Two and a half years ago when I first put a handful of bumperstickers on the back of my 1995 Nissan pick up truck that suggested (demanded, really) the impeachment of the half-witted frat boy in the oval office, the reaction was mostly negative. And yet as the months and years went by, attitudes started to change. Back in November, when I purcased a new van, I decided that puny little bumper stickers weren't going to cut the mustard any longer. I had two huge magnetic signs custom made for both sides of the van. They say, "IMPEACH BUSH" in big black letters on a white background. Best hundred bucks I ever spent. How has the reaction been? Well, I've been getting the finger alot but fortunately that finger has been the thumb.

What does it all mean? It means that all this talk of impeachment is no longer the domain of starry eyed radicals like yours truly (Here's an interesting point for you to ponder: The political climate of this country has been so depressingly dumbed-down in the last twenty-five years that someone as basically conservative as I am is viewed as a "radical". Incredible). The corruption and stupidity of George W. Bush was so obvious as far back, even, as 2000 that I made a prediction on the radio in December of that year, one month before the hideous little bugger took the oath of office, that his administration would end in impeachment. I have a tape of that interview and on the last day of his administration, as they're carrying the dirty bastard out of the White House in leg irons, I'll be playing that tape for everyone. Oh yeah, you can count on that.

Want another prediction? Here it is: George W. Bush will be remembered in history, primarily, as the first (pray last) former chief executive of the United States to go to federal prison. Are those the fantastic ramblings of an embittered "radical"? We'll see.

Pray for peace

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
tomdegan@frontiernet.net

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I am not complaining.(maybe a little).I was just about to turn the net off, and Alternet came in so I took a look,pinched myself, and looked again.Impeachment,censure have been swirling about.This is hitting the mainstream? Wow.It has been everywhere else.Lose our country, NEVER.so I really will turn this "thing" off and hope and pray the news is still going when I get Up.Too early to shout. I'll wait until I am in bed, head buried in my pillow and I'll shout into it cautiously..YES!! Mary Basombrio

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It seems to me that a lot of rhetoric has been spoken about Abu Ghraib Prison and Torture, but I for one have very large imagery in my head concerning both the PRISONERS and TORTURE and shudder in horror at the thought. It also seems to me that many people are inured to such rhetoric. It is not their flesh being beaten, it's not them being humiliated, Its not there kin disapearing into prisons. Or perhaps their imaginations are dulled by the needs of self. There is a need to make those who back Bush and his Cronies to actually walk a mile in tortured peoples shoes. Or second best perhaps those with enough feelings to feel for those injured could raise money to pay for prime time TV adds with explicit film, photos or graphic descriptions of Torture. Perhaps it might jolt some folk into seeing mans inhumanity to man for what it is. Evil. and those who advocate torture also evil.

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OK Folks,
I am not a pessimist by nature, but impeachment and anything like that needs a firm support among the members of the congress and other legislative buddy of your country.

There is no opposition in the US at the moment, there are distant voices whispers and in some cases even shouts, but no major movement with the backing and support of any of the leaders of your country.

US is so much like the old Soviet Union that is really interesting for an outsider to study. The both parties are so entangled in the web of corruption; money and business that there is no way any one can break out of it and receive the support needed to make a change. The member of the party are the ones who make all the decisions and not the average Joe on the street.

What has happened in many other countries where a corrupt leadership is in power CAN not happen in the US. Not because people don’t want it to happen, but because your political system is not working “by the people” and “for the people” but it works for those who have the money to support the million dollar cost of an election and pay the media to cover your “message”. Without that, you will never be able get the attention from the TV watching people of America who are not so much engaged in politics as the most of the people in other countries.

So, talk about impeachment as much as you want, but as long as you have people like Liberman and the gutless Hilary as your leaders, you have to live with the presidency of Bush.
/Farhad

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Anti-Bush is growing, impeachment is growing, truth is growing and Republican wrath is being added to Independent and Democratic wrath. This is how life works: it grows until past stupidities become untenable. The lifeline of the Bushies is being squeezed to death by the imperative of reality which always wins in the end.

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By all means Bush should be impeached. But I don't think that this will solve the basic problem. Bush is the front man and the fall guy. He is expendable. He has only done what he was elected to do, that is, to carry out the agenda of the corporate establishment.

