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Rachel Corrie: Too Hot for New York

By Philip Weiss, The Nation. Posted March 18, 2006.


Why has a New York theater company backed off from producing a celebrated play about the moral awakening of a young American activist?

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The slim book that was suddenly the most controversial work in the West in early March was not easy to find in the United States. Amazon said it wasn't available till April. The Strand bookstore didn't have it either. You could order it on Amazon-UK, but it would be a week getting here. I finally found an author in Michigan who kindly photocopied the British book and overnighted it to me; but to be on the safe side, I visited an activist's apartment on Eighth Avenue on the promise that I could take her much-in-demand copy to the lobby for half an hour. In the elevator, I flipped it open to a random passage:

I can't cool boiling waters in Russia. I can't be Picasso. I can't be Jesus. I can't save the planet single-handedly. I can wash dishes.
The book is the play My Name Is Rachel Corrie. Composed from the journal entries and e-mails of the 23-year-old from Washington State who was crushed to death in Gaza three years ago under a bulldozer operated by the Israeli army, the play had two successful runs in London last year and then became a cause celebre after a progressive New York theater company decided to postpone its American premiere indefinitely out of concern for the sensitivities of (unnamed) Jewish groups unsettled by Hamas's victory in the Palestinian elections.

When the English producers denounced the decision by the New York Theatre Workshop as "censorship" and withdrew the show, even the mainstream media could not ignore the implications. Why is it that the eloquent words of an American radical could not be heard in this country -- not, that is, without what the Workshop had called "contextualizing," framing the play with political discussions, maybe even mounting a companion piece that would somehow "mollify" the Jewish community?

"The impact of this decision is enormous -- it is bigger than Rachel and bigger than this play," Cindy Corrie, Rachel's mother, said. "There was something about this play that made them feel so vulnerable. I saw in the Workshop's schedule a lesbian play. Will they use the same approach? Will they go to the segment of the community that would ardently oppose that?"

In this way, Corrie's words appear to have had more impact than her death. The House bill calling for a U.S. investigation of her killing died in committee, with only seventy-eight votes and little media attention. But the naked admission by a left-leaning cultural outlet that it would subordinate its own artistic judgment to pro-Israel views has served as a smoking gun for those who have tried to press the discussion in this country of Palestinian human rights.

Indeed, the admission was so shocking and embarrassing that the Workshop quickly tried to hedge and retreat from its statements. But the damage was done; people were asking questions that had been consigned to the fringe: How can the West condemn the Islamic world for not accepting Muhammad cartoons when a Western writer who speaks out on behalf of Palestinians is silenced? And why is it that Europe and Israel itself have a healthier debate over Palestinian human rights than we can have here?

The death of a writer

When she died on March 16, 2003, Rachel Corrie had been in the Middle East for fifty days as a member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM), a group recruiting Westerners to serve as "human shields" against Israeli aggression -- including the policy of bulldozing Palestinian houses to create a wider no man's land between Egypt and then-occupied Gaza. Corrie was crushed to death when she stood in front of a bulldozer that was proceeding toward a Palestinian pharmacist's house. By witnesses' accounts, Corrie, wearing a bright orange vest, was clearly visible to the bulldozer's driver. An Israeli army investigation held no one accountable.

Corrie's horrifying death was a landmark event: It linked Palestinian suffering to the American progressive movement. And it was immediately politicized. Pro-Israel voices sought to smear Corrie as a servant of terrorists. They said that the Israeli army was merely trying to block tunnels through which weapons were brought from Egypt into the occupied territories -- thereby denying that Corrie had died as the result of indiscriminate destruction. Hateful e-mails were everywhere. "Rachel Corrie won't get 72 virgins but she got what she wanted," said one.

Few knew that Corrie had been a dedicated writer. "I decided to be an artist and a writer," she had written in a journal, describing her awakening, "and I didn't give a shit if I was mediocre and I didn't give a shit if I starved to death and I didn't give a shit if my whole damn high school turned and pointed and laughed in my face."

Corrie's family felt it most urgent to get her words out to the world. The family posted several of her last e-mails on the ISM website (and they were printed in full by the London Guardian). These pieces were electrifying. They revealed a passionate and poetical woman who had long been attracted to idealistic causes and had put aside her work with the mentally ill and environmental causes in the Pacific Northwest to take up a pressing concern, Palestinian human rights. Thousands responded to the Corries, including a representative of the Royal Court Theatre in Sloane Square, London, who asked if the theater could use Rachel's words in a production -- and, oh, are there more writings? Cindy Corrie could do little more than sit and drink tea. She had family tell the Royal Court, Give us time.

It was another year before Sarah Corrie dragged out the tubs in which her sister had stored her belongings and typed passages from journals and letters going back to high school. In November 2004 the Corries sent 184 pages to the Royal Court.

It had been the intention of the two collaborators, Alan Rickman and Katharine Viner, a Guardian editor, to flesh out Rachel Corrie's writings with others' words. The pages instantly changed their minds. "We thought, She's done it on her own. Rachel's voice is the only voice you had to hear," Viner says. The Corrie family, which holds the rights to the words, readily agreed. Rachel Corrie was the playwright. Any royalties would go to the Rachel Corrie Foundation for Peace and Justice. The London "co-editors" then set to work winnowing the material, working with a slender blond actress, Megan Dodds, who resembles Corrie.

A year ago the play was staged as a one-woman show in a 100-seat theater at the Royal Court. The piece was critically celebrated, and the four-week run sold out. Young people especially were drawn to the show.

My Name Is Rachel Corrie -- the title comes from a declaration in Corrie's journal -- is two things: the self-portrait of a sensitive woman struggling to find her purpose, and a polemic on the horrors of Israeli occupation.

The work is marked by Plath-like talk about boys -- "Eventually I convinced Colin to quit drowning out my life" -- and rilling passages about her growing understanding of commitment: "I knew a few years ago what the unbearable lightness of being was, before I read the book. The lightness between life and death, there are no dimensions at all…. It's just a shrug, the difference between Hitler and my mother, the difference between Whitney Houston and a Russian mother watching her son fall through the sidewalk and boil to death…. And I knew back then that the shrug would happen at the end of my life -- I knew. And I thought, so who cares?… Now I know, who cares…if I die at 11.15 p.m. or at 97 years -- And I know it's me. That's my job…" As the work grinds toward death, Corrie's moral vision of the Mideast becomes uppermost. "What we are paying for here is truly evil…. This is not the world you and Dad wanted me to come into when you decided to have me."

'Mollifying' the opposition

The show returned last fall to a larger theater at the Royal Court, and sold out again. Most viewers tended to walk off afterward in stunned silence, but some nights the theater became a forum for discussions. Rickman or Viner or Dodds came out to talk about how the show had come about.

The Royal Court got bids from around the world, including a theater in Israel, seeking to stage the production. But the priority was to bring the show to "Rachel's homeland," as Elyse Dodgson, the theater's international director, says. At bottom, Corrie's story feels very American. It is filled with references that surely escaped its English audience -- working at Mount Rainier, swimming naked in Puget Sound, drinking Mountain Dew, driving I-5 to California.

The New York Theatre Workshop agreed to stage the show in March 2006. But by January the Royal Court began to sense apprehension on the Workshop's part. "I went to New York to meet them because I didn't feel comfortable about what they were saying," Dodgson says.

