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Fog of War or War Crimes?

By Michael Slenske, SMITH Magazine. Posted March 17, 2006.


Jimmy Massey, the Marines' most outspoken anti-war war criminal, talks about what really happened on the road to Baghdad.
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In the wake of the James Frey debacle -- and its tractor-powered disinterment of similar thinly veiled literary hoaxes surrounding the louche and love-starved -- it's rather conspicuous (or perhaps not) that Jimmy Massey's name has failed to resurface in the broadsheets.

If you haven't heard of him, Massey, a former Marine staff sergeant who spent 12 years in the Corps before being medically discharged with post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and becoming a key figure in the peace movement with Veterans For Peace, rose to infamy last November after St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Ron Harris (followed lockstep by hawkish blogger Michelle Malkin) discredited claims made by Massey in his book Kill, Kill, Kill that he'd been party to (and a participant in) war crimes during his tour in Iraq with a Combined Anti-Armor Team (CAT) platoon.

Although Harris and Co. vehemently disputed Massey's claims of killing innocent civilians on the road to Baghdad, Harris has admitted that he doesn't read French (the language in which Massey's book was published) nor was he ever directly embedded with Massey's unit. Malkin, for her part, failed to return various emails, which is telling, considering the fact that the claims made in "Kill, Kill, Kill," which is also being published in Spain, were corroborated by three other Marines in Massey's platoon in interviews with the same French-American investigative journalist who ghost-wrote the book with Massey.

MICHAEL SLENSKE: What made you want to write "Kill, Kill, Kill"?

JIMMY MASSEY: When I was first diagnosed with PTSD, the psychologist suggested I write a memoir as part of the therapy. I started writing, basically just jotting down notes, and then when I got discharged from the Marine Corps, Natasha Saulnier, my ghostwriter, contacted me through Veterans For Peace. She did a couple interviews with me and asked if I wanted to write a book with her about my experiences, and it all kind of fell into place.

MS: How do you feel when people in the press like Ron Harris want to attack you for what you've said or what you've written?

JM: Ron Harris is just covering his own behind. He knows he is just as liable for war crimes as any military member serving in Iraq.

MS: How so?

JM: Because of his failure to do any investigative journalism into the actual incidents of the killing of civilians.

MS: Was he with you when this was happening?

JM: No, he was never with my company. He was with Lima Company. The only time that I saw Ron Harris was after a particular incident happened at a checkpoint when he came in to do his little interview and leave back to Lima Company. It took an international incident for him to report any of the civilian casualties. It took the killing of reporters for him to finally talk about that.

MS: But what's the actual dispute?

JM: Well, that's the thing. Ron Harris even stated that he didn't set out to dispute, he just didn't see the harshness I portray in the book. And I don't think Ron Harris has read the book either.

MS: So the contention is essentially whether the events you describe in the book should be labeled as normal combat procedures or war crimes.

JM: I leave it up to the readers in the book. Are these war crimes or are these just fog of war? My definition of fog of war is that you're on the battlefield and out of the corner of your eye you see somebody run and you fire off a shot and you go find out it's a civilian. That's fog of war. Where I have a heartburn with it is that we actually escalated the violence by heightening the intelligence reports. We demonized the Iraqi people and we were given carte blanche to shoot first and ask questions later. I think that the truth hurts. I think when a lot of Marines read this book it's going to bring to their point of view the violations of the Geneva Conventions. Can you win a war with continued violations of the Geneva Conventions and International Law?

MS: So did you feel you were violating the law at the time?

JM: Oh definitely, and I raised the BS flag very early on.

MS: And what did your fellow Marines say?

JM: I was kind of treated like an outcast or rogue because they didn't like my opinions about certain situations. I became very agitated because I went up to Captain Smith [of Lima Company]. This was shortly after the red Kia incident. I told him we need to get combat engineers in here to fortify when we have these kinds of checkpoints. And his response was, "No -- there's not going to be any combat engineers to come in."


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Posted by: rsaxto on Mar 17, 2006 3:55 AM   
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War is a lot more hellish than peace. The only function of starting a war that I can see is to kill for profit and resource control. There's a whole lot of killing going on all of which could be avoided if we weren't so greedy, selfish and scientifically illiterate.

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I honor your service... but...
Posted by: NonnyO on Mar 17, 2006 8:26 AM   
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Mr. Massey:

To quote you: "...this is what the soldiers over there are fighting for is freedom of speech."

I must respectfully disagree.

None of the troops in Iraq or Afghanistan are/were fighting for "freedom of speech" for any citizens of the US. The US military personnel are in both countries to preserve, protect, and defend the corporate assets of Bu$hCo cronies, and some have died for their corporate greed and desire to control the world's oil resources. No one in Afghanistan or Iraq (or anywhere else) invaded the US, took over our government, and took away our First Amendment right to freedom of speech; that's red herring logic, and faux bandwagon patriotic rhetoric. Bu$hCo and the Pentagon have been pushing propaganda (and LIES) at us daily, and they are trying to censor both the press and free speech in this country, yes. Any threats to our First Amendment right to freedom of speech is being done from within this nation by the "leaders" of this nation who are more committed to PNAC objectives than they are to this nation.