The campaigns of both our political parties are financed by this corporatocracy. They control our government. They will remain in control after Bush is gone. even after the Republicans are ousted. Click on see who gives and who gets No matter who loses elections they still win. The only answer is for the people to gain control of both parties.

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If the Republican-controlled Congress decides to impeach and to support the impeachment, Dick Cheney needs to be impeached, too.

Egads, that would leave J. Dennis Hastert as president. The country loses, either way. Nevertheless, I support impeachment, or at least Sen. Feingold's censure, because this country needs to admit publicly that the president is not a dictator.

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It was because every republican in congress heard from the people back home. The message was stop it or pack your bags. Not until they hear the same thing about the White House gang of six will they get around to impeaching them.
AlienSlave

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I plagiarised these quotes from writers to the blogs, I am sorry that I didn’t note who wrote them or where they came from or I would have given them credit. Nevertheless, they succinctly cover the issues, and my point of view, and are worth repeating....

Never in a million years would I have thought that the American people would accept all of this Nazification without protest! It is surreal. I am a child of the 60's - and this turn of developments is the most bizarre thing that has happened in my lifetime. Homeland? Torture? Never-ending war? The Deaths beyond belief? Warrantless wiretaps? Suspension of basic civil rights? Suppression of dissent? Demonizing those who protest/disagree with the government? Collateral civilian deaths? The idiot president? The crooks and liars crawling all over Washington? MSM complicity in the horrors? The outright horror of it all? It is astonishing!

The simple reality is that recent polls consistently show the following: The American people don't like President Bush. They don't approve of the way he's done his job. They don't trust him to handle key issues. They don't trust him, period. They think he deliberately misled the nation into war. They think history will judge him poorly. They think Congress should consider impeachment. They don't like his political party. They like Democrats better. They trust Democrats more on more important issues.

Any journalist or pundit who makes reference to public opinion in a way that contradicts these basic facts, without offering specific data, is simply misleading the American people.

Impeach and imprison ALL the conniving bastards: Bush Junior, Cheney, Rummy and Rove before they destroy America and the Free World. Good riddance!!!


Just because I am paranoid doesnt mean they are not after me.…

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the talk of impeachment is all very fine, but it is just that, TALK.. it does not matter...there will be no next election, there WILL be another 9/11, of some kind...the election will be "post-poned", martial law will be declared and we will arrive where we have been going since Lincoln suspended habeas corpus...
good luck, everyone!

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As FUSTRATED as we all are I honestly think all of us here
posting,being diligent patriotic little peons,fuming/screaming/
crying out all the obvious injustices from our government, is
actually making a difference. Ever so little...but look at this
artical? Think it`d be making major newspaper stories at this
point if it weren`t for you? Nope. AS long as we continue to
pay attention.Watch and read.Kick and scream!
As much as I feel just about all of our legislators are "on the
take" ...to certain degrees...lets give Russ Feingold a standing
ovation !! Here again....the hierarchy is feeling our disent and
Russ had the balls to submit Bushys Censure Resolution. As
small as our snowball is right now its rolling.And only we can
kick it to the steepest part of the hill where it will take off and
get to avalanch proportions.
All those spineless twits on both sides of the aisle be notified:
we`re watching...we`re reading...we see through your gifted
oritory ramblings...character and honor stand out like a
beacon in the night...and practically NONE of you people
have it. Our terrorism comes from within.So lets forget about
terrorism bullshit and give us back the integrity of our
beautiful country!!!

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As a Democratic Party Precinct Chairperson, I can't think of anything better than making Bush squirm. However; with the current make-up of Congress, it ain't gonna happen!

Between now and November, as a party, we'd be a hell of a lot better off if we concentrated on more useful efforts, such as putting together a meaningful alternative to the current Republican agenda. The American public is waiting for this, and will support our candidates if we have a plausible plan.

If we take the House and Senate, Bush and Cheney won't finish their terms. Both of them have to go! With Democratic guidance, even Dennis Hastert should be able to hold the country together till January of '09.

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Lots of people point out that if Bush is impeached, Cheney becomes president; if Cheney is impeached too, we get Hastert; and neither Cheney nor Hastert is an improvement over Bush. So here's what to do:

1. Impeach Cheney and remove him from ofice.
2. Congress chooses a new vice president acceptable to both parties.
3. Impeach Bush and remove him from office.

