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One Big Fat Lie
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The scare tactics are working. Americans continue to pump billions, and blood, sweat, and tears into their "body projects," convinced that if they are fat, they are doomed.
Conflating fat with sickness is a dangerous delusion. The truth about fat, reinforced recently by a $419 million federal study involving 49,000 women, is that it does not automatically indicate unhealthiness. Many thin people, who don't exercise or eat balanced diets, are at a greater risk for disease than those with some extra padding who work out and eat relatively right. Your health can only be improved by movement and moderation. That's it. The study, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association last month, concludes that low-fat diets do not, despite all of the hype, reduce a woman's risk of cancer or heart disease.
Being fat is not equivalent to being unfit. In fact, being underweight actually kills over 30,000 Americans a year. Equating weight loss, instead of lifestyle changes, with improved health is "like saying 'whiter teeth produced by the elimination of smoking reduces the incidence of lung cancer,'" argues J. Eric Oliver, author of Fat Politics: The Real Story Behind America's Obesity Epidemic. Even a group of CDC researchers admit that "evidence that weight loss improves survival is limited."
So why do highly educated, media-savvy Americans continue to buy into the idea that the thinner one is, the healthier and happier one is? The mammoth diet industry, not to mention the exercise, beauty, fashion, and cosmetic surgery industries, certainly has something to do with it. In America, alone, we spend $40 billion annually on diet products, even though diets prove to be ineffective 95 percent of the time. Not only is our stupidity disturbing -- those stakes wouldn't even lure the drunkest of Vegas gamblers -- but the implications are foreboding.
There is a slippery slope from dieting to disease, as the 7 million girls and women suffering from eating disorders in this country will attest. Thirty-five percent of those who diet go on to yo-yo diet, dragging their bodies through a cycle of weight gains and losses far more unhealthy than just being overweight; 25 percent of those who diet develop partial or full syndrome eating disorders. Mindfulness advocate Susan Albers writes: "The dieting mindset is akin to taking a knife and cutting the connection that is your body's only line of communication with your head." There is little hope for long-term health improvement with this vital line severed.
Cut off from our ability to listen to our authentic hungers, we ride a roller coaster of marketed cravings and emotional upheaval -- overeating, then guiltily undereating, then overeating again. But unlike brief and thrilling amusement park adventures, we can't seem to get off the ride. The explosion of coverage on "the obesity epidemic," though well-intentioned, has not served as the emergency break nutritionists and doctors so hoped it would. Instead, the sensational news spots on the dangers of obesity have often fed misperceptions about the direct link between fat and unhealthiness, or worse, fat and unworthiness.
Hyperbolic reportage on the expanding waistlines of America's children, in particular, has created a damaging hysteria. Fat camps are flooded with applicants who are solidly within their recommended body weight. In 1995, 34 percent of high school-aged girls in the U.S. thought they were overweight. Today, 90 percent do. And those who really are fat, and yes, there are many, are subjected to increasing scrutiny and scolding. The fat kid in school, once the butt of mean jokes, is now the target of a societal assault. A recent survey of parents found that 1 in 10 would abort a child if they found out that he or she had a genetic tendency to be fat.
We are being brainwashed by sensationalistic news segments and the 250 ads we see a day that tell us, not only that fat is unhealthy, but a sign of weak character. In a recent poll by Ellegirl magazine of 10,000 readers, 30 percent said they would rather be thin than healthy. Over half the young women between the ages of 18 and 25 would prefer to be run over by a truck than be fat, and two-thirds surveyed would rather be mean or stupid. The single group of teenagers most likely to consider or attempt suicide is girls who worry that they are overweight.
The messages are coming in loud and clear, and they are riddled with disempowering dichotomies -- all or nothing, feast or famine, disgustingly fat or virtuously thin, deeply flawed or triumphantly perfect. There is no talk of what Buddhists describe as "the middle path," no discussion of the pleasure of walking, eating homemade food, slowing down. There is no permission to say "no" sometimes and "yes" sometimes, and have those no's and yeses be simple answers, insignificant scores on a Scrabble board, representative of nothing more than a mood. Instead our yeses and no's signify our desirability, our life expectancy, our self-worth.
It is not fat itself that is unhealthy, but our hypocritical attitudes and compulsive behaviors that are. We drive two blocks to the grocery store and then spend 20 minutes circling the parking lot so we can get a close spot. Once inside we load up our carts with low-fat, microwave meals and diet shakes filled with artificial everything. In the checkout line, we read about the latest fitness trend in Men's Health or Self, then get back into our cars, drive the two blocks home, and sit in front of the television all night eating Pizza Hut while drinking a liter of Diet Coke. We go to bed late, wake up early, head to work -- in our cars, of course -- where we will spend the next eight hours stationary and bored. Rinse. Repeat.
We don't need expensive, genetically engineered foods or state-of-the-art exercise equipment. We don't need fancy doctors or pharmaceutical drugs. We don't need the latest diet craze book or even the latest medical study -- they all seem to contradict each other anyway. We don't even need Herculean willpower.
We just need to leave our cars in the garage, stroll down to the park, and play some softball with our neighbors on a Saturday. We just need to enjoy every last bite of our home-baked birthday cakes, then have some oatmeal for breakfast the next morning. We need to resist the pressure to overwork and underenjoy. If we want to live long, healthy, happy lives, then we need to stop believing the hype. We need to rediscover our own wise instincts that know far more about well-being than a whole country of experts.
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Posted by: oldsmobile on Mar 2, 2006 12:34 AM
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Americans are fat because they eat too much and move about too little. Sure, there is a "diet craze" and eatign disorders and such, but with a simple lifestyle change that involves excersize and smart eating habits, one can have a normal weight, be healthy and live long.
Get over it, Americans are fat AND can do something about it too.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 2, 2006 1:06 AM
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You do have a choice--
Smoke and risk dying from Lung Cancer, C.O.P.D. or heart disease.
or
Eat like the average american and die with Type 2 Diabetes & CHF as your weight continues to soar.
Make your final selection, please.
All irony aside, the death rate for people is still 100%. You can spend your whole life doing all of the right stuff, none of the bad stuff and you are still going to die. You might even die at a shockingly young age.
