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Wanted: A Few Good Americans

By Jeremy Brecher and Brendan Smith, TheNation.com. Posted March 2, 2006.


Ordinary citizens must step up and challenge Congress to stop Bush's policies on torture, unlawful imprisonment and domestic spying.

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Anyone who sees the photographs of the victims of the Nazi concentration camps must wonder how human beings could ever have allowed such things to happen. They must wonder how people of good will could have stood by while their government committed atrocities in their name. In the wake of that nightmarish era, people often asked, "Where were the good Germans?"

After the publication of the long-suppressed pictures of Abu Ghraib victims and the United Nations finding that torture and abuse are still taking place at the U.S. prison in Guantánamo Bay, America has fashioned its own nightmare. We now must ask ourselves, "Where are the good Americans?"

After an eighteen-month study, five independent experts appointed by the U.N. Commission on Human Rights have just concluded that practices currently conducted at the U.S. prison in Guantánamo amount to torture: excessive violence, force-feeding of hunger-striking detainees and arbitrary detention of prisoners that violates their right under international law to challenge the legality of their captivity before an independ -- ent judicial body.

The Bush Administration has condemned the publication of the Abu Ghraib photos and has rejected the U.N. report as "fundamentally flawed." But Americans should be grateful that people in the rest of the world are helping us discover what the Administration is trying to conceal from its own citizens: It is conducting war crimes in our name.

The U.N. report makes recommendations that are simple and obvious:

  • Immediately allow international inspection and supervision to insure an end to force-feeding and special interrogation techniques approved by the Defense Department but condemned under international law.
  • Bring the detainees to trial or release them without delay.
  • Conduct an investigation by an independent authority of all allegations of abuse to insure that all perpetrators of torture and other crimes are brought to justice -- even high-level military and political officials.
  • Close the Guantánamo prison.

The demand to close Guantánamo was quickly seconded by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan. And the European Union Parliament voted 80 to 1 to ask the United States to close Guantánamo and give every prisoner "a fair and public hearing by a competent, independent, impartial tribunal" without delay.

The Bush Administration has placed the responsibility for prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib and elsewhere on a few "bad apples" in the lowest ranks. But since the Nuremberg Tribunal of Nazi war criminals, international law has maintained the principle of "command responsibility," which makes top officials who ordered the crimes or failed to prevent them accountable.

It's not just a question of international law. Administration officials are well aware that the U.S. War Crimes Act makes it a serious crime for any American -- including top government officials -- to commit any "grave breach" of the Geneva Conventions, including "willful killing, torture, or inhuman treatment" of detainees. Perhaps that has something to do with the Administration's eagerness to discredit the U.N. report.

If President Bush won't halt the abuse of U.S. captives, Congress stands next in line for responsibility. Last December, it passed the so-called McCain amendment, which supposedly abolished all torture by U.S. forces anywhere in the world. But the U.N. report makes clear that torture is continuing at Guantánamo.

The law's sponsor, Senator John McCain, promised that Congress would establish oversight over Guantánamo and other U.S. prisons abroad to assure enforcement. But where's Senator McCain now? If he really wants to stop torture, why doesn't he fly to Guantánamo immediately and make sure no one is being abused? Isn't that what McCain would have wanted U.S. senators to do when he was being tortured in a prison cell in Vietnam?

If Congress won't act, then it is up to the people. We must make every family dining table, every house of worship and every town meeting a place to stand up and speak out.

Only then will those who come after us know where the "good Americans" were.

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With the good Germans, where they've always been.
Posted by: wli on Mar 2, 2006 1:39 AM   
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Where were the good Americans when the US was providing arms and other assistance to the Kissinger-approved genocide against East Timor from 1975-1999? (Never mind the list of 500000 "communist sympathizers" the CIA provided Suharto, which he then proceeded to kill to the last man.)

Where were the good Americans when the death squads were roaming Honduras, El Salvador, and Nicaragua in the 1980's, and chainsawing their victims to pieces, among other gruesome methods of killing and torture?

Where were the good Americans when Operation Condor was torturing and killing people all over South America?

Where were the good Americans when the Greek military junta was declaring "We are Americans" as they tortured and massacred their victims?

Where were the good Americans when Mossadegh was overthrown by the CIA, MI5, and the Mossad who then created and trained SAVAK to torture and disappear en masse?

The problem with propaganda is that it works. Most people have never heard of any of this, and never will, or otherwise have long-since forgotten whatever brief mentions of it were made. Most of those who have heard of these things even think they were somehow "justified" by some nebulous notion of "anti-Communism," and likely never heard or otherwise never believed any accounts of the atrocities. The vast majorities believe what they do because it was marketed to them, because they were told so.

