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The Ohio Vote Debacle

By Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman, AlterNet. Posted March 3, 2006.


Did 308,000 canceled Ohio voter registrations put Bush back in the White House?

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While life goes on during the Bush2 nightmare, so does the research on what really happened in Ohio in 2004 to give George W. Bush a second term.

Pundits throughout the state and nation -- many of them alleged Democrats -- continue to tell those of us who question Bush's second coming that we should "get over it," that the election is old news.

But things get curiouser and curiouser.

In our 2005 compendium "How the GOP Stole America's 2004 Election & Is Rigging 2008," we list more than a hundred different ways the Republican Party denied the democratic process in the Buckeye State. For a book of documents to be published Sept. 11 by the New Press entitled "What Happened in Ohio," we are continuing to dig.

It turns out, we missed more than a few of the dirty tricks Karl Rove, Ken Blackwell and their GOP used to get themselves four more years. In an election won with death by a thousand cuts, some that are still hidden go very deep. Over the next few weeks we will list them as they are verified.

One of them has just surfaced to the staggering tune of 175,000 purged voters in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland), the traditional stronghold of the Ohio Democratic Party. An additional 10,000 that registered to vote there for the 2004 election were lost due to "clerical error."

As we reported more than a year ago, some 133,000 voters were purged from the registration rolls in Hamilton County (Cincinnati) and Lucas County (Toledo) between 2000 and 2004. The 105,000 from Cincinnati and 28,000 from Toledo exceeded Bush's official alleged margin of victory -- just under 119,000 votes out of some 5.6 million the Republican Secretary of State. J. Kenneth Blackwell deemed worth counting.

Exit polls flashed worldwide on CNN at 12:20 am Wednesday morning, Nov. 3, showed John Kerry winning Ohio by 4.2 percent of the popular vote, probably about 250,000 votes. We believe this is an accurate reflection of what really happened here.

But by morning Bush was being handed the presidency, claiming a 2.5 percent Buckeye victory, as certified by Blackwell. In conjunction with other exit polling, the lead switch from Kerry to Bush is a virtual statistical impossibility. Yet John Kerry conceded with more than 250,000 ballots still uncounted, though Bush at the time was allegedly ahead only by 138,000, a margin that later slipped to less than 119,000 in the official vote count.

At the time, very few people knew about those first 133,000 voters that had been eliminated from the registration rolls in Cincinnati and Toledo. County election boards purged the voting registration lists. Though all Ohio election boards are allegedly bipartisan, in fact they are all controlled by the Republican Party. Each has four seats, filled by law with two Democrats and two Republicans.

But all tie votes are decided by the secretary of state, in this case Blackwell, the extreme right-wing Republican now running for governor. Blackwell served in 2004 not only as the man in charge of the state's vote count, but also as co-chair of the Ohio Bush-Cheney campaign. Many independent observers have deemed this to be a conflict of interest. On election day, Blackwell met personally with Bush, Karl Rove and Matt Damschroder, chair of the Franklin County (Columbus) Board of Elections, formerly the chair of the county's Republican Party.

The Board of Elections in Toledo was chaired by Bernadette Noe, wife of Tom Noe, northwestern Ohio's "Mr. Republican." A close personal confidante of the Bush family, Noe raised more than $100,000 for the GOP presidential campaign in 2004. He is currently under indictment for three felony violations of federal election law, and 53 counts of fraud, theft and other felonies in the "disappearance" of more than $13 million in state funds. Noe was entrusted with investing those funds by Republican Gov. Robert Taft, who recently pled guilty to four misdemeanor charges, making him the only convicted criminal ever to serve as governor of Ohio.

The rationale given by Noe and the Republican-controlled BOE in Lucas and Hamilton counties was that the voters should be eliminated from the rolls because they had allegedly not voted in the previous two federal elections.

There is no law that requires such voters be eliminated. And there is no public verification that has been offered to confirm that these people had not, in fact, voted in those elections.

