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Saving Our Democracy

By Bill Moyers, AlterNet. Posted February 27, 2006.


The Abramoff and DeLay corruption scandals make it clear that now more than ever we need publically financed elections.
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This is the prepared text of Bill Moyers' remarks from an eight-day speaking trip in California on the issue of money and politics.

I will leave to Jon Stewart the rich threads of humor to pluck from the hunting incident in Texas. All of us are relieved that the Vice President's friend has survived. I can accept Dick Cheney's word that the accident was one of the worst moments of his life. What intrigues me as a journalist now is the rare glimpse we have serendipitously been offered into the tightly knit world of the elites who govern today.

The Vice President was hunting on a 50-thousand acre ranch owned by a lobbyist friend who is the heiress to a family fortune of land, cattle, banking and oil (ah, yes, the quickest and surest way to the American dream remains to choose your parents well.) The circumstances of the hunt and the identity of the hunters provoked a lament from The Economist. The most influential pro-business magazine in the world is concerned that hunting in America is becoming a matter of class: the rich are doing more, the working stiffs, less.

The annual loss of 1.5 million acres of wildlife habitat and one million acres of farm and ranchland to development and sprawl has come "at the expense of 'The Deer Hunter' crowd in the small towns of the north-east, the rednecks of the south and the cowboys of the west." Their places, says The Economist, are being taken by the affluent who pay plenty for such conveniences as being driven to where the covey cooperatively awaits. The magazine (hardly a Marxist rag, remember) describes Mr. Cheney's own expedition as "a lot closer to 'Gosford Park' than 'The Deer Hunter' -- a group of fat old toffs waiting for wildlife to be flushed towards them at huge expense."

At the heart of this story is a metaphor of power. The Vice President turned his host, the lobbyist who is also the ranch owner, into his de facto news manager. She would disclose the shooting only when Cheney was ready and only on his terms. Sure enough, nothing was made public for almost 20 hours until she finally leaked the authorized version to the local newspaper. Ms. Armstrong suggested the blame lay with the victim, who, she indicated, had failed to inform the Vice President of his whereabouts and walked into a hail of friendly fire. Three days later Cheney revised the story and apologized. Don't you wonder what went back and forth with the White House that long night of trying to agree on the official line?

We do know someone from the hunting party was in touch with Karl Rove at the White House. For certain Rove's the kind of fellow you want on the other end of the line when great concoctions are being hatched, especially if you wish the victim to hang for the crime committed against him.

Watching these people work is a study of the inner circle at the top of American politics. The journalist Sidney Blumenthal, writing on Salon.com, reminds us of the relationship between the Armstrong dynasty and the Bush family and its retainers. Armstrong's father invested in Rove's political consulting firm that managed George W. Bush's election as governor of Texas and as president. Her mother, Anne Armstrong, is a longtime Republican activist and donor. Ronald Reagan appointed her to the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board after her tenure as Ambassador to the United Kingdom under President Ford, whose chief of staff was a young Dick Cheney. Anne Armstrong served on the board of directors of Halliburton that hired Cheney to run the company.

Her daughter, Katharine Armstrong, host of the hunting party, was once a lobbyist for the powerful Houston law firm founded by the family of James A. Baker III, who was chief of staff to Reagan, Secretary of State under the first George Bush, and the man designated by the Bush family to make sure the younger Bush was named President in 2000 despite having lost the popular vote. According to Blumenthal, one of her more recent lobbying jobs was with a large construction firm with contracts in Iraq.

It is a Dick Cheney world out there -- a world where politicians and lobbyists hunt together, dine together, drink together, play together, pray together and prey together, all the while carving up the world according to their own interests.

Two years ago, in a report entitled Democracy in an Age of Rising Inequality, the American Political Science Association concluded that progress toward realizing American ideals of democracy "may have stalled, and even, in some areas, reversed."

Privileged Americans "roar with a clarity and consistency that public officials readily hear and routinely follow" while citizens "with lower or moderate incomes are speaking with a whisper."

The following year, on the eve of President George W. Bush's second inauguration, the editors of The Economist, reporting on inequality in America, concluded that the United States "risks calcifying into a European-style, class-based society."

As great wealth has accumulated at the top, the rest of society has not been benefiting proportionally. In 1960 the gap between the top 20% and the bottom 20% was 30 fold. Now it is 75 fold. Thirty years ago the average annual compensation of the top 100 chief executives in the country was 30 times the pay of the average worker. Today it is 1000 times the pay of the average worker. A recent article in The Financial Times reports on a study by the American economist Robert J. Gordon, who finds "little long-term change in workers' share of U.S. income over the past half century." Middle-ranking Americans are being squeezed, he says, because the top ten percent of earners have captured almost half the total income gains in the past four decades and the top one percent have gained the most of all -- "more in fact, than all the bottom 50 percent."


