists. What kind of Baptist matters. At last count there were more than two dozen varieties of Baptists in America. Bill Clinton is a Baptist. So is Pat Robertson. Jesse Jackson is a Baptist. So is Jesse Helms. Al Gore is a Baptist. So is Jerry Falwell. No wonder Baptists have been compared to jalapeno peppers: one or two make for a tasty dish, but a whole bunch together will bring tears to your eyes.

Many Baptists are fundamentalists; they believe in the absolute inerrancy of the Bible and the divine right of preachers to tell you what it means. They also believe in the separation of church and state only if they cannot control both. The only way to cooperate with fundamentalists, it has been said, is to obey them.  James Dunn and Bill Leonard are not that kind of Baptist. They trace their spiritual heritage to forbearers who were considered heretics for standing up to ecclesiastical and state power on matters of conscience. One of them was Thomas Helwys, who, when Roman Catholics were being persecuted by the British crown, dared to defend the Catholics. Helwys went to jail, and died there, for telling the king of England, King James -- yes, of the King James Bible -- that "Our Lord the King has no more power over their [Catholic] conscience than ours, and that is none at all."

Baptists helped to turn that conviction into America's great contribution to political science and practical politics -- the independence of church and state. Baptists in colonial America flocked to Washington's army to fight in the Revolutionary War because they wanted to be free from sanctioned religion. When the war was won they refused to support a new Constitution unless it contained a Bill of Rights that guaranteed freedom of religion and freedom from religion. No religion was to become the official religion; you couldn't be taxed to pay for my exercise of faith. This was heresy because, while many of the first settlers in America had fled Europe to escape religious persecution at the hands of the majority, once here they made their faith the established religion that denied freedom to others. Early Baptists considered this to be tyranny. Said John Leland: "All people ought to be at liberty to serve God in a way that each can best reconcile to their own consciences."

It was all about a free conscience in a free state, and James Dunn has spent his life as a champion of both. No one in my time has been a greater defender of "soul freedom" -- the competence of each man and woman to interpret their own experience of God in the light of faith and reason.

When James stood up against fundamentalists who would have the state recognize their literal reading of the Bible as the foundation for public policy, they smeared him. They demonized him. They tried to fire him from his denominational position. But they couldn't silence him. He stood against them when they set out to turn the Southern Baptist Convention into a monolith of dogma run from the top down by a cabal of credalists demanding doctrinal conformity. He riled them when they sought to turn the pews of their churches into precincts of partisan politics.

He infuriated them when he opposed their plotting with the White House to draft a Constitutional amendment that would trivialize prayer by reducing it to a perfunctory ritual approved by the state. Said James Dunn: "The Supreme Court can't ban prayer in school. Real prayer is always free."

When the fundamentalists and their obliging politicians claimed that God had been expelled from the classroom, Dunn answered: "The god whom I worship and serve has a perfect attendance record and has never been tardy."

I think of people like Dunn as primal Baptists. Traces of their mindset go all the way back to the story of Jacob wrestling with the angel in the book of Genesis. I relish the interpretation of this ancient story of Davidson Loehr, a former carpenter, combat photographer, and scholar who is now a minister in Austin, Texas. He reminds us that technically Jacob's adversary was not an angel; it was the local deity who stood guard at the boundary beyond which Jacob was not supposed to venture. Local gods were everywhere in those days, protecting parochial fiefdoms. This one told Jacob he couldn't leave, to turn around and go back.


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Bill Moyers is president of the Schumann Center for Media and Democracy.

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the day has already come
Posted by: rsaxto on Mar 24, 2006 4:25 AM   
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The day that we don't recognize our country has already come for me. We must rage with all our ferver against the fascists in power else they will forever be in power until the day comes that they extinguish life on earth. It is bad now and steadily becoming worse. Censure, impeach and jail at the top and then repeat it at all levels of government. Clean our political house from top to bottom and then create a real democracy.

