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Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome

By Silja J.A. Talvi, In These Times. Posted March 25, 2006.


A new book dissects the emotional and psychological scars of slavery on the African American psyche.

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Racism erodes our very humanity. No one can be truly liberated while living under the weight of oppression, argues Dr. Joy DeGruy Leary in her new book, Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome: America's Legacy of Enduring Injury and Healing.

Leary, who teaches social work at Portland State University, traces the way that both overt and subtle forms of racism have damaged the collective African-American psyche -- harm manifested through poor mental and physical health, family and relationship dysfunction, and self-destructive impulses.

Leary adapts our understanding of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder to propose that African Americans today suffer from a particular kind of intergenerational trauma: Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome (PTSS). The systematic dehumanization of African slaves was the initial trauma, explains Leary, and generations of their descendents have borne the scars. Since that time, Americans of all ethnic backgrounds have been inculcated and immersed in a fabricated (but effective) system of race "hierarchy," where light-skin privilege still dramatically affects the likelihood of succeeding in American society.

Leary suggests that African Americans (and other people of color) can ill afford to wait for the dominant culture to realize the qualitative benefits of undoing racism. The real recovery from the ongoing trauma of slavery and racism has to start from within, she says, beginning with a true acknowledgment of the resilience of African-American culture.

"The nature of this work," Leary writes in her prologue, "is such that each group first must see to their own healing, because no group can do another's work."

Silja J.A. Talvi: What kind of reaction have you received to your book? And has that reaction differed based on who is in the audience?

Dr. Joy DeGruy Leary: Overall, the response has been very positive, although I'm sure the naysayers are out there. The difference in reaction is noticeable when I deal with grassroots folks in the African-American community. With them, the response has been extremely emotional. It's as though I'm speaking people's personal stories, which seems to give them a feeling of hope.

Of course, I'm not the first person to initiate this kind of work into the intergenerational nature of trauma in the African-American community … What I did differently is that I pulled from many different historical sources and scholarly disciplines. In essence, I created a "map" of knowledge so that people could see how African-American self-perception has been shaped.

SJT: Throughout your book, you emphasize that an acute, social denial of both historical and present-day racism has taken on pathological dimensions. You write that this country is "sick with the issue of race."

JDL: The root of this denial for the dominant culture is fear, and fear mutates into all kinds of things: psychological projection, distorted and sensationalized representations in the media, and the manipulation of science to justify the legal rights and treatment of people. That's why it's become so hard to unravel.

Unfortunately, many European Americans have a very hard time even hearing a person of color express their experiences. The prevailing psychological mechanism is the idea, "I've not experienced it, so it cannot be happening for you."

Truly, how can anyone tell me what I have and have not experienced? This is a very paternalistic manifestation of white supremacy, the idea that African Americans and other people of color can be told, with great authority, what their ancestor's lives were like and even what their own, present-day lives are like. The result for those on the receiving end of this kind of distortion is an aspect of PTSS. People begin to doubt themselves, their experiences, and their worth in society because they have been so invalidated their whole lives, in so many ways.

SJT: Attempts to encourage European Americans to join in on a more honest, national dialogue about "race" and racism often results in defensive posturing and positioning. Common responses include "slavery happened a long time ago," or people saying that they're tired of being made to feel guilty about something they didn't do. How do we respond to this detachment from the crucial issues of the legacy of slavery?


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Silja J.A. Talvi is a senior editor at In These Times. She is at work on a book about women in prison (Seal Press).

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Fascinating, and what about Native Americans?
Posted by: kgs1947 on Mar 25, 2006 3:33 AM   
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This was a very insightful article and I'm sure to buy the book. I'm wondering now if there is any similar study of Native Americans?! This people have been traumatized over and over and over with the full, conscious intent of the American government to keep them traumatized.

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Being a sexual minority is similar!
Posted by: kgs1947 on Mar 25, 2006 3:36 AM   
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Being a member of a sexual minority in this nongay culture has brought about similar traumatization. Be queer and you know exactly what it is like to hide, be shamed, keep secrets, deny feelings, act-out in self-hating ways, and deny my own worth. "Coming out" is only the first step of courage that can lead to self-affirming and validating wholeness in the face of homo-hatred.

