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Throwing Consumers to the Wolves

By Howard Karger, AlterNet. Posted March 7, 2006.


A federal bankruptcy judge says the new bankruptcy law is good for one thing: allowing creditors to make more money off the backs of debt-ridden consumers.
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Frank Monroe is one pissed-off federal bankruptcy judge. Just before Christmas, Judge Monroe was forced to deny Guillermo Sosa, an Austin, Texas, house painter, and his wife, Melba Nelly Sosa, emergency bankruptcy protection to avoid foreclosure on their mobile home. While sympathetic to the Sosas, Judge Monroe's hands were tied by the new bankruptcy law. The so-called Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 (BAPCPA) required that the Sosas receive consumer credit counseling before filing for bankruptcy. Unaware of this stipulation, they had failed to do so, making them ineligible.

In his angry ruling [PDF], Monroe wrote that "the parties pushing the passage of the Act had their own agenda … to make more money off the backs of the consumers in this country. … To call BAPCPA a 'consumer protection' act is the grossest of misnomers."

The BAPCPA went into effect on Oct. 17, 2005. Banks and other lenders promised it would stop deadbeats from abusing the bankruptcy system, save billions, and lower interest rates for responsible borrowers. House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., predicted the bill would recoup "billions … in losses associated with profligate and abusive bankruptcy filings."

That did not happen. On the contrary, Bankrate data found that the average credit card interest rate actually rose 1 percent in the six months following the passage of the Bankruptcy Act.

Panicked debtors trying to beat the Oct. 17 deadline filed more than 2 million bankruptcy petitions in 2005, 32 percent more than in 2004. Some 500,000 people filed for bankruptcy in the two weeks alone before the Act took effect. This uptick in filings cost Bank of America $320 million, JP Morgan Chase predicted their credit card defaults would top $2.3 billion and Discover Card lost $180 million. On the other hand, credit card companies will undoubtedly make up this loss, and more, in the long run.

Who are the "deadbeats" Congress is trying to weed out?

Leslie Linfield of the Institute for Financial Literacy says, "Almost half [of bankruptcy filers] have incomes below $20,000 a year, and almost 40 percent indicate that their indebtedness is due to illness or injury." The other half may be workers pushed into an economic corner. A 2006 Federal Reserve study found that real median income dropped 6 percent from 2001 to 2004, while average family income fell by 2.3 percent. The gap between stagnant or declining wages and the rising cost of living is partly being made up by debt. For example, Americans who roll over credit card balances owe anywhere from $5,100 to $14,000, depending upon whose numbers are used. High debt levels are fueled by easy credit that helps lessen the pressures on business to increase wages.

The Bankruptcy Act erected four major hurdles to deter bankruptcy. First, the Act makes it harder for people to qualify for a Chapter 7 bankruptcy that would erase most of their debt. Instead, most debtors have to file for Chapter 13, in which they face a three- to five-year court-ordered repayment plan.

Second, the Act requires more documentation from filers, including pay stubs and tax returns, and subjects them to a means test based partly on their average income over the past six months.

Third, the law muzzles and restrains bankruptcy attorneys -- the bane of the credit industry. Bankruptcy attorneys are labeled as "debt relief agencies," which prohibits them from dispensing certain kinds of financial advice. Other restrictions imposed on attorneys include the responsibility of vouching for the accuracy of information provided by clients. Because of these restraints, lawyers must spend more time on each case and bill more. Houston bankruptcy attorney Jeff Norman estimates that he charges 20 percent to 30 percent more due to the new law.

Lastly, BAPCPA requires all filers to undergo credit counseling through a Department of Justice (DOJ) approved agency before and after filing for bankruptcy. Credit counseling agencies can provide filers with a counseling certificate after one or two sessions, or they can develop a debt management plan (DMP) based on consolidating credit card balances into a negotiated agreement with creditors. In turn, creditors may lower interest rates and forgive fees.

This is an inherent conflict of interest since the majority of agency revenues come from the 8 percent to 15 percent voluntary Fair Share contribution paid by creditors on each payment they receive. Because of this arrangement, credit counseling agencies are actually soft touch collectors for credit card companies.

