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Impeaching George W. Bush
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But the distant rumbling is growing louder by the day, creating a resonant echo that is rapidly taking root in public discourse. “Impeach Him,†reads the cover of this month’s Harper’s magazine. And in a public forum in New York City last week, journalists, lawyers, and political figures came together to discuss the case against our president.
Since September 11th, 2001, there has been no shortage of news regarding this administration’s involvement in torture, lies, secrecy and obstruction of the law. Yet, there has been little discussion in the mainstream media of holding those in power accountable for the actions so diligently catalogued by the press. It is a conspicuous vacuum that helps to explain why calls for impeachment are rapidly gaining currency.
In fact, the case for the impeachment of President Bush is arguably the strongest in American history. The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) makes this amply clear in its recent book, a concise indictment of President Bush that lays out four clear legal arguments that point to impeachment as a necessary remedy for the gross violation of our Constitution. The Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush covers illegal wiretapping, torture, rendition, detention and the Iraq war. An appendix compares the impeachment proceedings of Andrew Johnson, Nixon and Clinton to the comparatively more powerful case against Bush.
Lawyers at the CCR, indeed lawyers throughout the world, have been embroiled in litigation with the administration for years. But the administration has consistently demonstrated disdain for the law, with the president effectively thumbing his nose at the Supreme Court, Congress, and the American people. It is this reality that led Michael Ratner and his fellow lawyers at the CCR to provide a clear argument for impeachment to the American people and Congress.
The piecemeal battles that journalists, lawyers and activists fight every day are a testament to the respect many Americans still have for the rule of law. But arguments against the president’s violation of the Constitution have not resulted in any reform or change in behavior. Public shaming and the threat of legal action often work to keep politicians in line. But President Bush is vocally disinterested in the public’s approval of his agenda. Furthermore, he views the law, as evidenced by torture and detainee litigation, as mutable suggestion. For such a president, legal recourse is largely ineffectual -- unless Americans and Congress reclaim the power of the law to remove the offending parties.
As Ratner told AlterNet, "While our battles against illegal wiretaps and Guantanamo are critical for trying to get back legality, until we get rid of what I consider a criminal administration, we will not be able to go back to even a semblance of civil liberties and human rights."
The Articles of Impeachment make clear that this is no longer just about President Bush. Rather, it is about preventing the executive branch from obtaining carte blanche to disregard the two other branches of government. This is a paradigm shift that has already gained substantial footing through this administration's steady erosion of legal precedent.
There is no shortage of diligent documentation of this president's violation of laws and misleading of the public -- from the 1,284-page Torture Papers to congressman John Conyers' 273-page compilation [PDF] of the lies leading to the Iraq war. But behind this incredible ongoing compendium of evidence against President Bush lurks the realization that publicly pointing to criminal behavior is not synonymous with bringing it to an end.
It is the ultimate case of missing the forest for the trees. Behind this massive body of evidence, behind each new report of this president’s transgressions of the law, is the threat of the one and only story that Americans will read for the rest of this presidency, and presidencies to come: The abuse of power, and the destruction of our Constitution.
As Ratner notes, "We need to be as radical as reality, and reality right now is very, very radical." Indeed, after reading through the Articles of Impeachment, readers will find that the only thing radical about impeaching this president is simply that it has not yet happened.
AlterNet spoke with Michael Ratner to discuss the specifics behind the legal arguments for impeachment, and the need for popular protest to restore the rule of law and force Congress to hold this administration accountable.
Onnesha Roychoudhuri: Can you briefly describe the articles of impeachment?
Michael Ratner: We've drafted four articles: Article I concerns the warrantless wiretapping of Americans in the U.S. This constitutes a violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) which prohibits and makes criminal any wiretapping without a warrant. The president has said that he's doing this, and it's a criminal charge that can get you five years in jail for each count. Additionally, it violates the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution, which prohibits unlawful searches and seizures -- this includes electronic surveillance. On a deeper level, these wiretaps deny the efficacy and validity of a congressional act.
Article Two of the impeachment of Richard Nixon is very similar. Nixon went outside of Congressional law and engaged in warrantless wiretapping against domestic dissidents and others who opposed the war in Vietnam. So, this article has a historical relation, obviously solid.
Article II is the falsifications that were used to justify the Iraq war. That's the article that congressman John Conyers has really focused on -- he's written an extensive report that documents this. You reference any particular day and the administration was making statements that Iraq has a relationship to 9/11, al Qaida and Osama bin Laden; that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. In the one and a half years leading up to the war, the time during which they were making these statements, they knew that they were false.
Lying to Congress and the American people got us into a war that has two serious impeachable issues within it: First, it's an aggressive war contrary to the U.N. charter and contrary to law that doesn't allow war unless it's in self-defense. Secondly, it undermines the authority of Congress and the American people to decide when war is necessary. Through the lies, he got a number of Congress people to believe that war was necessary, thereby undercutting their constitutional obligation to decide on war.
Elizabeth Holtzman, who was part of the Judiciary Committee that voted to impeach Nixon, has written a long piece about how this constitutes fraud under criminal law. Of course, you don't need a criminal act to impeach someone, you simply need an act that undermines and subverts the basic constitutional structure of our government, as well as a failure to execute the proper laws.
Article III deals with what the president has done in regard to the issues of torture, arbitrary long-term detentions, disappearances and special trial. Our law is very clear on these things. You can't torture people, you can't commit war crimes, you can't send people to countries where they're tortured and you can't set up special courts for trial. The Geneva Conventions are a part of our law, as is the international covenant of civil and political rights. The president, in authorizing that entire range of activities, has not met with his constitutional obligation to faithfully execute laws.
Congress tried to put some brakes on the president through the McCain amendment, which prohibits cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. But the president, in a signing statement, essentially said he reserved the right to ignore what Congress says. What he did is not just a violation of the law; he is destroying the checks and balances of our Constitution.
Article IV is a general article that puts all of the prior three articles together. If you look at these things together, you see that they are essentially destroying our republic and our democracy. They are destroying the constitutional structure of our government. Therefore, he should be impeached.
OR: Was it your intent for the book to be utilized by members of Congress to begin impeachment proceedings?
MR: Yes, that's definitely one of our intents. We would also like to see some courage given to our members of Congress. John Conyers has begun the process with 26 people now signed onto the inquiry bill, but that's very small compared to the number that should be there. Similarly with the NSA spying, 18 have signed on to a serious inquiry, but we're talking about the same kinds of conduct that were part of Nixon's impeachment proceedings -- illegal use of electronic surveillance. Even Democrats like Al Gore are calling this a government of tyranny because of the utter and complete subverting of the Constitution.
Another intent is to popularize the issue that what the president has done has got to be looked. These aren't just individual issues, but a destruction of democracy on its deepest level. We want to popularize that idea and get it out there, particularly right now. If you look at the polls on warrantless wiretapping and the Iraq War, over 50 percent of Americans think that Bush could be impeached for these activities. But the media aren't picking this up. No one's talking about impeachment from the New York Times, or the Washington Post or anywhere else.
OR: Why do you think that is?
MR: They claim it's because it's not realistic. But that's not at all the case. When they started with the Clinton impeachment, less than 30 percent of the people were willing to impeach him for his actions. Yet, the media carried it widely. It may be that there's a buy-in by some part of this media leader society -- thinking that this could shake up our government too much. Some people think it's too dangerous to do so, but we would argue that it's much too dangerous not to.
OR: What do you say to Americans who think it isn't worth bothering with impeachment with the president currently in his final term?
MR: This administration has gone so far beyond what the requirements of the Constitution and the law. The question is whether this country can ever come back and resemble a democracy again. Unless you hold accountable the people who actually carried out an illegal war with Iraq, warrantless wiretapping and torture, there's nothing to stop the next administration -- whether it's Republican or Democrat -- from continuing with the same. We have to show that what happened in this country in the past four years is an utter subversion of our Constitution and completely unlawful under domestic and international law. Otherwise, I fear that this country may be changed forever in a very negative direction.
OR: What's at stake here?