It is a form of rational ignorance. It takes time, effort, and at times even money to become informed about these things. The immediate return on this investment is little more than becoming burdened by one's own shared responsibility for the atrocities. What is one morally obligated to do upon discovering war crimes by those in high office in one's own country? When the rulers of your own country are war criminals? Furthermore, aren't one's own hands revealed to be bloody for supporting "the system" that makes the atrocities happen?

People don't want to find out even if it is true, because it's disturbing and implicates them as complicit. They don't want to hear it, just like they didn't want to hear anything real about how JFK died, or the scope of what was done under color of state authority under Iran-Contra, or about "what went wrong" in our recent elections. Then by the time the trauma has passed, very few care or remember at all.

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Ok...
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Mar 2, 2006 2:39 AM   
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...How do we DO That???

Discussions with other "good Americans" doesn't seem to be doing much to stem the tide of torture, even letters to editors, blogs and state representatives do not seem to have any effect... So... As a "Good American" how are we supposed to do what you propose?

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» RE: Ok... Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Ok... Posted by: IanA
» RE: Ok... Posted by: woodford54
» RE: Ok... Posted by: JessB
» RE: Ok... Posted by: woodford54
» RE: Ok... Posted by: Lincoln fan
Wake up America
Posted by: waves999 on Mar 2, 2006 4:52 AM   
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Just shows that the “War on Terra” is a crock o’ shit! Name one war that has solved anything. The chances of an American at home being assailed by a “terrorist” today is just about nil. Has America been attacked lately? No. Are they still looking for BL and the rest of them thar terrorists? No. How many terrorists have been actually caught, taken to court, and found guilty of crimes against the country? None. How many at Gitmo have been charged. None. It really appears as if the whole cold-blooded 9-11 incident was a SET-UP (allowed to happen) by the Illuminati (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati)! And they used the MSM they control specifically to induce FEAR into the minds of Americans (and much of the Free World). Why? So the Illuminati (Bushco et al) can more easily control you... you know, divide and conquer... so they can dilute your constitutional rights... rig and steal elections with crooked voting machines supplied by themselves!... lie to you every time they open their mouths... spy on you (they’ve been doing it for years with their “Echelon” supercomputer system, (see http://home.hiwaay.net/~pspoole/ echelon.html)... ship you off and torture you in a foreign country... sic the IRS on you... so they can STIFLE DISSENT... and even lock you up with no charge and throw away the key! It seems that Bushco et al can pretty well commit any crimes they want nowadays... when they want... all under the guise of “national security” and “hawking democracy” around the world. Another crock o’ shit! The truth is that the “War on Terra” is all about IGNORANCE, GREED and PROFIT... OIL and more MILITARY BASES in the Middle East. But most of all it’s about CONTROL of all of you so they can get away with all this shit!! It has nothing to do with terrorism. If it did, do you think that Bushco would make a deal with one of the UAE to manage his ports? No. The reality is that the United States needs a war -- any war -- for its economy to function. The whole governmental system is so tied up with Eisenhower’s “Military Industrial Complex” that you’ll never be able to break free of it! Almost half of the entire US budget goes towards the military’s techno-violence! For what? So a bunch of misguided career hawks can get their rocks off?! So more soulless corporations can continue to profiteer and exploit consumers?! Voting in the Dems won’t make a lick of difference, either. They are ALL in it together. That’s why the Dems appear so nonplussed by all these issues. It’s simple: the “war” must go on -- somewhere -- so the American economy can grow and big bad capitalism and (un)free trade can thrive world-wide... while the Illuminati stroke their egos and stuff their pockets with gold. Thankfully -- perhaps -- it all may be self-destructing right before our eyes as a result of Bushco’s ignorance, megalomania and incompetence. But what are your options, what are you going to replace it all with...? What are you going to do with your behemoth military once there is “no more war”...? THAT’s wishful thinking!! But think about it folks... because if you are honest with yourself you’ll realise that all Americans are essentially up the creek without a paddle already. Good thing you can still bare arms... because you may need ‘em soon!! Remember, what you THINK is going on is NOT what is going on; that’s the way it works. And at the rate you are going you’ll NEVER get rid of the Repugnantins, you missed your last chance two years ago.

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» Holy Shit Waves !!! Posted by: starvinmarvy
» RE: Holy Shit Waves !!! Posted by: AlienSlave
Americans Are Speaking Out
Posted by: anothername on Mar 2, 2006 4:56 AM   
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Despite the number of people I have encountered who believe Americans and America's elected representatives would never do anything to take away honest Americans' freedoms, or that abuse is okay for bad people to receive, I also see a number of people who oppose these actions.

Some people will protest outside the School of the Americas (or whatever it is called now). Some people protest at armed services recruiting stations and at universities that do military research. Other people do not attend protests but talk quietly about conditions to people they meet. I doubt the protests have had much effect on official actions, but I have learned about the damage done at these institutions because the media covers the protests.