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Queer and Black, Queer and Asian/Pacific Islander
Posted by: kgs1947 on Mar 25, 2006 3:48 AM   
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Imagine what it is like for a black, lesbian, drug addict, and mother. Where do you go for support? What if you are of mixed race and queer?! Ever talk to a guy who tries to pass as white even though he knows that he is of mixed descent? Try to be Asian and queer where neither is acceptable in this society. Can they receive support from religion? No. The black churches condemn queers. Can they receive support from their fellow queers? No. The queer, white community itself is racist following the lead of the nongay and white society in which we they grew up and now live. Then, we have the government which siphens off tax-payer money to religion as the answer: faith-based community efforts that are founded on racism and homo-hatred.

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suffer
Posted by: rsaxto on Mar 25, 2006 3:49 AM   
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Blacks suffer from post-slavery stress disorder and the Bushies suffer from pre-scientific ignoramus disorder.

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How about Post Traumatic Irish Syndrome???
Posted by: Grouchoman on Mar 25, 2006 4:14 AM   
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The irish were considered shit for over half a century in this country...Irish need not apply signs were quite prevalent in the turn of the century. Jews were treated as miserably in early america as well. Let's not discuss what we did to the Japanese americans during WWII.

Each ethnic / religious / color group in America has faced down the hard stare of racist and xenophobic white anglo saxons and eventually won. To suggest it has caused a syndrome that is particular to people of color alone is folly. Maybe it should be called Post Traumatic Immigrant Syndrome or Post Traumatic American Syndrome.

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I'll show you mine if you show me yours
Posted by: dlf on Mar 25, 2006 7:37 AM   
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Why is it so hard to allow that the Black experience is nothing like being gay, jewish, Japanese, or Irish? Only Native Americans have a similar experience, but not a shared experience. From the 1500's Africans were enslaved by Europeons. And they continued to trade in human flesh after slavery was abolished. Then we had the period known as the Black Codes or Jim Crow. By 2006 we still have naked aggression by co-workers and cops to contend with. I haven't heard of numerous cases of cops shooting first asking questions later based on Irish nationality or sexual orientation. But I might not be looking in the right places. If TV is an indication you have arrived, I think there are more gay characters than Asian, Hispanic, or Black. Please stop comparing your struggle to that of Black people it isn't or has it ever been the same.

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Hate crimes still exist
Posted by: Ellie1 on Mar 25, 2006 8:50 AM   
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I live in New Jersey. Hate crimes still exist, against (in this order) 1.blacks 2.Jews 3. Gays 4 Hispanics. Only one of these groups is impossible to hide or pass for "something else". Racism is alive and well.

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What a crock of crap!
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Mar 25, 2006 8:54 AM   
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Slavery began with one African Tribe capturing members of another tribe and selling their African brothers into slavery for hundreds of years. Ever since then, being a descendent of slaves has been the gold plated excuse for denying personal responsibility for that individual's lifestyle. We are all are descended from former slaves or indentured servants. Somehow the European Serfs, Russian Peasants, Jewish Slaves, etc. all overcame their past slavery and improved their lot over succeeding generations. Well it is time former African slaves to stand up and take responsibility for their own lives and stop making excuses or waiting for the next free ride. By now they should have realized after 141 years that the "I am descended from slaves" excuse doesn't work and as long as the African community believes in that myth they will continue to live as they have for the last 141 years, blaming someone else for their own failures.

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I'm weary of the plea, "I'm a victim. You must do something for me."
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 25, 2006 9:07 AM   
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Unless I see someone bleeding, I shall interpret a cry for help as motivated by an excuse, not a reason. Yes, everyone in jail is innocent, when you ask them. I've been there too.

Everyone's ancestors have been slaves. It's the way things were done until now. Continuing to focus on race rather than class simply perpetuates the status quo.

The question is whether individuals want to change. As I'm busy about my own changes, it doesn't leave much time or energy to listen to the pleas for help that amount to continuing same old, same old.

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moynihan redux?
Posted by: trevorg on Mar 25, 2006 9:56 AM   
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Sounds like a retooled culture of poverty to me. Albeit with some vague nods to black risilience.