The Workshop was evidently spooked. Its artistic director, James Nicola, spoke of having discussions after every performance to "contextualize" the play, of hiring a consultant who had worked with Salman Rushdie to lead these discussions and of hiring Emily Mann, the artistic director of the McCarter Theatre in Princeton, New Jersey, to prepare a companion piece of testimonies that would include Israeli victims of Palestinian terrorism.

"We've had some brilliant discussions, we told them, but the play speaks for itself," Dodgson says. "It is expensive and unnecessary to have that after every single performance. Of course we knew some of the hideous things that were said about Rachel. We took no notice of them. The controversy died when people saw that this was a play about a young woman, an idealist."

Dodgson was further upset when a Workshop marketing staffer, whom she won't name, used the word "mollifying." "It was a very awkward conversation. He said, 'I can't find the right word, but "mollifying" the Jewish community.' It shocked me."

Corrie's connection to the International Solidarity Movement was politically loaded. The ISM is committed to nonviolence, but it works with a broad range of organizations, from Israeli peace activists to Palestinian groups that have supported suicide bombings, which has been seized on by those who want it to get lost.

At the heart of the disagreement was an insistence by supporters of Israel that Corrie's killing be presented in the context of Palestinian terror. And that specifically, the policy of destroying Palestinian homes in Gaza be shown to be aimed at those tunnels -- even though the pharmacist's house Corrie was shielding was hundreds of yards from the border and had nothing to do with tunnels. One person close to NYTW, who refused to go on the record, elaborates: "The fact that the Israelis and such were trying to bulldoze these houses was not due to the fact that they were just against the Palestinians, but the underground tunnels, ways to get explosives to this community. By not mentioning it, the play was not as evenhanded as it claims to be." Another anonymous NYTW source said that staffers became worried after reading a fall 2003 Mother Jones profile of Corrie, a much disputed piece that relied heavily on right-wing sources to paint her as a reckless naif.

Just whom was the Workshop consulting in its deliberations? It has steadfastly refused to say. In the New York Observer, Nicola mentioned "Jewish friends." Dodgson says that in discussions with the Royal Court, Workshop staffers brought up the Anti-Defamation League and the mayor's office as entities they were concerned about. (Abe Foxman of the ADL visited London in 2005 and denounced the play in the New York Sun as offensive to Jewish "sensitivities.") By one account, the fatal blow was dealt when the global PR firm Ruder Finn (which has an office in Israel) said it couldn't represent the play.

In its latest statement, the Workshop says it consulted many community voices, not only Jews. These did not include Arab-Americans. Najla Said, the artistic director of Nibras, an Arab-American theater in New York, says, "We're not even 'other' enough to be 'other.' We're not the political issue that anyone thinks is worth talking about."

The run had been scheduled for March 22-May 14. Tickets were listed on Telecharge in February. But the Workshop had not announced the production. According to the Royal Court, Nicola at last told them he wanted to postpone the play at least six months or a year to allow the political climate to settle down and to better prepare the production. The Royal Court took this as a cancellation. The news broke on February 28 in the Guardian and the New York Times.

The Times article was shocking. It said the Workshop had "delayed" a production it had never announced, and reported that Nicola had been "polling local Jewish religious and community leaders as to their feelings." Nicola was quoted saying that Hamas's victory had made the Jewish community "very defensive and very edgy…and that seemed reasonable to me."

The Red Sea parted. Or anyway the Atlantic Ocean. The English playwright Caryl Churchill, who has worked with both theaters, condemned the decision. Vanessa Redgrave wrote a letter urging the Royal Court to sue the Workshop. At first, the New York theater community was quiet.

Enter the blogosphere, stage left. Three or four outraged theater bloggers began peppering the Workshop's community with questions. Whom did the Workshop talk to? Why aren't theater people up in arms? Garrett Eisler, the blogger Playgoer, likened the decision to one by the Manhattan Theater Club to cancel its 1998 production of Corpus Christi, a play imagining Christ as a gay man -- a decision that was reversed after leading voices, including the Times editorial page, denounced the action.

The playwright Jason Grote circulated a petition calling on the Workshop to reverse itself. Signers included Philip Munger, a composer whose cantata dedicated to Corrie, The Skies Are Weeping, also had experienced politically motivated cancellations. The young playwright Christopher Shinn spoke out early and forcefully, saying the postponement amounted to censorship. "No one with a name was saying anything," says Eisler. "And Chris Shinn is not that big a name, but he is a practicing theater artist whose name gets in the New York Times."

A 'ghastly' situation

By the time I visited the Workshop, a week into the controversy, it was a wounded institution. Linda Chapman, the associate artistic director, who had signed Grote's petition, said she couldn't talk to me, because of the "quicksand" that any statement had become. The Workshop had posted and then removed from its website a clumsy statement aimed at explaining itself. Playgoer was demanding that the opponents of the play come forward and drumming for a declaration from Tony Kushner, who has staged plays at the Workshop, posting his photo as if he were some war criminal.

In an interview with The Nation, Kushner said that he was quiet because of his exhaustion over similar arguments surrounding the film Munich, on which he was a screenwriter, and because he kept hoping the decision would be made right. He said Nicola is a great figure in American theater: "His is one of the one or two most important theaters in this area -- politically engaged, unapologetic, unafraid and formally experimental." Never having gotten a clear answer about why Nicola put off the play, Kushner ascribes it to panic: Nicola didn't know what he was getting into, and only later became aware of how much opposition there was to Corrie, how much confusion the right has created around the facts. Nicola felt he was taking on "a really big, scary brawl and not a play." Still, Kushner said, the theater's decision created a "ghastly" situation. "Censoring a play because it addresses Palestinian-Israeli issues is not in any way right," he said.

The Royal Court came out smelling like a rose. It triumphantly announced that it was moving the Megan Dodds show to the West End, the London equivalent of Broadway, and that it couldn't come to New York till next fall.

The Grote petitioners (519 and counting) want that to happen at the Workshop, which itself was reaching out with another statement on the matter, released on the eve of the anniversary of Corrie's death. "I can only say we were trying to do whatever we could to help Rachel's voice be heard," Nicola said. The cut may be too deep for such ointment. As George Hunka, author of the theater blog Superfluities, says, "This is far too important an issue for everyone to paper it over again, with everyone shaking hands for a New York Times photographer. It's an extraordinarily rare picture of the ways that New York cultural institutions make their decisions about what to produce."

Hunka doesn't use the J-word. Jen Marlowe does. A Jewish activist with Rachelswords.org (which is staging a reading of Corrie's words on March 22 with the Corrie parents present), she says, "I don't want to say the Jewish community is monolithic. It isn't. But among many American Jews who are very progressive and fight deeply for many social justice issues, there's a knee-jerk reflexive reaction that happens around issues related to Israel."

Questions about pressure from Jewish leaders morph quickly into questions about funding. Ellen Stewart, the legendary director of the theatrical group La MaMa E.T.C., which is across East 4th Street from the Workshop, speculates that the trouble began with its "very affluent" board. Rachel's father, Craig Corrie, echoes her. "Do an investigation, follow the money." I called six board members and got no response. (About a third appear to be Jewish, as am I.) This is of course a charged issue. The writer Alisa Solomon, who was appalled by the postponement, nonetheless warns, "There's something a little too familiar about the image of Jews pulling the puppet strings behind the scenes."

