...why requiring a photo ID would serve to keep Black people from voting? It seems to me that it would serve to legitimize them, and not disenfranchise them.

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Movements require civil disobedience and risk taking. Movements create their own leadership. Movements tell the Hillary Clintons of the world, "We may hold our noses and vote for you, but we won't defer to you."

I agreed with Ms. Kimberley up until her conclusion. Movements do not require civil disobedience. Movements do not require leadership. And a movement doesn't advocate voting for candidates who doesn't support them.

Join The Lincoln Initiative a true grassroots movement with no leaders, no civil disobedience, no votes for candidates who don't support your view, no registration, no contributions, and no meetings.

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It should be clear by now that South Dakota politicians are throwbacks to bonk-women-over-the-head cavemen. These guys are about as religious as poisonous snakes zeroing in on their hot prey.

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I guess the editor of the Argus is afraid that if he takes a stand -- and I thought that, having worked for several newspapers, this is exactly what an editorial column is for -- then he will be subject to death threats by the wackos who have rolled back women's rights in South Dakota.

He should resign his post if he is unable to do his job -- or at least say why he is refusing to do his job: He's scared of being threatened by violent extremists who have now got the law on their side. Go sell shoes, Chucky-boy, that would be more your speed.

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Dear Margaret Kimberly:

I enjoyed your article, particularly how you interweaved your comments about the Sons of Conderate Veterans in North Carolina with the current sentiments (or "present-day yearnings") of the South Carolina legislature to turn back the clock on civil rights--an action that would have dramatic effects across the land, including such places as South Dakota and beyond. Yes, the "right tilting" Justice Department has empowere the state of Georgia to move in a direction that will further inhibit the civil rights of black Georgians. Other state house are moving, similarly. We are now moving into a rigorous period of "state rights." I pray to God that I am wrong.

Yes, I heard you challenging the country, but specifically challenging New York (City) to not succumb to the "tyranny of the political majority." Unfortunately, we (I live in Harlem) are in a city (similar to the country) that has lost its way.

Yes, we do need a movement, one involving civil disobedience and "risk taking."

Unfortunately, civil rights and civil liberties are not just in grave danger--but, they are, in fact, disappearing! The cases are too numerous to list here. Take what is occuring here in New York City. Have you ever witnessed a city--a black community--so dead and voiceless?

In any event, I am very open to a movement, but what direction does one take--where does one individual turn in this climate? I do hear YOUR voice. If things continue where we are, where will we be even at the end of this current president's term--that is, if we all (including the world) make it to the end of the idiot's (i.e., Bush) white house term?

Any suggestions?

Johnnie Walker
New York City: Harlem

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I wonder every day what it would take to get people out in the streets or something; you see how democracy worked in Ukraine (Ukraine!!!!-we're getting lessons in democracy from a former Russian republic) recently. Things look bad for democracy here in the US.

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As bad as it would be to take us back to the 1950's, the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that the real goal of the GOP is to return us to the Gilded Age of Robber Barons, the days of rampant, violent industrialization and exploitation - the 1880's.

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For far too long in this country we've lived with the idiocy that 'You can't fight City Hall'. BULLSHIT! Of the highest order.
There have been folks standing up since the begining of the Nation. Trouble has always been that folks will put up with alot of shit befor they act. By then reason has gone out the window and violence is the usual course. The Outraged have always been. For the gears of Tyranny grind always. What's happened is they became the 'Silent Majority'. Not because they have stopped speaking,far from it,their voices were simply drowned out by the clamor of high styled propaganda
and ad campaigns designed to disdredit and misslead.
Then you have Kent State, Chicago,Oakland,Watts, Detroit
and Berkeley. Allshining examples of how far the Govt,in it's corrupted form, will go to get their way. So a lot of folks kept their activism in close cirles and on the down low.
There has been several ideas and a platform or two printed on Alternet. These are steps in the right direction. It gets folks talking and let's you know you're not alone. We need to be getting together,talking,sharing a vision,finding those whom would be True Servants of the People. We have to step outside 'Image'. The greatest Leaders often don't wear suits,
have perfect hair,or a high society heritage.
The most important thing is that 'You walk your Talk'. If you say,like me, that if you were in Office you'd see to it that Bush and Co. are put behind bars for crimes against Humanity, your ass better do it. If you 're dangling the 'Peace Carrot' you damn sure better LIVE IT or the donkey's going to kick.
For far too long we've endured the 'I walk the walk and talk the talk' line. What this statement really means is' I'm going to say one thing and do another' It's sullen tree is the fruits we now eat. I for one am interested in uprooting this diseased growth and rebuilding the Garden you,me, and all of us deserve to live in. The folks that say 'We can do this' and the folks that say 'We can;t' are both right. You just have to decide who you are. AND ACT!!!!!!!