MR: What's at stake is a presidency that is becoming an imperial presidency -- in which he's no longer responsible to the judiciary or the Congress. This is a president that thinks that, on his own, he can wiretap people, torture people, pick them up anywhere in the world. This has to be beaten back, and it has to be done soon. It is becoming embedded in our society in a way that is very hard to get rid of.
For instance, we just had a loss in the case of Maher Arar. Part of the judge's thinking in his decision was that, while it may not be okay to torture in a criminal case, it may be okay if it's to prevent terrorism. When that kind of thinking is afoot, something has to be done. Otherwise, it will become embedded in our legal and political thinking in the next generations. There has to be accountability for this.
OR:There's a lot of people, especially on the left, who think of George W. Bush as very self-serving president. This characterization may be preventing people from seeing that he is actually thinking well beyond his presidency -- with the intent to expand executive power for future administrations. Is this a fair characterization?
MR: Yes, this is about a particularly bad president -- a president who doesn't care about constitutional rights. But what's really going on here is what Cheney actually came out and stated a month ago when he talked about warrantless wiretapping. He said that they wanted to overcome what happened to the presidency during the '60s and the '70s.
There's an absolute intent here to make the presidency much more powerful, what they call a unitary presidency where they're not just a co-equal branch, but they are the branch -- no court or Congress can check them. This is not just about the president any longer, it's about these assertions of inherent power in the executive to override constitutional, international, congressional limitations, and judicial limitations. That's a big problem because that's essentially a dictatorship.
OR: With all this gratuitous conduct that has been amassed in the media, the question arises, why haven't there been many legal successes stopping this behavior?
MR: At the CCR, in almost every single action discussed in the articles, we have various lawsuits going. The problem is that they take a long time. Also, the courts are not always in our favor. And, even when we win, the administration is able to undercut them. You don't just win by lawsuits; you win by popular protest, people in the streets. That's the way you have to win. The Center really believes that our lawsuits are important and people have to be represented. We have to stop torture to the extent that we can. But there has to be popular protest in this country, or our lawsuits are not going to change anything.
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Posted by: ilima on Mar 6, 2006 1:06 AM
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 6, 2006 1:51 AM
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Impeaching George W. Bush is one thing. Successfully removing him from office is another matter entirely. It's very possible that this congress, corrupt as it is, just might try to put on a sham trial in order to satisfy the public's demand for justice; Go through the motions, find the hideous little bugger innocent and then claim to the public, "Well, we tried"! As Molly Ivins very artfully said in her column last week, "Keep your eye on the shell with the pea under it". If more people had read her 1999 book, "Shrub: The Short and Happy Political Life of George W. Bush" we wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now, you can count on it.
Another impeachable offence (at least by republican standards) is Dubya's 1986 sale of his Harken Energy shares. One of the things that led to the impeachment of Bill Clinton was a failed land deal called Whitewater - over ten years before he even took the oath of office! George was on the board of directors and sold his stock at a time when the company's value was plummeting. Martha Stewart recently went to prison for this very thing. Her profit was $47,000. George W. Bush's profit? $684,000.
So let's get the ball rolling. The evidence is overwhelming and in our favor. Once our job is done, we'll have to get to work at once on the impeachment of President Cheney.
I Can't wait!
Tom Degan
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» Oh! And by the way; What about Cheney???
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» Yes, we can get him with the "Plame" affair! Clearly he was duplicitous.
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» That's a stretch
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Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Mar 6, 2006 2:39 AM
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Extreme, possibly willful and egregious negligence (Katrina, 9-11) causing huge loss of life & property; Corruption resulting in loss of lives (too many examples, but what comes to mind is the Medicare Drug Plan which is resulting in death and illness for our seniors and has single-handedly caused a crisis where none was before & our troops not getting armor or enough troops to secure victories); The subversion of our democratic institutions into ones that serve one-party rule (media payoffs to Armstrong Williams, etc.; packing the Supreme Court with Federalists; gerrymanderings of districts, etc, etc, etc); and Massive, systematic vote fraud since 2000.
These are the most important of the extra charges I can think of. So many crimes are committed daily by this Neocon group/movement that plenty more can be added. And why not? As long as they are provable charges that lawyers can hold valid in the court of impeachment, let's add them.
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Posted by: Edward George on Mar 6, 2006 3:56 AM
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By the way, attached to the minutes of my precinct caucus recently was a recommendation, with supporting argument, that the official Democratic platform should be simply The Constitution and Common Sense.
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Posted by: Prophit on Mar 6, 2006 4:35 AM
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When corruption goes that deep you have to clean house big time since they aren't even doing it internally. The impeachment of all of them (4) should be done all at once on the same issues since as leaders of both houses of congress, there was blackmail and bribery used to obtain votes to support the illegal, criminal and unethical actions of the Executive branch.
I keep remembering the complaints even from other republicans of threats if they didn't hold the line on various issues. Also everyone forgot the Plame affair which would take care of Cheney according to the multitudinous emails that had been lost and then found in the Attorney Generals possession that implicated Cheney as giving orders to Libby to out Plame which was a felony.
I would not only like to see them impeached but legislation passed that prevents any subsequent holder of that office from pardoning any impeached and convicted member of this administration or congress. In addition, once impeached and out of office, I would like to see them personally, criminally prosecuted and jailed for a very long time. That is the only way to send a message to future holders of office about the seriousness of these acts.
Any judge who violated the Constitution by supporting these obvious acts against the Constitution and the American people(who should know better) should also be purged from office through impeachment proceedings. Then congress should pass a law that allows the American People to petition and put on a ballot any recall of any duly elected official at the federal level in both the Exec, legislative and Judicial branch of gov.
It shouldn't be easy to do, but should be available in order to prevent the corrupt from controlling who gets impeached if the people are angry. It can not be for politics, rather wrong doing.
That would end this potential embedded threat and provide for ways to end it sooner should there be resistance to the peoples will.
WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO WHERE THE GOV SERVES THE PEOPLE AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
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Posted by: Beverly on Mar 6, 2006 4:40 AM
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He comments on other countries as being the "axis of evil", but is he so blind that he can't see what he's doing, that places us in the same catagory?
Apparently, he's placed himself above our laws and honestly believes "he can do anything he wants because he's the president"! This man has endangered every American citizen because of his actions and total disregard for our Constitution and our laws.
George Bush and his cabinet needs to be impeached before they completely destroy our country
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Posted by: eileenflmng on Mar 6, 2006 4:53 AM
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Although buttressed two days previously by the news of the National Security Agency’s illegal surveillance of the American citizenry, the request attracted little attention in the press-nothing on television or in major papers.”[HARPER’S MAGAZINE March 2006 p.27]
“As of January 17, 2006, the rap sheet listed 2,229 American military dead in Iraq together with an unknown number of Iraqi civilians; what looks to be the sum of $1 trillion to $2-trillion, already committed to The Project for the New American Century’s real estate development in the Mesopotamia desert.
"Better reasons to impeach a president than the one pressed into service against Bill Clinton, whose penis was known to be aimless and shown to be harmless.” [HARPERS p.32]
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Mar 6, 2006 5:21 AM
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That said, I don't think that it will make much difference. Too many people think that Bush is the problem. They think that when he's gone everything will be all right.
I don't agree with them. I don't think that we can consider this to be a case of a "few bad apples" who accidentally came into power. This is a systemic problem. Until we take control of the government from the corporatocracy our government won't represent us.
Our two parties work for the interests of the establishment against the interests of the people. The greatest triumph for Democracy would be to have both parties work for us.
We have ample historical proof that this is not an "impossible dream"; it can be done. The establishment isn't the "unbeatable foe"; they can be brought to heel. It's been done before. Take for example the rise of the labor unions, the women's suffrage movement, the Viet Nam era anti-war movement, and the civil rights movement all were successful. History is on our side.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 6, 2006 6:24 AM
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of hundreds of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars in collateral damages.
With the pace that Congress will move on this thing,we'll be at the next election before Bush ever answers to these charges. I say,elect no candidate that does'nt have the same election goal of the People Over Tyrants Party,namely:
Put Bush and his cohorts behind bars apon taking office.
