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Rewriting Our Rotten History of Elections

By Matthew Wheeland, AlterNet. Posted February 15, 2006.


The history of American elections is not pretty: Voting irregularities have been widespread since long before Bush v. Gore, but now is the time to reverse course.
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Depending whom you ask, the state of the union's elections are either peachy-keen or in dire straits. With voting irregularities fast becoming the norm, election officials moonlighting as campaign leaders and highly suspicious differences in polling places from region to region, there is an ill-disguised sense that perhaps our democracy is not quite as strong as politicians and their mouthpieces would have you believe.

As of now, with Republicans in control of every branch of the federal government, much of the finger-pointing is aimed at the GOP. After all, if election reform has stalled in Congress since the 2000 election, it's likely that Republicans have built and maintained the roadblocks holding it up.

But it hasn't always been that way; in fact, as recently as 12 years ago, Democrats were the ruling party, riding out the tail end of a political dominance that stretched through much of the century. And Americans voted to give Congress to the GOP partly in response to widespread Democratic corruption. Now that cycle has turned again, and the Republican Party is staring down the barrel of voter wrath.

These kinds of cycles, the regular booms and busts of American politics, are at the heart of Andrew Gumbel's book "Steal This Vote: Dirty Elections and the Rotten History of Democracy in America," published last year by Nation Books. Gumbel, a reporter for the British newspaper the Independent, wrote extensively about the aftermath of the 2000 presidential election. But in Steal This Vote, he looks at elections throughout this country's history, and although the picture he paints is not pretty, it offers solid hope for solutions. Gumbel spoke with AlterNet recently on the phone from Los Angeles.

Matthew Wheeland: I know this is a terribly complex and loaded question, but I feel like I have to ask you this first, to get it out of the way: Do you think that the 2004 election was stolen?

Andrew Gumbel: Well, a lot of people saw the kind of shenanigans that went on in Ohio, Florida and elsewhere, and were so appalled by what they saw that they concluded that the outcome of the election must have been compromised.

I think the question that you've asked, which a lot of people have asked, is actually the wrong one. And the reason for that is that we have a vast amount of evidence that the Republican Party in particular played very dirty in Ohio, they played very dirty in Florida. And the really urgent thing that needs to be addressed are those tactics and the rules that make those tactics possible, and in particular the political structure that enables the party in power with the means to be able to play dirty to do so. There's no real oversight by Congress or anybody else on how elections are conducted on the state and local level. That's the key point that needs addressing.

As far as the outcome of the results is concerned, we have the evidence about crazy rules that were issued by the secretary of state in Ohio, who was doubling as the co-chair of George Bush's reelection campaign. We have evidence of strange things going on in certain counties, as regards the counts, the functioning of the computer tabulation machines, the distribution of the machines to enable people to vote in the first place, the number of provisional ballots were issued, the number of provisional ballots that were rejected, both of which were abnormally high in Ohio and on and on and on.

These add up to a deeply dysfunctional electoral system. They do not, however, add up to proof that the election was stolen. The numbers just aren't there.

And you ask anybody, you ask Mark Crispin Miller, you ask Bob Fitrakis, any of the people running around, desperately wanting to believe that Kerry was the rightful winner of the election. They don't have the evidence either. When you press them, they will admit that they don't, and to insist that because there was this manipulation of the system, therefore the outcome is wrong, I think is absolutely disastrous in terms of political strategy.

Then you are guaranteeing yourself marginal status, and it means that the Republican Party and others who want to believe that the voting reform movement is somehow a bunch of kooks on the extreme left fringe making outrageous claims that they can't back up only get extra evidence to further those allegations.

What we need is very cool, clear accusations for which there is substantiating evidence in terms of the various malfeasance and foul play and lack of oversight. That needs to be the focus. This would create a situation where you can get on board not only Democrats who wish that George Bush hadn't been reelected for a second term, but also Republicans, because if we're talking about voting rights, then it is of burning interest to all voters, not just voters from one party or on one side of the political spectrum.

MW: I'll come back to this in a minute, but I think that one of the strengths of your book is that it shows that it is not limited to either side. But at the same time I can see how it's easy to reduce all these circumstances of shady play or just partisan politics structure for election systems to this -- it was stolen, it was this conspiracy, and it's very comforting for people to be able to limit it to that.

AG: I think you're absolutely right. It is very comforting for people, and it becomes a substitute for other kinds of political desires, most notably the desire not to have George Bush president anymore. But I think strategically it's a big mistake.