Do we go to the polls en masse and vote for "none of the above" (possible with a write-in vote) or do we stay home because we see no difference between the candidates running? Do we flood the offices of our elected representatives with phone calls, e-mails, faxes, and letters objecting to the Patriot Act, Guantanomo Bay, or Arnold Schwarzenegger? (Writing to elected officials has become more difficult since all mail to the U.S. Capitol is delayed and irridated, but there are still local offices.)

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» RE: Americans Are Speaking Out Posted by: Lincoln fan
otto
Posted by: otto on Mar 2, 2006 5:30 AM   
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All true, but as the first commentor points out, it's been going on for a long time and there are so many issues that need people dealing with - at home and in public. We live in a complex, fast world and the corporate powers that be want to keep brainwashing us with a consumer mentality that drugs us from havling real priorities in life. It's "Bread and Circuses" all over again!

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» RE: otto Posted by: AlienSlave
The "Good Germans" were in Gulags - or dead.
Posted by: gar on Mar 2, 2006 5:35 AM   
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To answer the question directly, one of Hitler's first official acts upon being nominated Chancellor with unlimited powers was to eliminate, by imprisonment or death, about 50,000 of his most outspoken critics. The "good Germans" learned by this example to keep their mouths shut and their heads down.

In this country, such a massive roundup has not happened - yet. The reason is fairly simple. Dissenters really have no voice. We preach to the choir on the internet.

Some of the same people who support King George own the media. Thus, if a hundred thousand people march in protest to some of his illegal actions, in the media it becomes a disturbance by a handful of malcontents. That is, if it gets reported at all.

And, notice I said a massive roundup has not happened yet. A roundup has happened. It was just mostly "them" that were rounded up, even though some of "them" were US citizens. Their arrest was front page national news as a roundup of known terrorist cells and people plotting to detonate "dirty" bombs. The fact that most of "them" weren't even guilty of spitting in the street was buried on page 36D - if it was reported at all.

Now, we have Happy Halliburton, busily building gulags across our country just in case of "future new programs that might require mass detentions." We also have the military fast-tracking an agreement with federal prison authorities that any civil prisoners may be used as workers on any military installation. Ask yourself, are coal mines military installations? They are if they are deemed so for "national security."

(Let me see now, duh ... 2 + 2 = uh, duh ... 4? Yeah, that's it, 4. There is the sound of fingers breaking. There is the sound of screaming, "I was wrong, I was wrong. 2 + 2 = 5. It equals five. It's always been equal to five." There is the sound of sobbing.)

My wife has been begging me lately to stop writing on the internet. She says it is too dangerous. My wife is one smart lady. But I pose the same question to her as I pose to the author of this article - what would you have me do? She has admitted that to live in fear is no life at all.

Voting and getting out the vote is always mentioned but did that do any good in 2000, or 2004? So, what would the author of this article have me do; storm the Bastille empty-handed?

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Oh, I hate to be so negative....
Posted by: woodford54 on Mar 2, 2006 7:54 AM   
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But I've been working non-stop anti-Bush, since 2001 and where has it gotten me? My anger toward the Bush administration has now shifted toward the American people. WE are the ones responsible for ALL of this. WE are. But, I'm only one person and even India can pull together a protest better than the US groups. How sad. You write to me if you can think of anything more that I, as one person, can do. Meanwhile I'm near giving up. woodford54@yahoo.com

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» RE: Oh, I hate to be so negative.... Posted by: starvinmarvy
» RE: Talking too much? Posted by: AlienSlave
» RE: Oh, I hate to be so negative.... Posted by: TomCampitelli
The People are standing up
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 2, 2006 8:04 AM   
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When I formed 'The People Over Tyrants Party' it was about informing the People about this Govt and it's lies and misdealings. Since it's creation there has been a flood of letters of support for my efforts. There has also been many requests for me to run for office,mainly for my stance on ending the war,getting healthcare for the Country, saving the environment and having Bush and Company ARRESTED and
SENT TO TRIAL at the Hague for 'High Crimes Against Humanity'. The Party is also willing to end the theft of our money by the means of Compound Intrest Rates. With the economy such that a family of 4,living in a big city, is still
considered 'Low Income' with a salary of 100,000 annually,and all who fit that catagory should recieve food stamps and that all persons and Businesses that makes ten million in salary or profits will pay 90% in tax. We would also cut the Defense Budget in Half. Redirecting those monies to education for all citizens,any age, K- Grad School,would be FREE.
Since I'm out to prove the American Addage that' Even a poor man can become President in America' I'm willing to run.
The Federal Elections Board wants all candidates to have a million dollars in contributions. Not exactly a 'poor man's'
game is it? My campain is for the 80 million that are forced to live in low-income,permanatly,by corrupted politicians and policies, to the 20 million that are squeezed by the upper class
into being over taxed and over burdened with carring their load. So my campaign would be running on donations not above $5 and mostly $1 contributions and totally Grassroots.
Our Liberty as a People is being thawarted and our Freedom is under attack from within. Forces against Women's rights are forcing policies that interupt the Doctor/Patient relationship,which is nobodies business but theirs. Hundreds have been put in prison for standing up for the People and as Political Prisoners they should be freed.
We can no longer afford to have the Country run by greedy sharlotans and poultroons that are bent on using any means neccessary to destroy this Country. We have the Power,we have the Will,we have the People. Let's get our Country back,
for Ourselves,our Children and the Great Grand children we will never know.
Jeffrey Smith
jaysmith333@msn.com