Perhaps. But Nicola's statement about a back channel to Jewish leaders suggests the presence of a cultural lobby that parallels the vaunted pro-Israel lobby in think tanks and Congress. I doubt we will find out whether the Workshop's decision was "internally generated," as Kushner contends, or more orchestrated, as I suspect. What the episode has demonstrated is a climate of fear. Not of physical harm, but of loss of opportunities. "The silence results from fear and intimidation," says Cindy Corrie. "I don't see what else. And it harms not only Palestinians. I believe, from the bottom of my heart, it harms Israelis and it harms us."

Kushner agrees. Having spent five months defending Munich, he says the fear has two sources: "There is a very, very highly organized attack machinery that will come after you if you express any kind of dissent about Israel's policies, and it's a very unpleasant experience to be in the cross hairs. These aren't hayseeds from Kansas screaming about gays burning in hell; they're newspaper columnists who are taken seriously." These attackers impose a kind of literacy test: Before you can cast a moral vote on Palestinian rights, you must be able to recite a million wonky facts, such as what percentage of the territories were outside the Green Line in 1949. Then there is the self-generated fear of lending support to anti-Semites or those who would destroy Israel. All in all, says Kushner, it can leave someone "overwhelmed and in despair -- you feel like you should just say nothing."

Who will tell Americans the Middle East story? For generations that story has been one of Israelis as victims, and it has been crucial to Israeli policy inasmuch as Israel has been able to defy its neighbors' opinions by relying on a highly sympathetic superpower. Israel's supporters have always feared that if Americans started to conduct the same frank discussion of issues that takes place in Tel Aviv, we might become more evenhanded in our approach to the Middle East. That pressure is what has stifled a play that portrays the Palestinians as victims (and thrown a blanket over a movie, Munich, that portrays both sides as victims). I've never written this sort of thing before. How moving that we have been granted that freedom by a 23-year-old woman with literary gifts who was not given time to unpack them.

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Philip Weiss is the author of American Taboo: A Murder in the Peace Corps.

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Life imitates art?
Posted by: Ed Lammers on Mar 18, 2006 1:05 AM   
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Wonderful article reporting this yet-another manifestation of the right-wing's control over everything including our thought processes and artistic expressions. In a rare public arena, this dispute illustrates the age-old conundrum of life imitating art or vice-versa. Since the time I was old enough to think about it, it has puzzled and troubled me that this is a political discussion we can not even have, i.e. the continued military and unbelievable level of financial support of Israel's state sponsored terrorism against its neighbors. Would that any politician had the courage of Rachel and demonstrate that on the floor of our Congress. How can we be against the Holocaust and for other equally obvious inhumanities? I personally believe that if we cut off aid to Israel, then middle-east and Arab terrorism directed at us would dry up, oh and get our dumb militaristic ass out of there.

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» RE: Life imitates art? Posted by: mortart
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» "Zionist" "Pro-Israel" Posted by: Evan Derkacz
» RE: "Zionist" "Pro-Israel" Posted by: mythbuster
Rachel Corrie was not a prop for the right wing!
Posted by: jnc306 on Mar 18, 2006 5:02 AM   
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You notice how the right wing are against abortion or against pulling the plug on the brain dead. Why would they not be up in arms about Rachel Corries death? Because it would not help them. And how is it that Israel has so much influence over our country? I think I know why Hilliary is kissing up to them. But why the rest? Do they have that much power? Why? You would think that the opposition to Israel would know how to organize like they do. Copy everything they do. But I say the same thing about the Democrats too. Why don't they fight the repubics the same way? Also, the only talking head that I have any respect for is Keith Obermann. I hope that he has some of these anti abortion blond repubiclan women on. He can ask them point blank if they have sex out of wedlock, if they use birth control etc. What would they do if raped and inpregnated, and found that the baby would be totally deformed etc. What would they do? Would they keep it? Raise it themselves? Since their rich, they probably would have someone else take care of it. I wonder what Nancy Reagans day was like. Do you think she ever wiped his bu__? I am sure they will lie though. But then, maybe Keith could follow up and ask if the guest could sign an oath that they would never ever get an abortion, unless their life was in jeopardy. My guess is they won't sign, because even if they did, these low lifes have enough money and connections to do it on the sly. Sort of like the fat radio guy who hates druggies but gets his house keeper to get drugs for him. Although some repubics, I think, signed oaths not to run for reelection again, but changed their minds.

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:-(
Posted by: rolfen on Mar 18, 2006 5:26 AM   
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Who cares about politics. This is an horrible death and I cannot express my feelings.

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» Spanky: You refute yourself. Posted by: mythbuster
» RE: Spanky: You refute yourself. Posted by: Tedrmurrow
» RE: Spanky: You refute yourself. Posted by: Tedrmurrow
» RE: Spanky: You refute yourself. Posted by: Tedrmurrow
Rachel Corrie
Posted by: domenico234 on Mar 18, 2006 5:33 AM   
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Beautifully written, heart-breaking article.

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Stephen McArthur
Posted by: Stephen McArthur on Mar 18, 2006 5:39 AM   
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Part of the problem with discussions about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the jabberwocky of anti-Israel propaganda. If we are against the Holocaust, then how can we be for the Jewish holocaust against the Palestinians? It is this use of utterly incomparable historical events that obfuscates and blurs the facts and realities about a conflict that in no way resembles the slaughter of 6 million Jews by Nazism. The Zionism equals Nazism comparison eradicates whole centuries of history and huge events of recent history that have served to make this conflict much more complex than the simple jargon of knee-jerk leftist critiques can ever hope to convey.

Using Rachel Corrie as a tool and cat's paw in an anti-Israel propaganda war does not serve Rachel's main purpose in what she did and spoke about- namely, working for peace.

Simplistic views about the Middle East, whether it is Iraq or Israel is what has gotten us into trouble. The left deserves more thoughtful, disciplined analysis than these wornout mantras.

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» You misread it entirely Posted by: brunowe
» No, this was not misread Posted by: peritonlogon
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The bit about the American Jewish community is wrong.
Posted by: wli on Mar 18, 2006 5:42 AM   
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The American Jewish community does not blindly support Israel. The powerful lobbies mentioned are not representative of majority opinion, and even a fair chunk of Israelis disagree with their own government's policies, not that you'll ever hear that anywhere.

Of course, once you're stuck explaining that there's a difference between disagreeing with the Israeli government's policies and straw men about dismantling the country of Israel or anti-Semitism, you're at an immense disadvantage, and have lost the argument except in rare arenas of rational debate. This is essentially why all rational discussion about Israeli government policies are doomed, not to mention anything that even touches on them.

I've written trying to rationally discuss anything about Israel off as hopeless, and I have a notion there are more important things to worry about. For instance, there appears to be an international criminal syndicate that's taken over a large fraction of Western governments through their intelligence agencies, including the US' and various NATO members' (c.f. Gladio and Rollback).

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Gosh, golly, gee, you make it sound as if there's a war going on.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 18, 2006 6:48 AM   
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One cannot get in the middle of someone else's war without taking sides, and that means participating in the war.