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Grace begins at home
Posted by: lutragrrl on Mar 25, 2006 10:02 AM   
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Having been a teacher on and off thru the years and in the process of completing a doctorate with a heavy dosage of critical theory, I completely agree with Dr. Leary about her statements in this article and will be interested to read her book. I am, BTW, white with some native american lineage but perhaps the most important self-identifying factoid about me is my belief in Buddhism, which recognizes the connections of inter relationship which we all share, whether we choose to acknowledge them or not. One person's oppression has a deep impact on me, even though I appear to be un-oppressed, for a society which tolerates inhuman treatment of humans is not sufficiently advanced to promote world peace, inetrpersonal health, balanced growth, care for nature and so forth. In short, the progressive values I cherish can not flourish where one group of persons is placed in 'grace' above another.

I have seen students come to class who do not believe that they have the right to express an idea, thought or opinion, and indeed, they may be of many identity stripes. But I think it clear that the actual enslavement of one race has led to an ongoing enslavement, via the prison and educational systems, and to me at least it is clear that a perpetual de-valuing of humans in general continues to cause a deep illness in this country and even more clearly in our policies abroad. Dr Angela Davis has done some great work in this area, and I suggest reading her "Why Priosns Are Obsolete" for more information about the ways in which the prison-industrial complex poses a problem for us all, not just for the many black men (and others) inside those walls.

I am glad that Dr Leary is providing a book which focuses on transgenerational trauma. I believe, as a Northerner with family in the South, that the Civil War has left deep scars upon our country that have not at all been healed. It will take work like Dr Leary's to open up the discussion and see what it costs all of us when some of us are treated so poorly. It is common knowledge in psychoanalytic circles that people will embody the material which is projected upon them - and this really is not rocket science by now folks. Let's get into it, and move through it. Disasters like Katrina give us a healing opportunity we could be using to great human advantage in the US. We are all grown ups here - let's act like it by making the most of our human lifetimes to achieve a better state of real grace.... which begins at home, cherishing each person we meet.

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It seems like PTSS has caused more problems than we realise
Posted by: roland89 on Mar 25, 2006 11:40 AM   
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You all have to remember it took Northern Europeans nearly a thousand years to get over what the Romans put them through, its only been a century or two since the trans-atlantic slave trade was ended. In England there is still deep scars, which resonate in songs, example: Royal Britannia, "Britannia rule the waves, Britians never, ever, ever, shall be slaves", too late though as it's already happened. Many Britians were slaves under the Romans, when they pulled out the Saxons invaded and treated the natives like shit, even going as far as to call them wealsc (which meant foreigner) later the wealsc would become the Welsh, and there is still animosity between the English and Welsh nearly 1500 years later.

There was a law from Ine, king of Wessex - stating that the life of an Englishman (Saxon) was worth more than that of a Briton. Then the Normans invaded and turned many Saxons into serfs, (polite word for slaves) which is why we were so hateful to the Africans and others we encountered, we too were suffering from PTSS, not meaning to justify it. Hate just breeds more hate, we need to start being more kind and gentle to each other and stop the finger pointing, everyone needs to get over the past, the theory of Race, albeit scientifically invalid has stemmed from unconfidence. Arianism was a total myth that's now only just beginning to unravel. These, as far as I'm concerned are signs of PTSS!

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Guess I have to Post Willie Lynch Doctrine Again
Posted by: dlf on Mar 25, 2006 2:30 PM   
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The slave holder was keenly aware of the breeding principles of his livestock and the following treatise demonstrates that he thoroughly used those principles on his human live stock as well, the African Slave, and added a debilitating psychological component as well.

We reversed nature by burning and pulling one civilized nigger apart and bull whipping the other to the point of death--all in her presence. By her being left alone, unprotected, with male image destroyed, the ordeal cased her to move from her psychological dependent state to a frozen independent state. In this frozen psychological state of independence she will raise her male and female offspring in reversed roles. For fear of the young male's life she will psychologically train him to be mentally weak and dependent but physically strong. Because she has become psychologically independent, she will train her female offspring to be psychological independent as well. What have you got? You've got the nigger woman out front and the nigger man behind and scared. This is perfect situation for sound sleep and economics.


Yes we Blacks have learned our lessons well. But who taught the lesson? Who has perpetuated the social experiment known as race? And when do the architects and their offspring look at their legacy? In every major issue from sentencing, health-care, housing discrimination, lending discrimination, hiring discrimination, and quality of education we see Willie Lynch at work. White people will never as a group, admit how hundreds of years of punishing Blacks for being Black could effect the pshche. But let 2 teenage White kids, who've been bullied stage a school massacre and every White person struggles to understand what happened. But we've moved beyond race right?