The $40 to $100 for a compulsory credit counseling session is a burden on already destitute filers. While creditors believe that debt counseling will push 30 percent to 50 percent of bankruptcy filers into repayment plans, this just isn't happening. A survey by the National Association of Bankruptcy Attorneys (NACBA) of six DOJ approved credit counseling agencies found that 96.7 percent of their 61,335 customers were too insolvent to repay their debts. Rather than being overspending deadbeats, 79 percent were in financial trouble due to job loss, medical bills, death of a spouse or divorce.

Institutional creditors are neither naive nor ill-informed. Armed with sophisticated information systems, most know they can't stop bankruptcies. Insolvent debtors simply cannot repay their debts. The primary goal of BAPCPA is to create a gauntlet of obstacles that will make filing more drawn out and complicated. The intent is to delay Chapter 7 bankruptcy filings for as long as possible, since each month a consumer is not in bankruptcy relief there's a chance they'll pay at least a portion of the payment. Delaying tens of thousands of bankruptcies for a month or two will result in millions for creditors. This partly explains why compulsory credit counseling was included in the law, even though a Visa-funded study found that 74 percent of consumers drop out before finishing their DMP.

Liberal credit policies and minuscule minimum payments on credit card balances kept some cardholders in debt for decades This system ticked along nicely until federal regulatory agencies became concerned about high consumer debt and required that minimum monthly payments be raised from 2 percent to 4 percent. Overnight, monthly payments on a $9,000 (18 percent APR) credit card balance doubled from $180 to $360. This was a tipping point for some consumers with high balances.

Not coincidentally, this change occurred at roughly the same time the new bankruptcy law was passed. With less possibility for a bankruptcy escape, creditors had borrowers just where they wanted them.

Prudent lenders target creditworthy consumers. Conversely, they assume a greater risk when they seek out less creditworthy customers who pay higher interest rates. Higher potential profits have always been associated with greater risks. One problem with the new bankruptcy law is that it shifts the risks from the lender to the borrower without giving the borrower anything in return. For example, the high rates charged in subprime loans are less defensible now that the risk has shifted. The Act also insulates lenders from the risk of lending by not holding them liable for their credit issuance decisions. Lenders want it both ways -- extend subprime credit to borrowers with shaky credit histories and then make it impossible for them to get out of the debt. The Bankruptcy Act is an invitation to exploit the growing subprime market with less risk for lenders.

Poor and moderate-income consumers are being forced into a corner by stagnant salaries, high debt and rising prices. John Rao of the National Consumer Law Center recounts that Congress was warned that bankruptcy filings were a symptom not a disease. Rao is right. Bankruptcy is not a disease, but a symptom of a society racing to the bottom in terms of wages and benefits -- an "ownership society" in which citizens own most of the risks, and a society where conservatism is anything but compassionate.

Not surprisingly, BAPCPA excludes anything relating to Chapter 11 or business bankruptcies, an area where consumers desperately need protection.

Judge Monroe wrote in his ruling that by passing the Bankruptcy Act, Congress ignored the scores of judges, academics and lawyers who spoke out about the flaws of the Act. "It should be obvious to the reader at this point how truly concerned Congress is for the individual consumers of this country," he wrote. "Apparently, it is not individual consumers of this country that make the donations to the members of Congress that allow them to be elected and reelected and reelected and reelected."

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Howard Karger is professor of social work at the University of Houston, and author of "Shortchanged: Life and Debt in the Fringe Economy" (Berrett-Koehler, 2005).

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Posted by: rsaxto on Mar 7, 2006 2:25 AM   
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Can there be any doubt that the majority of the richest Americans are the vilest scum on Earth?

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» RE: scum Posted by: cmaukonen
Sheep v Wolves
Posted by: Nigelthebrit on Mar 7, 2006 2:34 AM   
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If the victims of this law are to be likened to sheep, then the wolves had better watch out that there aren't too many of them, for when this flock of poor benighted sheep gets to be too large, each realising that he or she has nothing left to lose, then the wolves will realise just how sharp the flock's collective teeth can be!