I think within five minutes after taking the oath of office should be an acceptable length of time. Personally,I'd like to see it as soon as the P.O.T. Candidate became 'President -Elect'. That's a nice dream but you and I both know there would be some new debacle slammed on the People and we'd get stuck with some yahoo that would pardon the son-of -a bitch and we'd be back at square one,still being screwed by the system.
Unless....? Fill in the blank.
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Posted by: zedaker on Mar 6, 2006 6:29 AM
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BUSH/CHENEY 07
IMPEACH AND IMPRISON
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Posted by: sausage on Mar 6, 2006 6:37 AM
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Article 1, Section 3, Clause 6:The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
The United States Constitution
I'll admit there is a glimmer of hope. So if the Democrats do win control of the House there is a chance of bringing articles of impeachment to Bush. However removing a president from office...well, see above. Even though the Republicans are covering their asses, Senate Republicans aren't likely to vote to convict Bush and remove him from office. Then we'd have Dick Cheney for president.
Be sides, there are eight months until the elections. So far the Democrats haven't shown much in the way of new initiatives, campaign themes or charismatic new candidates, at least in my home state. And we must be on guard for Roveian dirty tricks, skullduggery and vote fraud, these "Christians" will do anything to stay in power.
And finally beware June, 6 2006, 6/6/6. It's a promising date for another terrorist attack in the "homeland."
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» Do you think it will be foriegn terrorists?
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Posted by: Longdream on Mar 6, 2006 6:42 AM
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The report included copies of house resolutions to to establish a bi-partisan Select Committee in the House - H.Res. 635; to censure the President - H.Res.636; and to censure the Vice President - H.Res. 637. The Resolutions were sponsored by over twenty Representatives.
Conyers also wrote the introduction to Warrior-King: The Case for Impeaching George W. Bush, by Constitutional lawyer John Bonifaz.
Legal experts agree that there are sufficient grounds for impeachment, and a trial. The resolutions lay the foundation, but it remains for the Minority Leaders, Reid and Pelosi, to file formal Articles of Impeachment. They may or may not follow through with that, because it would be meaningful, but a dead end unless the Democrats win back a majority in the House. If that happens, maybe we can have a very entertaining 2007.
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anyone?
off topic; find a way to make absurd profits from peaceful/sustainable policy and the world will be a better place.
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I personally would be satisfied with little less than a lightning bolt coming out of the sky and hitting right where it needs to. might take quite a few bolts, there's a hell of a lot of extraordinarily guilty people involved.
oh we are so fucked. I keep looking at my life and thinking, will all these day to day problems be a distant memory in some coming apocalyptic scene? will I see the end of oil in the next 20 years? will i see atomic war in the next year? will everything I know become a sad shadow? these are the stated aims of the bastards with the reins.
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Take every last one that refuses to build a true democracy; a democracy that will work to create a sustainable and healthy culture and planet.
We speak a different language than theirs; our words are build not bomb, create not control, grow not grab, nurture not nuke. Take them all and their hateful words and get their arrogant greed out of our way!
We the people stand positively for this beautiful earth. It is our home as well, not the home for the few who take the most. We must get back to the urgent effort to live with, and live well with each other and all life.
We are not too prideful to acknowledge our neighbors or to embrace a good idea even if it is different from ours. We are not so closed as to be unaware that we are all in this together and that it is time to embrace the humillity of our interdependence. We live with love and therefore with far less fear than they busily manufacturer every day in their attempts to scare us enough to submit to their self-serving ideas.
These men and women have not thought of anything but themselves. Ask any who have not been heard and who have been harmed by their cold hearts and cold hands. The chill has set this nation back a century.
Take them all away, they do not recognize the golden rule. They seem unable to show love. We long to embody the greatest example of that good and simple rule.
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If your fire can be seen ten miles away, it would only take 300 fires to span the country. It's time to quit waiting for the spineless to act. Gather wood. And beat the drums...
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No, I don't think impeaching either Cheney or Bush is realistic or necessarily desirable at this point. There is no way you're going to bring them all down, Speaker Hastert has a "safe" seat. Do you want to see him or "Mr. Pork" Ted Stevens (Senate President Pro-Temp) in the White House? I think not. Probably the best course of action here is to keep hammering away at their lies and skullduggery for the remainder of Bush's term, render them ineffectual, keep them bottled up and their harm to a minimum. Hopefully we can prevent them from coming up with a viable GOP successor to Bush and take things back starting in '06, and going on to the Presidency in '08.
Then, once they are out of office, we pursue criminal charges against the lot of them and see that as many as possible end up doing hard time for what they have done to this Country and the rest of the World. I believe one of the greatest mistakes of the past generation was allowing Nixon to rehabilitate his image and become an "elder statesman". He deserved nothing but contempt and shame from us, and hopefully we can avoid the same end with "The Shrub".
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Posted by: vkobaya on Mar 6, 2006 10:14 AM
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As for the Four Articles of impeachment, more balonney. There should be a bazillion articles of impeachment against him and his gang of criminals. These four say nothing about the voting fraud in 2000, and 2004. Nor do they say anything about Katrina and the lies. There were organized gangs of whites hunting and shooting Blacks. Bush did that. They say nothing about the hundreds of billions of dollars embezzled from the war effort, from rebuilding Iraq, from domestic programs, schools, highways, utilities, etc. , nor do they say anything about the thousands and tens of thousands snatched, tortured and secretly imprisoned in this country and around the world.
Impeachment would honor this demonic creature straight from hell legitimating all his crimes as if he were president. I doubt if he were legitimately elected he could possibly have commited the crimes that he has perpetrated on this nation and the world. He hates this nation and the world because he knows he isn't the real elected president, but the usurper. Don't legitimize his crimes by impeaching him.
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I would also ask, what good would it do to impeach George and leave him in office? This country has impeached only two presidents, and neither one of them were booted out of the White House. Bush's arrogance and determination to have things his way would, in my opinion, allow him to sail past impeachment and continue this dastardly goals.
Someone in one of the other posts here mentioned the book that Molly Ivins wrote titled "Shrub." I read that book back in 1999 when Bush was campaigning, and I was horrified at his record as governor of Texas. Prior to that, I knew nothing about him other than that he was the son of former president George H.W. Bush. And I agree that if more people had read that book, the election would have put Al Gore in the White House...even with the Florida debacle.
We're facing a hell of a mess and it's hard to know what to do about it. My own thoughts are that maybe we need to hold a special election this November. Surely installing Chency, Frist or Hastert in the Oval Office is not a workable solution.
One thing is certain. Come November, we need to do every thing we can do to change the balance of power in Congress, and curent polls indicate that is a distinct possibility.
It is time that American's remind the politicians that the people are in charge and that we have the power and the right to remove a corrupt president....but first we need to plan for what comes after.
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I would also ask, what good would it do to impeach George and leave him in office? This country has impeached only two presidents, and neither one of them were booted out of the White House. Bush's arrogance and determination to have things his way would, in my opinion, allow him to sail past impeachment and continue this dastardly goals.
Someone in one of the other posts here mentioned the book that Molly Ivins wrote titled "Shrub." I read that book back in 1999 when Bush was campaigning, and I was horrified at his record as governor of Texas. Prior to that, I knew nothing about him other than that he was the son of former president George H.W. Bush. And I agree that if more people had read that book, the election would have put Al Gore in the White House...even with the Florida debacle.
We're facing a hell of a mess and it's hard to know what to do about it. My own thoughts are that maybe we need to hold a special election this November. Surely installing Chency, Frist or Hastert in the Oval Office is not a workable solution.
One thing is certain. Come November, we need to do every thing we can do to change the balance of power in Congress, and curent polls indicate that is a distinct possibility.
It is time that American's remind the politicians that the people are in charge and that we have the power and the right to remove a corrupt president....but first we need to plan for what comes after.
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What has happened to the American Spirit? Has America bowed down to the Bush Power? Has America lost it's Fight for all that is Right? MY GOD...
.Is America dying or dead and someone forgot to tell me?