Having said that, lets not make any bones about it -- the Republicans are in control in some of the key states, they're obviously in control in the Congress, in the White House, and what I've discovered in the course of my historical research is that the problem is not with one party rather than the other. It's not that the Republicans are inherently bad and the Democrats are inherently better, or for that matter, vice versa.

What it is is a problem with the two-party system where one party is in control and where the stakes are high enough to give them the motivation to try and cheat in close races. That's where you're going to see the shenanigans.

If you look at the historical record, it really doesn't matter if it's the Democrats or the Republicans in charge. Where those conditions exist, cheating happens. There are fundamental underlying structural problem with the U.S. electoral system that have not been addressed ever, and we're seeing the fruit of them now.

I would say that there are a couple of things that are different about the situation that we're in at the moment. One is that both parties have a long history of being surprisingly non-ideological, certainly by European standards. Both parties represent a broad coalition, very different interests on the state and local level across the country that have come together in these two big grab bags in the Republican and Democratic parties.

I do feel that that's been changing in the last few years, and its been the Republicans that have been making a run on that. They've become highly ideological. It's a curious kind of ideology, unlike European parties where the ideology is something that is open and shared by the supporters and by the party leaders alike. I think what you see is an ideology that exists on the level of leadership in the Republican Party but isn't necessarily represented in their communications to the voters or in the motivations that the voters have in voting for the Republicans. It's a sort of intriguing setup.

MW: Sure, like even if you were to spell out the agenda of the Republican leadership, most of the items on their to-do list would not likely be repeated on your everyday Republican voter's list of things they want to accomplish.

AG: Right, they have this rhetoric. This very populist rhetoric which is what both parties talking about standing up for American values and the common man against the nasty elitist liberals, where in fact, when you look at what they're doing, they're representing corporate interests. Very much it's a matter of defensive power against popular interest in my view, and I think in the view of a lot of people on the left.

But the way this effects the electoral setup is that I think you see that not only do the Republicans have a very specific ideology, but it's an ideology at the leadership level that is based to some degree on a "take no prisoners" attitude to power. And I think you've seen a much greater ruthlessness in the way that they have waged their political battles, including their electoral battles, than you ever did in the past.

One thing I write about in the book is that you've seen evidence of a kind of an unspoken pact between the parties. Neither has ever really talked about the dirty electioneering of the other. For a couple of reasons, one because they both do it, so to reveal the others' secrets is to risk exposure of your own. And also there's this sense that the system needs to be safeguarded, the belief in the civic religion of America as the greatest democracy on earth needs to be upheld, and its in nobody's interest to put a dent in that.

Richard Nixon, after the 1960 election, which a lot of people believed was stolen from him in Illinois and possibly elsewhere, actually took steps to stop a friend of his who was a journalist investigating shenanigans in Illinois and Texas and elsewhere. And his name was Earl Mazo, and he worked for the New York Herald Tribune, and Nixon turned to him and said, "They're very interesting stories that you're writing, Earl, but nobody steals the presidential election in the United States." And I think that sense that we need to preserve the veneer of the greatness of the system is very powerful.

That has changed to some degree since the 2000 election, I think. The deep concern over the tactics that were deployed in Florida by the Republicans and the strong feeling, certainly, among Democrats. And I think among many, many foreign observers that George Bush didn't win that election for a number of reasons has blown open this issue, and then on the heels of that was all the concern that has grown up about the safety of a new generation of electronic voting machines. Suddenly, we have the first real debate in this country about how elections are conducted that has ever existed.

MW: You give the example of the 2002 elections, the OSCE's ten-person team that came to monitor elections and all the many obstacles they faced because there are no centralized, national standards conducting elections.

That's right. First of all, one of the things Jimmy Carter talked about was the fact that the United States has no provisions for international observers. Or for that matter, almost no provisions for observers of any kind other than members of the two political parties, and it varies a little bit from county to county, and some counties are more liberal than others, but it is absolutely standard in international electoral procedure to have a provision for international observers.

In fact, the United States, through the OSCE when it conducts monitoring missions, say in the Balkans or in the former Soviet countries in Eastern Europe, they expect full access for international monitoring. They have no such provision domestically. And yes, you're right, when you see what can happen at the local level, what essentially has happened historically is that the two parties have filled electoral offices with party hacks, usually not the brightest bulbs.