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Posted by: ilima on Feb 27, 2006 1:34 AM   
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Thankyou Bill Moyers. I miss you on PBS.

I keep launching this idea out into the universe when ever I see an opportunity. I think it would work quite well with public financing of campaigns. If you missed the SinceSlicedBread contest fiasco by SEIU that was this ideas last foray out in the wider world.

This is a brief version of a big idea.

Election Channel and Election.org

The problem is the influence of big money on government and politicians.

My idea is the Election Channel and Election.org. Every office for election from dog catcher to the president would only be allowed at these locations. A structured format of debates, biographies, position statements, etcetera would be required of all candidates. It could be limited to 6 to 9 months before an election, run and repeated 24/7 and regionalized on cable and the net.

The channels and website used would be owned by the people and facilities made available for the media production candidates would need. All political advertising would be banned. The Election Channel and Election.org could have non-political commercials to help pay for costs. This would not prevent candidates from talking at public events and gatherings but that is reasonably free as far as costs to do.

This would help by making government more responsive to average Americans and their needs because more average Americans would be able to run for office with the outrageous money barrier removed.

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Thank you Bill for this very detailed article
Posted by: ShaSpirit on Feb 27, 2006 3:47 AM   
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I too miss Bill Moyers and I miss PBS that used to before he was forced out. Now there is not much difference between the News Hour and the MSM. I also agree it is at the grassroots level that our government must change and public financing is the only way we the people can change it. I hate it that there are so many demands for my few dollars to contribute candidates. We are only into the Primaries.

I am like so many seniors that are truly afraid what will happen with three more years of Bush&Co. They have put in a new social security private accounts bill in the new budget bill. No one has really talked about it yet. What we do read is about Medicare cuts. In three more years my small social security check will go to pay for medicare deductibles, co-pays and month premiums and that is not counting what they will take out for the new drug bill. If something does not change pretty soon then a whole lot of people over 65 will have nothing to live on.

I am wondering what will happen to all those seniors in nursing homes, since they no longer have medicaid and 25% of their benefits have been taken away? They cannot take care of themselves and have no one to take care of their rights. We need publicly funded candidates NOW!

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Root out the Military, Industrial, Congressional Complex 1st
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Feb 27, 2006 3:52 AM   
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Without rooting out the M,I,C complex and the elimination of the National Security Act, I see no way that any election reform will work. I have seen Mr. Moyer's documentery of the NSA that was done in the early 80s that spells out clearly that there can be no peace until the war mongers and profiteers are out of power. Unfortunately, the people of this country are obsessed with power far in excess of what would be considered overwhelming in the presence of other nations to the detriment of any peace time dividend as well as the education, health and welfare of our own citizenry. Overt or covert, the US has been in a war continuously since WW II with many devistating side affects such as illegal cash flow from money laundering the sale of drugs and weapons. In 1999, Senator Levin's committe determined that this amount was somewhere between $500 BILLION and $1 TRILLION dollars performed by US companies and banks. The triumvarate complex is a cycle of corruption that does little to protect anything except their own interests.

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Bill Moyers is great and he makes excellent points here, however...
Posted by: Prophit on Feb 27, 2006 4:25 AM   
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.... the weakness in our system now is the educational level and critical thinking capabilities of the electorate which buys into all the propoganda that encourages them to vote against their own best interest.

Another weakness is the actual election process with non voting trails to confirm the vote cast. Until and Unless we get rid of those machines, this is all moot. nothing will matter until we fix the actual election counting process.

I go back and forth between "let the system self destruct and start from scratch" and "lets fix this thing now through the existing system". Frankly I think the latter right now is an impossibility.

I saw it locally here when elections were held in my little town and big money came in on the little local races and we couldn't figure out where it came from or why! So, who knows where all of this will end up.

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It's not fixable
Posted by: Moonray on Feb 27, 2006 4:53 AM   
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Moyers makes some good points, but the problem is too big. How can we fix a system when those in charge of fixing it have been irrevocably corrupted by it?

Let's face it: Our congressional and presidential elections have become elaborate charades in which the Military Industrial Complex anoints a chosen few as winners. The voting itself is almost superfluous.

Fortunately, our country is so affluent that even our poor are relatively well off, so we haven't seen much serious political dissent. That could change, however, if we get hit with one or more WMDs. The economy could collapse and our "democracy" along with it.

There is little we can do except keep our fingers crossed and make whatever pathetic political reforms we can get approved.

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» RE: It's not fixable Posted by: Lincoln fan
» NOT ENOUGH TIME, LINCOLN! Posted by: Prophit
» RE: NOT ENOUGH TIME, LINCOLN! Posted by: Lincoln fan
» We could vote out every incumbent Posted by: Bic Pentameter
FIGHTING SPIRIT
Posted by: eileenflmng on Feb 27, 2006 5:08 AM   
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“As of January 17, 2006, the rap sheet listed 2,229 American military dead in Iraq together with an unknown number of Iraqi civilians; what looks to be the sum of $1 trillion to $2-trillion, already committed to The Project for the New American Century’s real estate development in the Mesopotamia desert.