Once I was proud to be called an American, Bush and Gang have taken that away. Now, I am ashamed of our Government and The People! TIME TO FIGHT BACK!!!
TIME FOR CHANGE!
AMERICA....WAKE UP....FIGHT BACK....Get our Country back!
Bush believes the Constitution is Just another Damn Piece of Paper...WHAT DOES NOT TELL YOU????
TIME FOR CHANGE!
Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is Dying as we speak...
God Bless America
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If we don't do it, we deserve what we get, we suck and we should go to hell, and the Statue of Liberty should be sold on ebay to someone who can display it with honour.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904
I wonder how people feel about execution.
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Posted by: colek on Mar 6, 2006 3:33 PM
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More here:
http://www.ImpeachBush.org
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1. Important to try anyway. We gain nothing by surrendering. We gain everything by trying, even if we don't get the results. And stop worrying about Cheney or Hastert. They all have to go, they all have crimes committed to remove them from office. It's a package deal, so don't worry about it.
2. Lots of Republicans are coming around towards impeachment. This may not be reflected through their elected officials, but in the grassroots, netroots, etc. there is growing support. So don't assume it's entirely impossible.
3. There are lots of ways to think outside the box to remove and deter this crew of crooks. Cities, states, state legislatures passing impeachment provisions, grand jury investigations/indictments, etc. Too many of you fall into the trap we see left of center of "we can't do that, it's never been done". How do you think the righties got so far?
4. It's either remove this bunch or our country will be turned into a dictatorship. I may be inclined to agree that we're already there, but in fact there's still plenty of democratic mechanisms to use that are still standing. So don't stand still, use them! Think outside the box. It will drive these moron crooks nuts. And the more dictatorial they act, the more popular support they lose, including among Republicans.
5. In the long term, this is winnable. In the short term who knows. But we must try, and that starts with Impeachment.
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Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Mar 6, 2006 3:47 PM
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Any ethical means necessary.
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Posted by: pjrsullivan on Mar 6, 2006 6:16 PM
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The conspiracy to destroy the mass of the human race is not a current event, rather the decision to immolate humanity with nuclear weapons was made in April of 1947 at a meeting of the Atomic Energy Commission. The decisions made at that meeting remain "Secret" and unknown to the mass of the populace, though it is known publically that the decision to go ahead with a massive nuclear buildup was made at that time.
When you connect all of the Dots, it explains why there is a continuing intervention into our world by unknown "Higher level Powers." If these higher level Powers did not exist, we all would be nuclear waste at this moment. This is why it all remains "Above top Secret."
The current nuclear war criminal in office certainly deserves to be impeached, yet what is necessary to the mass of the population is that the threat from nuclear weapons be ended. After we impeach him, let us then impeach this system of eternal war and its plots to exterminate us.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 6, 2006 8:46 PM
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And, yes, we are backed into a corner. We have nothing to lose. It is time to fight back. No, not violently, because that invites and excuses official violence.
In Alabama in 1965 we sang, "Wallace, you know you can't jail us all. Wallace, someday you're bound to fall."
It's time to go to jail again. Someone tell Andy Young to get his butt out there where he belongs. We need leadership.
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Posted by: evaneis on Mar 6, 2006 9:53 PM
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My county (Boulder, CO), has kept the voting machines out because of citizen action, but we couldn't stop the optical scan machines, which can be hacked. It requires endless vigilance and awareness to do these things. I would suggest you do all you can to ensure that your state votes on paper ballots. So far about 25 states have passed such laws, some better than others. That is not enough to regain control of Congress. If that doesn't happen Bush will remain, and he will totally destroy our economy and what's left of the Constitution. Be prepared for a possibly long period of fascism, civil unrest,and more wars.
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Posted by: rockpicker on Mar 7, 2006 7:55 PM
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You can't ask a dick tater to give you back your freedom, you fucking fruitcakes. Get real.
Admit that your senators and congressmen have sold you down the river. Buy and largess, they are all in the pockets of the corporations, and we are all marching, lockstep, into the Jaws of Hell.
ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE
Decide which side you're on and let's get this over with.
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Thanks
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We the people would have to come together as a single unit to achieve this enormous task. Because we as Democrates, Liberals, Progressives and Free Thinkers tend to go to beat of our own drums; trying to get us to come together under the same umbrella--"Will be like Trying to Herd Cats". However I am an optimist; we can get it done together it is just going to take some work.
Unfortunately, we have Democrats in the House and Senate who if re-elected will be hesistant to file for articles of impeachment. 89 democrats voted to mak the Patriot Act permanent, while 10 democrats voted not to make it permanent. Why would 89 dems vote to adopt such a dictatorship-fascist law!!!
So even if we win back the House in 2006, this by no means guarantees Bush and Cheney will be impeached. We as voters must come up with a strategy that will make our elected officials stand up for our rights and beliefs.
One problem I see as far as getting Democrats elected to replace the imcumbent Dems who cowardly vote for the bankruptcyi law and for the Patriot Act is money!!!!! I personally believe the climate is right to get non-career democrats elected to the house if we can just pay the initial fee to get them on the ballot. Then once their on the ballot, "We the People" can just go thru the motions while the well connected Dems fight it out spending millions of dollars for T.V. ads and deal making for the rich. Then when its time to go to the polls and just cast our vote for the individual who doesnt get the backing from corportrate donors. If we can pull that off, then "We the People" will show that big money is irrevelant. The career politicians would not see this strategy coming. It just might work. This is how we can get the candidate elected who is not part of the corupt political machine in the Belt Way.
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Posted by: change-agent-denver on Mar 8, 2006 7:24 PM
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But there's a problem. We also must impeach and remove Cheney. He's even worse than Bush.
And then we must pursue the cabal of power-mad rich boys who brought Bush to power in the first place.
They ALL need to go to jail, and have their multiple homes, fancy sports cars and fancy jewels confiscated and used to rebuild the US Treasury.
Sooo, does this plan also have a strategy for removing Cheney?
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Posted by: Stephen McArthur on Mar 9, 2006 7:23 AM
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Lots of people are talking about impeachment.
Garrison Keillor proposes it, saying "Impeach him and let the Senate hear the evidence."
We see articles almost every day by very thoughtful people on AlterNet, CommonDreams, Truthout, Buzzflash and other websites and blogs advocating impeachment.
In my home state of Vermont, five towns (we just had town meeting day) voted to impeach Bush. Lewis Lapham at Harper's magazine has editorialized in favor of impeachment. And, of course, Rep. John Conyers has been leading the effort in Congress to demand the House of Representatives investigate impeachable offenses by the President. The list goes on and on. There are alot of people working on this issue. Way too many.
No doubt there are sufficient reasons to believe that this administration has committed impeachable offenses which need to be investigated. No doubt the alleged offenses committed by this Bush/Cheney government far exceed the alleged offenses the Republicans used to stampede the Congress into impeaching Bill Clinton and put him on trial in the Senate.
"No one died when Clinton lied" pretty much sums up the difference between the two cases. But I worry that this campaign to impeach Bush looks a little too much like "tit for tat," that too many Americans are going to feel like it is partisan revenge. Let's put away the nuclear option for now and persuade Americans why we must overturn Bush's control of Congress. There are enough good and justifiable reasons to do so. We need persuasion, not impeachment. We need to win in November, not feel moralistic and virtuous.
A letter to the International Herald Tribune says that if Bush were the CEO of a corporation, he'd have been out of the job a long time ago. Wishful thinking, at best. Bush is the CEO of the United States government and he has delivered astounding profits and benefits to the corporate syndicate that owns and operates this country, otherwise known as the shareholders of the government. Bush's allies in Congress appreciate all he has done for their clients. They are not going to impeach Bush.
The Senate can't even get one committee to hear evidence about alleged illegal wiretapping by the NSA. Does anyone really believe that the Republican-controlled House of Representatives and United States Senate are going to impeach George Bush and then put him on trial with this current Congress?
Stand up, go directly to the House and Senate candidate you can support, give money, make calls, get your friends together to work with you, walk the precincts, get out the vote, register people, put up signs, host fundraisers, talk to undecided voters, talk to Republicans who have concerns about Bush, persuade, persuade, persuade.