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Zorro Can't Save Us
Posted by: Riverside on Mar 2, 2006 8:24 AM   
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We the people, not always, but certainly in the last several decades have been content to let someone else rescue us. Now certainly the right to vote efforts for African Americans, and certainly the Vietnam War protests were clear activism that finally worked but at a high, high cost. Today, we seem to be unwilling to face the high cost of liberty and civil rights.

Cindy Sheehan is a living example of the Power of One, and just think if we could have multiplied that power to the Power of Many. Yeah, she sort of burned out, but not totally and there are not long lines of supporters, I mean real long, long lines. Marla Ruzicka (sp?) is another example of the Power of One. So whatsa matta with us????

Are we scared or are we ho humming? Are we really waiting for Zorro?

Now we had the power to make WalMart quiver. So we can come together on issues. That's right conservatives and liberals came together over WalMart and conservatives and liberals MUST come together over the USA.

This is an election year and we can make a change. Yeah we find ways to guard and count ballots this time so that funny stuff does not happen. Please note, Republicans AND Democrats have come together over the Dubai Port World deal. I do not think it is a sham, and so there is a clue that we have pols who can be moved to act for we the people.

Let me tell you when a pol gets 10,000 telephone calls a day on a issue, and those calls are ALL from his contituency, he or she WILL listen.

Bottom line, if we do not come together soon, we could find ourselves without the country we knew and cherished. We do cherish our rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, yes?

So, borrowing those heroic words, I say LET'S ROLL.

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» Gotta MARCH...SOON!!! Posted by: starvinmarvy
» RE: Zorro Can't Save Us Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Zorro Can't Save Us Posted by: triana1326
America, the "Fourth Reich?"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 2, 2006 9:05 AM   
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When the going gets tough, the "tough" pass meaningless laws.

A law that is not enforced is no law at all; it is just a way for those trying to maintain their facade of caring to save face. McCain has no more intention of enforcing his new law than he has of becoming a Democrat. Why should he? After being humiliated by lies told about him and his family by the Bush campaign in the 2004 Republican primary, he turned around and became Bush's boot lickin' water boy for the presidential campaign. That spectacle was disgusting in extremis, but spoke volumes about what kind of panty-waists we have in Congress (he was a WAR HERO, for gawd's sakes! What happened?!).

I , like many, many "good americans," am writing my little letters, standing on street corners, boycotting fascist theme-parks like WalMart, etc., etc., but the lack of response from all quarters makes me feel at times – no, all the time – like a coyote howling at the cold wind.

People are not responding because they each feel just as powerless. The media could go a long way toward improving this situation by reporting on the protests and demonstrations that are going on – in other words, reporting the TRUTH, something they no longer feel is important to do (might ruffle some corporate feathers). (I mean, how many americans know about the tens of thousands who protested but were treated to Gestapo tactics by police at the 2005 inaugural? Practically nobody.)

So, we act like good americans and all we get for our trouble is a dossier at FBI or CIA headquarters. The trouble is, unlike during WWII and the battle against the Third Reich, there is no "white knight" to come to the rescue today. The "White Knight" has BECOME "The Third Reich." – or rather, the Fourth.

One tiny ray of hope in this sad state of affairs may be the World Court, supported by a "coalition of the willing" of nations with the courage to prosecute this administration for Crimes Against Humanity. But that can only happen when (IF?) this administration leaves office. Don't hold your breath on this one anyway: many nations of the world are under the same corporate stranglehold as our own government. Once again, it comes back to corporate greed. One way to stop this is to stop buying from them as much as possible; but americans, like binge drinkers, have become binge buyers – on expensive credit, no less.

We need a twelve-step program for responsible citizenship. I'm afraid things will have to get a whole lot worse before there's a chance they'll get better.