"Better reasons to impeach a president than the one pressed into service against Bill Clinton, whose penis was known to be aimless and shown to be harmless.” [ March 2006 HARPER'S Magazine p.32]

much more on WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org

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Now is the time
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Feb 27, 2006 5:26 AM   
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Anyone who saw the documentary my team and Iproduced a few years ago on the illegal fund raising for Bill Clinton's re-election, knows I am no fan of the democratic money machine that helped tear the party away from whatever roots it once had in the daily lives and struggles of working people, turning it into a junior partner of the Chamber of Commerce.

Even though this Republican administration is the most corrupt in generations, we must never be satisfied with the "lesser of the evils". When one "holds his nose and pulls the lever" his vote is wasted. There is a huge difference between voting against and voting for.

Our big problem is that neither party represents the people. Both parties are financed by the corporate establishment. For instance, In the 2000 campaign the pharmaceutical industry contributed $10 millions to the Democrats and $20 millions to the Republicans. It is no wonder that the prescription drug bill was a bonanza for the drug companies. An interesting coincidence is that the AARP which originally opposed the bill had 30 million members. Those 30 million potential votes were trumped by the 30 million dollars.

Campaign financing has been reformed every now and again over the past 150 years with no success. Neither party really wants to change the system. It is much easier for politicians to take campaign contributions and do the bidding of the donors than to work for the peoples votes by solving their problems. I am skeptical about the reform's chances on a national level.

I believe that The Lincoln Initiative. a grassroots movement, can force both parties to represent the people. It is time for a showdown. Before the next election, both parties must be forced to declare whether they support the issues of the people or the issues of the corporatocracy. Whether they work for our votes or the dollars of the establishment.

Join The Lincoln Initiative a true grassroots movement. There are no leaders, no registration, no contributions, no meetings.
We have no issue except to make "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" a reality.

Click on we the people

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A THOUGHT
Posted by: denb on Feb 27, 2006 5:34 AM   
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WHAT MIGHT WORK IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION THAT SIMPLY STATES ONLY REGISTERED VOTERS CAN DONATE TO CANDIDATES.ALL OTHER MONEY IS BANNED.LIMIT THE AMOUNT TO 1$, 50 CENTS,AND A DIME.THIS COMBINED WITH THE T.V. IDEA WOULD STOP A LOT OF THIS GREEDY,EVIL,SHIT,THAT CALLS ITSELF GOVERNMENT.

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Comprehensive election reform
Posted by: dchauls on Feb 27, 2006 6:26 AM   
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Here is another approach to solving the same problem:
Past attempts to control campaign financing did not address the single most important problem: our presidential campaign and election system do not do a good job of educating prospective voters about the capability of each candidate to occupy the most powerful position on the planet. As a result, people end up voting for or against a candidate based upon impressions rather than knowledge. And these impressions are usually based upon brief television ads for and against the candidates, prepared by campaign operatives and media specialists, rather than the candidates themselves.
We have to make the education of voters the most important objective of an election campaign reform process.
This is inextricably integrated with questions of finance.
The goal of campaign finance reform is to reduce the influence of money on government. Politicians and parties in power maintain that major donors only gain greater access, not greater influence – but we all know that this is a fiction. Most politicians do consider influence-for-money to be wrong, but they nevertheless need to pay their bills. As long as candidates need money to be successful, this money – and the influence that follows – will continue to corrupt our election system and our government.
TV advertising is the single most costly item of any campaign - estimated at a quarter of a billion dollars in the last presidential campaign. If this item were completely removed, candidates would need much less money and, therefore, would need to raise much less. Elimination of the cost of TV advertising is the silver bullet to achieve true campaign finance reform.
The perfect time to institute comprehensive election reform is now, when neither party knows for sure who will be its standard-bearer in the next presidential election. It is the ideal time for a bi-partisan approach. If both parties can agree on the three goals of
• improving voter education,
• reducing election costs, and
• perfecting voting procedures,
we now have a window of opportunity for instituting change.
To achieve these three goals, we suggest that the US:
1. Establish a powerful Presidential Election Commission, composed of people both parties consider to be fair and as non-partisan as possible. This Commission should have power to regulate all elements of the campaign and election – not simply to file complaints that are dealt with after the election ends.
2. Require TV channels to donate substantial free prime time for:
a. debates between or among the candidates;
b. various types of unrehearsed questioning of each candidate –
i. by specialists on topics of concern to voters,
ii. by ordinary people, and
iii. by the press; and
c. separate 10-30-minute speeches by each candidate. .
Establish the quantities of each of the above long in advance, at least a year before the election. Quantities of such events ought to be fairly substantial – far more than the three debates that have become traditional.
Establish the format, structure, and other details of the debates and the unrehearsed questioning long before any candidates are known. The basic intent should be to encourage substantial impromptu interaction between candidates and questioners, and between the candidates themselves. Campaign operatives should have no power to modify these rules.
3. Ban paid TV advertisements for or against candidates in the 2-3 months preceding the election. This ban should apply to the parties, the candidates, 527s, everyone.
4. In order for item #3 to be legal, pass an amendment to the Constitution to clarify the First Amendment: Freedom of speech should apply to voices, not to money.
5. Require a paper voting trail, with the paper ballot considered as the official ballot.