The one thing that is sure about life is that your next breath or heartbeat is not a given. Live in the here and now. Just do it wisely.
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Posted by: anothername on Mar 2, 2006 4:42 AM
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Alas, what does Mike Huckabee talk about as obesity solutions as head of the National Governor's Association? It certainly is not about providing state money to communities for pubilc transportation and sidewalks. Public transportation is important because it gets people out of their homes, to the movies or to visit friends, instead of staying home eating.
Also in the mainstream press lately is the idiotic practice of having pre-paid food accounts for students so their parents can limit what they eat each day. Drive the students all over, then tell them they can only eat certain foods during a very limited time at school. (These prepaid accounts also resemble the concept of credit and/or debit cards, and the ease of swiping a card instead of counting cash and the ease of replenishing money, or expanding credit, whenever the funds run dry.)
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Posted by: TomCampitelli on Mar 2, 2006 5:34 AM
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I strongly question that 30,000 number. From where did it come? Are these people dying of starvation? Is this from anorexia? Since absolutely no backup is provided for this number, I can't take it very seriously.
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Posted by: Sunfell on Mar 2, 2006 6:29 AM
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Portion sizes have jumped enormously since the 80s, too. When I go out to eat, I only eat 1/3 to 1/2 of what I am served and take the rest home- but most people clean their plates. A 'small' drink is the same size that a 'large' drink was 20-25 years ago. And a large drink ought to be served with a diving board, because they are so huge.
If you eat large amounts of crap food, you're going to end up with a crap body and crap diseases like high cholestrol and diabetes.
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Posted by: Orwells_nightmare on Mar 2, 2006 6:45 AM
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I seriously think the use of language is a contributing factor. We need to change the way we talk about this issue, for example, instead of 'weight loss' or 'weight gain,' how about 'weight control?'
If we change the emphasis from being thin to having a sort of 'corridor' of healthy weight to stay within, (you've seen the height-weight charts in doctor's offices =) I think people might take a more relaxed attitude, but it needs a proper, common sense and popular solution instead of medical authorities just shaking their finger and complaining about the 'thin at all costs' lobby
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Posted by: BuckFush on Mar 2, 2006 6:58 AM
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This article is BS, disguised as roses.
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Posted by: saywhat? on Mar 2, 2006 7:48 AM
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i also have some dealings with anorexics which is probably the most devastating disease i have ever seen....those who don't recover literally waste away and the selfesteem of the (mosty) women is lower than any drug addiction....
the article correctly points out how diets further exacerbate the problem.....the other significant problem is the fast food industry
i think the solution to the problem involves education ...where does that begin? if parents are parked at the tv and not cooking meals what signal does that send?
i also don't understand this not thin , but skinny obsession this culture has....first of all most of us aren't that skinny, and when skin lays on bone so close we end up looking like corpses....plus the postures presented in fashion mags will cause aches and pains in the joints as we age....people in third world countries walk tall and straight and have fewer neck, back, and knee problems....
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Posted by: bettsoff on Mar 2, 2006 8:17 AM
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I guess it's not so much a diet as relearning a healthy way to eat. This article provides just as much scaremongering as the articles it criticizes. All the suggestions for healthy lifestyle change are found in the comments. Thumbs down.
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Posted by: jackie on Mar 2, 2006 8:23 AM
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Posted by: Moonray on Mar 2, 2006 8:23 AM
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Just walk outside and check out the poor slobs waddling down the street like animated bowling balls. It's pathetic.
Diabetes has reached epidemic levels, and doctors are correctly warning that this national tsunami of fat will doom an entire generation to ill health for decades.
And yet people like Courtney Martin blame it all on discrimination against heavy people. Amazing.
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Posted by: truthtopower on Mar 2, 2006 8:29 AM
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While it may suck that you are going to be judged on your looks and your weight, take a look at the number of octogenarians and centenarians that are 50 + lbs. overweight.
Fat and fit? Not if you want to live a long, healthy life.
Alternet, we visit to get away from ideologues, not to see a different brand.
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Posted by: lianne on Mar 2, 2006 9:06 AM
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He laughed.
As far as he was concerned, while I was thirty pounds or so over the 'ideal' weight for my height, my blood pressure was at the low end of the normal scale, my blood sugar was just dandy, my cholesterol was excellent, I exercise regularly, and while my diet isn't perfect, it's still more than adequate.
Basically, in his view you pile all that on one side of the scale against the weight 'problem', and he didn't conside it a contest. Ignore the scales and focus on the rest was his advice.
If only everyone in the medical field had his common sense.
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Posted by: FCAlive on Mar 2, 2006 10:12 AM
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You probably meant $419 million
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Mar 2, 2006 10:33 AM
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There is PLENTY of clinical evidence that being slightly underweight is a way to extend your life. The author says that overweight people who exercise and eat properly are healthy than thin people who don't exercise and eat well. Being obese highly increases the likelihood of dying from colon cancer, heart disease and diabetes. Excess belly fat creates more cortisol stress hormones - this changes one's entire body chemistry.
Then the authors solution is to get more public transit so people will walk more for exercise. If someone is morbidly obese (10% more than having a BMI index of 26%) then walking to the bus and light rail is not enough aerobic cardiovascular exercise to melt the fat. A woman who is 5'4" and weighs 200 pounds needs to do aerobic exercise at least 3 times a week for 45 minutes each time in order to lose weight - walking to the bus or subway isn't going to do it. Of course, walking more and getting off one's fanny and out of the car is good for you - but it won't help someone who is 50 pounds or more overweight get down to a healthy size figure.
This is a very sloppily written article - it assumes that all Americans don't get enough sleep, watch TV 10 hours a night, stuff their pie-hole with Pizza Hut and Coca Cola - whilst going to the supermarket and buying low fat, low carb processed food. The most extreme of examples is used to make gross generalizations about millions of people. Yes, Americans DO eat too much junk food and are sedentary. I agree with that - but trying to present his argument that it is healthier to be fat and exercise if you eat whole foods - than it is to be underweight is NONSENSE.
Can't alternet get better articles than this? Who is your fact checker? Lots of allegations were made in this article with nothing to back it up!
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Posted by: pomes on Mar 2, 2006 10:21 AM
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The comments here are not the comments of people concerned about a potential health crisis. They are the comments of people who are excited to have a group to insult freely.