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» RE: the day has already come Posted by: jrmart66
Bill Moyers is the best
Posted by: tlees2 on Mar 24, 2006 4:27 AM   
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What can I say. Bill Moyers is the best. It's sad that we don't have people like Bill in power. The US would be respected again around the world, rather than hated as we are, because of Bush and his cronies.

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One party Two Names
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Mar 24, 2006 4:46 AM   
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While railing against the right it's easy to forget that the Democrats' campaigns are financed by the same corporate establishment. They are wooed by the same corporate lobbyists. A Democratic congressman's vote is just as valuable to the establishment as a Republican congressman's vote. Both parties serve one master. They are in fact one party dedicated to the welfare of the corporatocracy.

The enemy of the people isn't the Republicans, it's the power behind the throne. It is the corporatocracy that is in power regardless of who wins the election. The fight is between the citizens and the rich and powerful establishment. The ammunition is our votes against their dollars.

We must make both parties compete for our votes instead of competing for their money. We are at a disadvantage in this because their money always has power whereas our votes lose their power as soon as they're cast. The time to act is now, before the election, while our votes are powerful.

We must force both parties to take a stand on the issues of the people before the election. We must not vote for the "lesser of the evils". We must refuse to vote for a party that doesn't represent us.

Join The Lincoln Initiative. Make "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" a reality. Click on Let's Roll!

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Revealing GOoP Corporatism!
Posted by: rwcbanzai on Mar 24, 2006 5:07 AM   
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Mr. Moyers thanks for so eloquently revealing the truth of these GOoP charlatans!

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What do you expect?
Posted by: Moonray on Mar 24, 2006 5:48 AM   
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It always amuses me when "moderate" Christians criticize fundamentalists for being extremists. Well, what do you expect? If supposedly rational and intelligent opinion-shapers such as Bill Moyers condone the illogical myths of religion -- any religion -- a lot of people will choose to believe the most extreme versions of those myths. It's just human nature.

Rather than tut-tutting their disapproval, Moyers and other "moderates" should display the courage to renounce the fairy tales of religion and opt instead for life as rationalists. Odds are, many if not most of these folks don't believe in the Invisible Man In The Sky anyway; they just go along with the charade because revealing their skepticism would be inconvenient.

In the meantime, don't be surprised if millions of people, having been indoctrinated with religious lunacy since childhood, choose to transform those weird beliefs into political action.

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A crowd...etc.
Posted by: bayway35 on Mar 24, 2006 5:50 AM   
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It is time to get out a rail...tar...and feathers for these scurrilous carpet-bagger's...as soon as posible etc.

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My Aunt in Fargo!
Posted by: jrmart66 on Mar 24, 2006 5:57 AM   
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My 87 year old aunt, living in Fargo North Dakota couldn't wait to vote for GWB. She was (is) terrified that someone will bomb her mailbox, or send her anthrax. She looks to the President to saver Her from that terror.

Sad, but the really really really terror IS gwb. Although I don't think GWB has much control over his Presidency.

This speech, while frightening and enlightening, is buried here in Alter-Net. Bill Moyers is a respected journalist, but who ever heard about this speech? Who covered it? This speech should be mandatory reading in every high school in America.
i am terribly embarrased at my own ignorance and my own inattention for the last 50 or so years. Paying bills, raising a family, these things took my time and energy. I fear that they still do for the vast majority of Americans. The Americans that get their take on their government from 20 second sound bites. From pure lies repeated and repeated with no one to challenge them.
Perhaps it is good that I am nearing the end of my life, I don't really want to watch the fall of America.

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Through a glass darkly
Posted by: ocho on Mar 24, 2006 7:11 AM   
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It is already twilight in the American Empire. We have forgotten or at least repressed the sunshine and warmth of life with something much darker and gloomy. But all is not lost since we are not individually bringing this emptiness down on ourselves. We can fight back and regain the light that guides us to a better future. It will take time, but I think the time is on us now where we are going to take our silent revolution to main streets around the country, around the world, and demand that we deserve better than what we are getting from our government at all levels.