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Brick Walls
Posted by: newcenturygyrl on Mar 25, 2006 4:18 PM   
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It's amazing that time and time again books, essays and conferences are held to try and heal the wounds left by Slavery in America, however the dialogue usually goes nowhere. At least in relation to giving non blacks a window into our human experience in America. I've simply, after reading this article and responses, chosen not to anymore. It seems as though people out there are blind and deaf. Blind and deaf to history and the present. So why continue to try and sway the masses? When we (as in black authors, scholars, ect) try to educate the masses on our struggles and inner struggles, try to reach out for a dialogue to work toward solutions it fails. Why it fails is as tragic as our history. Simply put non-blacks do not care. I believe that black educators, scholars and the like should use their knowlegde and personal experience and work in the black community to at a grassroots level to begin the healing and implement the ideas we need to save our present and our future. Some of you are (probably) by now shaking your heads wondering, what is she talking about?! This all comes from a feeling that's been building up inside of me and even people around me, that we as black people will never get full cooperation or understanding and solutions from any other group (namely whites), so why keep begging them to understand. Alternet doesn't need this article published for their readers, High Schools on the south side of Chicago need to photo copy this article and pass it out to their students, so they'll be urged to get the book. In the end it's about uplifting our people especially our youth. It's time for us to get empowered 60's style. I'm tired of hitting brick walls I'd rather plow through them. I care less if any other ethnic group understands or empathizes with the black experience. Once we accept that philosophy we can show white and the rest of America that we will not stepped on and over anymore. By the way in response to a earlier comment about about the history of the Irish, Jewish and Japanese struggles, it's quite interesting that in citing all these groups one thing they have in common is that they have equal disdain, bias and prejudice against blacks. I will not be politically correct I stand by the former statement and if we all look deep within ourselves we'd admit it's very true. Black people stop hitting brick walls...

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Et tu?
Posted by: YogiBear on Mar 25, 2006 6:49 PM   
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Many European Americans have a very hard time even hearing a person of color express their experiences. Common responses include "slavery happened a long time ago," or people saying that they're tired of being made to feel guilty about something they didn't do.

Probably some of them are genuinely prejudiced. Others are likely too conservative to accept that not all victims somehow caused their own problems. But the rest are probably sick of every dialogue on race grouping people who have always tried to fight bigotry in with those who have consistently turned away.

So many of these articles about race seem to start with some kind of message that even progressive whites need to know their place at the back of the room and not speak up in the face of blanket accusations and condemnations. "Keep quiet, it's not about you," folks said on another one of these threads. Problem is, when whites are being addressed as a racial group, it is about us. Only we're not supposed to say anything.

Dr. Leary says she doesn't want whites to feel guilty about the culture of opression, at the same time implying that there is something for us to be ashamed about. Progressives don't expect a pat on the back for trying to not be prejudiced. It's a lot easier than trying to not be prejudiced against. But we also don't need a knife in the back.

"Those who go to the back of the bus probably deserve the back of the bus."

— Martin Luther King Jr.

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Simplistic?
Posted by: blueneck on Mar 25, 2006 6:42 PM   
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While no one will deny the pervasive aspects of racism in society, from the interview (and this may be unfair as I have not read the book) it seems that attributing all the problems to residua from slavery seems overly simplistic. How can this explain the pernicious nature of single parent (female) homes, now only 30% of black children have two-parent families. From the end of slavery until up in the early 20th century this figure was 85%! The effects of slavery should have been much more prominent in those days. Now as a white, I'm not so arrogant as to propose a solution to black folks, but this is at the root of many problems today. Also at the turn of the century there seems to have been much less denigration of intellectual achievement (ie, "acting white" as is known today). Now there seems to be more glorification of the "thug life" Just seems to me like other factors must be at work also
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Pathetic
Posted by: jesme on Mar 25, 2006 6:58 PM   
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Being black doesn't give me any special insights into this issue; being a sane, functional adult is pretty much all I really need to call this the biggest load of crap I've read so far this year.

Black folks aren't cripples. We're people. Liberals love to portray us as helpless victims, and some of us buy into it. I don't.