Comments like "fat phuckers," comparing people to bowling balls, someone even called overweight people "monsters." These are human beings. Just like the Muslims and other marginalized social groups people on this site are always sticking up for. And yes, overweight people ARE marginalized socially in many ways, ask any overweight person. They deserve the dignity accorded to any human being. Some of you are pathetic, on top of being hypocrites.
This issue puts the lie to many people's professed belief in human respect and dignity. As for the link between weight and health, weight is one of many, many factors which determine a person's overall health, many of which are far more important than weight but get far less attention because most people lose weight not to get healthy but to open the doors of society to them.
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To me, I don't see the difference between that and "I saw two fags walking down the street holding hands like they were a normal couple. Can you believe the nerve?!"
To them, it is normal. It is their life. It is what they are. They aren't going to spend their lives hiding in shame and humiliation because you get your ideals of "normal" from Maxim and Cosmo, and I laugh at the idea that they should simply because it offends your eyes to see them.
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Posted by: Moonray on Mar 2, 2006 11:35 AM
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There's simply too much illness attributable to obesity to pretend it isn't true.
She can make a good argument about the bias against fatties, but the Woman As Victim mantra is so tiresome. (We see plenty of that on the cable news networks every night.) Enough already.
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Posted by: kwfryatl on Mar 2, 2006 11:43 AM
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Yes, it is very easy to be overweight in our society; however, given all the clear-cut facts regarding nutrition as it relates to simple biology (calories expended always need to balance calories ingested), like it or not, at the end of the day it comes down to one’s personal choice. (However, I want to make it clear that I do not believe – in any way – that struggling with being overweight/obese is any kind of “personal moral failure”.) While those choices may be influenced and motivated by numerous factors (including one’s psyche), the fact remains that at any time, we have an opportunity to make a choice for healthier living that will only serve to enhance our life in so many ways.
When the harsh reality of being 25 pounds overweight (and clearly on my way to even more) slapped me in the face, I realized it was my choice: no one was forcing me to drive-thru at the fast-food restaurants; no one was forcing me to eat an entire pint of Haagen-Dazs Chocolate Chocolate Chip; no one was forcing me to eat the entire, ridiculously large plate of food the casual dining restaurants put in front of me. When I looked in the mirror naked and didn’t like what I saw, I decided the time had come for me to simply make different choices regarding eating and physical activity, in addition to addressing whatever issues in my psyche may be have been influencing my eating patterns.
While I understand and sympathize with the author of the article and many of the comments posted here, I prefer to deal with reality, and the reality is that – for the vast majority of the population – being overweight/obese carries numerous, well-documented health risks, and – at this point in time – is simply not acceptable in our society.
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Posted by: rclord on Mar 2, 2006 12:15 PM
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People eat these foods, and then get cravings because the foods are not real. It doesn't fill them up. So they eat more and more of these foods, and it takes longer for them to stop being hungry. By then, they have gained some weight. This is most likely because the foods are probably more fattening than advertised.
I have proof of this: a year and a half ago I went to Italy, and I ate lots of pasta. I ended up being thinner than I would have been if I ate the same amount of pasta in the States! One of the people I traveled with had a similar experience, and he commented to an Italian friend of his about this. This friend said: "You Americans don't understand. Our foods don't have the artificial chemicals and flavoring and GMOs yours do."
Incidentally, I once read that Italy banned McDonalds' from being built in one or more of its cities, though I forget the cities' names.
I also think this situation in the United States is exacerbated by too unrealistic standards of thinness. People see pictures of fashion models, and try desperately to be as thin as the models are; not realizing that the models in the photos are often airbrushed to look more "ideal." So these people go on silly faddish diets, consume "diet" pharmaceuticals and "weight-loss" foods that are supposed to be chemically and/or genetically altered so they're less fattening, and then get depressed when they realize these things don't really work. By then, they have cravings because these "diet foods" are also not real food.
I believe that too much advertising and people being brainwashed by it is one reason why many Americans seem to be obsessed with weight. But obesity is also beginning to be a problem in other countries, due to consumption of McDonalds' and other fast foods.
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Posted by: goodnightjulia on Mar 2, 2006 1:15 PM
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Carrying around 50 extra pounds is unhealthy and hard on your body. No one is disputing that. The issue is that weight is a continuum; just because you're not skinny doesn't mean you're fat. It's not all or nothing--as long as you eat right and exercise, you can be healthy without being super-thin. Yes, it is possible.
Also, unhealthy though it may be, obesity should not make people "fair game". I like the comment above that mentioned that saying that fat people have some nerve walking around like "normal" people is like saying that gay couples have some nerve walking around holding hands or displaying any kind of affection like "normal" people. We liberal, progressive people here at AlterNet would never say something like the latter, would we? So why is it so acceptable to throw around the former?
I'm not crazy about everything in this article, but the point--that America has an obsession with weight and an extremely skiewed viewpoint concerning it--is valid.
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Posted by: epski on Mar 2, 2006 5:27 PM
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There is a monumental difference between a little extra padding and obese. Obesity is dangerous for all the reasons exclamed anywhere you look. The problem with "extra padding" is that it's hard to tell with some people whether they are "big-boned" or getting a little pudgy.
Despite whether one is obese or simply overweight, take the excessive amounts of animal products and sugars out of people's diets, add a reasonable amount of exercise, and watch that weight come down for the majority of people.
Even "skinny" people can lose some "extra padding."
I lost a waist-size after adopting a plant-based diet, and I was already a 33 waist to begin with. I don't exercise a crazy amount, and I'm quite irregular about it due to my strange work schedule, but my diet has been relieved of animal products and soft drinks, as well as most sugar and corn-syrup-based snacks (I still eat the occasional dark chocolate, candied nuts, soy ice cream, vegan cookies, and so on, but no completely empty sugar candies).
Now, I still enjoy my eating habits, but I'm leaner in my mid-30s than I was in my mid-20s. Lower cholesterol, too. The health impact of both of these is tremendous, especially as I approach my 40s. Anyway, I'm rambling.
Read T. Colin Campbell's "The China Study" if you need any more evidence that we're obese, and that the Standard American Diet is killing us.