The Workshop has lost its opportunity to be heroic, unlike the Royal Theater. Most of us pass up opportunities to be heroic everyday. Rachel Corrie didn't. So she has something to teach us.

My personal experience was that when I was being attacked, maliciously, by American Nazis, it was only the Jews who understood this Christian's plight. I fought back through the courts and won-lost. Yeah, I got a favorable judgment, and that upped the attacks. Not leaning to the heroic, I upped and moved.

As one who was willing to step on toes and pay the price, I do not advocate that others do the same. "Let's you and him fight" is the mark of a sickness.

I found no easy answers, even while I've always been looking for them

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» We've always been here. Posted by: Sojourner
Memory Eternal!
Posted by: eastcoker on Mar 18, 2006 8:16 AM   
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Rachel Corrie is my sister in arms. What a shining example of humanitarian activism. I am glad her story has not been forgotten. May this play go around the globe.

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» AGREE 10,000% eastcoker Posted by: Michiganman
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Let us Grieve Out Loud
Posted by: the islander on Mar 18, 2006 8:42 AM   
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Let us grieve out loud and let that be our praise of Rachel Corrie.

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» My grief for 'victims of Islam' Posted by: peritonlogon
'Nuff said!
Posted by: Voicedude on Mar 18, 2006 9:25 AM   
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Who cares about politics. This is an horrible death and I cannot express my feelings.

Actually, I think your cute emoticon says it all!

lol

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KILLING RACHEL CORRIE TWICE
Posted by: meddaddy on Mar 18, 2006 9:41 AM   
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Why was the play about Rachel Corrie in NY cancelled, I thought Netenyahoo
said in congress they hate us because of our "FREEDOM".
Our masters are pushing the envelope too much.
I urge people to gather self courage to read Rachel's Emails arranged by date
untill the day she was crushed by israeli soldiers, they are out there on the internet.
here is a glimpse if you dare, but then a gain it is easier to watch fox news hypnotizers
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story
/0,2763,916299,00.html

Today israeli soldiers killed a 10 year old palestinain girl,
think of how many palestinian Rachels have to die before we get de-hypnotized

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» Thanks for the link! Posted by: peritonlogon
Oh that liberal media...
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Mar 18, 2006 10:01 AM   
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Yup, that liberal media just hits the right wing again and again. They just can't get a fair shake. Oh that liberal liberal media is just sooooooo......liberal. Geez. This story is chilling. You know that if you did follow the money, at some point (fairly early on the money trail) you'd be stonewalled. Dreadful. Well Rachel, you are not forgotten.

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Juliet Wittman
Posted by: juliet on Mar 18, 2006 10:08 AM   
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Hanan Ashrawi was invited to speak in Boulder, Colorado, in September, 2002, and several Jewish spokespeople tried (unsuccessfully) to block her visit. "PLO's former flack comes to Boulder" was the headline in the local weekly. These people insisted that they were not attempting to exclude the Palestinian point of view from public discourse; it was just that Ashrawi's visit was poorly timed--too close to the anniversary of September 11, right before Yom Kippur. Now I read that the community in New York doesn't intend to censor the Rachel Corrie story, but the timing is bad because of Sharon's illness and the Hamas election victory. As a Jew, it shames and infuriates me to hear such dishonest and manipulative reasoning, along with endless assertions of victimhood from those claiming to speak for the Jewish people. Anti-Semitism is a terrible and persistent virus in the bloodstream of the world. But to use it as an excuse to oppress another people is unconscionable.

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rover
Posted by: Roverton on Mar 18, 2006 11:29 AM   
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To alow a child to perish for any reason, whether State or Religion - is a profound madness. A trillion explanations will not undo that.

We've completely abandoned a generation of young humans.

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OK, lets all join hands...
Posted by: chasaturn on Mar 18, 2006 12:42 PM   
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...and pray that the good earth scours this human race from the planet. Just think, no more war, no more famine, no more lies, especially no more lies, no more corrupt CEOs, no corporations to reward them, and no more Republicans. I hardly think a single tree would mourn, nor any fish, birds, rocks, rivers, clouds and sky, nothing. That's what we have become. Nothing.

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» RE: OK, lets all join hands... Posted by: Asses of Evil
Mortart
Posted by: mortart on Mar 18, 2006 1:15 PM   
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I am an old-fashioned liberal who opposes the Iraq war and the bulk of the Bush Administration's economic and foreign policies. But I am puzzled that what you call the "progressive American movement" allies itself with the Israel-bashing "movement" and depicts Israel's efforts to survive in the face of a hostile Arab/Muslim world as evil while failing to condemn anti-Israel terrorism. As for the unfortunate Ms. Corrie, she was a naive idealistic young woman who was in over her head (as Mr. Bush is in the White House) while trying to do a good deed in a world she knew nothing about.
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London Review of Books on Israel lobby
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Mar 18, 2006 2:40 PM   
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Just learned of this article via Informed Comment. Havent' finished it all and of course much of this is known, but it captures the size and scope of the US interest in promoting Israel at great cost to security, stability, and peace in the Middle East. When you read it, the travesty of nixing a play critical of Israel's behavior toward Palestinians is revealed in sharp relief.

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O Israel, A Blight onto all the Nations of the World
Posted by: pjrsullivan on Mar 18, 2006 2:53 PM   
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To understand why Israel was created in the first place one would need to go no further than the English terrorist Imperial motivations.

If there is such a thing as a concentration of evil within in this world, one would need go any further than London to find it.

The London based Anglo-Zionist terrorist network is still hoping that they can destroy us all with nuclear weapons before we all awaken to their hideous and evil intent for humanity.

The genocidal cannibal behavior that has moved with us through space and time, is embodied into the hearts and the minds of the Zionists. They are trapped within their "Animal Primitive" ways. Our destruction in a thermonuclear conflagration, is part of their ancient and self fulfilling prophecy "Armageddon, and will finally prove that they indeed are Superior to all of us.

What is somewhat revealing in the case of Rachel Corrie, the Zionists are aware that their poop stinks, and any thoughts about their simple predator behavior will unravel their supposed power structure. Mere discussion of the murder of Rachel, frightens them, much less a play about her life.

The control of the dialogue is what the Zionists understand as the key to whatever power they possess. Their plots to destroy humanity in a genocidal war of nuclear extermination, may send many of them to mental health clinics for treatment of their personality disorders that continue to menace the human race.

Their continuous nasty behavior combined with their continued attempts to exterminate the mass of the human race with nuclear weapons, will hopefully lead to their undoing, and hopefully it happens before they get these nukes exploding over our heads.

On the positive side, the Anglo-Zionist nuclear war criminals have been so, so bad, that they have brought the "Gods" from somewhere in outer space into our world. These "Gods" known usually a "ET" do not want us destroyed with nuclear weapons, and instead of selecting a new strategy, the Anglo-Zionist terrorist network have in affect told the "Gods" to go to hell, they have nuclear weapons and they are finally going to burn the human race up.

The "Gods" have clearly Damned and Condemned our nuclear war fighting criminal classes; they are found out and they, instead of the "Gods," must now go.