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Here's a look at the numbers for November, just so you down there can refresh yourselves that the task at hand isn't impossible, and really only as improbable as you decide to make it.

You only need to turn 15 to 18 (of 435) seats in Congress, and 5 to 7 (of 100) in the Senate (the ranges are due to the potential leanings of current independent and vacant seats). That's an overall maximum swing of less than 5%.

Under ordinary political circumstances this wouldn't be anywhere near undoable, even with so many (democrats too?) trying their best to convince you otherwise. But right now, with this corrupt mess of a supposed leadership, you've got perhaps the most important opportunity for progress in decades. It's just not going to get any easier, and if you don't take advantage you just might be hopeless - not an insult, I mean it literally.

As I've suggested before, it can be as simple as taking the risk to show your friends and family the truth, on Alternet or other progressive venues, and asking them to do the same - and maybe getting them to stop watching Fox.

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Nothing illustrates the widening chasm between red state and blue state Americans quite like the contentious issue of abortion. But when 1860 happens again, abortion won't be the reason.

If Roe versus Wade gets overturned, it won't be because a bunch of knuckle-dragging crackers want to keep women barefoot and pregnant. The courts will overturn that decision because they're no longer willing to believe such decisions ought to be made by them in the first place.

The last time I looked, the USA was a democracy. Whether you are for or against abortion, the real issue here is that this issue should have been decided at the ballot box and not by nine elderly unelected lawyers in black robes.

The Europeans have long since made their peace with the contentious issue of abortion, precisely because they resolved this issue through the political process. They voted on it, they all had a stake in the decision, and they knew they could always vote the other way if they changed their mind.

Roe versus Wade took this momentous decision away from the voters, and created a horrific backlash that we still live with. If the Supremes overturn this precedent, I believe the U.S. Congress will pass an abortion rights act the next day, as will three-fourths of the states.

When I read articles like this one I get the uneasy feeling that a lot of people in blue states trust the courts far more than they trust political process. Let me remind you, those who live by the courts will also die by them.

Frankly, when I talk to pro-choice people I get the distinct impression that they simply don't trust democracy when push comes to shove on their core issues. And that is truly a scary thought.

Democracy is our only real defense against the rise of a Hitler or a Stalin in this country. It may not be perfect, but it beats holy hell out of the alternatives.

The real danger of civil war ala 1860 returning to the USA comes from corporate abuse of the slave labor of undocumented aliens. These greedy bastards will not rest until all of us are wage slaves once again, just like we were in the 1880s before the labor movement finally started getting traction.

And let me remind you, one of the chief motivators for free laborers fighting for the Union from 1861-1865 was to keep the industrial revolution from turning them into the indentured servants of Andrew Carnegie and John D. Rockefeller.

The next civil war will pit disposessed American workers against their corporate masters, and will be brought on by the coming Great Depression.

Democracy is our only chance to avoid plunging over the cliff into the world of Mad Max.

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Hostile Takeover : How Big Money and Corruption Conquered Our Government--and How We Take It Back

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Congressman John Conyers stated, "Victory in the South Dakota case will give conservatives renewed momentum to challenge all the other freedoms we hold dear."

What's next the freedom they want to take away 'pursuit of happiness', the freedom of 'all men are created equal', the freedom of 'life and liberty', certainly not life. Life is required to promote the consumer society and legitimize voting machine manipulations.

It also occurs that publicans that have little privacy of their own would give up the freedom of privacy for the rest of us.

Not to mention that everyone of us must payback $35,000 just to get out of hock to the peccadilloes of this administration

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Margaret, you are so right on with this article!

We absolutely do need a movement that will sacrifice and take risks and that includes the risks and sacrifices of nonviolent civil disobedience! Right now there is movement but there is no Movement of opposition to the right wing takeover of the country, especially the federal court, federal bureaucracy, state department and both houses of congress. An accomplishment that took them over 30 years.