This is in effect what happened in the Nixon impeachment. Nixon was elected with Spiro Agnew as his vice president. Agnew was dreadful, but fortunately he got himself busted for corruption, and resigned. Gerald Ford was chosen to replace Agnew, and eventually replaced Nixon too.

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As I understand it, impeachment does not equal removal from office. Clinton was impeached but he stayed President. Shouldn't Bush be kicked out of office rather than impeached, or does he need to be impeached first?

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you may have noticed McLellan's comments yesterday. Clearly the administration wants to use impeachment as a wedge issue to show how "out of touch" democrats are. That's the only reason a guy like Scarborough would allow this sort of thing on his show.

Let's hope it bites them in the ass, however. Too bad the Dems are such cowards.

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Where are our Democratic PartylLeaders? Why is Feingold out there on his own, made to look like an idiot? This is why the Democratic Party has alienated me. No backbone, no direction, no honesty of belief. Just run for office, defensively. what a bunch of losers.

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This might help:

Fake Classified White House Hannukah pic

From my weblog, http://intellectuallyidiotic.blogspot.com


I agree with an earlier comment that was made: impeaching Bush merely makes him the fall guy, and the American people don't have the stomach (or the votes, thanks to Diebold) to get rid of all the people who have put us where we are. If we truly wanted to clean up government, we'd also have to ditch the spineless Dems who have been more worried about looking like obstructionists than doing their jobs.

Look how little traction Feingold's censure is getting. We've got Dems like Hillary and Reid who've already started whining. What they're saying, in essence is, "the voters will think we're mean if we call the President to task for committing a crime!"

Additionally, we'd have to ditch Cheney, Hastert, Bridge-to-Nowhere-Asshole, etc. We need to think about the long run too. Most of this administration's leadership positions are filled with people who were in the Nixon White House, so even if we did manage to throw them out on their ear again, it doesn't mean they won't be back in 2008 or 2012. We also need to get real election reform, like proportional representation in the House, or some other reform which evens the playing field for third parties.

In the mean time, the disenfranchised citizens of this country need to keep complaining in forums like this until something is done.

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If George W. Bush is sucessfully impeached, guess what!!!!
Say. "Hello"' to Mr. President Chaney. Isn't that enough to cause nightmares for small children and adults alike. Some times the devil you got is better than the devil you'll get. The point is impeachment must be for the reprehensible two or it doesn't really solve the country's cancerous blight.

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First off, I think George W. Bush poses one of the gravest threats to our country in its history. Having said that, I think impeachment makes a great grass-roots rallying cry, but it makes for terrible government, and it's not good for the country.

It's already been noted that if Bush is impeached and convicted, we'd be stuck with either Cheney or Hastert. Impeach 'em all, you say? Great - is that really how we want to spend the next two years? We missed an opportunity to take care of a lot of business during the Clinton impeachment ordeal. If that was the GOP's point, it's a lousy way to govern. People are finally wising up to the tactics of government by distraction, and they are among the reasons people distrust government so much today.

Second, you actually run the risk of making a martyr out of Bush. Remember that, even after he was impeached but not thrown out of office, Clinton's numbers came back stronger than ever. And remember how we thought we were gonna clean Ollie North's clock once we got him into congressional hearings? All we did was give the courts a reason to overturn his conviction while giving him a national platform that he still enjoys today. Bush is doing a great job of being his own worst enemy right now. Don't give him the opportunity to play the victim; we're the victims. The country's already against him, so oppose his policies.

Third, do the math. Republicans control both houses of Congress. It's not gonna happen. Sen. Feingold can't even rustle up any significant support for censuring Bush, which doesn't even threaten to put him out of office!

Back in the 80s, Tip O'Neill declined to pursue the impeachment of Ronald Reagan for the Iran-Contra affair. He told his fellow Democrats that since the Republicans controlled the Senate and he knew it would be an empty, time-consuming gesture. He felt the country had more important things to attend to.

Tip's stand was right then, and it's right now. What we Democrats need to do is use Bush's weakness to win back Congress this November, so we can exercise some real oversight over this atrocious administration. That, in turn, should help us put a stop to current policies and help us take back the White House in 2008.