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» Spanky69 Posted by: theou
RE: Speaking truth to pwer
Posted by: Allison on Mar 18, 2006 3:56 PM   
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The Left celebrates the deaths of military members because those deaths hurt America; they move the American public against the war.

This idea is one of the most pernicious lies the Limbaughs and O'Reillys of your country have put forward. Nobody except the insurgents and terrorists are "celebrating" the deaths of US soldiers. Everybody I know feels every death in Iraq is awful - each dead person has a family and friends who suffer terribly whether they be from Iraq or the USA (or, indeed, the other countries who have lost a few there). Your claim is just a myth, a pure slander against the anti-war movement.

It’s so condescending when you tell me I only joined because I’m poor (I’m middle class), or I’m stupid (I graduated with honors from a state university).

Nobody's saying YOU joined for those reasons. But some do. The military is a great way to get a job and start a career and nobody faults people with limited opportunities from making that choice.

I joined because I love America.

The leftist movement and jihadi’s have one, the military and American people have another.

The two sides of your mouth are saying different things. The fact that you not only deny the patriotism but also the very citizenship of those who disagree with you politically actually DOES make me question if you understand what your military is supposed to protect. Not unquestioning loyalty to your country, but freedom and democracy. The freedom to disagree with YOU is included in that package, I'm afraid.

America isn't just a flag, it should be a lot of other things you just crapped all over. Even I can see this from above the 49th parallel.

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» RE: Speaking Truth to Allison Posted by: kelly.nickell
RE: Speaking truth to power...
Posted by: Captainmagic on Mar 18, 2006 4:16 PM   
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Peoples all around the world do love their children...no matter who they are no matter what language they speak...peoples cherish their children. They know that.....there are many stories to tell,....the truth is somewhere in the middle...and those that have lost there children are without and are grieving....Who takes their children, and for what purpose they have been taken for, should be a matter that is close to our hearts. Let us see and hear of Rachels words....Iraq is for Iraqs peoples.... the U.S. has destroyed much of it, but will ultimately be thrown out by the Iraq peoples...and you won't have to go and fight there for the sake of your children....I felt just as you feel and said mostly the same as you have written, a long time ago....... But then I grew up.

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"Speak Power to Truth" you mean.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 18, 2006 5:33 PM   
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As a mercenary, whether you like it or not, you work for me. As a tax payer and citizen voter, what you are doing is supposed to be in my interest, as I am paying your way in Iraq. It's not in my interest.

No one is surprised to hear someone who's been trained by the military claiming that "He likes it. It's the way things ought to be." That's what you've been trained and paid to believe. If it happens to be sincere, I am glad that you will have to do what you are ordered to do, because there's nothing real about the world you apparently live in.

My people fought in WWII, in Korea, and in Vietnam. I can take you to their graves. When I told them that I was out in the streets protesting Vietnam, the ones who survived, said, "Keep it up. That's what we prayed for hunkered down in our fox holes."

I've never been in combat, so I do not judge those who are. And until you have been in combat, I suggest you have a lot to learn.

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WOW spanky get your gun...
Posted by: Michiganman on Mar 18, 2006 8:29 PM   
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and head on over to iraq. It always amazes me when coward armchair warriors applaude the death of our troops over an oil war, while they sit in their homes eating choco-poo.
pitiful

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Are soldiers' opinions worth more?
Posted by: YogiBear on Mar 18, 2006 8:59 PM   
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Corrie wanted to stop an Israeli bulldozer from demolishing a tunnel Arabs used for smuggling explosives into Israel.

The Palestinian terrorists were using tunnels, but certainly not every house had a tunnel! The IDF was simply being pragmatic by bulldozing every residence within tunnelling distance. Perhaps you wouldn't mind if, in response to a home being used by drug dealing gangs on your street, the cops boarded up or tore down every house on the block.

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RE: Speaking truth to pwer
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Mar 18, 2006 9:31 PM   
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Wow, why are you here Spanky69 if you disrespect us so much?

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RE: Speaking truth to pwer
Posted by: cold2touch on Mar 18, 2006 9:34 PM   
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Oh, so you are a man of the truth but no power? Curled up in a fetal position inside your Bradley Fighting Vehicle while the mean, powerful Rachel Corrie stalks outside. So where is your truth when it comes to truthily supporting troops? Stand proud and salute cutbacks to VA treatment options because Halliburton's bottom line can't afford it. Just say, Yes to torture, to wholly unregulated spying on any and all "American citizens" that you proudly claim as being on your side, as opposed to "Lefties" who by your definition cannot be American citizens (Why, American citizens are only those who vote GOP). Ever read polls? If you did, you'd know that American Citizens of The Spanky Kind are down to 35% of the total. What else are you ready to piss on besides bodies of murdered kids, Constitution, yes? Just a goddam piece of paper, in words of your Commander In Chief. You are supporting the troops with your middle finger, Spanky the Halliburton mascot.

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RE: Spanky69 - censorship, that's what this article is about
Posted by: saywhat? on Mar 19, 2006 7:41 AM   
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with a name like spanky69 you think that you'd be more interested in porn sites, well keep up your good logic, but soon you'll have to change your name - your right wing friends won't like it - how about changing your name to "Pureinnocence?"

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RE: believing right-wing lies
Posted by: antiapathy on Mar 19, 2006 8:14 PM   
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do really believe these things? why are you reading and posting on alternet?
You obviously have no respect for human life. Please don't come back.

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RE: Speaking truth to pwer
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Mar 19, 2006 8:23 PM   
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Spanky, you need to be honest, destroying the tunnel seems to have been a secondary consideration.

If a group of Mexican soldiers drove a D-8 into southern Arizona and demolished a few houses in the process of looking around for a tunnel that is in California, do you think it would piss off
A. Arabs.
B. Lefties.
C. Mexicans.
D. Jews.
E. Bob Marley.
If a young girl is killed for having the nerve to dive under the tracks, do I
A. Shoot the bulldozer.
B. Shoot the girl.
C. Shoot the Lefties.
D. Shoot Everyone.
E. Piss on the bulldozer because it is really blue, not yellow.

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RE: Speaking truth to pwer
Posted by: demidesigrrl on Mar 20, 2006 1:07 AM   
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All I can say to the vile and violent dung you have been spewing on this thread, Spanky, is "uck".

The horrible death of Rachel Corrie has had the misfortune to bring a thousand people like you scurrying out of their comfortable holes to voice your anonymous hatred upon the Internet. I've seen it before... I can only say that I am still shaking my head over it. I really don't understand. Without trying to be patronizing, I guess I can only ascribe your utter lack of humanity to an abysmal ignorance that is founded upon a dearth of books and a surfeit of Fox News and other TV pablum. How very very sad, that people like you, by purporting to represent America, only reflect and magnify the utter contempt in which the rest of the world holds you.

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Not a Right Wing Thing
Posted by: BOR on Mar 18, 2006 5:26 PM   
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This issue goes well beyond the usual left - right political divide. Many "right-wingers" were and are very sympathetic to the Palestinian struggle and very appreciative of brave young people like Rachel Corrie, though we may differ with them on many other issues. Rush and Sean and O'Reilly do NOT speak for genuine, old-time conservatives, who detest the Iraq War, the hideous Bush administration, and the neo-conservative drive for constant warfare in the name of "democracy." It's easy for the right to bash the left and for the left to see the "right wing" behind everything they don't like. The reality is more complicated than that, and we all lose if we don't go beyond easy labels.