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Moyers has dubious trackrecord of OPPOSING elites
Posted by: ChrisBieber on Mar 24, 2006 7:20 AM   
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a lifelong toady of the Rockefellers and its agenda of CORPORATE SOCIALISM and ecumenicalized(euthenized) religion...Moyers is on this issue a broken clock..right twice a day..

He does point out the RESULT of Government involvement in business and religion..with the OBVIOUS corruption and dishonesty..and does point out the HYPOCRICY of Reed/Abramhoff/Norquist/Deley et al... but...

this result is the RESULT of 100 years of dumbing down Americans with GOVERNMENT EDUCATION and GOVERNMENT 'NEWS"...like PBS...Moyers TAXPAYER financed soapbox for his socialist meanderings...and ecumenical watering down of Scripture with earthly gain and human perfectibility and POLITICAL POWER....

and of course the onslaught of SOCIALIST LEGALITY imposed at all levels of govt...with the litigious framework and media parrots making it all so legal and desirable....

how much is left of individual freedom and American sovereignty and the Church today???????

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Bill Moyers for President
Posted by: gmknobl on Mar 24, 2006 7:41 AM   
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Bill Moyers for President

Run Bill, Run.

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Bill Moyers is the most insightful observer of American culture and politics
Posted by: tmwright on Mar 24, 2006 7:55 AM   
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It is too bad that he does not have an audience beyond the already converted. Now, if only we could get the folks at Fox News to do a weekly an Evening with Bill Moyers show. Oh, and pigs will fly as well.

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Fighting Back Against the Religious Right
Posted by: eastcoker on Mar 24, 2006 8:54 AM   
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I have disseminated this information out into the world of the Religious Right. They argue against government welfare and criticize socialist democracies. The Religious Right is a powerful force. The only way to have any effect is to get right in there with them, get to know them, dialouge, befriend them. We can not demonize the Religious Right. We must love our enemies as Jesus Christ did.

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Telling It Like It Is
Posted by: mrsmagoo on Mar 24, 2006 10:06 AM   
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Thanks Bill for telling it like it is. You have given us once again a thought-provoking piece of journalism that should be distributed and published by ALL media!!! Bill Moyers: YOU SHOULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!!

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blueman
Posted by: Cool Blue on Mar 24, 2006 11:52 AM   
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Hmmm...
An Al Gore/Bill Moyers ticket in '08?
I'm all for it...
Cheers.

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Here, here
Posted by: SufiLizard on Mar 24, 2006 11:26 AM   
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I'm running for state office in an extremely Republican district, and I think I'm going to win.

The secret is merely recognizing that at our core, our values are the same as these hard-working, rural folks who have tended to lean Republican over the last 20-40 years.

And at their core, the Republicans who run the party at the highest levels don't share those values.

The cracks in the facade are getting larger and more people are starting to see through them.

Now the Democratic Party has had (and continues to have) enormous problems. Democrats have rightly been blamed for a lot of the problems leading up to the "Reagan Revolution."

But that does not indicate a fundamental flaw in the idealogy, so much as deep flaws in its application.

And now as the party's leaders struggle to redefine it, we need to take the opportunity at the grass roots level and define the party for them.

While the Hillary Clintons and the Evan Bayhs slug it out for the Republican-Lite title, we at the state and local levels can reform the Democratic Party into one that is relevant, moral and based on honest values.

As lawmakers, we can show how our values are informed by our religious faith without forcing a particular creed or doctrine onto others. We can show how respecting people of all faiths (or none at all) does not diminish our faith.

We can keep Darwinism in our schools but get it out of our economic policies. I think THAT'S what Jesus would do.

Here in Indiana there's a big kerfuffle over lead prayers in the State Legislature. Well, legislators can pray whenever and wherever they want - they just can't pressure others to participate. Isn't a prayer supposed to be between yourself and God anyway?