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» RE: Comprehensive election reform Posted by: The critic
» RE: Comprehensive election reform Posted by: Lincoln fan
Politics in the Heartland: money talks etc.
Posted by: sausage on Feb 27, 2006 6:34 AM   
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From The Sunday Des Moines Register by political columnist Dave Yepsen:
"Then last week, Bob Vander Plaats dropped his bid for the Republican nomination for governor to become rival Jim Nussle's running mate. That ended the GOP primary and leaves the party in position to mass resources for the fall campaign. Democrats, by contrast, will spend millions fighting one another(emphasis added), and that could leave them short of money for the November effort.

"All the activity in the (Chet) Culver and (Michael) Blouin camps has eclipsed Ed Fallon's campaign, which already lagged badly in money.

"It also takes more than $1 million to win a competitive primary and millions more to win a general election(emphasis added). Any candidate, male or female, who can't raise serious money doesn't have a serious chance."


So there you have it. He, or she, who has the most money wins, so says Iowa's "best" political observer, David Yepsen.

Ed Fallon, mentioned in the quote above, is trying to buck this trend and his been working tirelessly though a grassroots effort. He has voluntarily limited personal contributions to $2,400 due to his committment to clean money/clean elections reform.

However, we must remember that political campaiging is no longer an exercise in democracy, it is a year-round business. But if yard signs are any indication, Fallon is the clear favorite in his hometown, Des Moines.

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REPUBLICANS WAGE NEVER ENDING CLASS WAR.
Posted by: rabblerowzer on Feb 27, 2006 6:55 AM   
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"You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy, but you cannot have both." -- Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

REPUBLICANS WAGE NEVER ENDING CLASS WAR.

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otto
Posted by: otto on Feb 27, 2006 7:37 AM   
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I fear that we have to hit bottom, like an alcoholic before beginning to reform, and have enough people fall into poverty to be like South America before the big change will happen. Then we may start back in the direction of countries like Venezuela and Bolivia. Otherwise "this nation of the wealthy. for the wealthy, and by the wealthy shall not perish from the earth."

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blacksheepbaby
Posted by: bloominblacksheep on Feb 27, 2006 7:46 AM   
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Definitely we need to reform Campaign spending. The idea of limiting contributions to only registered voters makes perfect sense. You've got to "play to pay"! I love it!

The Media, I believe, WOULD respond if Cable subscribers would organize and keep up unrelenting pressure for fair coverage. There are enough educated people in that demographic to do that! And they are "paying customers"!
In many areas, they also pay to have access to the regular networks! They have enormous influence, IF THEY ORGANIZE. They question is: does it mean that much to them yet? The tension is building...

Maybe I'm naive, but the Administrations's repeated excesses and failures to respond in the past few months have made it very obvious that something is very wrong! People ARE beginning to stir from their toy-and-TV-induced fat and happy sleep. Katrina, the mounting death toll in Iraq, the Ports mess (where foreign companies, we discover, have been operating in our Ports "for business reasons" longer than we ever suspected), these "asleep at the switch" reactions of this Administration are making it ever more evident that we do not have the "normal" Government that most of us have come to expect.

Campaign reform, as voted before, was a bare "first step". We see now how corrupt the results were, and will be again, if we do not "take our Govern'ment back".

Years ago, when I was a small child, my Dad sat on a barren island in the Pacific and plotted an intricate, hidden course for P-38s to go after the Supreme Commander of the raid on Pearl Harbor. He plotted it down to the last second, and the planes found their target, and who knows? Maybe it slowed the War down a bit, and maybe it didn't. All I knew was that I was missing my Dad on the eve of my fifth birthday, but there was a reason for him to be where he was, and he had carefully explained it to me, the year before, when he left our small home in California. Democracy was truly on the line back then.

Well, it is on the line now, too, but for very different reasons indeed. And this time, the problem is coming more from within than from without Yet we are operating from the same mindset that we used forty, fifty, sixty years ago. Someone is profiting greatly from it. We need to remember Eisenhower's words as he left office, and fear greatly becoming a Fortress, some kind of "Military Empire" with preemptive war, Expanded Presidential Powers, a paranoid mindset, and a loss of liberty and civil rights among our People. Then there will be NO REASON to defend our borders whatsoever. We will have already lost our Democracy while trying to promote it.