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We can't be wedded to impeachment as the only way to get rid of the Bush regime. Let's force him to resign in disgrace and that won't happen unless there's more organized resistance to his whole program. Let's stop supporting Democrats that vote for the war and the Patriot Act too. Polly
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In the name of fighting terror billions of dollars have gone 'missing'--and this cannot be acceptable to a country that is facing a looming financial crisis.
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If we are fortunate to impeach both, we will have Denny Hastert as President. What do we know about him, except the fact that he heads one of the most corrupt group in Washington D.C.
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Posted by: hafnjun on Mar 11, 2006 4:58 PM
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Bush is setting the presidence for all future Presidents. Any of them can now do anything they want, they won't need any approval from Congress for anything. Bush doesn't so why should any future President? So why do we need Congress? All we need is crooked bushwhacking Presidents to run our country. I think Bush & his wicked, sick, power, money starved Administration has gotten us in such a big mess I don't know if anyone can ever stratghten it out again. We don't even have anyone running for Presindent for the next election because of the mess we are in. Who in their right mind would want to step in & try to clean this all up anyway? There is no amount of money worth all them headaches. May God Help Us All!
Of course Geroge W will never have to worry about anything beacuse he has his Presidential father before him behind him. "Daddy Daddy what do I do? Daddy Daddy help!" Bail me out Daddy!
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Then I woke up. And I thought, could this kind of pressure actually work? Or would it create riots on the streets? Our gov't needs a way to be able to reelect a president in the second term if the people want it. Otherwise, without the possibility of reelection, the prez just feels he can do anything he wants. He doesn't have to get reelected, so who cares? Four years of pain for all of us. UGH!
My question is: Is it really possible to clean out the corruption? How far down the line does it really go? Seems like some new legislation has to happen to keep this kind of thing from happening... don't know what that would be...
The whole system is broke all the way from the way we go about elections. Our government gets paid off. Unless you have $$$ backing, you're not going anywhere with politics. Our country is ruled by big business and corporate profits. It's far from a democracy... it's capitalist all the way... that's why it makes it so funny we're trying to bring democracy to the middle east... we don't even know what this is anymore ourselves!
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There's a little known and rarely used clause of the in the rules for the House of Representatives which sets forth the various ways in which a president can be impeached. Only the House Judiciary Committee puts together the Articles of Impeachment, but before that happens, someone has to initiate the process.
That's where we come in. In addition to the State-by-State method, one of the ways to get impeachment going is for individual citizens like you and me to submit a memorial. ImpeachforPeace.org has created a new memorial based on one which was successful in impeaching a federal official in the past. You can find it on their website as a PDF.
You can initiate the impeachment process yourself by downloading the memorial, filling in the relevant information in the blanks (your name, state, etc.), and sending it in.
http://ImpeachForPeace.org/ImpeachNow.html
More information on the precedent for submitting an impeachment
memorial, and the House Rules on this procedure, can also be found at
the above address.
If you have any doubts that Bush has committed crimes warranting
impeachment, read this page: http://ImpeachForPeace.org/evidence/
If you're concerned that impeachment might not be the best strategy
at this point, read the bottom of this page: http://ImpeachForPeace.org
"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
Bush, June 18, 2002
"War is Peace."
Big Brother in George Orwell's 1984
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We need everybody who supports impeachment to get involved!
www.a28.org
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 6, 2006 1:51 AM
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Impeaching George W. Bush is one thing. Successfully removing him from office is another matter entirely. It's very possible that this congress, corrupt as it is, just might try to put on a sham trial in order to satisfy the public's demand for justice; Go through the motions, find the hideous little bugger innocent and then claim to the public, "Well, we tried"! As Molly Ivins very artfully said in her column last week, "Keep your eye on the shell with the pea under it". If more people had read her 1999 book, "Shrub: The Short and Happy Political Life of George W. Bush" we wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now, you can count on it.
Another impeachable offence (at least by republican standards) is Dubya's 1986 sale of his Harken Energy shares. One of the things that led to the impeachment of Bill Clinton was a failed land deal called Whitewater - over ten years before he even took the oath of office! George was on the board of directors and sold his stock at a time when the company's value was plummeting. Martha Stewart recently went to prison for this very thing. Her profit was $47,000. George W. Bush's profit? $684,000.
So let's get the ball rolling. The evidence is overwhelming and in our favor. Once our job is done, we'll have to get to work at once on the impeachment of President Cheney.
I Can't wait!
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Note to Rebecca Powell:
Was that better?
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Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Mar 6, 2006 2:39 AM
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Extreme, possibly willful and egregious negligence (Katrina, 9-11) causing huge loss of life & property; Corruption resulting in loss of lives (too many examples, but what comes to mind is the Medicare Drug Plan which is resulting in death and illness for our seniors and has single-handedly caused a crisis where none was before & our troops not getting armor or enough troops to secure victories); The subversion of our democratic institutions into ones that serve one-party rule (media payoffs to Armstrong Williams, etc.; packing the Supreme Court with Federalists; gerrymanderings of districts, etc, etc, etc); and Massive, systematic vote fraud since 2000.
These are the most important of the extra charges I can think of. So many crimes are committed daily by this Neocon group/movement that plenty more can be added. And why not? As long as they are provable charges that lawyers can hold valid in the court of impeachment, let's add them.
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The American Friends Service Committee is joining with many peace and justice organizations, including our partners in the United for Peace and Justice Coalition, to call for local events throughout the country and around the world between March 15 and 22. Use our calendar of events on our web site to find an event near you. If you do not find an event near you, please register to organize one. Help us show that hundreds of hometowns oppose the war in Iraq.
Use our web site to find or organize an event near you >
So far, we have more than 100 “Not One More Death, Not One More Dollar” events listed, with more on the way every day.
AFSC is suggesting vigils and events on Sunday, March 19, but we are happy to list events on different dates. We want the web site to show the energy, creativity and diversity of the pro-peace majority.
After three years of sustained war and occupation costing $250 billion dollars and thousands of lives lost, the U.S. sits at a crossroads. In Iraq, rising violence and anger at the lack of basic human services such as clean water, health care, and electricity, show that the military path is not leading to peace. Peace in Iraq will only be achieved through diplomacy and a serious effort at reconstructing Iraq’s infrastructure.
Our Call to Congress
AFSC is calling on Congress to stop the war and occupation in Iraq by stopping the war’s funding. You can join our call by signing the “Not One More Death, Not One More Dollar” letter to Congress. We will deliver the letter, with tens of thousands of signatures, to Congress in May. Please sign it online while registering to organize or attend a “Not One More Death, Not One More Dollar” event in your community.
Read the letter and find or organize an event near you >
Your help is essential in reminding our leaders that the majority of people in this country want peace. We hope that you find that the ideas listed on the web site engage your creativity and inspire you to organize in your community.
Also, if you know someone who is planning an event in your community already, please forward this email to them. If you know neighbors who join our call to end the war in Iraq, please forward this email to them.
Thank you for your support for peace in Iraq.
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Q. What is the purpose of this anniversary event?
A. We need to remind Congress, the media, and our neighbors that the majority of people in the United States and around the world oppose the war in Iraq. This is an opportunity to bring continued attention to the human and financial costs of this war.
With your help, the American Friends Service Committee is planning a series of spring activities and events that will continue to highlight the human cost of the war to the general public and to show Congress that the majority in the U.S. wants to end the war
We want to share with you the schedule of events and activities. Please check our website for the most updated information and resources.
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Posted by: Edward George on Mar 6, 2006 3:56 AM
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By the way, attached to the minutes of my precinct caucus recently was a recommendation, with supporting argument, that the official Democratic platform should be simply The Constitution and Common Sense.
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When corruption goes that deep you have to clean house big time since they aren't even doing it internally. The impeachment of all of them (4) should be done all at once on the same issues since as leaders of both houses of congress, there was blackmail and bribery used to obtain votes to support the illegal, criminal and unethical actions of the Executive branch.