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» RE: America, the "Fourth Reich?" Posted by: AlienSlave
clinker
Posted by: cottontail on Mar 2, 2006 9:13 AM   
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You're whistlin' dixie. I started bad-mouthing Bush yesterday and my sister-in-law got up and said "I've got to get home and watch "American Idol." Face it, an unwholesome majority of Americans are ignorant, stupid, and/or apathetic. Two-thirds can't name a single Supreme Court justice. Expecting these people to rise up and do ANYTHING to save their sorry asses? I remember the Orson Welles radio program years ago where he announced men from Mars had invaded and ordered menfolk to go to the town square, lay down their weapons, and await orders. Lots of folks showed up and did as they were told. We're a bunch of wimps or we wouldn't be in the sorry mess we're in.

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» RE: clinker Posted by: clr
» RE: clinker Posted by: bullwinkle6969
Like Horton Hears a Who
Posted by: BKLN on Mar 2, 2006 9:37 AM   
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We are here, we are here, we are here!

The activist portion of us is in the minority, that seems clear.

Apathy and defeatism is our enemy.

BUT, the majority of Americans are with us to one degree or another. How else do you explain Bush's approval ratings at anywhere near 34%? Granted, I think his approval ratings should be hovering around 14%, but I'm trying not to be greedy.

We must continue to meet here, at Meetups, at AirAmerica Radio, at rallies and events, to stage more rallies and events and continue to strategize.

We are not alone. It is a hard struggle. We must stick together.

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» RE: Like Horton Hears a Who Posted by: starvinmarvy
Challenge Congress?
Posted by: badkitty53 on Mar 2, 2006 10:24 AM   
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In September 2002 I started at the top of the list alphabetically and wrote two or three senators a day about why we shouldn't invade Iraq. I said I didn't believe there were any WMDs, based on Scott Ritter's interviews on McNeil Lehrer in the late 90s and I reminded the senators of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which now appears never to have happened. Ever since, I have been writing my senators and selected others (Hagel, you know, the guy who voted for this illegal war, but now thinks it's a bad idea--a very slow learner, considering he fought in Vietnam, another illegal war) but to no avail. I believe they think I'm a nut case. Of course, I'm not very polite anymore either. I think I heard Paul Hackett say once that he'd go back and serve in Iraq again if his unit was called up again. I do believe we've identified the problem. This war is illegal, and many people say it's wrong, but the National Guardsmen say they'll go back again to support their buddies. Let's not support our soldiers. Maybe Al Franken can stop entertaining the troops. This war is WRONG! Doesn't the Geneva Convention say soldiers don't have to obey illegal orders? So, they should refuse to go. I tell my senators (Boxer and Feinstein) and my representative (Lee) this on at least a monthly basis, and I always end by saying, "Don't underestimate how angry I am about this war." I'm so angry these days I'm now saying it's time to get rid of the military. I think it will take more than just challenging Congress to end this war. And, yes, my husband and I do believe those camps are for people like us.

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» RE: Challenge Congress? Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: Challenge Congress? Posted by: Lincoln fan
Sure, propaganda works - if the media spews it out
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 2, 2006 10:38 AM   
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Who is to be blamed for this mess? GW Bush is responsible, sure. So is CNN, NPR, FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS - the propaganda outlets for the military-industrial-media complex. Tell your friends to quit listening to that crap - better yet, direct your letters to their corporate masters - TimeWarner, Viacom, WaltDisney, etc. Even better, send letters to the investment banks that control these corporations - Fidelity, Barclays, State Street, Vanguard, Citigroup - only you'll find that these banks also control ExxonMobile, ChevronTexaco, Valero, etc. Then you might start to understand what's really going on. But then you might find out that these same banks are controlling your mutual funds and retirement accounts. Then you can understand the book published in Germany a few years ago "Hitler's Willing Executioners." Some decades from now, will someone write a book entitled "Bush's Willing Collaborators?". Greed is easy to understand, but is generally very short-sighted.

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BUSH SPEAK!!!!!!
Posted by: williameon on Mar 2, 2006 11:28 AM   
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Bush Speak!

1- Ben Laden helped me steal the election!
Dead men do tell lies!
With the help of: The NSA, CIA, The Media, Diebold, Thugs, Tens of thousands of votes thrown in the GARGAGE!
Broken and Missing voting machines.
Butterfly Ballots!
Hallelujah:
The Lord made me do it!
1a-NSA spying Scandal
Thank you, Oh: Mr. Liberal media. Could you please put a stop on this story!
Till I steal another election!