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» RE: Sheep v Wolves Posted by: stuck_in_FL
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» RE: Sheep v Wolves Posted by: pjmax
Unfair Bankruptcy Law
Posted by: patti_s on Mar 7, 2006 2:53 AM   
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I am one of those people caught in this particular bind. I worked for the same company for 271/2 years. We had great benefits and wages. Our family health insurance was tied up with my job. Then the business moved to Mexico and we were in a mess.
Open enrollment was over at my husband's job and he had to wait nine months for the next enrollment period and I have had a disability since birth that required me to have insurance to cover my medical bills. About the same time my husband developed a heart condition, had to be hospitalized, had a couple of procedures done, and was out of work for quite a while. I was working to help with the bills and going to school to be able to find a decent job and the stress caused my disability to worsen. I was eligible for state aid because his insurance even when he became eligible would not pay for a preexisting condition.
Needless to say, even that blew up on us. Tennessee decided that if you did not have small children at home, were elderly or on Social Security disability, you did not qualify for state aid. Then my husbands company from health insurance to sickness and accident insurance. It will pay if you become sick with things like the flu or break a bone or suffer a serious cut. Not for follow-up on serious health conditionslike we both now have.
We have accumulated massive medical bills, I have not been able to work for sometime now and still have to have several medications monthly. Now my husband's work has cut everyone to 30 hours a week. We don't have the money to go to the approved credit counseling classes which are held at the University of Tennessee, so we can not file bankruptcy. We spoke to several private credit counseling companies and their cost is so much that what we could pay would mostly go to them.
Now I have discovered that if you have bad credit, no matter the reason, you will be passed up for even cashier jobs. The reasoning is that you would be more likely to steal from the company or their clients. We are being sued and even though we don't own anything they can take anymore, they can take a third of my husband's salary.
This government cares nothing for the people of this country. I tried for 27 1/2 years to be a responsible person, now there is not any help for us. By the way none of our debt is from credit cards. Patti_s

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» RE: Unfair Bankruptcy Law Posted by: Callibrarian
Stop Protecting Us
Posted by: anothername on Mar 7, 2006 3:39 AM   
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In his angry ruling [PDF], Monroe wrote that "the parties pushing the passage of the Act had their own agenda … to make more money off the backs of the consumers in this country. … To call BAPCPA a 'consumer protection' act is the grossest of misnomers."

While my comment on this particular excerpt is not about bankruptcy, Judge Monroe's verbal assault on the law documents how judges offer opinions even when they are not allowed to offer opinions when running for office. I support judges (and lawyers) who are activists because common law is a foundation of our government.

...Bankrate data found that the average credit card interest rate actually rose 1 percent in the six months following the passage of the Bankruptcy Act.

Where is the cause and effect? Thanks to Alan Greenspan, interest rates have been going up regardless of any changes in bankruptcy laws.

High debt levels are fueled by easy credit that helps lessen the pressures on business to increase wages.

The logic behind this statement eludes me. As a business owner, human resource manager, or supervisor, it would not matter to me one bit how easy credit is when I decide what pay and benefits to offer, unless the easy credit made it possible for the business to have money for structural investment or business expansion and to increase wages/salaries.

Houston bankruptcy attorney Jeff Norman estimates that he charges 20 percent to 30 percent more due to the new law.

I predict that within five years advocates of stiff bankruptcy laws for low-income individuals are going to blame greedy lawyers for charging high fees as the sole reason poor people find it difficult to file for bankruptcy.

Liberal credit policies and minuscule minimum payments on credit card balances kept some cardholders in debt for decades

I thought it was low wages, expensive healthcare (including vision and dental), and other economic policies that kept people in debt. With a low minimum payment, an individual can choose whether to spend extra money on paying down debt or in getting a cavity filled. With a much higher minimum payment, the government is telling people that they must pay the credit card company instead of repairing the car that they need to get to their rural job.

There are several parts of the article with which I agree, including the timing of the minimum payment issue coinciding with the greater difficulty in filing for bankruptcy; the fact that business bankruptcy with its legitimate use to break unions and other wage contracts is left untouched, and that the majority of individual bankruptcy filiers could not have prevented their financial situation.

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» RE: Stop Protecting Us Posted by: marxalot
opposite opinion
Posted by: thecynic on Mar 7, 2006 4:53 AM   
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Though I am sure there are those who filed for bankrupcy for valid reasons as one responder has mentioned, there were also many, many who just loved to role up credit card debt buying this, that, and the other thing and then filing for bankrupcy. Unfortunately, it was those who caused the law to be changed.

I am of the opinion that if you owe money to someone you should have to pay it back. Period.

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Meanwhile our federal government goes deeper into debt
Posted by: Lizmv on Mar 7, 2006 5:15 AM   
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It makes my brain hurt! Punish the poor for their ways while driving the country deeper into debt every day.