I keep remembering the complaints even from other republicans of threats if they didn't hold the line on various issues. Also everyone forgot the Plame affair which would take care of Cheney according to the multitudinous emails that had been lost and then found in the Attorney Generals possession that implicated Cheney as giving orders to Libby to out Plame which was a felony.
I would not only like to see them impeached but legislation passed that prevents any subsequent holder of that office from pardoning any impeached and convicted member of this administration or congress. In addition, once impeached and out of office, I would like to see them personally, criminally prosecuted and jailed for a very long time. That is the only way to send a message to future holders of office about the seriousness of these acts.
Any judge who violated the Constitution by supporting these obvious acts against the Constitution and the American people(who should know better) should also be purged from office through impeachment proceedings. Then congress should pass a law that allows the American People to petition and put on a ballot any recall of any duly elected official at the federal level in both the Exec, legislative and Judicial branch of gov.
It shouldn't be easy to do, but should be available in order to prevent the corrupt from controlling who gets impeached if the people are angry. It can not be for politics, rather wrong doing.
That would end this potential embedded threat and provide for ways to end it sooner should there be resistance to the peoples will.
WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO WHERE THE GOV SERVES THE PEOPLE AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
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He comments on other countries as being the "axis of evil", but is he so blind that he can't see what he's doing, that places us in the same catagory?
Apparently, he's placed himself above our laws and honestly believes "he can do anything he wants because he's the president"! This man has endangered every American citizen because of his actions and total disregard for our Constitution and our laws.
George Bush and his cabinet needs to be impeached before they completely destroy our country
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Although buttressed two days previously by the news of the National Security Agency’s illegal surveillance of the American citizenry, the request attracted little attention in the press-nothing on television or in major papers.”[HARPER’S MAGAZINE March 2006 p.27]
“As of January 17, 2006, the rap sheet listed 2,229 American military dead in Iraq together with an unknown number of Iraqi civilians; what looks to be the sum of $1 trillion to $2-trillion, already committed to The Project for the New American Century’s real estate development in the Mesopotamia desert.
"Better reasons to impeach a president than the one pressed into service against Bill Clinton, whose penis was known to be aimless and shown to be harmless.” [HARPERS p.32]
from the WAWA blog 2/27/06
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That said, I don't think that it will make much difference. Too many people think that Bush is the problem. They think that when he's gone everything will be all right.
I don't agree with them. I don't think that we can consider this to be a case of a "few bad apples" who accidentally came into power. This is a systemic problem. Until we take control of the government from the corporatocracy our government won't represent us.
Our two parties work for the interests of the establishment against the interests of the people. The greatest triumph for Democracy would be to have both parties work for us.
We have ample historical proof that this is not an "impossible dream"; it can be done. The establishment isn't the "unbeatable foe"; they can be brought to heel. It's been done before. Take for example the rise of the labor unions, the women's suffrage movement, the Viet Nam era anti-war movement, and the civil rights movement all were successful. History is on our side.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 6, 2006 6:24 AM
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of hundreds of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars in collateral damages.
With the pace that Congress will move on this thing,we'll be at the next election before Bush ever answers to these charges. I say,elect no candidate that does'nt have the same election goal of the People Over Tyrants Party,namely:
Put Bush and his cohorts behind bars apon taking office.
I think within five minutes after taking the oath of office should be an acceptable length of time. Personally,I'd like to see it as soon as the P.O.T. Candidate became 'President -Elect'. That's a nice dream but you and I both know there would be some new debacle slammed on the People and we'd get stuck with some yahoo that would pardon the son-of -a bitch and we'd be back at square one,still being screwed by the system.
Unless....? Fill in the blank.
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Posted by: zedaker on Mar 6, 2006 6:29 AM
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BUSH/CHENEY 07
IMPEACH AND IMPRISON
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Article 1, Section 3, Clause 6:The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
The United States Constitution
I'll admit there is a glimmer of hope. So if the Democrats do win control of the House there is a chance of bringing articles of impeachment to Bush. However removing a president from office...well, see above. Even though the Republicans are covering their asses, Senate Republicans aren't likely to vote to convict Bush and remove him from office. Then we'd have Dick Cheney for president.
Be sides, there are eight months until the elections. So far the Democrats haven't shown much in the way of new initiatives, campaign themes or charismatic new candidates, at least in my home state. And we must be on guard for Roveian dirty tricks, skullduggery and vote fraud, these "Christians" will do anything to stay in power.
And finally beware June, 6 2006, 6/6/6. It's a promising date for another terrorist attack in the "homeland."
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Posted by: Longdream on Mar 6, 2006 6:42 AM
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The report included copies of house resolutions to to establish a bi-partisan Select Committee in the House - H.Res. 635; to censure the President - H.Res.636; and to censure the Vice President - H.Res. 637. The Resolutions were sponsored by over twenty Representatives.
Conyers also wrote the introduction to Warrior-King: The Case for Impeaching George W. Bush, by Constitutional lawyer John Bonifaz.
Legal experts agree that there are sufficient grounds for impeachment, and a trial. The resolutions lay the foundation, but it remains for the Minority Leaders, Reid and Pelosi, to file formal Articles of Impeachment. They may or may not follow through with that, because it would be meaningful, but a dead end unless the Democrats win back a majority in the House. If that happens, maybe we can have a very entertaining 2007.
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anyone?
off topic; find a way to make absurd profits from peaceful/sustainable policy and the world will be a better place.
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I personally would be satisfied with little less than a lightning bolt coming out of the sky and hitting right where it needs to. might take quite a few bolts, there's a hell of a lot of extraordinarily guilty people involved.
oh we are so fucked. I keep looking at my life and thinking, will all these day to day problems be a distant memory in some coming apocalyptic scene? will I see the end of oil in the next 20 years? will i see atomic war in the next year? will everything I know become a sad shadow? these are the stated aims of the bastards with the reins.
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Posted by: greentime on Mar 6, 2006 7:29 AM
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Take every last one that refuses to build a true democracy; a democracy that will work to create a sustainable and healthy culture and planet.
We speak a different language than theirs; our words are build not bomb, create not control, grow not grab, nurture not nuke. Take them all and their hateful words and get their arrogant greed out of our way!
We the people stand positively for this beautiful earth. It is our home as well, not the home for the few who take the most. We must get back to the urgent effort to live with, and live well with each other and all life.
We are not too prideful to acknowledge our neighbors or to embrace a good idea even if it is different from ours. We are not so closed as to be unaware that we are all in this together and that it is time to embrace the humillity of our interdependence. We live with love and therefore with far less fear than they busily manufacturer every day in their attempts to scare us enough to submit to their self-serving ideas.
These men and women have not thought of anything but themselves. Ask any who have not been heard and who have been harmed by their cold hearts and cold hands. The chill has set this nation back a century.
Take them all away, they do not recognize the golden rule. They seem unable to show love. We long to embody the greatest example of that good and simple rule.
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Posted by: rockpicker on Mar 6, 2006 7:30 AM
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If your fire can be seen ten miles away, it would only take 300 fires to span the country. It's time to quit waiting for the spineless to act. Gather wood. And beat the drums...
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Posted by: truthteller on Mar 6, 2006 8:37 AM
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No, I don't think impeaching either Cheney or Bush is realistic or necessarily desirable at this point. There is no way you're going to bring them all down, Speaker Hastert has a "safe" seat. Do you want to see him or "Mr. Pork" Ted Stevens (Senate President Pro-Temp) in the White House? I think not. Probably the best course of action here is to keep hammering away at their lies and skullduggery for the remainder of Bush's term, render them ineffectual, keep them bottled up and their harm to a minimum. Hopefully we can prevent them from coming up with a viable GOP successor to Bush and take things back starting in '06, and going on to the Presidency in '08.
Then, once they are out of office, we pursue criminal charges against the lot of them and see that as many as possible end up doing hard time for what they have done to this Country and the rest of the World. I believe one of the greatest mistakes of the past generation was allowing Nixon to rehabilitate his image and become an "elder statesman". He deserved nothing but contempt and shame from us, and hopefully we can avoid the same end with "The Shrub".