The world's full of people who've been through far worse than most American black people. Refugees from death camps come to this country and prosper. Black people have trouble graduating from high school and blame the psychological trauma of life in America. It's the most idiotic crap I've ever heard and only a half-wit or a left-wing intellectual could ever take it seriously.

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The Greatest Evil of Racism Is The Denial
Posted by: mikespindell on Mar 26, 2006 9:09 AM   
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As a white Psychotherapist I read this article with interest and I certainly will buy the book. Many of the comments, however, ran all too true to form. Having lived long enough to have known the world before the Brown decision, Rosa Parks, Dr. King and Malcom X, I am heartened by how much progress has been made and saddened by how little understanding has taken hold.

The condition of Afro-Americans has generally improved if measured against the days of Jim Crow. However, the racism still palpably exists albeit underground or in coded statements whose meanings we all know, even if we won't admit it in public.

This is a condition known in psychology as denial. It is an individual's or groups ability to deny truths about themselves that are too painful or embarrassing to acknowledge. White America does realize that racism vis a vis Blacks is morally wrong and it is unacceptable within the precepts of our constitution.

At the same time many in White America still have fear and loathing in their hearts for those of different hue. They resolve this dichotomy by denying the present existence of racism. With this denial they can then
rationalize their prejudice by calling upon blacks to stop wallowing in their victimhood.

Adding to this denial is our news media. On one hand it purports to be color blind and on the other presents words and images that bolster an innately racist conception of Afro-Americans. The coverage of New Orleans presents a recent case in point. We were led by the media to believe that inside the Super Dome people were being robbed, raped and murdered. Afterward, without fanfare, we discovered that despite horrific physical conditions the people within behaved in an admirable fashion. We also can't forget the Black teenager with a bottle of coke being called a looter, while Whites with arms laden with groceries were said to be foraging for food.

The media provides imagery that forms the basis of most peoples conception of reality beyond their personal experiences. The media's image today is still a racist one, Black History Month and MLK's birthday notwithstanding.

Each individual Afro-American must approach life as if there were no racist barriers, or doom their futures to hopelessness. This is what seems to be advocated by this book as a solution, however, as a scholar the Professor provides context for her thesis. Her ideas and logic make sense to me, speaking as a liberal who is not laden with guilt, but is filled with chagrin at the continued prejudice that I see all around me.

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Historical stress or habit?
Posted by: anothername on Mar 26, 2006 9:54 AM   
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The comment Dr. Leary made about those in power looking down their noses at other people and saying that since they (the powerful did) not have the same experience the other people never had the experience either is not limited to treatment of African Americans. I am seeing it across America more and more and identify the issue not as one of divisiveness, but as one of selfishness.

There is a definite problem that the discussion of racism (or any other ism) distracts from more universal experiences by trying to identity the problems within context of an individual's historical identification. Although, it often is difficult to know if a particular situation is due to discrimination or to normal behavior.

As for the majority of Dr. Leary's thesis, I heard years ago that Blacks (dark-skinned people who came to America after slavery) view themselves as opportunistic rather than as victims, while African-Americans (descendants of slaves brought to or born in America) are more likely to see themselves as victims.

I also look at the power of the people in America with Hispanic/Latino/Mexican heritage and contrast that with the interaction of African-Americans/Blacks to whites. There is a vast difference between Puerto Ricons, El Salvadorans, Brazilans, and Mexicans in the U.S., just as there are differences between Chinese, Japanese, and Indian emigrants. Several of the people from these assorted lands that are in the U.S. behave differently based upon the cultures from where there ancestors came and the reasons they came to the U.S., reasons that range from economic opportunity, to feelings of entitlement, to family.

The children of Harriet Tubman and Sojurner Truth and all the other men and women who dared to take charge of their own lives and futures I do not imagine as being stressed today. That is not to say that they were not discriminated against or limited in their options, but I cannot see them as playing victims.

I still think back to the memorial for Rosa Parks that was held in the town where I now live. The white politicians spoke of politics; the male African-American preachers spoke of historic men who were black; the female African-American speakers spoke of the long line of women they admire. None of the speakers spoke about how the buses continue to be segregated, with money going towards operating mostly white commuter lines and left over money being directed to inner city neighborhoods where people often were African-American, did not own cars, and needed the buses to get to upwardly mobile jobs, stores, and political meetings.