Nonetheless, tens of thousands of voters turned up in mostly Democratic wards in Cincinnati and Toledo, only to find they had been mysteriously removed from the voter rolls. In many cases, sworn testimony and affidavits given at hearings after the election confirmed that many of these citizens had in fact voted in the previous two federal elections and had not moved from where they were registered. In some cases, their stability at those addresses stretched back for decades.

The problem was partially confirmed by a doubling of provisional ballots cast during the 2004 election, as opposed to the number cast in 2000. Provisional ballots have been traditionally used in Ohio as a stopgap for people whose voting procedures are somehow compromised at the polls, but who are nonetheless valid registrants.

Prior to the 2004 election, Blackwell made a range of unilateral pronouncements that threw the provisional balloting process into chaos. Among other things, he demanded that voters casting provisional ballots provide their birth dates, a requirement that was often not mentioned by poll workers. Eyewitnesses testify that many provisional ballots were merely tossed in the trash at Ohio polling stations.

To this day, more than 16,000 provisional ballots (along with more than 90,000 machine-spoiled ballots) cast in Ohio remain uncounted. The secretary of state refuses to explain why. A third attempt by the Green and Libertarian parties to obtain a meaningful recount of the Ohio presidential vote has again been denied by the courts, though the parties are appealing.

Soon after the 2004 election, Damschroder announced that Franklin County would eliminate another 170,000 citizens from the voter rolls in Columbus. Furthermore, House Bill 3, recently passed by the GOP-dominated legislature, has imposed a series of restrictions that will make it much harder for citizens to restore their names to the voter rolls, or to register in the first place.

All this, however, pales before a new revelation just released by the board of elections in Cuyahoga County, the heavily Democratic county surrounding Cleveland.

Robert J. Bennett, the Republican chair of the Cuyahoga Board of Elections, and the chair of the Ohio Republican Party, has confirmed that prior to the 2004 election, his BOE eliminated -- with no public notice -- a staggering 175,414 voters from the Cleveland-area registration rolls. He has not explained why the revelation of this massive registration purge has been kept secret for so long. Virtually no Ohio or national media has bothered to report on this story.

Many of the affected precincts in Cuyahoga County went 90 percent and more for John Kerry. The county overall went more than 60 percent for Kerry.

The eliminations have been given credence by repeated sworn testimony and affidavits from long-time Cleveland voters that they came to their usual polling stations only to be told that they were not registered. When they could get them, many were forced to cast provisional ballots which were highly likely to be pitched in the trash, or which remain uncounted.

Ohio election history would indicate that the elimination of 175,000 voters in heavily Democratic Cleveland must almost certainly spell doom for any state-wide Democratic campaign. These 175,000 pre-2004 election eliminations must now be added to the 105,000 from Cincinnati and the 28,000 from Toledo.

Therefore, to put it simply: at least 308,000 voters, most of them likely Democrats, were eliminated from the registration rolls prior to an election allegedly won by less than 119,000 votes, where more than 106,000 votes still remain uncounted, and where the GOP secretary of state continues to successfully fight off a meaningful recount.

There are more than 80 other Ohio counties where additional pre-November 2004 mass eliminations by GOP-controlled boards of elections may have occurred. Further "anomalies" in the Ohio 2004 vote count continue to surface.

In addition, it seems evident that the Democratic Party will now enter Ohio's 2006 gubernatorial and U.S. Senate races, and its 2008 presidential contest, with close to a half-million voters having been eliminated from the registration rolls, the vast majority of them from traditional Democratic strongholds, and with serious legislative barriers having been erected against new voter registration drives.

Stay tuned.

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Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman are co-authors of "How the GOP Stole America's 2004 Election & Is Rigging 2008," available via Free Press. They are co-editors, with Steve Rosenfeld, of "What Happened in Ohio?

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Kleptocrats (aka) Republicans
Posted by: rabblerowzer on Mar 2, 2006 6:29 PM   
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Kleptocrats (aka) Republicans

Kleptocrats:
a government official who is a thief or exploiter.

Kleptocracy:
A government characterized by rampant greed and corruption.