Out here in the heartland, many of us Democrats are people of faith, but almost all of us are people of conscience, and its time for us to stand up and be counted.

We need to not only pass out the Roddy Piper Ray Bans to let the people see the aliens among us, but also to build a strong, moral Democratic Party that is not afraid to fight for its values.

Remember the symbol of the Democratic Party. Stop letting Republicans define us as jackasses, but define ourselves humble and hardworking laborers who are there to help make people's lives better.

And the religious right needs to remember that Jesus never rode into Jerusalem on an elephant.

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» RE: Here, here Posted by: Barbara
Heresy
Posted by: goldgrif on Mar 24, 2006 12:32 PM   
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In the past people were burnt at the stake for heresy. I think Fawell, and Robertson would make excellent faggotts.

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Lokey
Posted by: Lokey on Mar 24, 2006 1:37 PM   
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Not just politicians, but all Americans need a good flogging. What Bill Moyers says is true, however, without the express will of the people of America, none of it could happen. For example, who put Bill Clinton in for a second term after Clinton revealed what a lying, immoral scoundrel he is? And how is his wife credibly threatening to occupy the office again so soon? Of course, Americans can't be held responsible, even by the laws of cause and effect, for electing GB and sidekick Dick, as first the U.S. Supreme Court and then preprogrammed Diebold machines did that trick, but Americans can be held responsible for not rising up in arms and taking government back by force. And indeed, Americans are now being held accountable by nothing more than natural forces of cause and effect, and this is basically what Bill Moyers is complaining so eloquently about: "America is getting her due and its awful!" I agree, it's awful, but so richly deserved. May America perish and from the ashes rise "Phoenix" to instill law and justice in the world for the first time in the history of the world. But most of America will have to perish first. By the way, I am not a globalist, elitist, or cheering section for anything except harsh truth and reality.

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» but so richly deserved. Posted by: Lincoln fan
redstarwraith
Posted by: redstarwraith on Mar 24, 2006 2:45 PM   
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It's careless to use words like "myth" and "fairy tales" indiscriminately. They are not the same. Myths are sacred stories (i.e., having to do with supernatural agents; therefore, myths = sacred stories). Moreover, this sort of lazy, liberal thinking that seems to espouse something like secular humanism over against religion ignores the fact that there'd be no secular humanism without there having been religion in the first place! Religion informed nearly ALL the tenets of secular humanism.

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What is the great Amercican sin?
Posted by: Boronia on Mar 24, 2006 5:19 PM   
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"What is the great Amercican sin? Extravagance? Vice? Graft? No; it is a kind of
half-humorous, good-natured indifference, a lack of "concentrated indignation"
as my English friend calls it, which allows extravagance and vice to flourish.
Trace most of our ills to their source, and it is found that they exist by
virtue of an easy-going, fatalistic indifference which dislikes to have its
comfort disturbed....The most shameless greed, the most sickening industrial
atrocities, the most appalling public scandals are exposed, but a half-cynical
and wholly indifferent public passes them by with hardly a shrug of the
shoulders; and they are lost in the medley of events. This is the great American
sin.": Joseph Fort Newman, Atlantic Monthly, October 1922

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the greatest threat we face is neo-christian zionism
Posted by: eileenflmng on Mar 25, 2006 10:45 AM   
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The neo-con neo-christians who corrupt the gospel Christ preached are the greatest threat to the survival of humanity.



They worship the false punitive god of empire and their violent actions prove they just don't 'get' Jesus.

Christ was no Christian, but he was a Palestinian Jew and social justice radical revolutionary who promised that it is the Peacemakers who are the children of God and warned not to judge another.

He was crucified by Rome for upsetting the status quo and agitated the Temple authorities job security.



100 years before The Christ walked the earth

Rabbi Hillel understood that the Hebrew understanding of Hokema; Holy Wisdom

was the same as the Greek understanding of The Logos: The Word.