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Posted by: famouspipeliner on Mar 2, 2006 7:53 PM
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What if all the junk food was taken away and you had to eat the food mom put on your plate. No, that must have been another world. Does anyone even remember it? Remember the world before video games, cable tv, junk food? People are buying and eating crap because that's what is there.
The consequences are there for all to see.
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Posted by: MEL810 on Mar 2, 2006 10:13 PM
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1. America, on the average, is getting too fat from too little exercise and time spent outdoors and from eating too much junk food in too big servings. Much of our food is nutrient deficent.
A little extra padding may not hurt too much, but obesity is very unhealthy.
Yo-yo dieting and all kinds of fad diets make the problem worse.
While I would never ridicule or dsicriminate against an obese person, I do find extreme obesity unattractive. I also find anoerexic thinness and 'roid built muscle freaks unattractive!
Normal or a little more or a little less is what I find attractive.
2. While being fit is good and maintaining a normal weight is good, Americans, especially women, see people of average or normal weight for their height and age (weight increases as we age) as too fat. We have an unhealthy image of normal women and think the stick thin models are healthy images. They are not. Since when is being as thin as a famine victim healthy? VERY FEW WOMEN WILL EVER BE A SIZE TWO OR FOUR AND LOOK GOOD DOING SO! If you are five ten and a size two, you are way too thin.
The answer would be to have a realistic body image and strive to maintain a healthy diet and get reasonable exericse and stress relief. Stress ups cortisol which adds belly fat.
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a) Advertising: Packaging junk as food: they're starving to death. The poor body is being stuffed with chemical packaging whilst it craves nutrition. So, people pig out unconsciously - zonked out in front of the TV or computer, which affects metabolism. The cycle continues because crap is addictive and they are not consciously eating but literally 'stuffing their faces'.Look at the proportion of fresh vegetables to packaged rubbish like biscuits in supermarkets?
b) Advertising: Convenience: A UK survey recently concluded that the majority of young career people considered a package meal bunged in the microwave, or opening a can of something and putting it in a saucepan as 'home cooking'. It's a mystery to me why cookery books sell so well and celebrity chefs are fawned over. I think they read a recipe which either stimulates them to go to a restaurant or pick up something similar pre-packaged, full of nasties, at the supermarket.
c) Advertising: Low Self Esteem: Exposed to ever-lithe, unnatainable perfection via tv, magazines etc. girls/women in particular, but increasingly boys/men desire to look well proportioned and attractive but subconsciously 'reject' this is possible for them personally, instead, living a fantasy live through two-dimensional projected images 'living a life' saaaad.
This is depressing when the show's over and they turn to their 'comfort' food for solace. This is turn, also makes them feel guilty. People of all sizes and ages will say things 'oh, I shouldn't really' like naughty children when tucking into a big creamy pastry. The message to the subconscious is: This is bad for me and will make me fat. The subsconsious obliges in instructing the body accordingly with all-too-obvious results. Guilt and low self-esteem are major killers.
Advertising: Diets: diet foods, sodas the whole big money-spinning hype that it is. Counter-productive.
So-called food manufacturers ought to be sued for producing mass starvation and disease. There is so little nutritional value in even euphemistically-called 'fresh' vegetables and fruit due to soil depletion, chemicals, intensive farming, storage, transport, and preserved shelf-life that we are all suffering this malaise to a greater degree or other. Oh, and please don't ever eat soya again - it's lethal to nutritional absorption - disgusting pooh.
Grow your own veg if Homeland Security will allow this and if you can find non-GM seeds not yet confiscated by the most evil company on the planet - Monsanto.
My advice is that it's never too late to take up smoking (moderately - rolling tobacco) and learn the difference between the respective orifi and their functions - or am I talking out of my posterier? One day, I have a vision of making my very own fitness video called How to Look Great at 48 featuring yours truly with fag in one hand, pint of Bitter in the other expounding on the virtues of positive affirmation, self-acceptance and the most important junk to drop - the media hype. Enjoy everything you put in your mouth, or leave it out. What's that saying? "Life is not about arriving to your coffin in a perfect body, unblemished. Rather it is sliding sideways, glass of wine in hand, battered, exhausted and thoroughly used up, shouting 'Whoa! what a ride"!
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Posted by: shadiahm on Mar 2, 2006 11:45 PM
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And guess what? I'm almost 300 pounds. But my blood sugar is far from that of a diabetic.
I started dieting when I was 5 years old and now my metabolism is completely fucked up, along with other aspects of my health.
People come in all shapes, colors, and sexual orientations. You'd think liberals -- probably quite a few of you who would consider yourselves feminists -- would know that. But the level of hatred I've seen in these comments is staggering.
There is definitely a problem with the way Americans eat and the amount of exercise they get. But the human body is far more complex than simply explaining obesity as a problem of behavior. And blaming just anyone who happens to be fat won't change that one bit.
To those of you who would call me a "fat slob," I say, be glad you got lucky with the right genes for this particular historical context, assholes.
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SHAME ON YOU.
You would never walk up a openly gay person and call them a fag to their face. You'd never call a mentally ill person a fucking wacko. But yet, you pour out all this venom and hatred onto people who either eat too much, don't exercise enough, or have health issues that lead to obesity. Where in hell do you get off doing that???!!! Don't you DARE claim that you have the moral and superior high road until you've had someone spit in your food and say "I bet she'll still eat it!", because that's what you're doing, except it's on a computer. My best friend was overwieght (+100lbs) for years. She would go to the gym to try to exercise and was repeatedly told by skinny instructors that she would break the equipment if she got on it. She's try to go for walks along the road and have trash thrown at her from people screming obscenities as they drove by. I saw her struggle day after day to build some self-esteem because in order to lose weight, you need to think that you are worthy of being healthy, of being alive. Her counselor called it a slow suicide.
So to all of you people: FUCK YOU. YOU disgust me.
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Posted by: abqbabe on Mar 3, 2006 12:35 PM
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The real problem is that different people have different metabolisms and genetics, and that many fat people eat much less than most thin people. We are nature's guarantee against famine, you blockheads. In fact many of us came from substistance farming and famine backgrounds within the last few generations.