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Bush is impeachable for all these things, but let's not forget his criminal negligence in regards to 9/11, which Congress, the Commission and the media failed to address; there were decades of signs, warnings and imagined scenarios (in 1995 9/11 style plot Project Bojinka was uncovered). The warning signs increased in the months before 9/11. Warnings about impending attacks were received from at least 11 different countries- that's just what made it into the mainstream media. The FAA received 52 separate air threat warnings, the Commission lied and said it was 5. A new investigation is needed as the Commission has been exposed as a fraud- 115 ommissions and distortions documented by David Ray Griffin:

9/11 Commisson: Ommissions and Distortions

Thousands of articles/statements from mainstream sources have been compiled into a 9/11 Timeline at

cooperativeresearch.org

These cast doubt on or prove the lie of the official story; the big picture blows it away

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H E A V E - H O !!!!!

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Clinton missed a big opportunity. After he was impeached by the house but acquitted by the senate in his second term, his power was potentially infinite. He could have done WHATEVER HE WANTED. If somebody complained, his retort could have been "you don't like it, so impeach me."

He didn't really use this power (except in the pardons he granted on the way out of office).

But guess what? The Rove / Cheney administration WILL use this infinite power if we give it to them. The impeach-Bush movement is far more useful as a threat than if we actually do it, unless it is possible to actually remove Bush from office. And, as others have noticed, if we fire the guy we have to accept his replacement.

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It's not gonna happen...we the people do not have any power or balls anymore..his impeachment would not change a thing...he is only a figure head....let's live in a real world..people are trying to make a living etc. most have no idea what is going on and could care less they are just trying to make ends meet...The wealthy are a whole other story...every Marine that dies in Iraq is a waste...I served in Vietnam and it was a horrible waste too...but there were those who made alot of money...I can only see the worst for our country...sad.

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I'll tell you what's likely to happen. When and if the doofus ever leaves office we're faced with the likelihood of a McCain presidency. Good, you say? I strongly urge you to read Paul Krugman's column on McCain in the New York Times, Mar. 13. McCain is a clever enough con-man to hoodwink an already dumbed-down public. He will do anything or say anything to be president. He's a hack of the first order and the MSM will fawn all over him.

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MJM3iii asked "My question is do you think that America has waken up after seeing what a mistake they've made voting for the bush?"

As much as I would like to be optimistic and say yes, the majority of America still supports Bush in planning and executing war in Iran, as if his many lies were not enough, now we must destroy another country that has not attacked us? When will Americans wake up and get the voice out that WAR in Iran is not the answer and we do not condone it. I have not seen any movement that might help prevent this war that in my opinion is all but a done deal and it is just a matter of time before the bombs start dropping over Tehran. THE TIME TO ACT IS NOW!

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put both Congress and the White House on trial and convict them. It might be the only way to bring any democracy back to America.

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I - is for our IDIOT Commander,
M, - the MONEY that he likes to pander,
P - is for his PRIDE that’s all-too swollen,
E - is both ELECTIONS that were stolen,
A - is his ARROGANCE in warring,
C, - the CONSTITUTION he’s ignoring,
H - is for the HURRICANE Katrina,
....and the poorly staffed and funded FEMA.

B - is for our BUDGET down the crapper,
U - is this UNLAWFUL wire tapper,
S - is for his SMIRK while smugly winkin’,
H, - the HOOCH he’ll soon be back to drinkin’!

.....the sad thing is that I could probably do an entire phone book’s worth of crimes and misdemeanors in rhyme, but the list of Bush’s foibles and faults is so long that I don’t have the time!

Ask you Conservative friends if they think he broke the law (and stay on them untuil they agree to the truth), compare it to the fervor to get rid of Clinton, and then ask them if lying about sex deserves worse punishment than lying about reasons to go to war, lying about disaster preparedness, lying about human rights, lying to cover up other lies, and ignoring Constitutional privacy safeguards to name but a few.

Neo-Cons are not usually THAT stupid - I believe that deep down they know what a mess has been made with their administration. The ONLY way to win this thing is to get the “real” Republicans to take their party back!

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Good for you! All of you!

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Now that Slobodan Milosevic's cell is vacant ...