They are thugs, totally brutal and totally dishonest. "Ahm ona be a unahter not a dahvader." Remember that one?

Margaret is right. We need civil disobedience, non-cooperation (lots of guerrilla theater to abuse, confuse and ridicule the right), and at the same time reignite and feed the fires that sustained us in the civil rights wars,invironmental fights, anti-nuke movement (remember the nuclear free zone petitions?) Anti-MX fights, peace in Central America. Women's reproductive rights anyone?

Many issues that encouraged and supported each other. For a while looked like things were gonna get better. Well, we got mugged by the right. But we cant give up the fight. We gotta re-build and re-ignite
if we want bring some light
into this dark night!

Please forgive me for the bad poetry.

Go Margaret!

Go all you brothers and sisters out there who give a shit!

Joseph

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The people will only curtail the erosion of their civil and political rights as long as these limitations do not inconvenience them. For women in South Dakota, that time is now. For the rest of us, it's still a looming threat. However, neither the women of South Dakota nor the rest of the America is going to take it lying down. The day some representative of our government comes to my house to arrest me for exercising my Constitutional rights is the day someone is going to get killed. This attitude is very simple and very widespread among us, as you know. So let them try. They will find out, as in Iraq, that they have bit off more than they can chew.

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The Civil War in the United States began when the Supreme Court made the decision to empower George W Bush. We are a country divided and the lines of division form many boundaries. Freedom of Speech, Womens Rights, Domestic Spying, and Corporate Welfare are only but a few of the problems upon which our citizenry can not agree. This will continue for years to come and the current climate in Washington will see to it. They want Us to be divided. Division of the people is the very thing that keeps our inept Leaders in power.
The Author of the article talks about taking a stand, but also, apparently advocates tossing your vote to a candidate you don't believe in simply to maintain party line, or to exercise your right to vote. Personally I'd rather vote for a real rat than most of the rats currently sitting in Washington.
The fact of the matter is none of the problems we are talking about will arouse the American people to join in unison to eject these failed leaders from power. There is, however, one item that will rally Us all together leading to change in our system. That item is money, or should I say the lack of it. When the American people enter the next DEPRESSION, they will finally open their eyes to the waste the Bush Administration has generated during the last five years. We will suddenly realize that $400 Billion would have been better spent fixing domestic problems, like roads, levees, and schools. We will become a kindler, gentler nation, because we will be forced to. We will realize that cell phone addiction, roadrage, and outsourced jobs are all symptoms of a much greater disease that has plaqued this country for years.
Americans will join together when the money in our wallets disapears or when the money in our wallets is worthless.

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The government has got most of you right where they want you: with 'just enough.'

Just enough to get to work the next day.
Just enough to get to sleep at night.
Just enough to think you can still make a change with your vote.
Just enough to make you scared shitless that any risk you take will leave you worse off.

People must realize that they also have just enough left to fight *with.* You will fight when you have nothing, that is sure. The trouble is... you'll be utterly powerless then.

Perhaps none of you should pay your taxes. Or you should declare a general strike? There is power in numbers, but these actions require LARGE numbers. Still, I'm convinced it could be done with the right leader.

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Utter sixties rubbish. We don't need the kind of degenerate leaders who once brought us apologies for stalinism, maoism. We don't need the kind of leaders who were hippies in the 60s, me generation in the 70s, and yuppies in the 80s. Total hypocrites. Bush is pretty good at identifying what the problem. He is not so good as a manager. So lets get some good managers. But we don't need Naomi Klein-like leaders fomenting revolution while stuffing their bank accounts (she is a multi-millionaire).

Want to do something? Help the war effort. Knit a sweater, back a cake, fuck a soldier. I don't know, but do something better than undermine them and shit all over the sacrifices so far to keep you safe and warm.

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First, ignore the right-wing poster above. They should simply be requested to pack their bags for Iraq or Iran or for whatever war their Great leader directs them to. End of "discussion".

As for

"We need a movement -- one that will loudly proclaim our refusal to go along with right-wing fantasies of time travel to the 1950s."

why do neither the Black Commentator nor the replies here note the key role of the Democratic Party - all along the line - in assisting the Republicans in formenting these right-wing fantasies?