We must get our government back from misguided people who think that preemptive War, torture, and spying on our own are the way to go; who think that a Facist State is a necessity. And the way we begin to do that is to set up a clamor such as they have never heard before. We must once again become the "Sleeping Giant" that Yamomoto feared he had awakened with Pearl Harbor; but this time it must be the Administration itself that awakens us. And our protest must be forceful, but we must use every peaceful, non-violent and economic means at our disposal to regain our Country.

We cannot lose our Government. We almost have. Every time I think of these "fat cats" I think of those young Marines on Henderson Field, 62 years ago, subjected to bombing raids every night, and of one young Marine Major, sitting up and figuring out, all night, how to help those P-38s find their way to the architect of the Japanese Navy and of the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Trade Center of his day. I wonder what he would think of the "Democracy" he gave so much of his life for, or if he would be corrupted, too. I hope not.

Thank you, Bill, for sounding the Call.

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Politics and money go together even more than love and marriage
Posted by: Sojourner on Feb 27, 2006 7:49 AM   
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Always have. Always will. But don't forget the Demos spent as much or more than the Repugs in the last presidential election. So money isn't everything.

With all the solutions proposed in this thread, it seems clear that our problem is a lack of agreement about the problem.

Until convinced otherwise, the big picture is whether the USA will become a bigger empire or whether we return to supporting self-determination for autonomous nations. It's the difference between Pax Americana and the United Nations. The current administration wants empire. I grew up with the dream of a community of nations.

So we are now battling over the character of the USA. Do we continue to go it alone, because we're the biggest SOB in the valley? Or do we listen when the scholars tell us that history is littered with the carcasses of former empires? From that of ancient Persia, now known as Iraq, to the German, French, British, Italian, and Japanese of more recent vintage.

Ours is a crucial moment. We shall decide whether the USA opts for empire or for a world community of democratic nations. Empire always looks good, until it crumbles. And it always crumbles. Since that provides evidence for the sinfulness of human beings, for those true believers the issue is already settled.

But some of us believe in the possibility of a new world, unlike anything in the old world. Believe in the new world. Then the only problem is those folks who cannot see the forest for the trees. How many times must we make the same historical mistakes, again and again? Let us learn from history rather than repeat it.

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» Sorry, "Mesopotamian" Posted by: Sojourner
I just don't understand them.
Posted by: antiapathy on Feb 27, 2006 8:18 AM   
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why are Republicans (conservatives, whatever you want to call them) so invested in transfering money and power from the people to the coroporations? I get that many of them make a pretty penny off the process, but the majority of them are normal people who are getting screwed in the deal. Regular joes who own small businesses or family farms that are being wiped out of existince by large corporations. Are these people all retarded? Or to they think things would genuinely be better if a handful of large corporations ruled the world?

These people seem to believe that hard work is the best way to get ahead in life. They want to cut off programs like social security and welfare, because personal responsibility is their dogma. But then they give away the candy store to corporations through tax breaks and wage-lowering measures. WTF?

If anyone understands why people are so eager to support candidates and measures that go against their own interests and beliefs, please explain it to me.

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public campaign financing is being used to lock out 3rd parties
Posted by: wli on Feb 27, 2006 9:40 AM   
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There is already a bill, H.R. 4694, for "public campaign financing."

The insurmountable obstacles it erects for third parties are rather blatantly aimed at protecting the long-since coopted Democrats against third party challengers. This is supported by the few remaining genuine Democrats due to the fact that the Republicans are astroturfing the Green Party and others to split the left-wing vote. It's supported by Republicans because they've long-since infiltrated and controlled the Democratic Party.

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Public Campaign Financing is not Enough
Posted by: Democritus on Feb 27, 2006 10:34 AM   
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Socrates said that voting by ballot was no better than voting by lot. Why was that? It was because people were uneducated, and would accept sophistry and rhetoric over simple truth. Public financing of campaigns is a necessary condition of having an honest, capable government. But it isn't sufficient. What's needed is education from an early age in one's civic responsibilities and lessons in how our government works. Then impose a fine on those eligible voters who do not bother to vote. Funds from these fines alone could be used to cut the cost of public financing perhaps in half.

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What We Can Do Right NOW!
Posted by: starvinmarvy on Feb 27, 2006 10:58 AM   
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MARCH.......thats right..MARCH !!!!
All of us here are so frustrated. The ideas that come from us all are terrific ideas that ABSOLUTELY should be implemented!!Somehow....someway....maybe someday!!!
(my immediate thought is term limits !)
BUT...MARCH ON WASHINGTON...is one thing we can do RIGHT NOW...as a population.We don`t have to wait for elections.We don`t have to wait while we watch more of our kids die. We don`t have to wait while we fall deeper into the abyss !!! POWER with the PEOPLE!!! MASSIVE...never before done...peaceful march .....with the underlying reason for it and perhaps its "slogan" "We`re taking our country back!!"
If Alternet,MoveOn,DailyKos,TomPaine,MotherJones,ect
can come together and promote something like this...we could make change RIGHT NOW!!!!!!