"Treasury Secretary John Snow notified Congress on Monday that the administration has now taken "all prudent and legal actions," including tapping certain government retirement funds, to keep from hitting the $8.2 trillion national debt limit.

In a letter to Congress, Snow urged lawmakers to pass a new debt ceiling immediately to avoid the nation's first-ever default on its obligations.

"I know that you share the president's and my commitment to maintaining the full faith and credit of the U.S. government," Snow said in his letter to leaders in the House and Senate.

Treasury officials, briefing congressional aides last week, said that the government will run out of maneuvering room to keep from exceeding the current limit sometime during the week of March 20. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article
/2006/03/06/AR2006030600635_pf.html

Sorry, I had to cut the link in 2 so it would fit.

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» RE: What about business? Posted by: orwell212
Where was Ste. Hillary?
Posted by: Velos on Mar 7, 2006 6:29 AM   
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And did our Democratic, 'Progressive' Saviour....Ste. Hillary of Clinton, the embodiment of hope for 2008 vote "Hell No" against this Bill when it came up for a vote in the Senate?

HELL NO! She voted WITH the Megagalactic Banknig Lobby (along with the other DINOs!

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» RE: Where was Ste. Hillary? Posted by: the islander
What if?
Posted by: ghoster on Mar 7, 2006 8:05 AM   
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What if debtors under tremendous pressure just quit paying the credit card companies? Think that you wouldn't hear a great cry from their pet lobbyists and their paid for crooked politicians? SUre but what could they really do? Call you on your now disconnected phone to "work out some solutions"? It makes me laugh the creditors are brain washed into thinking that if they don't pay their credit card bills all sorts of bad things will happen. Gee you won't get your minimum paying job? So what? Sooner or later the pressure on debtors will become too great and then what? A new law saying that you can be imprisoned into civilian labor camps already being built by your favorite profiteer, KBR? Please, wake up sheeple and figure out what is going on, I can't do it alone.

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Bankruptcy and the Austin Bar Association
Posted by: JCS on Mar 7, 2006 8:14 AM   
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I also think it was wonderful of Randy Howry, President of the Austin Bar Association to send every member attorney a copy of Judge Monroe's order.

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The "free-market economy" – free for WHOM?!
Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 7, 2006 9:05 AM   
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From the article:
"Lenders want it both ways -- extend subprime credit to borrowers with shaky credit histories and then make it impossible for them to get out of the debt. The Bankruptcy Act is an invitation to exploit the growing subprime market with less risk for lenders."

Would someone please explain to me how this is any different than Mafia loan-sharking? I guess loan-sharking is only legal if the government allows its buddy-buddy corporations to do it.

The article also mentioned that nearly 97% of those in bankruptcy simply cannot repay their debts, no matter how onerous are the conditions. So how will the credit industry seek to punish THOSE people? Will the next bill that our bought-and-paid-for Congress passes be to bring back debtor's prisons? That would be great for industry: those scumbag deadbeats who cheat companies by getting sick and incurring high medical bills to save their own lives could work off their debts, and corporations could take advantage of the equivalent of slave labor. Labor rates like this would beat even the pittance we pay Chinese workers. Halelulah! Isn't free-market capitalism just grand?

Here's one solution, admittedly difficult in our credit-addicted culture, but one that possibly would be effective: go back on the cash standard. I know that for some in the lowest income strata this would be difficult; for for the rest, who often use credit cards as a convenience, this is very doable. ATM's are everywhere, so obtaining cash is far easier than it was when credit-card purchasing took hold. So, stop using credit cards. Cut up all but one, and use cash or checks for as many purchases as possible. Granted, while cash is just as fast (faster!) than credit cards (no matter how easy the industry makes it to keep people charging – INCLUDING never checking signatures) writing checks does take a little more time. Small sacrifice for denying credit-card companies interest income AND the fees they exact from merchants. (Who knows? Prices might drop when merchants get to eliminate some of those fees.)

I know this doesn't address the criminal loan industry, that issues interest-only loans to deseperate people, virtually assuring bankruptcy for some of them – but it's a start.

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The Economy Could Slide
Posted by: rchef on Mar 7, 2006 11:20 AM   
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It is bad enough that this horrendous piece of legislation will make it harder for consumers to get out of debt, but it could also hurt the economy--and the job market. Many people will be more cautious in what they spend and will not spend money that they don't have. This could lead to a downturn in consumer spending. This could in turn put this economy back into a recession. Another law that benefits the corporations at the expense of the people!

