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Missing the Scandal at Abu Ghraib
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In her numerous appearances during the morning news cycle on CNN after the images were first broadcast on Australia's SBS television, Starr described what she saw as the "root of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal" as such:
"Let's start by reminding everybody that under U.S. military law and practice, the only photographs that can be taken are official photographs for documentation purposes about the status of prisoners when they are in military detention. That's it. Anything else is not acceptable. And of course, that is what the Abu Ghraib Prison scandal is all about."What? Here I thought the "scandal" was that the U.S. military was systematically abusing prisoners. These new photos, with their documentation of violently inflicted open wounds, obliterate any notion that what occurred at Abu Ghraib was anything short of torture by all accepted definitions of the term. They reveal some horrifying scenes of naked, humiliated, bloodied prisoners, some with apparent gunshot wounds. In a video broadcast on Australia's SBS, naked, hooded prisoners were seen being forced to masturbate in front of the camera.
But, according to CNN's Starr, the real transgression was that some soldiers documented the torture in violation of "U.S. military law and practice."
In a report later in the morning, Starr returned to her outrageous characterization of the "scandal," beginning her report:
"As we look at a couple of the photographs, let's remind people why these are so inappropriate. Under U.S. military law and practice and procedure, you simply cannot take photographs -- as we're going to show you some of them right now. You cannot take photographs of people in detention, in humiliating positions, positions that are abusive in any way, shape or form. The only pictures that are ever allowed of people in U.S. military detention would be pictures for documentation purposes. And, clearly, these pictures are not that. That is the whole issue that has been at the root of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, that it was abusive, the practices in which soldiers engaged in.""You cannot take photographs of people in detention, in humiliating positions, positions that are abusive in any way, shape or form," according to Starr. But apparently it's OK to place them in those humiliating, abusive positions -- or at least not worth commenting on in these reports on CNN.
Starr continued her report, describing Pentagon reaction to the newly released photos:
"But the Pentagon certainly is not happy that these pictures, these additional pictures, which had not been distributed publicly in the past, Pentagon not happy that they are out. And the reason is, the Pentagon had filed a lawsuit trying to prevent their publication in the United States out of concern, they say, that it would spark violence in the Arab world to see these photographs, and it would put U.S. military forces at risk."The release of the photographs will spark the violence? No -- U.S. torture of prisoners sparks massive outrage and justifiably so. Moreover, this outrage should not just be confined to the "Arab world" but should be felt everywhere, particularly in the United States. Besides, Pentagon lawyers have already tried this defense in federal court, and a judge ruled that fear of facing the consequences of your actions is not a legitimate defense.
Starr concluded another report saying the Pentagon is concerned that if the images "appear in the Islamic world, they are concerned they will incite unrest in the Islamic world and therefore put U.S. military troops at risk."
CNN anchor Zain Vergee then shot back, "And they were swiftly put on Arab TV. As you say, they're out there."
They were swiftly put on Arab TV. Is there something devious about that? Is "Arab TV" somehow committing some transgression against freedom and democracy by broadcasting these images that were first put out by Australian TV in a country Bush claims as his ally?
All of the images of the torture at Abu Ghraib should be made public, as the Center for Constitutional Rights and ACLU have been fighting for, because they are an accurate representation of what has happened and continues to happen in U.S.-run and -supported gulags around the world.
When and if they are released, Barbara Starr should be reminded that she is supposed to be a CNN reporter at the Pentagon, not a Pentagon spokesperson on CNN.
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Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Feb 16, 2006 12:53 AM
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Posted by: Lizka on Feb 16, 2006 2:30 AM
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I think that Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, James Dobson and all the top members of the Christian Coalition should be rounded up, have these full colour photos stuck right in front of their noses - and asked to justify them - on camera. Or UN-justify them! As the case may be!
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Posted by: esromel on Feb 16, 2006 3:35 AM
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And naturally she's a mouth piece for the pentagon-aren't they all???
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Posted by: dale0k on Feb 16, 2006 4:40 AM
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What load of crap. There is no media, if all they do is hand over government propaganda. This is really pathetic. Indefensible. Thanks to Alternet for helping shed some light, but what a load of crap! Even with the propaganda machines going full blast, Bush has an approval rating of sub-45%. Imagine what would be going on if telling the truth, really asking the right questions, were ever actually attempted? These guys would all be impeached! But as it is, we the people, trite as it sounds, have to soldier on, especially with all the Congress, the executive, the judicial, and even the media, all teaming up to get the plays right. George W. - Orwell... 1984 is coming fast. Thank God for lights like Alternet, but what can we do about getting the truth through the bigger voices? Has Starr (any relation to Kenny?) ever been called out for this? Amazing how a few cameras and lights, a big paycheck, and some coziness with some big shots will kill any semblance of integrity...
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Posted by: mysticalrae on Feb 16, 2006 5:03 AM
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And folks, has anyone given any thought to those American service people who are trained to do the torturing and who even take the pictures? They will one day be walking, working and living among the general population -- us! How much of their training will stay with them for life? Will they have to register, as a convicted sex offender does? I would sure like to know where they will be living, and make sure the beliefs they hold are not permeating my children's lives.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Feb 16, 2006 6:35 AM
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and probably trying desperately to find out who took the photos so they can be court martialed . yes it's not the TORTURE that is WRONG but the REPORTING of the Torture that is wrong .