2- Mission Accomplished!
The American people duped into another Costly WAR!
The bleeding begins.
Trillions for Billionaires!
Poverty for everyone else!
3- I saw the 1st Plane hit the Tower!
Then I sat there and did nothing! The army did nothing! The Navy did nothing! The Air Force did nothing! The secret police did nothing! Then after the second plane hit! I still sat there and did nothing! The Army, Navy and Air Force did nothing! I sat there untill someone whispered into my ear: Mission Accomplished! Later I gave Metals of Freedom: to everyone involved in the Operation, for a job well done! Then I took a leisurely drive back to: Air Force One!
Holding America by the BALLS!
4- KATRINA-I never heard about: The Hurricane or the Dikes breaking!
Brownie never told me! He’s a liar!
5- I’m a fiscal Conservative!
Bankrupting: The Federal Government is Job #1!
Record deficits are Conservative!
You pay at the pump!
I am conserving all the wealth for me and my
Crooked Friends.
Tax cuts for Billionaires!
While poor people starve.
Cut school lunches
&
Let them eat: CAKE!

6- Outsourcing!
Shipping jobs overseas is good for the economy.
Working three jobs a week: with no pension or health care is Bush’s idea of:
The American Dream!
7- Privatization!
The Wholesale liquidation of America for pennies on the Dollar: to hid corrupt cohorts for kick backs!
Can you say?
Goodbye National Forests?
We are really giving you:
The Business!
8- The Destruction of the Dollar!
The savings of the American people is being devalued!
Hyper inflation is in the cards.
With: Depression and Repression soon to follow!
Concentration Camps are being built by: Halliburton!
As we speak!
Dick's stock is Skyrocketing!
9- Torture!
It is good for gathering information!
People say Bogus Stuff,
Like we used to start:
The Iraqi WAR!
10-Valerie Plame Affair!
Treason is alright! As long as we are the ones commiting it!
11- Abramhof Scandal!
34,000 Lobbyists invading Washington is good for business!
Corporate Corruption: runs wild in Washington!
Rules are for the Ruled;
Misleaders need not apply!
12-Secracy, Treason, Torture & Corruption!
How low can they go?
Where they will stop?
Nobody knows!
Iran.
World WAR III!
Nuclear Destruction!
Armageddon?
Concentration Camps!
Instant replay!
Some Legacy!
13-No money for Education!
No money for:
Health Care!
Infrastructure!
Schools!
Lunches!
No Money for:
Clean Air, Food or Water!
But,
We got WAR!
Everyone pays to play:
With our savings:
Blood, Guts, Skin and Bones!
It’s a CRIME!
Make them do the:
TIME!

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» RE: BUSH SPEAK!!!!!! Posted by: jeffrey7
» RE: BUSH SPEAK!!!!!! Posted by: bullwinkle6969
Follow the money, honey.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 2, 2006 12:38 PM   
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I see comments on this site frequently that point the guilty finger at capitalism. Then I get to a piece like this, and it's as if the economy doesn't exist.

If you want change, screw up the economy. If we all stayed home from work, shopping, etc. just one day to protest, we'd see change. Not a very promising prospect, is it?

Maybe that's because most Americans don't want a change. The stock market is up. Unemployment is down. And the burden falls on the weakest among us, who can't complain.

An economy depends on exchange. War increases the level of exchange. It's the easiest way to get an economy rolling. And so far it's only cost us over two thousand dead and the addition of another trillion (?) to our national debt.

I don't like that price, but clearly it is one that both Repugs and Demos are willing to pay, since they make money on it. It's still the economy, stupid. That's capitalism.

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» RE: Follow the money, honey. Posted by: AlienSlave
The Phoenix will rise!
Posted by: waves999 on Mar 2, 2006 1:04 PM   
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A couple of frustrated posters here have asked, “Where do we start?” Well, I would suggest concentrating on a basic, two point “plan of attack” to start with: ONE: DESTROY all Diebold voting machines and insist on paper ballots... TWO: DEMAND public funding of all elections, (maybe even banning nasty negative political advertising altogether). That’s where I would start from. The small sparks of the fire ARE out there, you just need to fan the embers... and maybe the Phoenix will rise again!!

As an aside, but a possible plan THREE: if you could just convince your local cable tv operators to carry the BBC World News Channel you may be surprised how many minds can be opened. There actually IS a world out there folks.

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» RE: The Phoenix will rise! Posted by: AlienSlave
» RE: The Phoenix will rise! Posted by: triana1326
» RE: The Phoenix will rise! Posted by: AlienSlave
Torture in the US
Posted by: sabibabi on Mar 2, 2006 1:10 PM   
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What we see in Guantanamo Bay or Abu Ghraib or the "Black CIA Prisons" is the exportation of what has been going on in US domestic prisons for decades. The four men who were sent to set up Abu Ghraib by our government, originally, were all former US Department of Corrections officials who had either quit or been fired from their posts. Why? Because of prisoners who had been tortured and/or died in their US facilities.( "Google" Lane McCotter for instance.) The "tough on crime" spin that gets many of our politicians elected, has been taken as gospel (so to speak) by millions of US Americans.