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Civil disobedience
Posted by: drmeow on Mar 7, 2006 1:35 PM   
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I think it would have been really nice if Judge Monroe had practiced a little civil disobedience and NOT denied bankrupcy to Sosa! A little known fact is that juries have the right in this country to declare someone innocent if they think the law under which they are charged is unjust or unconstitutional, even if they are technically guilty. Maybe the Judge could use the same argument.

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» RE: Civil disobedience Posted by: klaatukev
Greedy Bastards!
Posted by: NowYogi on Mar 7, 2006 1:41 PM   
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Last year the business where I worked for four years went out of business (I got ten days notice). My unemployment insurance covered my rent and utilities (no cable, no health insurance and I don't own a car). Food stamps paid for my food, but I didn't have enough to pay the credit card payments. I had a perfect payment history, so I wrote letters (three different times) to the companies to try to work something out, but never got a reply...but ALOT of rude daily messages on my answering machine. I COULD HAVE eventually paid off the debt if they had cut me some slack, but I got so PISSED at the credit card companies, with their all or nothing stance, that I filed for Chapter 7 before the new law took effect. Greedy bastards...serves them right!

Now I have a Visa Check/Debit card, and will never EVER have a credit card again! Debt slavery is a real bummer...

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Congress Needs to Stop Predatory Tactics of Lenders
Posted by: 1rufus1 on Mar 7, 2006 1:53 PM   
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Congress has gotten out the cattle prod and forced the "deadbeats" , the "economically inept", and " phobic spenders" to pay up, or some of it anyway. The party is over. That is what they want us to believe. The consumers were suckered in just like a street loanshark gets his next mark. We open our mailbox and find it littered with credit card offers and loans secured by our homes. We drive down streets and see places where title loans run amok. Department stores offer discounts if you open a credit card account with them. Buy now pay later. Spend, spend, and spend some more goes out the cry. "No credit check" says the sign in bold, black letters. No one reads us the fine print in great detail at these places. No one shows us the high fees and even higher interest at the bottom of the page or on the back. All we see is the" 0 Percent Introductory rate" dangling boldy at the top. The plump, tasty worm is dancing in front of us and the lenders have gotten Congress to barb the hook. But the Congress spin is, "We are only protecting the honest, hard working consumer from high interest rates." Congress only does what they can to help the highest bidder, while being careful enough to not piss off the voter. Honest and hard working consumers are experiencing unforeseen complications such as massive layoffs, plant closings, and skyrocketing medical costs. That should be the risk of the lender, not the consumer. The new bankruptcy law is making it too easy for lenders to lend money to previously bad credit risks. Their risk is reduced. If Congress cared enough about us, they would stop the easy lending practices and predatory tactics of the loansharks, er,ah legal lending insitutions.

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November 2006 - remember!
Posted by: dale0k on Mar 7, 2006 2:21 PM   
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And the democrats can't come up with an agenda? What about reversing all the abuses of this administration, for starters? Let's go, dems - get off your a**es and call this bunch of crooks out on the carpet. This is the worst bunch of corrupt, abusive, power-mongering criminals in history. And we can't even get enough dems with guts to speak up. Some dems even voted for this bill, including one from my home state (Stabenow). Her spokeswoman said "it wasn't as bad as all that...." Spoken like a true sell-out republican. What gives?

Now we hear, as of today, that there will be, due to some deal, no investigation of the NSA abuses! What kind of dirty deal is that? WEAK!!!

Come on dems, take a stand, show some guts, and give yourself a platform for 2006 and beyond. Get elected - then we can investigate the bums that remain, and throw them out, or into jail, or impeachment, or whatever is appropriate!

Dems - The people, the country, need you. Can you answer the call? Somebody .... help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It is a Yurtle the Turtle Kind of Deal
Posted by: reason on Mar 7, 2006 2:33 PM   
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When I asked my Senator why she voted for the bankruptcy bill, she said "At least the poor can get credit now."

She should get out among the people and stay away from the banking lobbyists. The credit card companies will send credit cards to anyone and their dog and always have. It gives them a reason for obscene interest charges.

What was odd, was they voted for it when their vote was not even necessary to pass it. Wonder why?