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» RE: Historical stress or habit? Posted by: ALANHESTER
Bus
Posted by: benzene on Mar 26, 2006 12:22 PM   
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The other day my fiancee came home and told me what had happened to her on the bus that day. My fiancee is African American and Mexican, and she was sitting next to two older African American women. Then, an 86-year old white woman got onto the bus, walked up to the woman sitting next to my fiancee, got about 4" from her face, and said: "I'm 86 years old and you need to get up, give me this seat, and go to the back of the bus!" To make an otherwise long and frustrating story shorter, it ended with the other woman next to the woman who was asked to move getting up and giving the old woman her seat, who was apparently satisfied enough to remark "At least some people still know their place!".
If I was blind and deaf, perhaps, and unable to observe the ignorant nonchalance of my own generation, I'd be able to put stock in hope that racism will die out as the old people who grew up with it die.

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Thank You
Posted by: eastcoker on Mar 26, 2006 3:14 PM   
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White people do not understand the depth of the traumatization of Black people. They want to jutisfy and persecute black people for still suffering from the effects of slavery. Young black men, as you have stated, get dejected, and if they remain 'free', turn resentful, and poison themselves. This is the kind of book that needs to be taught in ***Every*** high school and ***every*** college. I am glad progress is being made.

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Brilliant
Posted by: Wildroots on Mar 26, 2006 7:11 PM   
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I've been waiting for someone to write this book for a decade. This subject has been approached from different angles in African centered research for a while. So it's important to have a book with this focus. Acknowledging trauma is not a victim's stance. It is the first step for healing. Glad it's getting attention. Can't wait to read the book.

wild roots

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» RE: Brilliant Posted by: ALANHESTER
None of you know what real racism is
Posted by: popsicle67 on Mar 26, 2006 9:23 PM   
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Till you weigh 300 pounds and try to interact with this society, I could give a fuck less what your color is. The truth is that all of the problems associated with racism pale in comparison to the systematic abuse and torture that overweight people suffer at the hands of you skinny, whining little fucks.

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» You are an idiot. Posted by: Scientz
GREAT!!
Posted by: greekTowner on Mar 26, 2006 11:21 PM   
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Pharmaceutical companies out to make a killing with another 3 or 4 letter "condition"

"If you suffer from PTSS, ask your doctor about ESCLAVIA...
...side effects include diarreah, stomach pain and mild headache..."

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» RE: GREAT!! Posted by: dlf
Amazing
Posted by: stormchilde1975 on Mar 27, 2006 6:04 AM   
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I hope the conservatives who swing by occasionally to deride this website for being a radical liberal echo-chamber are reading comments today.

The number of commenters who respond to the fact that a special brand of racism reserved for former slaves is in practice in America today with narcissism, ignorance and defensive derision is astounding. One expects this from the mainstream, but I find it surprising here.

Blacks in America are virtually cut off from the cultural approbation that most of the rest of us take for granted. They have to prove, every step of the way, that they are worthy of respect, that they are not manifestations of a stereotype. They have to work with people who view them as inherently ilegitimate and inferior. These problems are rooted in the fact that they are descendents of victims of American slavery - still living in the very same society that enslaved them. Their case is unique and doesn't bear comparison to other races or classes subjected to discrimination in America.

I'm not saying that blacks need pity or special treatment. Pity is useless to everyone except the pitier. What blacks need is respect and fair treatment (things we white-folk take for granted). They won't get them until we acknowledge that there is a real problem with our attitude toward our former slaves and start working to end it.

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Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome
Posted by: ptcruiser on Mar 27, 2006 10:12 AM   
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One of the postitive steps that black folks can take to address this issue is to simply give up white people. That is, give up thinking that the approval, disapproval, concerns, issues, viewpoints, criticisms by whites of blacks matters. I am not suggesting that black people deny or reject other people's humanity on the basis of the color of their skin but black people need to give up the notion or dream that most white folks in this country will ever quite get it at least with regard to the problems and issues of black Americans.

Look, for example, at the posts on this site that attempt to draw analogies between the experiences of, say, Italian and Irish immigrants and African Americans. Anyone with sense enough to come out of the rain could plainly see that the analogy is false in every respect. In addition, nowhere in the interview does Dr. Geary suggest or hint that any type of government sponsored social welfare program be created to assist blacks with this condition. Nonetheless, several posters, who may be in the minority here but whose views probably represent a majority of white Americans elsewhere, immediately raise the red herring of dependency as if black people need white people to take care of them.