Mainstream America believes that if you are arrested and/or incarcereated, you are guilty. Unless you have personal experience of "wrongful convictions" and "prosecutorial misconduct", you believe our "justice" system is what you were taught in school. Habeas Corpus in the US has basically ceased to exist - ask any criminal defense attorney. We have the highest per capita incarceration rate IN THE WORLD (2 million US citizens every year), due to the first "never-ending war" launched by the Republicans - Nixon's so-called
"War on Drugs".

That oft quoted statement...:

"First They Came for the Jews
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me."

Pastor Martin Niemöller

...is true here, today. If you are black or Hispanic or Native American or Asian, you are more likely to be incarcerated. Period. Not because you are necessarily guilty of anything, but just beacause someone SAID you were. Hearsay is admissable in federal courts. Since the War on Drugs was initiated, innocent people have been systematically "rounded up". Basically, we have 2 million plus citizens enslaved. Blacks have been demonized as drug-dealing violent gang-bangers, as have Hispanics. It's the fear game.

We should all realize that ..."First they came for the blacks, then they came for the Hispanics..." [And just for the record I'm neither]. And they can come for us "intelligentsia" too.

A man I know who is director of a prison issues publication spoke at a convention of criminal defense attorneys last year. His topic was torture and abuse in US prisons, at home and abroad. After his speech, many attorneys volunteered their time, pro bono, for foreign detainees. Not one offered to assist any US prisoners. This just shows how little public awareness there is about this issue. And how deeply embedded the "spin" is.

If you are interested in being informed about this issue go to the website of the Quakers and click on TORTURE IN US PRISONS
(http://www.afsc.org/issues/issue.phpid= 370&page=4&perpage=10).

And if you want to know about just a couple of incidents in federal prisons go to:

www.victorvillefoia.org

Click on La Tuna, on the menu. And read about the riot that was dismissed by the Federal Bureau of Prisons as "just a little altercation between a couple of inmates".

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The Press Defends Torture and Congress is Deaf and Blind
Posted by: Polenium on Mar 2, 2006 1:45 PM   
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Our deviant president and his creepy cabinet have slipped the leash and are off the reservation. Congress seems not to care one whit. No matter how many concerned citizens protest and write letters, they keep the money flowing for prisons and torture and refuse to restrain the president.
Perhaps it's a direct result of our broken election system, but they don't even seem to care if there is an election coming up.
Instead of educating Americans about torture, the press are telling their viewers and readers that this is an effective tool in our arsenal against terrorism when in fact it is an instigator of hatred and a recruitment tool for extremists.
It is an appalling thing for one human being to inflict pain and injury on another helpless person. It is so violates all standards of human decency that it is illegal in every civilized nation all the time. There is no statute of limitations on acts of torture. They can be prosectuted everywhere at any time by anybody.

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I just think we are still in process...
Posted by: form516 on Mar 2, 2006 2:01 PM   
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I grew up in the 60's. Back then no one ever even mentioned anything was wrong with what was going on anywhere, on any level, ever, ever. Not on any level. Think about all the crab Kennedy got away with, and everyone around him knew what was going on but no one reported on it. And the guy down the block who sexually abused his little girl and beat his wife and everybody pretended it was all cool. Much more likely that neither one of those guys would have such a cake walk of it today. It was like that about everything. It was like that WWII my country right or wrong stuff just infected everybody with a disease that lasted decades. Or maybe people had always been that way.
It just seems to me that as time has gone on things are being brought out into the open and are seeping into peoples' consciousness a little more all the time, despite the fact that there are these huge apparatus that are set up all over the place to prevent it from happening but it is still happening.
Think of all the billions of dollars the bad guys have to spend these days to hold the tide back. Seems to me it costs them a whole lot more to do it with every passing year. Just a couple of decades ago they did not have to spend a dime, everybody just got in line and lapped the BS up.
I'm just more hopful about it all because "everybody knows" turns into EVERYBODY KNOWS a little bit more everyday. I think denial is the first step though - it's like being in recovery or something and that can take awhile.
I know there is still a lot of room for it all to get much worse before it gets any better...but it still makes me sad when I hear the Advance Guard getting so weary. But, it is some battle, that's for sure.