I believe there is something in the Bible that speaks of Evil
being done in the DARK .
The only leakers they don't seem to be interested in prosecuting is the ones responsible for leaking Valarie
Plames name . Of course she was only a NOC working on
tracking REAL WMD's .
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"All the methods used in Abu Grahib were normal procedures against Palestinians. In 1999 Internationals, Palestinians and Israelis for human rights threatened a boycott against Israel and that is what forced the Supreme Court to address the torture issue.
"They did not ban torture and the General Prosecutor can choose not to prosecute those who still use it."
-Ala Jaradat of the organization ADAMEER [WWW.ADDAMEER.ORG] as told to WAWA reporter in Ramallah
excerpt from 1/5/06 WAWA blog
http://www.wearewideawake.org
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Posted by: Newsguy on Feb 16, 2006 9:52 AM
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It would be against all my instincts to report a story as viscerally disgusting as this in order to steer it off onto a sidetrack like "the pictures are the problem, and now the Arab world is going to respond with violence."
Clearly the torture is the problem and anyone not sickened by this administration and its approval of torture is either brain dead or needs a 10 week course in ethics.
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Posted by: deejayvee on Feb 16, 2006 6:15 PM
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As an Australian, I am proud of the Special Broadcasting Service for having the guts to get these photos out there.
However, not all Australian TV is of that quality. On the Sunrise program on the Seven Network yesterday, a guest by the name of John Mangos was saying that we have to "put the pictures in context" and that at the time they were taken the world was "very angry about September 11". I just couldn't believe my ears that somebody would claim, on national television, that being angry about September 11 justifies the behaviour documented in these pictures!
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» Propaganda 101. . .
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» Starr has "Woodward Syndrome"
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» RE: *This* is what is meant by framing the debate.
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» Thats because the torture isn't for obtaining information........
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Posted by: Lizka on Feb 16, 2006 2:30 AM
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I think that Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, James Dobson and all the top members of the Christian Coalition should be rounded up, have these full colour photos stuck right in front of their noses - and asked to justify them - on camera. Or UN-justify them! As the case may be!
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Posted by: esromel on Feb 16, 2006 3:35 AM
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And naturally she's a mouth piece for the pentagon-aren't they all???
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Posted by: dale0k on Feb 16, 2006 4:40 AM
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What load of crap. There is no media, if all they do is hand over government propaganda. This is really pathetic. Indefensible. Thanks to Alternet for helping shed some light, but what a load of crap! Even with the propaganda machines going full blast, Bush has an approval rating of sub-45%. Imagine what would be going on if telling the truth, really asking the right questions, were ever actually attempted? These guys would all be impeached! But as it is, we the people, trite as it sounds, have to soldier on, especially with all the Congress, the executive, the judicial, and even the media, all teaming up to get the plays right. George W. - Orwell... 1984 is coming fast. Thank God for lights like Alternet, but what can we do about getting the truth through the bigger voices? Has Starr (any relation to Kenny?) ever been called out for this? Amazing how a few cameras and lights, a big paycheck, and some coziness with some big shots will kill any semblance of integrity...
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Posted by: mysticalrae on Feb 16, 2006 5:03 AM
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And folks, has anyone given any thought to those American service people who are trained to do the torturing and who even take the pictures? They will one day be walking, working and living among the general population -- us! How much of their training will stay with them for life? Will they have to register, as a convicted sex offender does? I would sure like to know where they will be living, and make sure the beliefs they hold are not permeating my children's lives.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Feb 16, 2006 6:35 AM
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and probably trying desperately to find out who took the photos so they can be court martialed . yes it's not the TORTURE that is WRONG but the REPORTING of the Torture that is wrong .
I believe there is something in the Bible that speaks of Evil
being done in the DARK .
The only leakers they don't seem to be interested in prosecuting is the ones responsible for leaking Valarie
Plames name . Of course she was only a NOC working on
tracking REAL WMD's .
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Posted by: eileenflmng on Feb 16, 2006 6:43 AM
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"All the methods used in Abu Grahib were normal procedures against Palestinians. In 1999 Internationals, Palestinians and Israelis for human rights threatened a boycott against Israel and that is what forced the Supreme Court to address the torture issue.
"They did not ban torture and the General Prosecutor can choose not to prosecute those who still use it."
-Ala Jaradat of the organization ADAMEER [WWW.ADDAMEER.ORG] as told to WAWA reporter in Ramallah
excerpt from 1/5/06 WAWA blog
http://www.wearewideawake.org
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Posted by: Newsguy on Feb 16, 2006 9:52 AM
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It would be against all my instincts to report a story as viscerally disgusting as this in order to steer it off onto a sidetrack like "the pictures are the problem, and now the Arab world is going to respond with violence."
Clearly the torture is the problem and anyone not sickened by this administration and its approval of torture is either brain dead or needs a 10 week course in ethics.
Skeptical Observer
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Posted by: deejayvee on Feb 16, 2006 6:15 PM
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As an Australian, I am proud of the Special Broadcasting Service for having the guts to get these photos out there.
However, not all Australian TV is of that quality. On the Sunrise program on the Seven Network yesterday, a guest by the name of John Mangos was saying that we have to "put the pictures in context" and that at the time they were taken the world was "very angry about September 11". I just couldn't believe my ears that somebody would claim, on national television, that being angry about September 11 justifies the behaviour documented in these pictures!
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