African Americans need to stay focused on the fact that their views of the cumluative effects of 350 years of racial oppression outweighs the changes that occurred over the past four decades due to the end of state sanctioned racial segregation etc. Arguing with white Americans, whether they are well intentioned or not (and many are well intentioned) is pointless and futile. Dr. Geary is correct; that is, who we need to work on is ourselves. Maybe whites will follow, may be they won't but we have to stay the course and keep focused on our destination and salvation.

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Food for thought
Posted by: roland89 on Mar 27, 2006 2:49 PM   
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Think, would Jesse Owens have made such an impact if he was running with just darker skinned humans, he made an impact because he showed the world the major flaw in Nazi ideology on their home ground in front of the fuehrer (small caps for that megalomaniac). This had a profound effect that may never be fully comprehended at an important cross roads for humanity. The 100m sprint was the pinnacle of the Olympic games (fastest human on earth), Jesse demonstrated human beings can achieve great things regardless of colour. Add to this how he overcame great obstacles (imagine what it would of been like for him in a stadium full of organised extremists eyes piercing with hate, the US is bad at the mo, but Germany during the 30's woooh!) beating the people who had a huge home advantage. He was a inspiration to the generations that followed regardless of colour or any other divide, and without a doubt gave us all the most important sporting moment of the 20th century.


See the trick is to get you to see in "Black and White" instead of "Glorious Technicolour", as then you are sub-consciously buying into powerful stereotypes shaped over many years, that are out of your control. White is seen as "gentle, pure, inventive, passionate, intellegent and beautiful" and as Black is the opposite its' traits are "polluted, destructive, emotionless, ignorant and ugly". I know I come across naive saying drop the stereotypes but I have given this a lot of thought over many years, why I won't let people know what colour I am over the net is that it's not relivant, if your in touch with your empathic side you can relate to not only other humans but also life itself in its' many beautiful forms. As this subject shows we have all suffered (see peoples posts, "I've had it bad, you don't understand" is a regular theme here) and when we see others suffer around us it adds to our pain, slave masters didn't just dehumanize their slaves they also dehumanized themselves in the process.


This is why people who consider themselves to be White can be capable of some horrendous things and are often aloof with their comments to the point of mental illness. Conversely people who consider themselves to be Black can be capable of absorbing way too much hate and still be too self critical to the point of mental illness, if you think slave masters learnt techniques to break people you would be shocked at the realisation of the techniques systems of control use on whole populations, some now want to extend this across the globe. Your strengh can only come from you, you'll find no solice until you realise this, colour wise it's time we realised we're all shades of brown from light with a red tinge all the way through to dark with a blue tinge, your colour is as personal to you as your fingerprint, invent your own personal name for your shade or look at a colour wheel but please try and drop the Black and White.

Also read this> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Friedrich_Blumenbach
we can no longer sustain the stupidity of Race we have too much healing to do.

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Jesse Owens
Posted by: ptcruiser on Mar 28, 2006 6:09 PM   
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I neglected to add that we will not develop a genuine appreciation of Jesse Owens' accomplishments until we divorce what he did from Hitler, the Nazi Party and the Germans. Mr. Owens did not run and jump to disprove the already discredited theory of Aryan superiority. He ran and jumped because he could and because he wanted to be the best. He would have won four gold medals no matter where the Olympics were held.

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My goodness white people are tough.
Posted by: tussinup on Mar 31, 2006 6:19 PM   
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I've been hearing a lot of "get over it" talk from white people lately. I'm a white person by the way. I mostly hear it from the poorest of white people. Interesting because poor white people have not been doing too well either. All they have left is the hope that if they hang tough, toe the line, don't complain too much, they will be rewarded, as they have in the past, by remaining a notch above the Blacks. If all they've gotten lately is "Shut up and quit yer bitchin", it's no surprise that that's all they have to say to Blacks. Oh, is there such a thing a PSSTD? Yes of course there is. Do many other ethnic groups suffer from some similar problem. Yes. We live in a society that depends on coercion and fear. Most of us are trained to respond to those stimuli without even noticing their presence. To me it is obvious that the whole of western civilzation functions as one big dysfunctional family, held together by terror and denial. But hey, white people are tough and we ain't lettin' out a peep.

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