Kleptocracy:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kleptocracy (sometimes Cleptocracy) (root: Klepto+cracy = rule by thieves) is a pejorative, informal term for a government so corrupt that no pretense of honesty remains. In a kleptocracy the mechanisms of government are almost entirely devoted to taxing the public at large, or using their control of government processes in order to amass substantial personal fortunes for the rulers and their cronies (collectively, kleptocrats), or to keep said rulers in power. Kleptocrats typically use money laundering and/or anonymous banking to protect and conceal their illegal gains.

Kleptocracies are by and large dictatorships or some other form of autocratic government, since democracy makes thievery more difficult to accomplish and conceal. Kleptocratic states consistently tend to be politically and socially unstable, while being stably kleptocratic. That is, the political governance of such states typically consists of one set of thieves displacing their predecessors by subversive or violent means.

The economies of kleptocracies tend to perform badly, as the systematic corruption engendered by kleptocratic governance means that the economy is subordinated to the interests of the kleptocrats. Kleptocrats believe they have more to gain from taking a large share of a stable or shrinking pie than from a shrinking share of an increasing pie. Economies based on the extraction of natural resources (eg. diamonds and oil in a few prominent cases) can be particularly prone to kleptocracy.

The creation of a kleptocracy typically results in many years of general hardship and suffering for the vast majority of citizens as civil society and the rule of law distintegrates. In addition, kleptocrats routinely ignore economic and social problems in their quest to amass ever more wealth. As kleptocrats do not attempt to build or maintain functioning states, or even maintain large security forces for fear of coups d'état, kleptocracies are generally incompetent in the face of social crises, and often collapse into prolonged civil war and anarchy.

Some observers use the term 'kleptocracy' to disparage political processes which permit corporations to influence political policy. Ralph Nader called the United States a kleptocracy in this sense of the word during the 2000 presidential campaign. A more accurate term for this influence over a state is plutocracy.

In the words of Louis Brandeis, one of the greatest of our Supreme Court justices: “You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy, but you cannot have both.”

The plutocracy, which owns or controls everything in America, including the government and main stream media, has conceived the term “dirty tricks” to obfuscate treason.

Can you recognize the difference between “dirty tricks” and treason?

Can you recognize the difference between Democracy and Kleptocracy?

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Kleptocrats (aka) Republicans
Posted by: rabblerowzer on Mar 2, 2006 6:31 PM   
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Kleptocrats (aka) Republicans

Kleptocrats:
a government official who is a thief or exploiter.

Kleptocracy:
A government characterized by rampant greed and corruption.

Kleptocracy:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kleptocracy (sometimes Cleptocracy) (root: Klepto+cracy = rule by thieves) is a pejorative, informal term for a government so corrupt that no pretense of honesty remains. In a kleptocracy the mechanisms of government are almost entirely devoted to taxing the public at large, or using their control of government processes in order to amass substantial personal fortunes for the rulers and their cronies (collectively, kleptocrats), or to keep said rulers in power. Kleptocrats typically use money laundering and/or anonymous banking to protect and conceal their illegal gains.

Kleptocracies are by and large dictatorships or some other form of autocratic government, since democracy makes thievery more difficult to accomplish and conceal. Kleptocratic states consistently tend to be politically and socially unstable, while being stably kleptocratic. That is, the political governance of such states typically consists of one set of thieves displacing their predecessors by subversive or violent means.

The economies of kleptocracies tend to perform badly, as the systematic corruption engendered by kleptocratic governance means that the economy is subordinated to the interests of the kleptocrats. Kleptocrats believe they have more to gain from taking a large share of a stable or shrinking pie than from a shrinking share of an increasing pie. Economies based on the extraction of natural resources (eg. diamonds and oil in a few prominent cases) can be particularly prone to kleptocracy.

The creation of a kleptocracy typically results in many years of general hardship and suffering for the vast majority of citizens as civil society and the rule of law distintegrates. In addition, kleptocrats routinely ignore economic and social problems in their quest to amass ever more wealth. As kleptocrats do not attempt to build or maintain functioning states, or even maintain large security forces for fear of coups d'état, kleptocracies are generally incompetent in the face of social crises, and often collapse into prolonged civil war and anarchy.