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am I the only one who thinks today's findings of tortured bodies in mass graves might be our tortured prisoners from abu gharib, and is our government using these bodies to spur on a civil war that most iraqis say is a U.S. fabrication? shias and sunnis all consider themselves iraqi, and the bodies include both shias and sunnis.

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This whole impeachement movement sounds great in echo chambers like this one. But the real challenge is for echo chambers like this one to grow big and loud enough to be heard above all the others.

The case for impeachment encompasses all that has become outrageous, as well as the outrageous to be.

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I cannot help but see efforts to seek an impeachment
as wishful thinking. The country has Bush to deal with.
He serves the interest of the few and will stop at nothing
to stop his enemies. President Clinton was impeached
for matters unrelated to his performance on the job.
But it serves no useful purpose other than payback to seek impeachment of his successor. Democrats who seek to return the favor while being otherwise unable to convince their own representatives in congress to stand up to the Bush administration's outright lies, mischaracterizations and its use of Bush's allies in corporate media and their sycophants in Congress are travelling the wrong road. After Abu Graib, Katrina, the outright giveaway to the Drug companies in the Medicare drug bill and other clear payoffs and payback to Bush's cabal of wrong-sighted or greedy allies including the political agenda of right-wing churches, where are the democrats in congress? The extreme method of impeachment for these transgressions is no substitute for the building of a political base on the ground which deals a blow at the ballot box in November. Only then will the right wing be controlled by the moderate Americans at large.

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We elected John Kerry president in 2004. All of us who worked hard to mobilize the nation deserved this electoral victory. But John Kerry didn't. He allowed it to be stolen, and his pathetic, premature concession speech misled the American people into thinking George Bush had legitimately won a narrow victory.

DAMAGE CONTROL: ELECTION REFORM

What is the purpose of expending precious energy organizing and informing the public and legislators around any other issue (i.e., impeachment, Katrina, torture, the war, etc.) if the one, fundamental, nonviolent recourse that can be taken to hold elected representatives accountable is a mirage? What can we do in time for the 2006 elections?

As former White House counsel, John Dean, and others on a recent panel discussing impeachment have pointed out, "Until there is some Congressional oversight, this President will be able to do whatever he wants."

Radio talk show host, Mike Malloy, in referring to four corporate players (Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia, and SAIC) controlling the American vote count, says, "When you hear people saying, 'take a deep breath, we will pull through this,' 'we need to work harder,' 'we need to organize'- no. We will not. It's over. Unless electronic vote tabulation is history, and these companies are driven out of business, it's their country. Not ours."

SMART DAMAGE CONTROL: MAKE ELECTRONIC VOTING TRANSPARENT

Stanford professor of computer science, David Dill tackles the issue another way, "The election fraud debate frames the problem incorrectly. The question should not be whether there is widespread election fraud. It should be: 'Why should we trust the results of elections?' It's not good enough that election results be accurate. We have to know they are accurate—and we don't.

In a word, elections must be transparent. People must be able to assure themselves that the results are accurate through direct observation during the election and examination of evidence afterwards."

IMPEACH THE VOTING MACHINES

Impeachment must be used to generate awareness of, and insistent demand for, election reform. We need to state the grounds for impeachment, but only to emphasize that our focus must be on a realistic, effective course of action.

As a first step we need to push for, in a non-partisan way, support for Rush Holt's HR 550 to insure that our votes are verifiable and counted as cast—isn't this essential element of democracy the keystone to everything else we are working for?

On the state level, we need to support efforts to make our elections (and their supervision) fair, reliable, and transparent. We cannot tolerate another unauditable vote on November 7, 2006—we must demand a VOTER VERIFIABLE PAPER BALLOT, and mandatory random hand counted audits of votes cast in conjunction with any electronic voting machine.

Here's where to take action NOW --- see http://www.icountcoalition.org/
---------------------------------------------------- http://www.verifiedvoting.org/
---------------------------------------------------- http://www.votetrustusa.org/

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Could Bush be brought up on charges after he leaves office?

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Bush is the greatest president in our lifetime. He's protecting us and spreading democracy in the Middle East. How in the world does that warrent impeachment. Freedom isn't free. Sometimes in order to protect American freedom you have to give a little of your comfortable life to the cause and if that means wiretapping, so be it.

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