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Posted by: vkobaya on Mar 6, 2006 10:14 AM
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As for the Four Articles of impeachment, more balonney. There should be a bazillion articles of impeachment against him and his gang of criminals. These four say nothing about the voting fraud in 2000, and 2004. Nor do they say anything about Katrina and the lies. There were organized gangs of whites hunting and shooting Blacks. Bush did that. They say nothing about the hundreds of billions of dollars embezzled from the war effort, from rebuilding Iraq, from domestic programs, schools, highways, utilities, etc. , nor do they say anything about the thousands and tens of thousands snatched, tortured and secretly imprisoned in this country and around the world.
Impeachment would honor this demonic creature straight from hell legitimating all his crimes as if he were president. I doubt if he were legitimately elected he could possibly have commited the crimes that he has perpetrated on this nation and the world. He hates this nation and the world because he knows he isn't the real elected president, but the usurper. Don't legitimize his crimes by impeaching him.
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Posted by: American Reflections on Mar 6, 2006 11:48 AM
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I would also ask, what good would it do to impeach George and leave him in office? This country has impeached only two presidents, and neither one of them were booted out of the White House. Bush's arrogance and determination to have things his way would, in my opinion, allow him to sail past impeachment and continue this dastardly goals.
Someone in one of the other posts here mentioned the book that Molly Ivins wrote titled "Shrub." I read that book back in 1999 when Bush was campaigning, and I was horrified at his record as governor of Texas. Prior to that, I knew nothing about him other than that he was the son of former president George H.W. Bush. And I agree that if more people had read that book, the election would have put Al Gore in the White House...even with the Florida debacle.
We're facing a hell of a mess and it's hard to know what to do about it. My own thoughts are that maybe we need to hold a special election this November. Surely installing Chency, Frist or Hastert in the Oval Office is not a workable solution.
One thing is certain. Come November, we need to do every thing we can do to change the balance of power in Congress, and curent polls indicate that is a distinct possibility.
It is time that American's remind the politicians that the people are in charge and that we have the power and the right to remove a corrupt president....but first we need to plan for what comes after.
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Posted by: American Reflections on Mar 6, 2006 11:53 AM
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I would also ask, what good would it do to impeach George and leave him in office? This country has impeached only two presidents, and neither one of them were booted out of the White House. Bush's arrogance and determination to have things his way would, in my opinion, allow him to sail past impeachment and continue this dastardly goals.
Someone in one of the other posts here mentioned the book that Molly Ivins wrote titled "Shrub." I read that book back in 1999 when Bush was campaigning, and I was horrified at his record as governor of Texas. Prior to that, I knew nothing about him other than that he was the son of former president George H.W. Bush. And I agree that if more people had read that book, the election would have put Al Gore in the White House...even with the Florida debacle.
We're facing a hell of a mess and it's hard to know what to do about it. My own thoughts are that maybe we need to hold a special election this November. Surely installing Chency, Frist or Hastert in the Oval Office is not a workable solution.
One thing is certain. Come November, we need to do every thing we can do to change the balance of power in Congress, and curent polls indicate that is a distinct possibility.
It is time that American's remind the politicians that the people are in charge and that we have the power and the right to remove a corrupt president....but first we need to plan for what comes after.
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Posted by: whitewolf on Mar 6, 2006 12:51 PM
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What has happened to the American Spirit? Has America bowed down to the Bush Power? Has America lost it's Fight for all that is Right? MY GOD...
.Is America dying or dead and someone forgot to tell me?
Once I was proud to be called an American, Bush and Gang have taken that away. Now, I am ashamed of our Government and The People! TIME TO FIGHT BACK!!!
TIME FOR CHANGE!
AMERICA....WAKE UP....FIGHT BACK....Get our Country back!
Bush believes the Constitution is Just another Damn Piece of Paper...WHAT DOES NOT TELL YOU????
TIME FOR CHANGE!
Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is Dying as we speak...
God Bless America
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Posted by: Ahimsa on Mar 6, 2006 1:26 PM
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If we don't do it, we deserve what we get, we suck and we should go to hell, and the Statue of Liberty should be sold on ebay to someone who can display it with honour.
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Posted by: colek on Mar 6, 2006 3:15 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904
I wonder how people feel about execution.
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Posted by: colek on Mar 6, 2006 3:33 PM
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More here:
http://www.ImpeachBush.org
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Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Mar 6, 2006 3:42 PM
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1. Important to try anyway. We gain nothing by surrendering. We gain everything by trying, even if we don't get the results. And stop worrying about Cheney or Hastert. They all have to go, they all have crimes committed to remove them from office. It's a package deal, so don't worry about it.
2. Lots of Republicans are coming around towards impeachment. This may not be reflected through their elected officials, but in the grassroots, netroots, etc. there is growing support. So don't assume it's entirely impossible.
3. There are lots of ways to think outside the box to remove and deter this crew of crooks. Cities, states, state legislatures passing impeachment provisions, grand jury investigations/indictments, etc. Too many of you fall into the trap we see left of center of "we can't do that, it's never been done". How do you think the righties got so far?
4. It's either remove this bunch or our country will be turned into a dictatorship. I may be inclined to agree that we're already there, but in fact there's still plenty of democratic mechanisms to use that are still standing. So don't stand still, use them! Think outside the box. It will drive these moron crooks nuts. And the more dictatorial they act, the more popular support they lose, including among Republicans.
5. In the long term, this is winnable. In the short term who knows. But we must try, and that starts with Impeachment.
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Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Mar 6, 2006 3:47 PM
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Any ethical means necessary.
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Posted by: TheJamea on Mar 6, 2006 3:53 PM
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Posted by: pjrsullivan on Mar 6, 2006 6:16 PM
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The conspiracy to destroy the mass of the human race is not a current event, rather the decision to immolate humanity with nuclear weapons was made in April of 1947 at a meeting of the Atomic Energy Commission. The decisions made at that meeting remain "Secret" and unknown to the mass of the populace, though it is known publically that the decision to go ahead with a massive nuclear buildup was made at that time.
When you connect all of the Dots, it explains why there is a continuing intervention into our world by unknown "Higher level Powers." If these higher level Powers did not exist, we all would be nuclear waste at this moment. This is why it all remains "Above top Secret."
The current nuclear war criminal in office certainly deserves to be impeached, yet what is necessary to the mass of the population is that the threat from nuclear weapons be ended. After we impeach him, let us then impeach this system of eternal war and its plots to exterminate us.
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Posted by: Alexy on Mar 6, 2006 7:50 PM
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Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 6, 2006 8:46 PM
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And, yes, we are backed into a corner. We have nothing to lose. It is time to fight back. No, not violently, because that invites and excuses official violence.
In Alabama in 1965 we sang, "Wallace, you know you can't jail us all. Wallace, someday you're bound to fall."
It's time to go to jail again. Someone tell Andy Young to get his butt out there where he belongs. We need leadership.
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Posted by: evaneis on Mar 6, 2006 9:53 PM
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My county (Boulder, CO), has kept the voting machines out because of citizen action, but we couldn't stop the optical scan machines, which can be hacked. It requires endless vigilance and awareness to do these things. I would suggest you do all you can to ensure that your state votes on paper ballots. So far about 25 states have passed such laws, some better than others. That is not enough to regain control of Congress. If that doesn't happen Bush will remain, and he will totally destroy our economy and what's left of the Constitution. Be prepared for a possibly long period of fascism, civil unrest,and more wars.
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Posted by: rockpicker on Mar 7, 2006 7:55 PM
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You can't ask a dick tater to give you back your freedom, you fucking fruitcakes. Get real.
Admit that your senators and congressmen have sold you down the river. Buy and largess, they are all in the pockets of the corporations, and we are all marching, lockstep, into the Jaws of Hell.
ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE
Decide which side you're on and let's get this over with.
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Posted by: thinkverybig on Mar 7, 2006 11:04 PM
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Thanks
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Posted by: npba900 on Mar 8, 2006 9:57 AM
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We the people would have to come together as a single unit to achieve this enormous task. Because we as Democrates, Liberals, Progressives and Free Thinkers tend to go to beat of our own drums; trying to get us to come together under the same umbrella--"Will be like Trying to Herd Cats". However I am an optimist; we can get it done together it is just going to take some work.