The real problem is that we eat synthetic food, meat and dairy products filled with growth hormones to increase weight gain, and fruit and vegetables genetically selected for bigness not nutritional value. Our culture has substituted soda pop (sugar and caffeine) for good water; empty junk food calories for real bread; high fructose, fat and "vitamin enrichment" for real grains, fruits and vegetables grown on healthy organic soil - not that de-natured, sterile growing medium pumped with chemical fertilizers (Meth for plants) that most farms call soil today.
The real problem is that we have allowed ourselves to be brainwashed by corporations that "thin" is the only beautiful (because it is so unattainable by most people after the age of 30); that processed "food products" are nutritionally equal to good food; that weight is not a natural population variable, but a "choice" (oh, yeah, I really LOVE being fat); and that GMO, and chemical and hormone impregnated food will not have any negative effects on [most of] the people who eat it.
Yeah, most Americans eat more than they need to, and many others make poor food choices, but you'll notice it only becomes a social crime when the people doing it are overweight. Many of us are just victims of the system, chasing that shining ideal of "thin", by spending a lifetime on unending, multiple diets that do nothing except TEACH OUR BODIES TO STARVE and conserve calories, until we can live on practically nothing and are still fat.
Dieting isn't an answer - it's part of the problem, as the people who make money on diet "aids" and books well know.
So if you aren't fat and are over 30, stop judging others whose lives you know nothing about, thank GOD for your lucky metabolism - and hope you don't have to live through a famine anytime soon.
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Posted by: fifthworld on Mar 4, 2006 11:22 AM
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Folks, ever feel like all the opining becomes another weapon of mass distraction?? Democratic forum, yes, and "God Bless America" (someone has to), but more wisdom, sober reflection, respect, research,... any more re's?!
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Oh, right, I forgot. Since the diet/pharmaceutical/medical/"beauty" industry would lose money, we're not permitted to think about such things, are we? No, just keep watching the television and consuming fear. I'm sure Big Brother puts our "health" first, doesn't he?
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Posted by: mrexcellerator on Mar 5, 2006 11:13 PM
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I'm not making excuses for the ignorance that contributes to obesity but the reason you see so many more poor fat people these days is tied to macroeconomic trends among other things.
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We can't afford YOU. So, since you have such a cavil attitude towards health, "live and let die" approach, then please, do us all a favor and cut up your health insurance card so the rest of us don't have to PAY for your lifestyle. No one ever does cut up their insurance card...so much for "we are all going to die some day anyway". Interesting.
By the way, if you want an informed view, try reading "ashes to ashes", "food politics", "hope or hype". YOUR decisions concerning what you eat, what you do with your body are not your own. You are heavily influenced by advertising.
For my fellow citizens who are "low-income", its hard to target blame. They can't go out and get physical exercise because their neighborhoods aren't safe, they can't eat healthy, wholesome meals because they don't have enough money and time to prepare them, tv makes a good babysitter when parents have to work 2 and 3 jobs to make ends meet, and schools don't provide healthy meals or opportunities to "stretch your legs." These guys at least have an excuse, but middle America, you have no excuse.
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Americans are fat because they eat too much and move about too little. Sure, there is a "diet craze" and eatign disorders and such, but with a simple lifestyle change that involves excersize and smart eating habits, one can have a normal weight, be healthy and live long.
Get over it, Americans are fat AND can do something about it too.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 2, 2006 1:06 AM
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You do have a choice--
Smoke and risk dying from Lung Cancer, C.O.P.D. or heart disease.
or
Eat like the average american and die with Type 2 Diabetes & CHF as your weight continues to soar.
Make your final selection, please.
All irony aside, the death rate for people is still 100%. You can spend your whole life doing all of the right stuff, none of the bad stuff and you are still going to die. You might even die at a shockingly young age.
The one thing that is sure about life is that your next breath or heartbeat is not a given. Live in the here and now. Just do it wisely.
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Alas, what does Mike Huckabee talk about as obesity solutions as head of the National Governor's Association? It certainly is not about providing state money to communities for pubilc transportation and sidewalks. Public transportation is important because it gets people out of their homes, to the movies or to visit friends, instead of staying home eating.
Also in the mainstream press lately is the idiotic practice of having pre-paid food accounts for students so their parents can limit what they eat each day. Drive the students all over, then tell them they can only eat certain foods during a very limited time at school. (These prepaid accounts also resemble the concept of credit and/or debit cards, and the ease of swiping a card instead of counting cash and the ease of replenishing money, or expanding credit, whenever the funds run dry.)
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I strongly question that 30,000 number. From where did it come? Are these people dying of starvation? Is this from anorexia? Since absolutely no backup is provided for this number, I can't take it very seriously.
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Portion sizes have jumped enormously since the 80s, too. When I go out to eat, I only eat 1/3 to 1/2 of what I am served and take the rest home- but most people clean their plates. A 'small' drink is the same size that a 'large' drink was 20-25 years ago. And a large drink ought to be served with a diving board, because they are so huge.
If you eat large amounts of crap food, you're going to end up with a crap body and crap diseases like high cholestrol and diabetes.
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I seriously think the use of language is a contributing factor. We need to change the way we talk about this issue, for example, instead of 'weight loss' or 'weight gain,' how about 'weight control?'
If we change the emphasis from being thin to having a sort of 'corridor' of healthy weight to stay within, (you've seen the height-weight charts in doctor's offices =) I think people might take a more relaxed attitude, but it needs a proper, common sense and popular solution instead of medical authorities just shaking their finger and complaining about the 'thin at all costs' lobby
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This article is BS, disguised as roses.
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i also have some dealings with anorexics which is probably the most devastating disease i have ever seen....those who don't recover literally waste away and the selfesteem of the (mosty) women is lower than any drug addiction....
the article correctly points out how diets further exacerbate the problem.....the other significant problem is the fast food industry
i think the solution to the problem involves education ...where does that begin? if parents are parked at the tv and not cooking meals what signal does that send?
i also don't understand this not thin , but skinny obsession this culture has....first of all most of us aren't that skinny, and when skin lays on bone so close we end up looking like corpses....plus the postures presented in fashion mags will cause aches and pains in the joints as we age....people in third world countries walk tall and straight and have fewer neck, back, and knee problems....