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link not working
Posted by: phindrup on Mar 18, 2006 6:13 PM   
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story
/0,2763,916299,00.html

this link is not working

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The land of the free?
Posted by: phindrup on Mar 18, 2006 6:46 PM   
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That a theatre in New York censors a play illustrates just how bad things have gotten in the US.
Israel at one time had both my sympathy, and respect. That was long years ago when I had friends who went of and did their 2 years on a kibbutz.
Over the last twenty years my sympathy has totally evaporated. The horrors of the Holocaust do not excuse the Jews their excesses against the Palestinians, it makes them so many times worse.
If a people who were brutally repressed cannot learn to emphasise with others who they are now oppressing, then they are bereft of all humanity.
The Palestinians are fighting their occupiers and oppressors. They fight with what little they have. Only those who believe that the Israelis have an absolute right to take whatever they fancy can see Palestinian resistance as ‘evil’.
Before those inclined to rush in with derogatory labels respond, in the area in which I lived, and was heavily involved in the community, for the past eleven years I was considered by many to be ‘an extreme right winger’.
I went to a meeting 400 kilometres up the coast and was afterward described by the district police commander as ‘a left wing trouble maker from the south’.
In both cases I was simply working to compel councils to operate within the law.

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She succeeded in her mission
Posted by: Shaman on Mar 18, 2006 11:06 PM   
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She came to protect the "paletsinian" terrorist and terrorist supporters by acting as human sheild. And thats exactly what she did.
She stood in front of a bulldozer to stop it, and she stopped it, the human sheild that she was. The fact that the sield was destroyed in the process is secondary.
Also, the fact that the bulldozer operator didn't notice her is of no importance at all.
I call on all her supporters to follow in her footsteps and go and serve as human shields . Take the bullets for them. They deserve you and you deserve to die for them.
The only problem is you will not go to heaven. Only Muslims can.

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» I would say -- YES! Posted by: qrswave
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The Israel Lobby strikes again
Posted by: sausage on Mar 19, 2006 6:20 AM   
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In a nation supposedly devoted to freedom of expression, when the voice of non-governmental commercial censorship thunders, whether it be threat of boycott by a special interest group or withholding of revenues by a well-heeled corporate sponsor, even the bravest non-profit organization quails, and like the whipped cur licks its master's hand. So New York City's Israel Lobby, with a raise of its eyebrow, has censored "My Name Is Rachel Corrie."

In the Prostituteocracy that is the United States, where gold in all its metophorical forms, from "charitable" donations to stock dividends, the mere threat of the withholding of funds from a theatrical group that survives on crumbs thrown its way by wealthy donors elicits the wanted chilling effect.

In this case it was powerful members of the Israel Lobby, in their guse as members of the greater Jewish community, threatening commerical censorial action. And, predictably, a New York Theatre Workshop pimp, i.e. marketing staffer, shit his pants, when faced with the merest hint of a lose of funding, and licked the hand with the whip.

As with everything in this pronutopia, freedom of espression only comes through the power of the purse.

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» Wow. thanks for the info! Posted by: qrswave
Fabulous article
Posted by: qrswave on Mar 19, 2006 8:13 AM   
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thank you so very much for writing it!

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Why depend on professional theatre to share Corrie's story?
Posted by: paulabwatkins on Mar 19, 2006 10:25 AM   
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I plan to buy and read "My Name is Rachel Corrie."

I plan to buy and give multiple copies of "My Name is Rachel Corrie" to family and friends, to local public and academic libraries, and to Northern Utah drama companies.

What can you do?

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» "What can you do?" Posted by: qrswave
Rich vs poor
Posted by: WitchyNy on Mar 19, 2006 10:27 AM   
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Very well done-article.

It is the same old story. The rich vs the poor.
And many American Jews are now rich.... they have become Nazis.

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» no palestinians Posted by: nedwylie
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Tactical Mistake
Posted by: cephalis on Mar 19, 2006 11:23 AM   
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I think that American Jews who loyaly support Israeli policies are making a tactical mistake in siding with the Bush Administration on the continued prosecution of the war in Iraq. Public support for this misadventure will only continue to deteriorate and when it is over, there will be a residual antipathy for those who cheered for this fiasco. They will be perceived as traitorous pariahs who, for a very narrow foreign interest, caused great injury to the nation that has nurtured them. No longer will they be able to wrap themselves in Old Glory and proclaim themselves American patriots.

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Petey
Posted by: Petey on Mar 19, 2006 2:02 PM   
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The furore surrounding the play My Name Is Rachel Corrie (which I saw at The Royal Court in London) reminds me of an incident nearly twenty years ago when the production Perdition by the playwright Jim Allen was cancelled by this same theatre after strong lobbying by Jewish groups. The play which was accused of being anti-Semitic was nothing of the kind. It related the story of the transport to Nazi death camps of thousands of working class Jews whilst elite Zionist groups were permitted to leave the country. The issue was 'class' not 'religion' but the Zionists succeeded in persuading The Court to cravenly withdraw the production which to this day has failed to receive a proper staging - merely a few rehearsed readings. This kind of lobbying has to be resisted and I deplore the decision to pull the production My Name Is Rachel Corrie which is a fine piece of work. If people wish to stage a play which celebrates the life of Israeli victims of suicide-bombers - fine, who is objecting? I wish it every success and would not dream of trying to prevent it being seen.

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To Spanky69
Posted by: Rod from Canada on Mar 19, 2006 7:10 PM   
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After perusing all of your contributions here (at least about half of the commentaries, I think) I wonder, have you got nothing better to do with your time than plunk yourself in front of a computer? And given the logic and reasoning which you have demonstrated throughout, I would suggest that the fact you graduated with honours (or claim to) from a universityi is a rather sad commentary on the standards, or lack thereof, of the American educational system.

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» I concur. Spanky, please. Posted by: stormchilde1975
» George W has a Masters Degree Posted by: may261989
Israel
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Mar 20, 2006 7:43 AM   
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Israel is the most powerful country in the world. Who else could irradiate 100000 children and get away with it?

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» Who else? Posted by: stormchilde1975
» RE: Who else? Posted by: shel
Pancake Corrie
Posted by: conet on Mar 20, 2006 9:06 AM   
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I defend the First Amendment, artists are free to create whatever they wish.

Poor Corrie was a misguided idealogue.

Too bad she was defending the wrong people in the wrong way.

Perhaps she should have spent her time as a health care worker for the Palestinians, or an educator.

Or she could have protested the misogyny faced by Arab women, or defended the homosexuals who are put to death in Arab society.

Why wasn't Corrie meeting with Arab nations to demand they assimilate their Palestinian brothers and sisters instead of locking them in Arab concentration camps for three generations?

I feel for her parents, they never taught their daughter truth.