It was Paul and John who first understood

The Word was good and

The Word was The Logos

The Word is The Christ

It was John on Rubber Soul who intuitively knew:

"The Word is just The Way and The Word is Love"

So, before Christ walked the earth a man,

He was already a She:
Hokema, Holy Wisdom; the Feminine Divinity

Chapter 10: All I've Got
http://www.wearewideawake.org

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IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOME PAID rePUKE TROLLS ABOARD
Posted by: krose on Mar 25, 2006 2:39 PM   
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SPEWING THEIR VILE BILE PROPAGANDA ON OUR ALTERNET!
They are all over the liberal blogs! Since the administration's poll #'s are so low, & they cannot change their image through the normal channels, they are trying, ever so hard, via the "paid propaganda" way. They cannot help themselves! But we do not have to help them! Do not respond to these weasels. Their object is to distract us from our topic. If we ignore them, they cannot succeed.

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Some people are really confused in what they are saying?
Posted by: HawkSpirit on Mar 26, 2006 12:24 AM   
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Mixed messages that are off target do not help either. Each person knows within their own spirit or heart what is their truth. If you believe or do not believe is not the question? The question is what is right and what is wrong. Anyone reading the bible knows Jesus was a teacher of love and truth. He had no relationship with the far right in this day and age. Whether to believe in a God, Goddess or a Universal Spiritual Law is up to each and everyone to chose.

I believe in Mother Earth, who has a lot stronger weapons, such as category five storms, volcanic explosions and rising temperatures to change everything living being on this planet. In the end, She will win, when all the people are either dead or living within Her Laws. She can remake the planet and those life forces that live here.

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Abrahamic faiths are no better than Greco-Roman mythology
Posted by: wli on Mar 26, 2006 4:54 AM   
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And I'm not kidding, either. Judeo-Christian-Muslim religion all goes back to Canaanite polytheism about El (Elohim refers to the whole pantheon or some such), Baal, Astarte a.k.a. Asherah a.k.a. Ishtar, Yam, Mot, Dagon (fertility and wheat, despite Lovecraft's usage), and yes, even the infamous Moloch most have probably only heard of in reference to Bohemian Grove.

Check out Ugaritic religion and literature (Ugarit was an ancient city of Canaan). The miraculous monotheism is traceable directly back to pagan polytheism. Records of syncretic cults where the ancient Egyptians and Greeks mixed and matched pantheons with the Canaanites are even out there. It might as well be the ancient Greek gods where the followers of Zeus started saying that the followers of all the other Greek gods were heretics.

What do you do when it's this blatant, this fake and billions of people believe in it? When they go to war over it? When they've been doing so for 2000-3000 years? What do you do when the vast majority of people in the world are so insane they believe in something that's basically like saying Zeus is the only god and Hera and Ares are false gods?

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PLUTOCRATS OF THE WORLD UNITE!
Posted by: shangrilalad on Mar 26, 2006 8:15 AM   
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PLUTOCRATS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

Looking out for Number One should be our primary concern. We are the 1% of the world population who possess more wealth than the other 99% combined. Though we rule most of the world, are we really as secure as we imagine? Scattered as we are in all the countries of the world, our power is diluted by having to defend so many different strongholds. There is no security living in a palace fortress surrounded by slums.

Wouldn’t we be more secure if we all lived in one place, one Homeland that we controlled absolutely. I propose that we take over the Hawaiian Islands, one of the most isolated places in the world, thus making it the easiest and most cost effective to defend. Hawaii is an island paradise with one of the world’s best climates. We might also consider New Zealand.

Unfortunately, none of us are really secure, no matter where we presently live. Not in China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, or the USA. Though we control the wealth, governments, media and armies of all nations, none of us are truly immune to terrorist attacks or uprisings by the rabble. Our New World Order based on Globalization has been an unqualified success, but we must be wary that the 99% might eventually become aware that they are the proverbial frog sitting in a simmering pot. Let’s not ignore the possibility that the masses might try to seize our assets through taxation or violence.