You did not serve in Iraq to preserve and protect anyone's freedom of speech here at home, since Iraq was never a threat to this nation; you were sent to an illegal, unjust, unethical, immoral and dishonorable war in Iraq that was based on LIES to protect the assets of oil corporations owned by Bu$hCo cronies (and Cheney's Halliburton & subsidiaries are making out like bandits with no-bid contracts, fleecing the taxpayers of this nation).

If someone had attacked the US and you were in a war defending this nation, I would agree with your statement. But Bu$hCo is the one who ordered the illegal invasion of Iraq for no reason other than helping his cronies in the oil corporations take over the oil assets in Iraq.

My generation had to deal with the devastation of Viet Nam. Your generation has to deal with the devastation in Iraq and Afghanistan. War is a waste of lives and money, especially illegal, unjust, immoral, unethical, and dishonorable wars of aggression for no good reason other than military-industrial complex profits and corporate oil profits. Harsh reality, I know, but that reality must be dealt with.

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» no, you guys misunderstand Posted by: mwildfire
» Enough said......no nitpicking Posted by: Michiganman
Etymology
Posted by: veive on Mar 17, 2006 12:24 PM   
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You should know that Bush is an acronym originated because saying BUll SHit was felt to be socially maladroit and rather crude.

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Stay safe, Jimmy Massey
Posted by: kwms on Mar 17, 2006 4:43 PM   
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Mr. Massey:

I still have the page with your picture from Mother Jones in 2004. I hope by now you have stopped carrying the sign, “I Killed Innocent Civilians for Our Government” which incited Carolinian drivers to try running over you. We will all be haunted by this war for a generation, yet we cant truly imagine what it is like to be one of the combatants.

Kathleen Williams

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» Truth is scary huh kathy Posted by: Michiganman
» No offense intended kathy Posted by: Michiganman
Vietnam veterens thank you Jimmy
Posted by: Michiganman on Mar 17, 2006 6:13 PM   
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Jimmy thanks for having the balls to speak out. When future generations look back at this senseless slaughter it will be taught in history right beside vietnam as a good idea gone way way wrong. We had the oppurtunity to do something good for both countries and it was wasted by the niave politicians in washington. Jacka_ _ Fu*%#&$#
Hang in there brother. You"ll never forget but you will be a guiding light to future 19 year olds who might be considering the patriotism by death crap.
We love you!

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» RE: Vietnam veterens thank you Jimmy Posted by: gonzoskismet
Unfortunately, War is hell
Posted by: hannah on Mar 18, 2006 5:00 AM   
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What do we think our military is for? Sure, we use them to help out during natural disasters or keep them around in case of a potentially nasty display of civil disobedience. Unfortunately, folks, our military is here to fight wars. And during times of no war, they are constantly preparing for the next one. What did you think? And the civilians and contractors who are scientists and technology geeks in the military are continually coming up with new technology to fight these wars. It has to be tested! Whether we want to acknowledge it or not, we pretty much have to stage a war every 30 years or so just to try out the latest technology. How else will they ever know if their fancy gadgets actually work? And you've heard it before, but war is hell. How can you tell an insurgent from a civilian? All the technological gadgets in the world won't tell you that. Add that to the fact that the people we send to war are barely adults. They are our children. They are young and strong and emotionally immature in many cases, and not prepared for the horrors of real war. Who would be? Perhaps only the very deeply disturbed, those without a conscience. What if those scientists and tech geeks are working to come up with a way to clone an entire battalion of the next Ted Bundy type? For our 2030 Army maybe? Not as fantastic as you might think.

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» RE: Unfortunately, War is hell Posted by: markusmark
War? Hell?
Posted by: chasaturn on Mar 18, 2006 12:30 PM   
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I thought hell was a place to avoid. Looks like all the so-called "Christian" drivel is really nothing but hypocrisy. There's no way a truly "Christian" society could be doing the things being done to innocents around the globe, all in the name of freedom and democracy. No way! I just want to spit whenever I pass a church. Fine bunch of folks, aren't they? Beneath contempt.

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Thank You Jimmy Massey
Posted by: lively56 on Mar 22, 2006 1:38 PM   
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Jimmy Massey Sir, you are to be highly commended for telling the American people the truth about what really has and is happening in Iraq. I cringe everytime I think about what our young men and women are enduring over there. I can't even imagine the horror you go through everyday, trying to cope. What you are doing right now, by speaking out against this unjust war, as often as you can, is probably the best therapy possible. My hat's off to you Brother.

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