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» Revolting Posted by: stormchilde1975
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Poor Rachel Corrie
Posted by: goldbeme on Mar 20, 2006 12:15 PM   
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It is a pity that the NYTW canceled the play out of cowardice. However, we should not forget three things: the first is that Rachel Corrie should have been in Darfur, where hundreds of thousands of blacks are being raped, tortured, and killed by Arabs; or in Mauritania where black Africans are enslaved by Arabs.
The second is that the Palestinians are the victims of their own people, who refused to absorb them after they lost the war. Remember that the Israelis agreed to a partition of what was the British Mandate, and the bulk of the refugees left expecting to return behind victorious Arab armies. It didn't work out. Instead of absorbing the refugees, the Arabs let them fester in refugee camps in Gaza, the West Bank, and Jericho. As many Jews left Arab countries as Arabs left Israel in 1948 - but the Israelis took care of their own. Even the Germans took care of their refugees, absorbing the refugees from the Sudetenland and East Prussia, 12 million of them. There are no Sudeten refugee camps in Germany. Then, in 1967, the Arabs threatened war again, and lost again. This time the Israelis occupied Gaza, the Sinai, and the West Bank assuming they could barter land for peace. The Egyptians ultimately agreed, and got the Sinai back - but the Egyptians refused to take back Gaza! The third is that Israelis have given back Gaza and would give back the West Bank in a minute if there were a real peace, and a sincere commitment by the Arabs to live forever in peace with Israel, without dreaming of ejecting the Israelis from the land that they abandoned.

Because freedom of expression is an American tradition (as opposed, say, in the Palestinian Authority, where voicing support for Israel is a good way of getting yourself killed), NYTW should run the play. But don't forget that it is the story of a misguided girl, who misunderstood the historical context of the struggle in which she so stupidly attempted to intervene.

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» RE: Poor Rachel Corrie Posted by: theou
Just posting a point of view....
Posted by: ladycplum on Mar 21, 2006 4:58 PM   
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taken from the Jewish Virtual Library, from a section entitled "Myths and Facts". Just remember this comes from a Jewish website, so those who are in Ms. Corrie's corner will probably find it paints her in an unflattering way:
American Rachel Corrie was killed in the Gaza Strip on March 16, 2003, when she entered an area where Israeli forces were carrying out a military operation. The incident occurred while IDF forces were removing shrubbery along the security road near the border between Israel and Egypt at Rafah to uncover explosive devices, and destroying tunnels used by Palestinian terrorists to illegally smuggle weapons from Egypt to Gaza. Corrie was not demonstrating for peace or trying to shield innocent civilians, she was interfering with a military operation to legally demolish an empty house used to conceal one of these tunnels. A misleading photo published by the Associated Press gave the impression that Corrie was standing in front of the bulldozer and shouting at the driver with a megaphone, trying to prevent the driver from tearing down a building in the refugee camp. This photo, which was taken by a member of Corrie’s organization, was not shot at the time of her death, however, but hours earlier. The photographer said that Corrie was actually sitting and waving her arms when she was struck. Israel’s Judge Advocate’s Office investigated the incident and concluded that the driver of the bulldozer never saw or heard Corrie because she was standing behind debris that obstructed the view of the driver whose field of view was limited by the small armored windows of his cab. An autopsy found that the cause of Corrie’s death was falling debris.
The State Department warned Americans not to travel to Gaza, and Israel made clear that civilians who enter areas where troops are engaged in counter-terror operations put themselves unnecessarily at risk. This was not the first time protestors have tried to obstruct Israeli operations, and the IDF has made every effort to avoid harming them. This case received worldwide publicity in large measure because it was the first such incident where a protestor was killed. In fact, the army had told Corrie and other demonstrators from the anti-Israel International Solidarity Movement (ISM) to move out of the way. “It’s possible they [the protesters] were not as disciplined as we would have liked,” admitted Thom Saffold, a founder and organizer of ISM.
“No matter how you turn the question, Rachel Corrie's death Sunday is a tragedy....But Corrie's death is no more tragic than the deaths of other young people—some of them young Americans who had traveled to Israel— ho died in bombings committed by Palestinian terrorists. They're also worth remembering this day. However you feel about Corrie's actions, whether she was a martyr or misguided, she at least made her choice. Palestinian terrorists didn't give the young people killed in their bombings any choice in their deaths. That, it seems to us, is another kind of tragedy for these young Americans and their families.” — OregonLive.com
I now have this to say. I agree with the small portion of the OregonLive.com article posted near the end of the larger piece. Yes, her death was tragic, and I hate to sound callous, but the phrase "You made your bed, now lie in it" comes to mind. And yes, both Muslims and Jews have had their share of persecution over the years, but who were the ones who were singled out and slaughtered during the Holocaust? Where were their choices? At the same time, who were the ones shooting guns in the air and rejoicing when the Twin Towers fell? I think Alan Rickman should be bronzed and put on display when he passes, but I would not go see this play for free if given the chance. Rachel Corrie is not a martyr. I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just posting my opinion, I would hope that anyone who responds to my post will try to respect it, as I will yours.

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» RE: Just posting a point of view.... Posted by: kelly.nickell
» and....... Posted by: ladycplum
» list of wrongs Posted by: nedwylie
Who will teach Americans the truth about our ME policy?
Posted by: katinmn on Mar 22, 2006 10:59 AM   
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Looks like Rachel Corrie is. And in such a round about way.

It's very pleasing to see this terroristic act and efforts to censor it being discussed in the Nation and on hundreds of discussion boards.

For more information:
London Review of Books, cover date 23 March 2006
The Israel Lobby
John Mearsheimer
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

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read
Posted by: ladycplum on Mar 22, 2006 12:56 PM   
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http://www.jerusalemdiaries.com/article/83

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And this too:
Posted by: ladycplum on Mar 22, 2006 12:58 PM   
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Maybe, just maybe, Rachel Corrie knowingly aided and abetted cold-blooded murderers.

Many of you will probably call me naive and roll over having belly-laughs. It took me long enough, right?

When Corrie died more than a year ago, it was no great stretch to suspect that she and others who converged on Israel’s territories knowingly supported terrorists. There was certainly no proof and it was just as difficult to figure out any hard connection. ...

The raid on Rafah brings new facts to light indicating that Corrie and other ISM members had to know they were aiding and abetting terrorists, if they were not participating in terrorism themselves.

The 23-year-old Corrie, who traveled more than 8,000 miles from Olympia, Washington, was run over by a bulldozer when she tried to block the vehicle from demolishing a house in Rafah - a house where she had been staying. The Israeli military ruled that this was an accident and ISM members accused the driver of murder even before the military could investigate the incident.

It may pass the “reasonable person” test that these ISM’ers knew very well they were helping terrorists. What would a reasonable person conclude?

Consider: The Israeli government revealed that 90 weapons-smuggling tunnels were constructed between the Egyptian border and Rafah. At least some of these tunnels were known to end underneath the homes in Rafah.

With 90 tunnels running underneath Rafah, there must have been lots of suspicious activity. Corrie and her friends would have had to be blind not to notice.

First, there are the tunnel connections underneath the homes. ISM’ers who stayed with Gazan families might have seen the tunnels themselves, or they at least spotted people going back and forth from the basement of the home. During deliveries, people would have been hauling the goods out of the homes. Maybe Corrie herself did some heavy lifting.

The weapons then had to be transported somehow. Vehicles appear to be the natural choice. They would have had to be driven to the tunnel entrances and the weapons would need to be loaded onto the trucks.