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» P.S. Bill Moyer.. Posted by: starvinmarvy
great article but overwhelming
Posted by: ccbite on Feb 27, 2006 11:42 AM   
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What Bill doesn't mention is the lack of outrage on the part of the Democrats and the corresponding eagerness of Republicans to exploit the expectation of 'civil discourse' to their own cynical advantage. Republicans know that Teddy Kennedy will never walk across the Senate floor and 'cold cock' a Republican colleague. Where is the Democratic outrage at these internal machinations? These democratic senators, while a minority, are still a very elite group and wield great power. If they don't act on principle, then they are just as complicit through inaction. What use is their power?

Here's a few ideas:
- tax religion (they're already represented anyway, who are we kidding?)
- term limits for congress & senate (once served, you can't return)
- responsibility for redistricting should be taken away from Congress, perhaps use the GAO to regulate (since when did leaders choose their voters?)
- public election financing (all levels)
- fixed rate political advertising for media (to control out-of-control media costs for tv, papers, etc.; would reduce the need to spend so much time to pander for money)
- elections held over a span of 3 days (Thu, Fri, Sat)
- voting is required by all citizens and you can't cross state borders if you haven't voted

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Moyers, Bill: Truth Teller
Posted by: Tom Degan on Feb 27, 2006 11:46 AM   
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You've got to hand it to Bill Moyers. When the right-wing crazies like Bill O'Reilly try to portray him as some kind of left-leaning extremist, they always conveniently leave out the fact that this good and decent man is actually an ordained Baptist minister.

I sleep a little better at night knowing that Mr. Moyers is still out there speaking truth to power. God bless you, Bill.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
tomdegan@frontiernet.net

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Make the Money Irrelevant
Posted by: asque on Feb 27, 2006 4:12 PM   
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If everyone talks to their neighbors, friends and relatives, they bypass the media and the money. Let them know that you care. Tell them the truth about the so called morality issues that are used to divert them. Encourage people that you want to vote for to run and then go door to door and support them. A true grassroots campaign does not need millions, just dedicated and informed people.

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» Power Flows From..... Posted by: Brux
May There Always Be A Bill Moyers
Posted by: Riverside on Feb 28, 2006 2:54 AM   
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That said, bringing off true and lasting election reform is going to take the hard working, grass-roots effort many here suggest. Now talking about it is pretty sweatless, doing it is going to take some real commitment and tons of energy. In other words, how hard do we want to work to be free?

Can we talk to an extreme right-wing conservative and arrive at a common ground that allows us to agree about being free?

Can we praise the evangelical while pointing out that supporting the Bush Administration on the basis of a misguided religious conviction is both unwise and dangerous to his religious freedom and my secular freedom?

Bottom line, can we find the common core of humanity that will allow us to come together and save this great nation?

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DeLay - Abramoff - Reed Scandal Steals American Jobs
Posted by: DrGeneNelson on Feb 28, 2006 5:59 AM   
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Learn how the Rep. Tom DeLay - Jack Abramoff - Ralph Reed scandal steals American citizen jobs. A groundbreaking documentation and information collection. The author was displaced from his "high tech" career by the corrupt special visa programs. Dr. Gene Nelson may be reached at (214) 455 - 8065 in Dallas, Texas.
An American Scam by Dr. Gene Nelson

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Outgoing--Democracy. Incoming--Fascism
Posted by: boblecht on Feb 28, 2006 11:24 AM   
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"Government of the people, by the people, for the people" is gone. We now have government of the people by the corporations for the corporations. This is not Democracy; it is Fascism.

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You're right, Mr. Moyers, but the fix is in.
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Feb 28, 2006 10:34 PM   
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Few people in this currently-benighted country are as insightful or as eloquent as Bill Moyers. I only wish I could share his optimism about nipping our burgeoning police state in the bud. Unfortunately, my gut instinct is that, having gone to the trouble of stealing two presidential elections, and subsequently almost completing the job of transforming the presidency into an autocracy, there's virtually nothing these sonsabitches will not stoop to in order to stay in power, including mixing up the ballots while nobody's looking. That's one thing Mr. Moyers overlooks--the fact that the Repugs are rigging elections. And since the media is turning a blind eye to it, it's unlikely that anything will be done about it before we have to vote for the next president. My money is on George Allen--just like Bush, a perfect useful idiot. And another Southern governor. Pleasant prospect, isn't it? But remember you heard it here first. Now I suggest you go and quietly pound your head against a wall.