In our state, if you have bad credit they charge you more for insurance. They say people with bad credit have more wrecks.

Will the madness ever end?

Somehow it all reminds me of the story of Yurtle the Turtle. With the Bushites and the DLC and business wanting more and more and the rest of us struggling to balance the load as it gets heavier and heavier.

I heard on a financial show that the businesses are making so much money, they can spend and spend and it just keeps accumulating anyway. (It would be nice if they would pay the deficit down with some of that endless money.)

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Fails to address
Posted by: dalpress on Mar 7, 2006 4:37 PM   
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Good article here. The one thing that this fails to address is how easy it is to get credit. Credit Card debt is on the rise and the banks need to be stopped, in that, I mean they need to curtail their credit giveaway and make it tougher to get credit…but they wont. Consumer debt is driving retail purchases (note this weeks report on consumer spending because the weather is warmer so credit cards are being heavily used). Odd thing is (and I disagree), Greenspan says high consumer debt is OK…the only way that could even remotely be OK if wages and jobs were increasing and they are not. Hence inflation is on the horizon.

Lastly, credit counseling needs to happen one or two years before bankruptcy is filed! Not when you are filing!

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Finance is very dirty - economist fluffing notwithstanding
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 7, 2006 5:14 PM   
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Very interesting article, sort of outside my area of knowledge - but I did know a mortgage broker / lender once (a money buyer and seller, more or less). These people use the slimiest tactics you can imagine to put people in debt and screw them over. They call themselves 'sharks', and are some of the most amoral people I've ever encountered.

Consider predatory lending - they'll seek out a likely 'target' with a nice property but little income and offer them loans they know the target won't be able to repay; when the target goes into default (bankruptcy) they'll legally sieze the property for repayment and sell it to a developer, making a fat bundle on the whole deal.

There's also the nice tactic of holding a loan back until the rate rises a little; they end up making say, an extra $1000 while the purchaser of the loan ends up paying out an extra $10,000 over time. Elderly citizens are prime targets for this kind of transaction juggling.

Keep in mind that the finance sector gave about five times as much to the Bush campaign as did oil companies. They want legal structures that will protect their dirty activities, and they hire economists to make it all sound like 'logical, reasonable fiscal policy'.

Also, judges can't change the rules in bankruptcy cases any more then they can in mandatory minimum drug sentencing cases (which are an even uglier perversion of justice) - they'd be kicked off the bench, and the final result would be the same anyway. It really is an infringement on the power of the judicial branch, and just another example of the erosion of our democratic system of checks and balances under the Bush junta.

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What is "success" in a declining age?
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 7, 2006 8:07 PM   
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Doesn't it then mean that you are contributing to the decline?

Whether we are in decline depends on the standards that you bring to bear. According to my standards, our domestic economy has not been worse since the 1930s Great Depression. The middle-class has shrunk. The income gap between the rich and poor has increased. Even then, the US economy depends on the imperial exploitation of the Third World, and the US national debt is over the top. At least during the Depression, most folks had families, if not for support then for comfort.

But I expect many will not agree with that evaluation until we turn our prisons into places for debtors. Since that prospect is just around the corner, we shall soon see. To pervert a famous phrase, "I may not be around to get there with you"--if I'm lucky.

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johnny hempseed
Posted by: Johnny Hempseed on Mar 12, 2006 11:56 AM   
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As a recently bankrupt person(pre October rule change) I would like to mention the hundreds of credit offers I have recieved since filing! I was the victim of a divorce and then heart surgery within 2 years time.I was lucky to be destitute enough to get some help repairing my heart,but the brief homelessness followed by partial disability destroyed my finances. I have sworn off credit,gotten a debit(check card) for phone purchases,and try to live totally within my means.
But now that I'm bankrupt I am besieged by offers to finance new cars,offered tons of plastic,and even a few mortgages! Whassup with that?

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» RE: johnny hempseed Posted by: Allison
Corporate economy
Posted by: Edward George on Mar 23, 2006 12:05 PM   
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The Economist, staunch advocate of capitalism and "free market" for 170 years, said recently in an article that globalization is enriching corporations while impoverishing nations. The article equated nations to "workers", not those few individuals being enriched as the owner-controllers of corporations. (Only 15% of Americans receive any income from share holdings and less than 5% receive most of their income from share holdings or top management embursement.) Can the current situation be made any clearer then that?

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