Would you wonder about this kind of activity if you were personally on the scene?

Wherever ISM members mingled and even lived among Gaza and West Bank Arabs, it is possible that many of these Arabs were terrorists or helped the terrorists by feeding and housing them. The ISM’ers could have been at gatherings where they were introduced to suspected terrorists, heard stories about violent activities or noticed otherwise suspicious activity.

Actually, there is not only evidence, but proof of ISM aiding and abetting terrorists. When terrorists seized a church in Bethlehem, a few ISM’ers smuggled food to them.

If you put it all together, a reasonable person must conclude that the ISM members knew they were aiding and abetting terrorists.

The instant that it dawned on any of them that they might be helping terrorists was precisely the time for them to end their involvement. That’s what a sincere and honorable person would have done.

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» Yogi Posted by: ladycplum
Ok I give up
Posted by: ladycplum on Mar 22, 2006 7:31 PM   
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I'm pulling a Rodney King out my butt. Can't we all just get along? No???? Agree to disagree???? Alright, let's take Randy Newman's advice..."let's drop the big one, and pulverize 'em."

Or we could always pull out all Americans from the Middle East, in combat or not, withdraw all Israeli support, arm every one of them, and let em have at it themselves.

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» Don't give up! Posted by: nedwylie
» RE: Don't give up! Posted by: ladycplum
» RE: Don't give up! Posted by: nedwylie
The Hype Becomes Reality For Those Who Need It To Be
Posted by: mikespindell on Mar 23, 2006 8:07 AM   
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I could care less whether this play was produced or not produced. I'm for the right of people to express themselves.

Nevertheless, while the right of free speech should be absolute, this right extends to all sides of political discourse. The pressure that led to the prevention of the play's being performed is also a form of free speech. That I, or anyone else, disagrees with those who are attempting to stop the play's production is irrelevent. This is a matter of who's ox is being gored.

The sad reality of all political discourse is that martyrs make for great symbolism. All the weeping for Poor Rachel is just so much crocodile tears as she is used symbolically to push a cause forward. In this sense she is little different than the poor, benighted children who are convinced to strap on explosives and blow themselves out of existence. As a father of daughters, my sadness for Rachel is an empathy for her parents who have lost a beloved child. As a supporter of Israel's right to exist, at the same time disliking the Likudniks, I nevertheless feel empathy for parents of the suicide bombers and for the meaninglessness of their deaths.

In reading all of the comments posted here and as an avid follower of the entire issue, I am struck by some observations:

-Those that favor the Pseudo-Palestinian cause will in their political fervor symbolically weep for every person's death and martyrdom on their side of the equation, while assiduously ignoring the death and destruction meted out to innocents on the other side.

-Their "humanitarian instincts" don't exist for the other side
because they basically deny Israel's right to exist as a Jewish State. This is where their hatred of Zionism comes in. They are of course uninterested, or neutral, on the issue of the multiplicity of Muslim (and/or Christian) States.

-Their credulity for the propaganda produced on the Arab side of this equation is boundless, while their distrust of
Israels position is likewise limitless.

-They are adept at offering Israeli/Nazi comparisions, without taking responsibilty for the underlying anti-Jewishness of this position. Anyone who compares the Israeli's to the Nazi's either does so out of partisanship, cynicism, naivety or hatred.

We all tend to look for evidence that bolsters our beliefs and pre-judgments. I am affronted, however, by the smug self-righteousness of some progressive partisans of the Arabs and the underlying prejudice of some of their comments. Naively, I expect all progressives to rise above pre-judjment of any issue, but cynically I know that being on the right side doesn't neccessarily make for enlightenment.

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» RE: Asses of Evil comments.....too Posted by: mikespindell
» RE: Asses of Evil comments.....too Posted by: Asses of Evil
Freedom of speech is alive and well
Posted by: ladycplum on Mar 23, 2006 11:56 AM   
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Unless you're a Conservative Caucasian, of course.........

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I will say, I do feel pity for her
Posted by: ladycplum on Mar 23, 2006 1:14 PM   
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It does seem like there are some factions on both side of the coin that seem to be using her work and her memory as pawns to further their own aims, belittling what she believed in for their own personal gain.

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*Waves the white flag*
Posted by: ladycplum on Mar 23, 2006 6:37 PM   
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Well, it's obvious that despite freedom of speech (Or, as Ice-T so brilliantly put it, "Freedom of Speech, just watch what you say", or Sebastian Bach "Whoever said this place is the Land of the Free, you're a liar,") I'm fighting a losing battle.
As I said in my very first post, I did not enter this debate/discussion/whatever to start a fight. But I will say that perhaps I did come in somewhat one-sided and for the wrong reasons. There's a damn good chance I probably wouldn't have known and/or cared who Rachel Corrie was had I not been such a ridiculously huge admirer of Alan Rickman. Hell, I even voted for the play and all involved in the Theater Goer (spelling?) awards, which the play swept in all categories it was nominated for. I did so blindly because of guess who???
I guess what got me, I don't know, fired up over the subject was my renewed interest in the academic/personal study of the Holocaust in recent weeks. I've watched Schindler's List, purchased several books of eyewitness accounts, seen pictures and read horror stories of what was perpetrated during those years. I guess it made me feel extremely pro-Jewish/Zionist/Israeli/however you want to put it. Which means I should not have even come into this subject, as I had no frame of reference from the other side of the story. (No, this does not mean I wanted to hear a damn about what the Nazis felt.)
Every single race, culture, creed, gender, you name it, has been persecuted at one time or another in the history of this world. If you'll pardon me for turning on my sci-fi geek roots, one of the greatest television sci-fi writers, J. Michael Stracszynksi had said that "There comes a time when you collectively, as a whole have to say 'This far, and no more'.", which I'm guessing is his way of saying that a group can only be pushed so far before they begin to push back. Women have pushed back, Jews have pushed back, Homosexuals have pushed back, maybe the Palestinians are now having their time to push back. I don't know, I don't have the whole story.
What I do know, now that I have thought it over, is that Rachel was exercising her rights as an free citizen of the US. She followed the calling of her heart, and whether willingly or not, laid down her life for her cause. How many of us would be willing to say we would do the same? In that way, I say her family and friends should be damn proud of her, and should feel privileged that someone as great as Alan Rickman felt her words compelling enough to bring into the open. In that spirit, I think the play should be shown. At the same time, I think people should be able to vocalize their opposition to it should they wish. They have that right as well. As long as things stay peaceful. (When I heard Alan had received death threats over his bringing the play to the stage, I think my blood literally boiled.)
I offer my apologies to anyone I might have offended. I'll take the Douglas Macarthur stand now and just.....fade away.....

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» RE: *Waves the white flag* Posted by: ladycplum
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» RE: *Waves the white flag* Posted by: Asses of Evil
Israel Shamir boldly states........
Posted by: sheikhratlnrol on Mar 25, 2006 2:11 PM   
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........that which Americans daren't whisper.

http://www.israelshamir.net/English/ForWhom.htm

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Bad acting
Posted by: chomsky on May 1, 2006 5:49 PM   
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I saw the play. I thought the acting was a bit flat. The sets were bad too. Very squishy. The actors used too much pancake makeup. Definitely not a smash hit. I don't want to smear it or anything, though.

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