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MOVING TO VERMONT
Posted by: AlienSlave on Mar 1, 2006 5:26 AM   
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Well here I go again breaking one of my self imposed rules of posting web links. (Slapping my face without the use of Aqua Velva aftershave bad Dobby, bad Dobby). http://www.benningtonbanner.com/headlines/ci_3557081 I’m realistically going to move to Vermont and I’m going to join the fight there for reform and support and encourage anyone running for office that supports it. Read this article and see who is supporting what! It should stop most of the posted debate and accusations here and hopefully start a true dialogue here of what to do to support Vermont.
AlienSlave

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Democarcy is fragile
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 1, 2006 6:14 AM   
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When you have centralized wealth along with centralized power,you loose democracy. Why? Those whom want wealth and power don't want any other voices heard except those who spit money.
Democracy is beyond money and power. Democracy IS power. When ALL Voices are heard you have democracy.
When the nations wealth is equatibly distributed you have
democracy.When power is SHARED among ALL the People you have democracy.Anything less becomes a tyrannical overlordship where the poor and the helpless along with the environment become a blockage to profit and plunder.
A democracy does not allow for a single person to be able to wage war on anyone anywhere at any time. A democracy is
the power of the people,not the power of money,which is fluid and flows to those whom are the most greedy and corrupt.
Our course to save this democracy is a clear one. We must remove all that stands in it's way. The corrupted politicians,
their fat cat contributors and those coperate entities that support the centralizing of power and wealth must be controled or the People will continue toloose out.
Whomever seeks the Oval Office should be commited to
making sure the criminals that put this country in such jepordy
will be arrested and jailed,with their wealth seized and redistributed to the poor. They should make Healthcare for ALL a day one policy. Social Security and the environment should be moved into 'Always Funded' programs,off the Budget which is fraught with pork and corruption. The powers to wage war should be returned to the Congress with strict oversite of the intelligence community and it's counterpart Homeland Security. The wealthy should be taxed into equality
with the rest of the citizenry. The People should be involed in every major decesion made by the Govt. There should be a
'None of the Above' slot on the ballots forcing both parties
to adopt policies and platforms that gain real support because they are broad and not limited to the few.
With Freedom and Liberty, democracy can thrive and grow.
Under our current form, Freedom is squandered and Liberty is exhausted under threats made by a 'propped up' enemy or worst yet, one that does'nt exisit at all except as a tool of Fear and Repression. Freedom is yours,Liberty is yours,surrender it to no one or anything under any circumstance. To do so means you have become the 'controled' and not the Controler

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It does an old heart good.
Posted by: Slowburn on Mar 1, 2006 11:51 AM   
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to see you swinging away at the social injustices of this upside down world. I'm looking forward to your next appearance on the daily show. Swing away bill swing away.

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Mary
Posted by: mbarthel on Mar 1, 2006 11:56 AM   
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As has been already said, thank you, Bill Moyers, for speaking truth to power.

In addition to campaign finance reform, it has been stated that if voting were done on a national holiday, more people might participate. I've worked many years as an election judge, and I agree. Our young people and young working parents need the ability to get to the polls. One day from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. might not be enough when you have children involved in sports, or other activities.

Why not use Veterans Day as Voting Day. Make it a day to honor our democracy and those who fought for it! Make it a national holiday so we can all participate in Veterans events. Our veterans did not fight and die for a flag, they fought for an idea. What better way to honor their sacrifice than to allow people to participate fully.

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» RE: Mary Posted by: gltirebiter
Our nation's peril may be closer than we realize
Posted by: CWB on Mar 2, 2006 2:07 AM   
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Thank you Bill Moyers for another thought-provoking article.

With all that has happened to this nation since 2000, I cannot be optimistic about its future. This is the sort of situation that is so scary, that it "will chill," as the old saying goes, "your beer." And even after you've drunk it, I might add!

President Bush is seeking the right to conduct warrantless wire taps sans warrants signed by judges. Bush says that there may not be time for a warrant when surveiling terrorists. However, the law allows him to conduct necessary wire taps against terrorists and seek a warrant as late as 72 hours later.

The relevent question should be, why is this not a sufficient allowance to legally conduct surveilance?

The reason that this law, allowing for a warrant to be sought 72 hours after the fact, is not useful to Bush is because no judge will sign a warrant for the wire tapping of those who are political dissenters. This is precisely what Bush has in mind ---spying on American-born citizens to determine who is for and who is against him and his goals. Who knows what would be in store for those not in agreement with him. For those, I'm sure hell is in store.

There has even been talk of concentration camps having been built in remote areas of the nation to segregate dissenters from the rest of the nation. Websites such as prisonplanet, arcticbeacon, jeffrense are several that convey this idea. Very little of great importnce in the way of national events have ocurred that I have not first learned of on the jeffrense (Jeff Rense) site. first.