Some observers use the term 'kleptocracy' to disparage political processes which permit corporations to influence political policy. Ralph Nader called the United States a kleptocracy in this sense of the word during the 2000 presidential campaign. A more accurate term for this influence over a state is plutocracy.

In the words of Louis Brandeis, one of the greatest of our Supreme Court justices: “You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy, but you cannot have both.”

The plutocracy, which owns or controls everything in America, including the government and main stream media, has conceived the term “dirty tricks” to obfuscate treason.

Can you recognize the difference between “dirty tricks” and treason?

Can you recognize the difference between Democracy and Kleptocracy?

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California will be the next "Ohio"
Posted by: Gretchen on Mar 2, 2006 6:47 PM   
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I am pretty sure that in California similar tactics are going on behind the scenes in order to put the Terminator back in power despite sinking popularity. For instance, many voters who voted with absentee ballets (which are used if one votes while really "absent" but still registered and also if one votes early, which many people do) are being asked to fill out a new registration form, under the guise that the system supposedly has no signature on file. I am sure this is the first step in purging a lot of the voters from the rolls.

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Newsguy
Posted by: Newsguy on Mar 2, 2006 10:11 PM   
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Well at least Bush and company are good at something -- stealing elections.

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Why?
Posted by: adp3d on Mar 3, 2006 12:24 AM   
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Is this story not out to every major news outlet in the entire country?

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stolen
Posted by: rsaxto on Mar 3, 2006 3:42 AM   
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The election was stolen and then they tried to steal Iraqi oil and they are stealing lives galore. The Bushies are perhaps the crookedest crooks that ever there were.

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» so what do we do about it??? Posted by: GreenLibbie
Voting Rules Not Sexy
Posted by: anothername on Mar 3, 2006 3:57 AM   
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The Help America Vote Act requires voting roll purging; although the requirements of the Act were not required for 2004.

The comment in the article about all the many little ways votes were denied means that individuals must be diligent in ensuring that people can vote. Even if it is just one small part of the bigger piece, it will help.

I remain appalled at how little press coverage the Election Assistance Commission and the 8 members who are supposed to represent voters' interests received before 2004. Many states implemented their own HAVA plans without even a whisper in newspapers or on broadcast news programs.

I also must again warn people that the votiing identification rules and the Real ID Act are going to collide with voters trying to express their opinions at the ballot booths.

Also, the question of voting rights and rules is tied to the attempts of the Republican and the Democratic parties to make it very difficult for any third party to participate in the rule making.

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Diebold
Posted by: mazel on Mar 3, 2006 4:57 AM   
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I'm a resident of Ohio, and I knew we were screwed as soon as I found out that Diebold, who made a hefty contribution to the Republican party here, was going to be providing us with voting machines. Talk about a conflict of interest! I have believed Ohio was stolen all along.

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» RE: Diebold Posted by: Artkansas
who's going to run for president
Posted by: saywhat? on Mar 3, 2006 5:26 AM   
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and make cleaning up our elections a top priority campaign issue?

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the heart of democracy
Posted by: ggmurray on Mar 3, 2006 5:46 AM   
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The heart of democracy is one person one vote. It makes me sick to think that our democracy has been subverted in this way. How can we assure democracy's future in America if there is no paper trail of ballots cast and no way to verify the truth of an election?

All Americans who still believe in democracy must focus like a laser on FIXING THIS PROBLEM - in time for the next elections! Let the historians decide what villainy occurred in 2000 and 2004. The future of our country is what matters now.

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The Democrats probably did not deserve anything better
Posted by: ng1944 on Mar 3, 2006 5:48 AM   
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If whole democratic party sitting and doing nothing
about it and going along with all this scum like
Libermans than they deserved it,
and that is what they will get again in 2006

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2004 voters in Ohio
Posted by: marcos on Mar 3, 2006 6:26 AM   
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I would like to know what Democratic party officials are doing about this whole process.