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Posted by: bettsoff on Mar 2, 2006 8:17 AM
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I guess it's not so much a diet as relearning a healthy way to eat. This article provides just as much scaremongering as the articles it criticizes. All the suggestions for healthy lifestyle change are found in the comments. Thumbs down.
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Just walk outside and check out the poor slobs waddling down the street like animated bowling balls. It's pathetic.
Diabetes has reached epidemic levels, and doctors are correctly warning that this national tsunami of fat will doom an entire generation to ill health for decades.
And yet people like Courtney Martin blame it all on discrimination against heavy people. Amazing.
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Posted by: truthtopower on Mar 2, 2006 8:29 AM
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While it may suck that you are going to be judged on your looks and your weight, take a look at the number of octogenarians and centenarians that are 50 + lbs. overweight.
Fat and fit? Not if you want to live a long, healthy life.
Alternet, we visit to get away from ideologues, not to see a different brand.
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Posted by: lianne on Mar 2, 2006 9:06 AM
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He laughed.
As far as he was concerned, while I was thirty pounds or so over the 'ideal' weight for my height, my blood pressure was at the low end of the normal scale, my blood sugar was just dandy, my cholesterol was excellent, I exercise regularly, and while my diet isn't perfect, it's still more than adequate.
Basically, in his view you pile all that on one side of the scale against the weight 'problem', and he didn't conside it a contest. Ignore the scales and focus on the rest was his advice.
If only everyone in the medical field had his common sense.
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Posted by: mviscid on Mar 2, 2006 9:13 AM
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Posted by: FCAlive on Mar 2, 2006 10:12 AM
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You probably meant $419 million
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Mar 2, 2006 10:33 AM
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There is PLENTY of clinical evidence that being slightly underweight is a way to extend your life. The author says that overweight people who exercise and eat properly are healthy than thin people who don't exercise and eat well. Being obese highly increases the likelihood of dying from colon cancer, heart disease and diabetes. Excess belly fat creates more cortisol stress hormones - this changes one's entire body chemistry.
Then the authors solution is to get more public transit so people will walk more for exercise. If someone is morbidly obese (10% more than having a BMI index of 26%) then walking to the bus and light rail is not enough aerobic cardiovascular exercise to melt the fat. A woman who is 5'4" and weighs 200 pounds needs to do aerobic exercise at least 3 times a week for 45 minutes each time in order to lose weight - walking to the bus or subway isn't going to do it. Of course, walking more and getting off one's fanny and out of the car is good for you - but it won't help someone who is 50 pounds or more overweight get down to a healthy size figure.
This is a very sloppily written article - it assumes that all Americans don't get enough sleep, watch TV 10 hours a night, stuff their pie-hole with Pizza Hut and Coca Cola - whilst going to the supermarket and buying low fat, low carb processed food. The most extreme of examples is used to make gross generalizations about millions of people. Yes, Americans DO eat too much junk food and are sedentary. I agree with that - but trying to present his argument that it is healthier to be fat and exercise if you eat whole foods - than it is to be underweight is NONSENSE.
Can't alternet get better articles than this? Who is your fact checker? Lots of allegations were made in this article with nothing to back it up!
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Posted by: pomes on Mar 2, 2006 10:21 AM
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The comments here are not the comments of people concerned about a potential health crisis. They are the comments of people who are excited to have a group to insult freely.
Comments like "fat phuckers," comparing people to bowling balls, someone even called overweight people "monsters." These are human beings. Just like the Muslims and other marginalized social groups people on this site are always sticking up for. And yes, overweight people ARE marginalized socially in many ways, ask any overweight person. They deserve the dignity accorded to any human being. Some of you are pathetic, on top of being hypocrites.
This issue puts the lie to many people's professed belief in human respect and dignity. As for the link between weight and health, weight is one of many, many factors which determine a person's overall health, many of which are far more important than weight but get far less attention because most people lose weight not to get healthy but to open the doors of society to them.
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To me, I don't see the difference between that and "I saw two fags walking down the street holding hands like they were a normal couple. Can you believe the nerve?!"
To them, it is normal. It is their life. It is what they are. They aren't going to spend their lives hiding in shame and humiliation because you get your ideals of "normal" from Maxim and Cosmo, and I laugh at the idea that they should simply because it offends your eyes to see them.
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Posted by: Moonray on Mar 2, 2006 11:35 AM
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There's simply too much illness attributable to obesity to pretend it isn't true.
She can make a good argument about the bias against fatties, but the Woman As Victim mantra is so tiresome. (We see plenty of that on the cable news networks every night.) Enough already.
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Posted by: kwfryatl on Mar 2, 2006 11:43 AM
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Yes, it is very easy to be overweight in our society; however, given all the clear-cut facts regarding nutrition as it relates to simple biology (calories expended always need to balance calories ingested), like it or not, at the end of the day it comes down to one’s personal choice. (However, I want to make it clear that I do not believe – in any way – that struggling with being overweight/obese is any kind of “personal moral failure”.) While those choices may be influenced and motivated by numerous factors (including one’s psyche), the fact remains that at any time, we have an opportunity to make a choice for healthier living that will only serve to enhance our life in so many ways.
When the harsh reality of being 25 pounds overweight (and clearly on my way to even more) slapped me in the face, I realized it was my choice: no one was forcing me to drive-thru at the fast-food restaurants; no one was forcing me to eat an entire pint of Haagen-Dazs Chocolate Chocolate Chip; no one was forcing me to eat the entire, ridiculously large plate of food the casual dining restaurants put in front of me. When I looked in the mirror naked and didn’t like what I saw, I decided the time had come for me to simply make different choices regarding eating and physical activity, in addition to addressing whatever issues in my psyche may be have been influencing my eating patterns.
While I understand and sympathize with the author of the article and many of the comments posted here, I prefer to deal with reality, and the reality is that – for the vast majority of the population – being overweight/obese carries numerous, well-documented health risks, and – at this point in time – is simply not acceptable in our society.
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Posted by: rclord on Mar 2, 2006 12:15 PM
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People eat these foods, and then get cravings because the foods are not real. It doesn't fill them up. So they eat more and more of these foods, and it takes longer for them to stop being hungry. By then, they have gained some weight. This is most likely because the foods are probably more fattening than advertised.