Since his bid for the right to conduct warrantless surveilance, I have suspected that by the end of his second term, Bush will have installed a dictatorial regime with all constitutional liberties having been eliminated.

I'm not sure that voting will end this problem, for with the endless ocean of money at the disposal of the republican Party from its richest benefactors, it would not be too difficult to not only buy off the 06 and 08 elections but to also buy off the entire election system -- "lock, stock, barrel, and all." It was the CEO of Diebold, Inc who publicly promised the Ohio election to Bush in 04. The Diebold voting machines are easy to rig (program) and control so as to manipulate the outcome of any election.

If they have the voting mechanism of America in their control, then the people will have to resort to gunfire to correct this situation and take back their nation, for nothing else will suceed.

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decent dissent
Posted by: decenter on Mar 2, 2006 10:00 AM   
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I can't help but think that a system of representative government that has it's feet bound in the restrictions of travel time and limited communication peculiar to the late eighteenth century, is due for an update. Perhaps, with the advent of the internet, it can be something as simple as when you pay your taxes, you get to pull up the budget website and say where you money goes. Think of how legislating control of our money away from congress and giving it back to us would change things.

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MUSENATIVE
Posted by: NATIVEMUSE on Mar 2, 2006 10:44 AM   
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I have always thought that it might be a good idea to pay legislators $500,000.00/year or whatever sum is sufficient to the people, index it, and AS A CONDITION, make it a treasonous act for them to accept money from any outside source. Let the lobbyists buy them lunch, RETAINING RECIEPTS to avoid invalidating the enshrinement of Political Speech in Buckley vs. Valeo, and the premissions to let the people redress grievances by petitioning their government. Let the Television stations reinstate the Fairness Doctrine. Tax ALL who make money with a social security tax, no ceiling on annual income. DO NOT have term limits, those who serve longer, learn more about how to legislate, and those who are only permitted to serve a term certain would just grab what they can get at the trough. I'm sure there are many mistakes in these ideas, but through discussion, they could be improved, trashed for better ideas, and problems solved, rather than just planting a Bush in front of every problem and worshiping it, hoping that the problem will vanish. We need to make the Constitution applicable to PEOPLE and not PERSONS ( Corporations ) as the Framers did not intend to give Corporations Constitutional protection, this will never happen, but after the Supremes did what they did to the Congress over the Commerce Clause, it is worth a try, and would go a long way to making this a Country instead of an Oligarchy, or Fascistic " Democracy ".

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Selling, not Saving Democracy
Posted by: revscpa on Mar 3, 2006 9:47 AM   
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Depressing and yet, excellent article. Maybe, the title Saving Our Democracy, should be Selling Off Our Democracy. Much thanks, Bill

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One way
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Mar 4, 2006 7:43 AM   
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the public may support such broad social goals as affordable medical coverage for all, decent wages for working people, safe working conditions, a secure retirement, and clean air and water, but there is no government "of, by, and for the people" to deliver on those aspirations

There are three peaceful solutions to this problem.

First, effective campaign finance reform. This will not happen because neither party nor the establishment want it. There have been campaign finance reforms made from time to time for almost 150 years. None have worked.

Second, a viable third party. History shows that this is almost impossible on the national level.

Third, a grassroots movement. History shows this to be a workable solution. We've had the rise of the labor unions, the women's suffrage movement, the temperance movement, the civil rights movement, and the peace movement of the sixties. All these successes prove this to be the most practicable approach.

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god help us
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On March 4, 2006 - 3:34pm www.wreckedband.com said:
www.wreckedband. com on March 2, 2006 - 11:00pm.

feingold ...said ..that this does not mean its over ..he will keep om fighting ......you weak need...yes need ....yellow ..human ....so many coments talk about ..bushes poll #s ...that the world hates bush ...well heres the thing ...raise your hands if u read the dem ...platform ...i mean picked the thing up and read ..what your party stands for ...really u should know it like a perverted precher knows his ...bible ...because we are the ones that make change ...martin luther took it to the streets ....jerry rubin took it to the streets ...kent state students ...were shot dead in the streets ....artists ...were out their taking it to the streets ...its your falt the act was passed ...u and the world dont seem to like george ....well he is the fucken pres ...he runs the show ..like it or not ....this is not scull and bones ..friends ..this is our ..our kids ...world ...get pissed at the leaders ...and then look at who we have become ...fat pigs ..cell phone ..video games....every distraction ...oh did i say money ....lots and lote of money ...bono ..100 million ..paul mccartney 1 billion ...bill cosby 300 million john cary 1 billion ..well his bitchie wife ....jessie jackson ...holy shit ....the sleeping giant is out their but the 60 s and 70 s people that took to the streets are fat ,inshape ...now have the time to get back out their ,,,look beatles ,,,cream ...hendrix ...rock gods ...sex drugs rock ....now the young ....who complane ....whip the fucken parents ...smack the peop