Unfortunately, we have Democrats in the House and Senate who if re-elected will be hesistant to file for articles of impeachment. 89 democrats voted to mak the Patriot Act permanent, while 10 democrats voted not to make it permanent. Why would 89 dems vote to adopt such a dictatorship-fascist law!!!
So even if we win back the House in 2006, this by no means guarantees Bush and Cheney will be impeached. We as voters must come up with a strategy that will make our elected officials stand up for our rights and beliefs.
One problem I see as far as getting Democrats elected to replace the imcumbent Dems who cowardly vote for the bankruptcyi law and for the Patriot Act is money!!!!! I personally believe the climate is right to get non-career democrats elected to the house if we can just pay the initial fee to get them on the ballot. Then once their on the ballot, "We the People" can just go thru the motions while the well connected Dems fight it out spending millions of dollars for T.V. ads and deal making for the rich. Then when its time to go to the polls and just cast our vote for the individual who doesnt get the backing from corportrate donors. If we can pull that off, then "We the People" will show that big money is irrevelant. The career politicians would not see this strategy coming. It just might work. This is how we can get the candidate elected who is not part of the corupt political machine in the Belt Way.
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Posted by: change-agent-denver on Mar 8, 2006 7:24 PM
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But there's a problem. We also must impeach and remove Cheney. He's even worse than Bush.
And then we must pursue the cabal of power-mad rich boys who brought Bush to power in the first place.
They ALL need to go to jail, and have their multiple homes, fancy sports cars and fancy jewels confiscated and used to rebuild the US Treasury.
Sooo, does this plan also have a strategy for removing Cheney?
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Posted by: Stephen McArthur on Mar 9, 2006 7:23 AM
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Lots of people are talking about impeachment.
Garrison Keillor proposes it, saying "Impeach him and let the Senate hear the evidence."
We see articles almost every day by very thoughtful people on AlterNet, CommonDreams, Truthout, Buzzflash and other websites and blogs advocating impeachment.
In my home state of Vermont, five towns (we just had town meeting day) voted to impeach Bush. Lewis Lapham at Harper's magazine has editorialized in favor of impeachment. And, of course, Rep. John Conyers has been leading the effort in Congress to demand the House of Representatives investigate impeachable offenses by the President. The list goes on and on. There are alot of people working on this issue. Way too many.
No doubt there are sufficient reasons to believe that this administration has committed impeachable offenses which need to be investigated. No doubt the alleged offenses committed by this Bush/Cheney government far exceed the alleged offenses the Republicans used to stampede the Congress into impeaching Bill Clinton and put him on trial in the Senate.
"No one died when Clinton lied" pretty much sums up the difference between the two cases. But I worry that this campaign to impeach Bush looks a little too much like "tit for tat," that too many Americans are going to feel like it is partisan revenge. Let's put away the nuclear option for now and persuade Americans why we must overturn Bush's control of Congress. There are enough good and justifiable reasons to do so. We need persuasion, not impeachment. We need to win in November, not feel moralistic and virtuous.
A letter to the International Herald Tribune says that if Bush were the CEO of a corporation, he'd have been out of the job a long time ago. Wishful thinking, at best. Bush is the CEO of the United States government and he has delivered astounding profits and benefits to the corporate syndicate that owns and operates this country, otherwise known as the shareholders of the government. Bush's allies in Congress appreciate all he has done for their clients. They are not going to impeach Bush.
The Senate can't even get one committee to hear evidence about alleged illegal wiretapping by the NSA. Does anyone really believe that the Republican-controlled House of Representatives and United States Senate are going to impeach George Bush and then put him on trial with this current Congress?
Stand up, go directly to the House and Senate candidate you can support, give money, make calls, get your friends together to work with you, walk the precincts, get out the vote, register people, put up signs, host fundraisers, talk to undecided voters, talk to Republicans who have concerns about Bush, persuade, persuade, persuade.
Orwell's Grave
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Posted by: Polly on Mar 9, 2006 8:56 AM
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We can't be wedded to impeachment as the only way to get rid of the Bush regime. Let's force him to resign in disgrace and that won't happen unless there's more organized resistance to his whole program. Let's stop supporting Democrats that vote for the war and the Patriot Act too. Polly
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In the name of fighting terror billions of dollars have gone 'missing'--and this cannot be acceptable to a country that is facing a looming financial crisis.
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If we are fortunate to impeach both, we will have Denny Hastert as President. What do we know about him, except the fact that he heads one of the most corrupt group in Washington D.C.
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Posted by: petrovsky on Mar 10, 2006 2:32 PM
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Posted by: sisterbluerose on Mar 11, 2006 5:57 AM
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Posted by: petrovsky on Mar 11, 2006 9:14 AM
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Posted by: hafnjun on Mar 11, 2006 4:58 PM
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Bush is setting the presidence for all future Presidents. Any of them can now do anything they want, they won't need any approval from Congress for anything. Bush doesn't so why should any future President? So why do we need Congress? All we need is crooked bushwhacking Presidents to run our country. I think Bush & his wicked, sick, power, money starved Administration has gotten us in such a big mess I don't know if anyone can ever stratghten it out again. We don't even have anyone running for Presindent for the next election because of the mess we are in. Who in their right mind would want to step in & try to clean this all up anyway? There is no amount of money worth all them headaches. May God Help Us All!
Of course Geroge W will never have to worry about anything beacuse he has his Presidential father before him behind him. "Daddy Daddy what do I do? Daddy Daddy help!" Bail me out Daddy!
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Posted by: The critic on Mar 12, 2006 4:53 PM
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Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Mar 12, 2006 10:15 PM
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» RE: Yes, Impeach or find another way to remove these crooks.
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Posted by: saveourcountry on Mar 25, 2006 8:59 AM
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Then I woke up. And I thought, could this kind of pressure actually work? Or would it create riots on the streets? Our gov't needs a way to be able to reelect a president in the second term if the people want it. Otherwise, without the possibility of reelection, the prez just feels he can do anything he wants. He doesn't have to get reelected, so who cares? Four years of pain for all of us. UGH!
My question is: Is it really possible to clean out the corruption? How far down the line does it really go? Seems like some new legislation has to happen to keep this kind of thing from happening... don't know what that would be...
The whole system is broke all the way from the way we go about elections. Our government gets paid off. Unless you have $$$ backing, you're not going anywhere with politics. Our country is ruled by big business and corporate profits. It's far from a democracy... it's capitalist all the way... that's why it makes it so funny we're trying to bring democracy to the middle east... we don't even know what this is anymore ourselves!
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Posted by: Jodin on Jun 23, 2006 2:50 PM
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There's a little known and rarely used clause of the in the rules for the House of Representatives which sets forth the various ways in which a president can be impeached. Only the House Judiciary Committee puts together the Articles of Impeachment, but before that happens, someone has to initiate the process.
That's where we come in. In addition to the State-by-State method, one of the ways to get impeachment going is for individual citizens like you and me to submit a memorial. ImpeachforPeace.org has created a new memorial based on one which was successful in impeaching a federal official in the past. You can find it on their website as a PDF.
You can initiate the impeachment process yourself by downloading the memorial, filling in the relevant information in the blanks (your name, state, etc.), and sending it in.
http://ImpeachForPeace.org/ImpeachNow.html
More information on the precedent for submitting an impeachment
memorial, and the House Rules on this procedure, can also be found at
the above address.
If you have any doubts that Bush has committed crimes warranting
impeachment, read this page: http://ImpeachForPeace.org/evidence/
If you're concerned that impeachment might not be the best strategy
at this point, read the bottom of this page: http://ImpeachForPeace.org
"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
Bush, June 18, 2002
"War is Peace."
Big Brother in George Orwell's 1984
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Posted by: jacobpark on Mar 3, 2007 10:15 AM
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We need everybody who supports impeachment to get involved!
www.a28.org
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