I have proof of this: a year and a half ago I went to Italy, and I ate lots of pasta. I ended up being thinner than I would have been if I ate the same amount of pasta in the States! One of the people I traveled with had a similar experience, and he commented to an Italian friend of his about this. This friend said: "You Americans don't understand. Our foods don't have the artificial chemicals and flavoring and GMOs yours do."
Incidentally, I once read that Italy banned McDonalds' from being built in one or more of its cities, though I forget the cities' names.
I also think this situation in the United States is exacerbated by too unrealistic standards of thinness. People see pictures of fashion models, and try desperately to be as thin as the models are; not realizing that the models in the photos are often airbrushed to look more "ideal." So these people go on silly faddish diets, consume "diet" pharmaceuticals and "weight-loss" foods that are supposed to be chemically and/or genetically altered so they're less fattening, and then get depressed when they realize these things don't really work. By then, they have cravings because these "diet foods" are also not real food.
I believe that too much advertising and people being brainwashed by it is one reason why many Americans seem to be obsessed with weight. But obesity is also beginning to be a problem in other countries, due to consumption of McDonalds' and other fast foods.
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Posted by: goodnightjulia on Mar 2, 2006 1:15 PM
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Carrying around 50 extra pounds is unhealthy and hard on your body. No one is disputing that. The issue is that weight is a continuum; just because you're not skinny doesn't mean you're fat. It's not all or nothing--as long as you eat right and exercise, you can be healthy without being super-thin. Yes, it is possible.
Also, unhealthy though it may be, obesity should not make people "fair game". I like the comment above that mentioned that saying that fat people have some nerve walking around like "normal" people is like saying that gay couples have some nerve walking around holding hands or displaying any kind of affection like "normal" people. We liberal, progressive people here at AlterNet would never say something like the latter, would we? So why is it so acceptable to throw around the former?
I'm not crazy about everything in this article, but the point--that America has an obsession with weight and an extremely skiewed viewpoint concerning it--is valid.
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Posted by: epski on Mar 2, 2006 5:27 PM
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There is a monumental difference between a little extra padding and obese. Obesity is dangerous for all the reasons exclamed anywhere you look. The problem with "extra padding" is that it's hard to tell with some people whether they are "big-boned" or getting a little pudgy.
Despite whether one is obese or simply overweight, take the excessive amounts of animal products and sugars out of people's diets, add a reasonable amount of exercise, and watch that weight come down for the majority of people.
Even "skinny" people can lose some "extra padding."
I lost a waist-size after adopting a plant-based diet, and I was already a 33 waist to begin with. I don't exercise a crazy amount, and I'm quite irregular about it due to my strange work schedule, but my diet has been relieved of animal products and soft drinks, as well as most sugar and corn-syrup-based snacks (I still eat the occasional dark chocolate, candied nuts, soy ice cream, vegan cookies, and so on, but no completely empty sugar candies).
Now, I still enjoy my eating habits, but I'm leaner in my mid-30s than I was in my mid-20s. Lower cholesterol, too. The health impact of both of these is tremendous, especially as I approach my 40s. Anyway, I'm rambling.
Read T. Colin Campbell's "The China Study" if you need any more evidence that we're obese, and that the Standard American Diet is killing us.
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Posted by: famouspipeliner on Mar 2, 2006 7:53 PM
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What if all the junk food was taken away and you had to eat the food mom put on your plate. No, that must have been another world. Does anyone even remember it? Remember the world before video games, cable tv, junk food? People are buying and eating crap because that's what is there.
The consequences are there for all to see.
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Posted by: MEL810 on Mar 2, 2006 10:13 PM
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1. America, on the average, is getting too fat from too little exercise and time spent outdoors and from eating too much junk food in too big servings. Much of our food is nutrient deficent.
A little extra padding may not hurt too much, but obesity is very unhealthy.
Yo-yo dieting and all kinds of fad diets make the problem worse.
While I would never ridicule or dsicriminate against an obese person, I do find extreme obesity unattractive. I also find anoerexic thinness and 'roid built muscle freaks unattractive!
Normal or a little more or a little less is what I find attractive.
2. While being fit is good and maintaining a normal weight is good, Americans, especially women, see people of average or normal weight for their height and age (weight increases as we age) as too fat. We have an unhealthy image of normal women and think the stick thin models are healthy images. They are not. Since when is being as thin as a famine victim healthy? VERY FEW WOMEN WILL EVER BE A SIZE TWO OR FOUR AND LOOK GOOD DOING SO! If you are five ten and a size two, you are way too thin.
The answer would be to have a realistic body image and strive to maintain a healthy diet and get reasonable exericse and stress relief. Stress ups cortisol which adds belly fat.
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Posted by: DaftAida on Mar 2, 2006 10:45 PM
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a) Advertising: Packaging junk as food: they're starving to death. The poor body is being stuffed with chemical packaging whilst it craves nutrition. So, people pig out unconsciously - zonked out in front of the TV or computer, which affects metabolism. The cycle continues because crap is addictive and they are not consciously eating but literally 'stuffing their faces'.Look at the proportion of fresh vegetables to packaged rubbish like biscuits in supermarkets?
b) Advertising: Convenience: A UK survey recently concluded that the majority of young career people considered a package meal bunged in the microwave, or opening a can of something and putting it in a saucepan as 'home cooking'. It's a mystery to me why cookery books sell so well and celebrity chefs are fawned over. I think they read a recipe which either stimulates them to go to a restaurant or pick up something similar pre-packaged, full of nasties, at the supermarket.
c) Advertising: Low Self Esteem: Exposed to ever-lithe, unnatainable perfection via tv, magazines etc. girls/women in particular, but increasingly boys/men desire to look well proportioned and attractive but subconsciously 'reject' this is possible for them personally, instead, living a fantasy live through two-dimensional projected images 'living a life' saaaad.
This is depressing when the show's over and they turn to their 'comfort' food for solace. This is turn, also makes them feel guilty. People of all sizes and ages will say things 'oh, I shouldn't really' like naughty children when tucking into a big creamy pastry. The message to the subconscious is: This is bad for me and will make me fat. The subsconsious obliges in instructing the body accordingly with all-too-obvious results. Guilt and low self-esteem are major killers.