The latest, most glaring example was the leading role played by Democrats in the orgy of racist Arab-bashing surrounding the Dubai Ports incident. But at least they helped to expose the actual impetus for their Middle East war drive: not oil nor dollars, but pure unadulterated imperialist race hate is the "reason" in a style very close to the Nazis or the Klan. Post-Dubai Ports, this realization has even seeped into the neo-liberal (neocons without the politics) press outside the US, although the race hate is gingerly referred to as "vengeance", a euphemism no doubt familiar to students of the segregationist Old South.

Immediately before that there was the spectacle of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and many other Democrats banging the drums for a war of aggression against Iran - if you thought Iraq was bad, wait until this one starts up!

The Democrats only take action when they see that they can move to the right of the Republicans on any issue - and they are not opportunistically "pretending" to move to the right - they are moving to the right!

The US Left has to wake up to the fact that the entire so-called US "mainstream" is in total thrall (old Norse for 'slave') to Far Right politics and ideology. It is therefore quite misleading and distracting to point to a few isolated marginal crazies in N. Dakota or "neo-Confederates" in Georga, etc. Today's Selma, Alabama lies somewhere between New York City and D.C., sorry to inform you. The real "neo-Confederates" and their dupes are in control of almost all key institutions of the American political regime: all three branches of the Federal Gov't, the corporate media (including PBS), the Federal Reserve (where Greenspan once sneeringly dismissed initial estimates of $200 billion for the Iraq War as 'the upper edge of estimates' - how wrong he was, yet this guy is worshipped as some sort of miracle-working god), both political parties, who should actually be combined and named simply, "The Neocon Party", because as Chris Matthews said, "We're all neocons now!"; and even more, they are making progress in roping in the traditional national security bureaucracy and the western European NATO countries - as Richard Perle, the Grand Imperial Wizard of this New Crusader Confederacy if there ever was one, in fact predicted when he stated, "we need only act, and the rest will follow".

We are witness to a historic political realignment of the entire so-called "First World" and some Eastern European and Japanese "white wannabes" under the leadership of a Far Right politics that - mark these words! - will outlast George Bush

Happily, as Zbigneiw Brzezinski of all people has recently noted, we are on the cusp of a "great populist upsurge", especially in the so-called Third World, as significant as those of the French and Russian Revolutions. It is the job of the US left to align itself with this emerging revolutionary wave. That means it must openly and clearly _dealign_ with the Democratic Party, and communicate that same message to the tiny minority of holdouts in the political regime such as Barbara Lee and John Conyers, who will never amount to anything in their present positions.

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The entire Union is being held hostage by the same states that lost the Civil War. The common perception is that we can't elect a Northerner or a Westerner, it's got to be a Southerner. Well I am tired of the bigots and rednecks from the rural South, or the rural anywhere, deciding for the rest of us what is going to work in the rest of America. Maybe, we should retroactively give them the victory in the Civil War and let them go off on their own.
The folks in Louisiana are justifiably upset that they are not getting the relief they expect. Well, I am sorry, but the state of Louisiana went for Bush, what did they expect?
I think it incredibly ironic that rural America is so entrenched with the Republican Party when it was Roosevelt and the Democrat Party that saved their farms and their regions from just flat going bust. And now the Republicans would like to gut the very programs that saved these people. They need to be reminded of that now.

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Let South Dakota have it's law. Then let New York setup an office in Pierre that offers to pay free airfare to NY to any woman needing an abortion. Then let the crackers in South Dakota try to stop them!
I want to shake it up. This is an aggressor nation, and it would be good for the people of this world to have it split apart. Take out 50% of the people and the tax money and suddenly George Bush and the neocon dream of world conquest looks even more difficult.

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As long as the vote is being electronically subverted this article mean jack sh_ t NOTHING.
Good points till the end though.
WAKE UP FOLKS!

listen, listen
the cat is a pissin
run, run
get the gun
too late, he's done

snooze ya loose I guess!

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"It has become more common in recent years for some white Southerners to openly wax nostalgic for the days when their ancestors fought and died to preserve slavery."

"The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern states."

Charles Dickens, 1862

"The war between the North and the South is a tariff war. The war is further, not for any principle, does not touch the question of slavery, and in fact turns on the Northern lust for sovereignty."

Karl Marx

When asked "Why not let the South go in peace?" President Abraham Lincoln replied: "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?"