I live in Florida and I wonder why back in 2000 Gore also conceded. Why didn't he, for example, back the process the NAACP was pushing to investigate voter fraud and other ilegal activities down here.

Greens and Libertarians are taking Repulbicans to task in Ohio. Where are the Democrats? Please let us know in your updates.

This whole process, Bush in the White House, the GOP control of Congress, and now Alito, Roberts, next to Thomas and Scallia, well it's very dangerous.

And the only party that has the muscle to do something soon at the polls are the Dems.

It is very urgent to strenghen Third party alternatives in the near future.

If we are to believe that elections are the process that upholds democracy then it is time to strenghten other parties. That and vigilance of the electoral process itslef.

I think the process that is going on in Latin America would be a very good example for progressvie and left leaning people in the USA.

Rule of law and citizen participation have been heralded as vital to democracy in the US. But when the two political parties have dominated the political thinking and action to such a degreee and when those two parties are so much alikeI think it is time for people to build or strengthen alternatives.

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Ohiohoos
Posted by: ohiohoos on Mar 3, 2006 6:45 AM   
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What this story fails to tell is that the election board of each county is obligated to cancel the registration of any voter who has not voted in a federal election in the last four years after first notifying the voter. (ORC Sec. 3503.21) Also, since there are an equal number of Ds and Rs on each board, why did not the Ds complain if registrations were improperly canceled? They complain about everything else. There were no complaints because all of the cancellations were legal and required by law.

This stuff has been brought up time and time again and proven to be just more BS. Democrats have equal voices on these boards. R's and D's alternate as chairman every four years. Do you really think that if this stuff was going on The Plain Dealer or The Blade wouldn't be screaming holy hell?

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» RE: Ohiohoos Posted by: sigridfroid
» RE: Ohiohoos Posted by: msluderitz
» RE: Ohiohoos Posted by: ohiohoos
Big problems in California - bits aren't ballots
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 3, 2006 7:06 AM   
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Bruce McPherson just certified Diebold voting machines in California in some secret session. There was a protest in Sacramento over his certification of other voting machines. These electronic machines should be banned, period, unless they produce a voter-certified paper trail. The fact that this isn't headline news in the corporate media should be a big alarm signal. Ballots are paper items that can be stored and recounted. Electronic votes are stored in the on/off state of a semiconductor chip location - not exactly secure. It looks like California is going to be the next fix; what's disgusting is that both Republicans and Democrats are ignoring the issue. Make no mistake - this is a direct assault on democracy in America. It makes GW's claim of 'spreading democracy' even more ludicrous - unless he's talking about the kind of 'democracy' that the Saudi princes say exists in their country.

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Breathtaking
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Mar 3, 2006 7:26 AM   
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The scope of Republican corruption is truly astounding. I dont' know how 34% of Americans can still approve of the job Monkey Boy is doing. I just wonder what they're watching....wait...no, FAUX News....

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disenfranchisement in Washington state
Posted by: bhall on Mar 3, 2006 9:41 AM   
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In related news, the republican party of Washington state has proposed to eliminate the voting registration of everybody. That's right, everybody. They claim that the voter registration database is so full of errors that everyone should be required to re-register, with proper ID and proof of citizenship.
Story via DailyKos

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Gatsby
Posted by: JayGatsby on Mar 3, 2006 11:12 AM   
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Most of you have no idea what it's like to be an Ohioan. Some people blame us for Bush's re-election. I remember an optimistic feeling on the morning of election day that carried over late into the night. Even though results remained in Bush's favor throughout the day, I assumed that once the votes were counted, Kerry would receive our electoral votes, as exit polls predicted. You know the rest. Now I read about fradulent and criminal election activities that can only lead me to believe that democracy is dead in Ohio. Rather than move out of country or out of state, I want to stay here and fight. Aside from naively believing that this year will be different and our Democratic candidates will have a fair fight, I do not know how to save democracy in our state. If anyone has any ideas, I would love to hear them.