Advertising: Diets: diet foods, sodas the whole big money-spinning hype that it is. Counter-productive.
So-called food manufacturers ought to be sued for producing mass starvation and disease. There is so little nutritional value in even euphemistically-called 'fresh' vegetables and fruit due to soil depletion, chemicals, intensive farming, storage, transport, and preserved shelf-life that we are all suffering this malaise to a greater degree or other. Oh, and please don't ever eat soya again - it's lethal to nutritional absorption - disgusting pooh.
Grow your own veg if Homeland Security will allow this and if you can find non-GM seeds not yet confiscated by the most evil company on the planet - Monsanto.
My advice is that it's never too late to take up smoking (moderately - rolling tobacco) and learn the difference between the respective orifi and their functions - or am I talking out of my posterier? One day, I have a vision of making my very own fitness video called How to Look Great at 48 featuring yours truly with fag in one hand, pint of Bitter in the other expounding on the virtues of positive affirmation, self-acceptance and the most important junk to drop - the media hype. Enjoy everything you put in your mouth, or leave it out. What's that saying? "Life is not about arriving to your coffin in a perfect body, unblemished. Rather it is sliding sideways, glass of wine in hand, battered, exhausted and thoroughly used up, shouting 'Whoa! what a ride"!
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Posted by: shadiahm on Mar 2, 2006 11:45 PM
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And guess what? I'm almost 300 pounds. But my blood sugar is far from that of a diabetic.
I started dieting when I was 5 years old and now my metabolism is completely fucked up, along with other aspects of my health.
People come in all shapes, colors, and sexual orientations. You'd think liberals -- probably quite a few of you who would consider yourselves feminists -- would know that. But the level of hatred I've seen in these comments is staggering.
There is definitely a problem with the way Americans eat and the amount of exercise they get. But the human body is far more complex than simply explaining obesity as a problem of behavior. And blaming just anyone who happens to be fat won't change that one bit.
To those of you who would call me a "fat slob," I say, be glad you got lucky with the right genes for this particular historical context, assholes.
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SHAME ON YOU.
You would never walk up a openly gay person and call them a fag to their face. You'd never call a mentally ill person a fucking wacko. But yet, you pour out all this venom and hatred onto people who either eat too much, don't exercise enough, or have health issues that lead to obesity. Where in hell do you get off doing that???!!! Don't you DARE claim that you have the moral and superior high road until you've had someone spit in your food and say "I bet she'll still eat it!", because that's what you're doing, except it's on a computer. My best friend was overwieght (+100lbs) for years. She would go to the gym to try to exercise and was repeatedly told by skinny instructors that she would break the equipment if she got on it. She's try to go for walks along the road and have trash thrown at her from people screming obscenities as they drove by. I saw her struggle day after day to build some self-esteem because in order to lose weight, you need to think that you are worthy of being healthy, of being alive. Her counselor called it a slow suicide.
So to all of you people: FUCK YOU. YOU disgust me.
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Posted by: abqbabe on Mar 3, 2006 12:35 PM
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The real problem is that different people have different metabolisms and genetics, and that many fat people eat much less than most thin people. We are nature's guarantee against famine, you blockheads. In fact many of us came from substistance farming and famine backgrounds within the last few generations.
The real problem is that we eat synthetic food, meat and dairy products filled with growth hormones to increase weight gain, and fruit and vegetables genetically selected for bigness not nutritional value. Our culture has substituted soda pop (sugar and caffeine) for good water; empty junk food calories for real bread; high fructose, fat and "vitamin enrichment" for real grains, fruits and vegetables grown on healthy organic soil - not that de-natured, sterile growing medium pumped with chemical fertilizers (Meth for plants) that most farms call soil today.
The real problem is that we have allowed ourselves to be brainwashed by corporations that "thin" is the only beautiful (because it is so unattainable by most people after the age of 30); that processed "food products" are nutritionally equal to good food; that weight is not a natural population variable, but a "choice" (oh, yeah, I really LOVE being fat); and that GMO, and chemical and hormone impregnated food will not have any negative effects on [most of] the people who eat it.
Yeah, most Americans eat more than they need to, and many others make poor food choices, but you'll notice it only becomes a social crime when the people doing it are overweight. Many of us are just victims of the system, chasing that shining ideal of "thin", by spending a lifetime on unending, multiple diets that do nothing except TEACH OUR BODIES TO STARVE and conserve calories, until we can live on practically nothing and are still fat.
Dieting isn't an answer - it's part of the problem, as the people who make money on diet "aids" and books well know.
So if you aren't fat and are over 30, stop judging others whose lives you know nothing about, thank GOD for your lucky metabolism - and hope you don't have to live through a famine anytime soon.
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Folks, ever feel like all the opining becomes another weapon of mass distraction?? Democratic forum, yes, and "God Bless America" (someone has to), but more wisdom, sober reflection, respect, research,... any more re's?!
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Oh, right, I forgot. Since the diet/pharmaceutical/medical/"beauty" industry would lose money, we're not permitted to think about such things, are we? No, just keep watching the television and consuming fear. I'm sure Big Brother puts our "health" first, doesn't he?
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I'm not making excuses for the ignorance that contributes to obesity but the reason you see so many more poor fat people these days is tied to macroeconomic trends among other things.
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We can't afford YOU. So, since you have such a cavil attitude towards health, "live and let die" approach, then please, do us all a favor and cut up your health insurance card so the rest of us don't have to PAY for your lifestyle. No one ever does cut up their insurance card...so much for "we are all going to die some day anyway". Interesting.
By the way, if you want an informed view, try reading "ashes to ashes", "food politics", "hope or hype". YOUR decisions concerning what you eat, what you do with your body are not your own. You are heavily influenced by advertising.
For my fellow citizens who are "low-income", its hard to target blame. They can't go out and get physical exercise because their neighborhoods aren't safe, they can't eat healthy, wholesome meals because they don't have enough money and time to prepare them, tv makes a good babysitter when parents have to work 2 and 3 jobs to make ends meet, and schools don't provide healthy meals or opportunities to "stretch your legs." These guys at least have an excuse, but middle America, you have no excuse.
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