Besides, wouldn’t we all be more comfortable living exclusively with our own kind? No matter what happens to the rest of the world, we would be secure.

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Confused and past its prime
Posted by: Gregor on Mar 26, 2006 10:39 AM   
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As someone who actually studies the "bible" from its original writings, the current interpretation of the Bible is completely skewed and misquoated. First of all, none of the Bible is studied with its companion texts which were supposed to be studied along with it. So the Bible in this day and age is studied only with 1/2 of the actual information and knowledge of what is supposed to be studied and lived. Secondly, it does not translate well into English. The original Hebrew and Aramaic is an encoded system designed to lead the scholar (I emphasize the word scholar) towards a life of inner enlightenment and inner responsibility and discipline. Secondly, there are laws associated with the Bible, but they are emphasized as an individulal process. There are hundreds of laws to that effect. What has been passed down through the ages is basically the laziness of human beings who do not want to do the intense inner work as the discipline and lifestyle of an enlightenment process. This study comes with great internal commitment--to yourself. If you were actually following the laws and discipline of the original Torah, an individual would not have time to be bothering the outside community with their opinions. The whole purpose is to use your ego and mind to be one with G'd. It is an inward journey, not an outside belief system. There is a reason why Jews are not running around trying to convert people.

But I digress. The values of this country are largely overstated. Except for the initial inception of this country, money has always been the driving force. The original tax system was set up for the rich in this country, not due to maliciousness, but because at the time it was a moral mandate of the times that the rich gave generously to the poor. Not so now. The tax system has always been designed to help the wealthy. It is just more emphasized and extrapolated in this day and age.

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Sadly Enough
Posted by: gonzoskismet on Mar 27, 2006 4:01 PM   
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.....I've only known three REAL Christians in my life that I could sit down with and compare spiritual experiences with. I was raised both Baptist and Native American which can give you some really bad bipolar tendencies until you get the mess unravelled. When I finally got it unravelled, I kept it pretty much to myself.
If you want to seperate your church and your state, it's going to take a great deal of civil disobedience, unfortunately. Once these people smell power and money, it's like sharks smelling fresh blood. They aren't going to surcome to demands for your Constitutional Rights. They've already bought them.
America has been rocked to sleep. And, if you don't wake up, it may be a sleep unto death. It's up to you. Bill Moyers can only report what he sees.

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» RE: Sadly Enough Posted by: Barbara
A Just Rule of Law
Posted by: docconsult on Mar 30, 2006 10:57 AM   
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I agree that our Immigration policy is in great need of repair. But I do agree that any policy not thought out carefully, will only add to the problem. First, I think we need to understand the meaning of the word illegal. We must remain dedicated to a just rule of law. Not a rule of lawlessness.

None of us are free to do what ever it is that we want to do. Therefore we must return to first things first, and that is working toward a just society. Outsourcing jobs from this country is not the answer, nor is allowing illegal immigrants to run this country.

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GR
Posted by: GR on Mar 30, 2006 6:33 PM   
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Agreed to both the day has already come, and Join The PDA comments! Keep doing the best you can - let's not give up!
Up The Democracy !

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the oppressed also need a bullroarer
Posted by: cold2touch on Mar 31, 2006 7:21 AM   
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Because the criminal elites speak with a clarity of purpose, namely that the world is their unconditional property and they harnessed the power of church, government and mass media to this message, the downtrodden will never raise themselves from the ditch in which they are buried until they come up with their own bullroarer.
Although an atheist, I believe that the Bullroarer of the helpless is what it has always been: The New Testament, The Word of Christ. He was the original socialist and communist and the greatest of them all, with impeccable credentials of passion, intellect and pure life.
For this reason, I think that all other initiatives, no matter how worthy are bound to fail, however, the "primal" ministries, to use Moyers' term, like Sojourners will hold up the flaming torch and will not waver, because the message of Jesus is clear and will resonate unequivocally in this new echo chamber.
Throw the money changers out of Congress!

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