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CALIFORNIA NEXT IS RIGHT
Posted by: TheStranger on Mar 3, 2006 11:21 AM   
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Diebold, the company that counts votes the way Cheney shoots, has been hired to install its electronic hocus pocus here. Of course no one can check on what it's doing because it uses 'proprietary' procedures. Why, one might ask, are any corporations, particularly this one, counting votes? The privatization of America actually means the Republicanization of America. But these aren't your mommy and daddy's Republicans.

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The Diebold Solution
Posted by: gonzoskismet on Mar 3, 2006 12:24 PM   
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1) Contact your State Electoral Board. Tell them to take the pinball machines back. Demand a paper ballot with a paper trail.
2) Contact your (so-called) Representatives and Congress people in Washington, D.C. Demand a paper ballot and a paper trail.
OR, If all of the above fails,

3)Go to the polls with an aluminum baseball bat. Apply the bat to the voting machines until somebody in government gets the idea that you're not as dumb as they think you are and get rid of these vote stealing pieces of crap.
4)Repeat as necessary until you get the desired effect.

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They should be barred from voting
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 3, 2006 1:03 PM   
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States like Ohio and one that say the voter turnout was greater than 100% should be barred from voting. Or at the least be made to have a second election under close scrunity.
With all the controversy around the last two elections the whole shabang should've been declared a bust. It was, but we're the one getting busted,along with the Constitution,our
Liberty and Freedom and more Laws than any blowjob could violate.
We must remove these poultroons from office with all do speed. Our Constitution demands it and we must execute our
rights as The People to refuse these domestic enemies of the Constitution. For our Freedom,or Liberty and for the Peace of the Nation.

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Democracy?
Posted by: bqtrain on Mar 3, 2006 2:44 PM   
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I hope that someday my children will live in a democracy.

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» RE: Democracy? Posted by: gonzoskismet
Come on... really?
Posted by: Canucklehead on Mar 3, 2006 3:13 PM   
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You guys are kidding, right? The world's sole surviving nuclear super power couldn't possibly be subject to this kind of corruption and outright deceipt, could it?

You guys really freak me out sometimes.

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» RE: Come on... really? Posted by: Radicalizer
gathaiga
Posted by: gathaiga on Mar 4, 2006 7:44 AM   
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Meaningless, absolutely meaningless at this point in time. What happens in the future is meaningful.

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If fair elections become impossible...
Posted by: truthteller on Mar 5, 2006 1:53 PM   
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I fear that the neo-con fascists are quickly making it impossible to have fair elections in this Country, with Ohio probably becoming the first state to totally fall this way thanks to Blackwell and his tactics. If it becomes impossible to have a democratic society that actually has fair elections that will be fairly counted and respected, then clearly the only solution will be armed rebellion against those who have siezed power by illegal means.

Liberals who follow the non-violent model of MLK will not back this line of thinking - yet. Unfortunately, there has yet to emerge a militant left like there was in the Vietnam era, and even then it was kept to a fringe group through the tactics of things like the FBI's "Cointelpro" operations that used trojan members to spy on the groups and plant seeds of disunity within the movements. I'm afraid this militant side will not manifest itself until it is really too late to be effective, when those in power have made it impossible to operate in secret, to create the guerrilla armies and insurgencies necessary to topple this corrupt, fascist regime.

I don't think I'm being too alarmist or paranoid. If what the Free Press is reporting is true, then maybe the only way to ever have a free and honest election in Ohio again is to eliminate J. Kenneth Blackwell and those around him before he manipulates this Year's election into becoming Governor and finally consolidating his (and the right's) power for good. The right has never hesitated to use force of arms, assasination, coups, thuggery, etc. to gain and keep power. I am not a violent person, I don't own a gun, and I have come to this viewpoint after a long, slow burn over the massively corrupt and seemingly unstoppable march of these evil SOB's. They will continue to lie, cheat and steal to keep and consolidate their power, making armed rebellion the only possible way to take back the Country for the "good guys".

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