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They're Out There
Posted by: midwesterner on Mar 2, 2006 3:49 PM   
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Don't let the lack of media attention get you down. There are many people out there doing the right thing, and I know some of them. As the wife of one of the lawyers who has been long involved in the defense of the Guantanamo detainees, I would point out that there are literally hundreds of attorneys now working to ensure that the detainees receive legal recognition and protection by our courts. These lawyers have a variety of backgrounds: there are those from civil and human rights organizations, as you might expect, but many come from less likely places: some are solo practioners, so their work on these issues is costing them a great deal of money, some are military lawyers, whose work to defend the detainees is not doing much for their careers, and others come from big white-shoe law firms. These big firms, perhaps surprisingly, are footing the bill for extensive legal work, which has included, for instance, trips to far-flung places to meet with detainees' families. Not all of these lawyers are left-wingers, by any means, but they are united in their belief that a serious miscarriage of justice is being perpetrated in our name in Guantanamo and that it is their professional and civic duty to do what they can to defend the Constitution. I'm proud to know these folks, and their work represents to me the best of what America is all about.

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» RE: They're Out There Posted by: form516
To Barbara Boxer And Dianne Feinstein
Posted by: coyote on Mar 2, 2006 4:41 PM   
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Senators,
I have voted for you in every election you have run. However, after today, after the Senate's passage of the Patriot Act, I will never vote for you again.
I kept looking for your names; I kept wondering...Why aren't they up there standing with Mr. Feingold and Mr. Byrd?
I kept wondering, "Who is speaking for me?" Obviously not you, Senators.
In the future I will vote, and contribute funds to, ANYONE running against you. I don't feel I have much, if anything to lose, at this point.
The Bill Of Rights was pushed over the slippery slope of being rendered meaningless today, but take comfort in knowing this...

Thirty years from now, when a family is relocated to a camp and subjected to rigorous interrogation (torture) because their neighbor does not like the content of the books they read... nobody will remember your names.

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Good Americans
Posted by: fisa on Mar 2, 2006 11:46 PM   
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You will find none. Have to import. Like leader, like citizens.

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» RE: Good Americans Posted by: saltysam
People are working for freedom
Posted by: AlienSlave on Mar 3, 2006 9:15 AM   
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I found this article in a Michigan newspaper.

The people of Michigan have a unique opportunity. A group of concerned citizens in the Hastings area have banded together to form Unicameral Michigan, (one chamber), and are circulating petitions that are aimed at putting a proposal on the November ballot to eliminate the State Senate.
Over the past years several legislators have introduced bills into the legislature that would reduce the size of state government, but none have come out of their respective comities.
IF these Unicameral petitions are successful, voters in Michigan will have the chance in November to do something the legislature has refused to do: reduce the cost of state government.
Since both Senate and House are charged with nearly identical responsibilities according to the State Constitution, what can we loose?
Any registered voter willing to help with this cause can do so by writing Box 117, Hastings Michigan 49058. We must be finished by the first week in July.
Harland Nye

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Force their hands
Posted by: nelawyer on Mar 3, 2006 10:12 AM   
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The other day I was in court, as a defense attorney, sitting next to a kid being arraigned by the judge. She, improperly, tired to speak with him directly, probably to get him to incriminate himself or to be able to put the fear of god into him by threatening to hold him in contempt. I turned toward my client and the judge told me she was going to speak to my client. I said, "but judge" and she interrupted to tell me she was going to speak to my client. I said "but judge" again and she said if i said it one more time I'd be arrested. Like an idiot, I said 'but judge" one more time and she called in the sheriffs, who came charging in with a taser out. they were shocked when i stood up and put my hands behind my back to be cuffed. this act really made the judge mad and she ordered them to remove me from the courtroom, in cuffs, my first arrest ever. Ten minutes later the judge backed down and they stopped "booking" me and brought me back into court.
The lesson i learned is that, while it was stressful to have a deputy remove your heirloom watch for doing your job, the fact that the judge finally did what she had only threatened previously, led to many people coming forward and objecting to the way she conducts her courtroom. they kept silent before, out of fear, but the word of a lawyer being arrested by a judge spread and led to formerly silent people beginning to protest. the powerful people (i'm not one of them, I'm a public defender in a used clothing store suit) finally felt threatened and stepped forward. Maybe speaking out and standing up, even if it leads to arrest, will push other people to come forward and say enough is enough. It's the old line about "when they came for the socialist i wasn't afraid because I wasn't a socialist...

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» RE: Force their hands Posted by: gar
Next Time Hamas Decapitates a USA prisoner
Posted by: Peter Tith'of on Mar 3, 2006 3:13 PM   
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Our enemy dont have POWS very long they just cut off POWs head on live camera .USA should ask its Gitmo POW who want to defile 72 virgins in heaven and then likewise decapitate a Gitmo prisoner every time enemy MURDERS a POW in Iraq.This is only logic the enemy will respect. They know USA will let its enemy POWS free evetual as it murders at will.

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Justice is a fantasy
Posted by: waves999 on Mar 3, 2006 3:59 PM   
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INCREDIBLE story! but it doesn't surprise me. Just shows you how corrupt the whole industrialised legal sys