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In the 60’s we witnessed the total destruction of two sister cells. How did it happen? They where infiltrated. As the last cell of resistance we had to set back and rethink our objectives. We came to the conclusion that we could accomplish more by infiltrating the opposition just as they had done to us. I commend every one here who looks to the Glory of Custer’s last stand mentality of what you’ll do when they come for you, but the infiltration has worked for the past 40 years in our area of resistance. What ever you choose as your battlefield I strongly suggest you Infiltrate and start the slow wasting away of your opposition .
AlienSlave

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Important to take back Congress from the REPUBS this midterm. Help someone register to vote and take them to the polls to vote. Best to register Independent, if possible, because the DEMS have not shown much SPINE, as we must admit, and it might make a POINT.

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Republican state Sen. Bill Napoli described the only instance in which he thought abortion would be justifiable.

"A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life."

I have read that in a couple of places -- finally an author who recognizes just how sick Napoli is! It sounds like he is enjoying the idea of some poor girl having to go through such an ordeal -- it isn't just that he is setting the price of an abortion pretty damed high, it is that he expects to get his pound of her flesh himself by imagining her torment! If she is only a religious virgin who isn't sodomized as bad as you can make it, she doesn't qualify? I shudder.

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Wait. I'm confused. Is there really a connection between abortion and civil rights? Do I really need be concerned (as one poster puts it) that we are returning to the days of robber barons or slavery? You would think that any rational citizen (of which there are few here) would be concerned with issues of greater import than abortion and its impact? on civil rights. Don't we have greater issues like the abomination which is the American tax code or with the taking of personal property for private use as stated by the liberal majority on the U.S. Supreme court? I guess I shouldn't be so confused.....after all this is a left wing whacko forum.

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The comment about "those who live by the courts, die by the courts" is so sad. The judiciary is supposed to be the 3rd tier of our government.
Instead, what we have today is a ruling of our entire country by the old Southern aristocracy, led by the Bush oil family, oilman Cheney, CEO Rumsfeld and a judicial court made up of a few old moderates appointed by older, less rigid administrations, and the new neocons.
We really do have a clash of cultures. For the first time I watched a documentary called "Cheeleader Nation". It was videoed in Texas.
Pampered, beautiful high school girls focused on nothing but their cheerleading team. The parents were desperate for their daughters to be popular and denied them nothing. One of the daughters hated her doting mother and would not speak to her. It is doubtful that anyone of these girls or their families ever gave one moment of thought for the War in Iraq, Hurricane Katrina, our spiraling debt, but I am sure they would vote to overturn Roe v Wade. And if one of those "lil gals" needed an abortion, daddy could find the best physician to perform the abortion for a hefty fee.

It isn't the concept of our judicial system that is bad. It is the caliber of judges that have a neocon agenda who are willing to turn back the clock on all of the progressive gains made throughout the past 100 years. It is a culture that accepts a George Bush, a president who either lies to us or is too confused to know that his entire presidency has been a disasster, a president that seems incapable of making one intelligent decision.

It is sad that our nation was torn apart by the Civil War only to have a large number of the people in the Red States think the rest of us are evil because we are not part of the Southern Baptist Churches.

No, Hillary Clinton isn't great, but compared to Bush, Cheney, Frist, Rumsfield, et. all, or any Republican running against her for the NY Senate Seat, she is the better choice. Deep inside she still might be a real Democrat.

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I saw a bumper sticker recently that read "do"nt want abortion? then do"nt have one".You see,what it really boils down to is the fact that people won"t have a choice.If Americans knew more about our own history,then they would quickly realise that any small amount of freedom that we have gained in this country has been hard won.Americans should read the biography of Mother Jones,who fought to protect laborers in this country,many of whom were children,from the brutality of some of the most powerful men in America.They should also read the bio of that great political populist senator from Louisiana, Huey P. Long.Real Democracy is an ongoing ,all-inclusive process.Not a sound bite.

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First of all,welcome to the forum of wackos.Charmed I'm sure.We all have concerns about many different issues and abortion is a civil liberty that may not seem that important to you,but believe me, it's important to a lot of other people.The loss of this choice for women in one state just insures that there will be more to come.More loss, as we've already seen of not only the right to choose what to do in regard to your own body,but, the right to peaceful assembly, the right to legal representation,the right to read what you want.In short,a total loss of protection under the constitution.I don"t care what a persons political affiliation is,if they are"nt upholding the constitution then they don"t deserve our support.

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