It's been observed for a long time that election offices are places where people get dumped when they're not considered bright enough for any other kind of political office. There are notable exceptions to that, but my experience in talking to electoral officials is that they tend to be underpaid and under-resourced and rather unloved.

MW: Right, there was the case you mention in the book of the election official in Washington State who quit her job to go be a waitress because the pay was better.

AG: Yes. It was a rural county, but still the point is made.

The most extreme examples of corruption on the local level, the most wonderful example of a stolen election that I've ever come across, was how Lyndon Johnson won the Senate in Texas in 1948. He did it in a very large number of ways, but what it came down to in the end was that he was trailing by about 120 votes. It was six days after the election, and it seemed like all the votes were in and one of his operatives in Jim Wells County, which is down near the Rio Grande River on the Mexican border, changed that 7 to a 9, gave him 200 more votes, and he ended up the winner.

When they inspected the voting ledger, they saw that the last 200 names had been written in in alphabetical order in a different color of ink from all the rest. And Coke Stevenson, who was the losing candidate, went down to Jim Wells County with Frank Hamer, the marshall who caught Bonnie and Clyde 15 years earlier. They went through this list and tried to find the people on the list, and they found every irregularity conceivable.

The story which I go into is quite extraordinary, not only because LBJ stole that election, but that he got away with it when his theft was so brazen. He essentially got away with it because it was a primary election rather than a general election, so the ultimate authority was the Democratic Party. The executive committee of the Texas Democratic Party took a crucial vote, and people were so afraid to vote against LBJ that some of them didn't even show up to the meeting.

The absolutely last, critical vote came when LBJ's operative searched the building for a couple of people who were missing and found one of them skulking in the mens' toilet and hauled him out and forced him to vote for LBJ, and that was the end of that. They voted against conducting further investigation, and he became the senator.

MW: That really illustrates why I think that the historical viewpoint of your book is so important: It demystifies politics, it takes the mythologies out of politics. People on the left want to believe that Democrats are good and honest and have always been, but really they're just not as capable of stealing an election as the Republicans.

But another facet of the historical view you're offering is that it shows all these cycles from relatively calm elections to incredibly corrupt, and there are always solutions on offer, but they have yet to stick. Is there any reason to believe that now we're in a position to break this cycle, or that 30 years from now we'll be back in the same situation?

AG: The real culprit for the way things are now and the way they've been for a long time is the two-party system. What I spend a lot of time doing in the book is looking at how that system came about in the United States. This country's development of its democratic institutions was really quite anomalous, which I don't think people fully appreciate.

In many ways, the U.S. was way out in front of any other country in developing universal suffrage in the 1830s and 1840s. Suffrage was granted to just about all white men, and in some cases black men, and in a few cases, in certain states, women too. Whereas at the same time in Europe, suffrage was extremely restricted to men of property, if that. But by the late 19th century in the U.S., starting with the post-Civil War era, you had a lot of restrictions on voting -- literacy tests, good character tests, and so on -- aimed to systematically deprive not only blacks but poor whites and immigrants of the right to vote.

And gradually the two parties took political control, and essentially what happened in the late 19th century was that instead of the parties corrupting voters one by one -- by paying them, by getting them to cast more than one ballot, by taking them around from precinct to precinct to vote repeatedly -- the parties changed tactics and started corrupting the electoral officials and the electoral process instead.

So you had corrupt officials working on behalf of the parties, and in jurisdictions where one party was in control, they managed to fiddle the vote. And you also had the introduction of voting machines, which were trumpeted as something that of great value to the individual voter by making the process of voting much easier, but in every instance, whether you're talking about lever machines from the 1890s onwards or whether you're talking about punchcards from the 1960s onwards, or now if you're talking about computer voting machines, the real interested parties are the county's voting officials. These machines were designed to make their jobs easier.

And to differing degrees it made the job of them corrupting the electoral process, if they were so inclined, much easier as well. Every technology was trumpeted as a kind of miracle solution that was going to clean up the system. What it turned out to be was a different platform on which electoral shenangians could be carried out. That has been true of every single type of machinery.

We are now in a situation where the new generation of touch screen computer voting machines hold that very particular danger, not because people cheat more or less, but because instead of being able to cheat in one county at a time, which was essentially the way you had to do it in the old days with lever machines or with punch cards, you now have computer tabulation software that applies to machines that might be used over several counties, or indeed over several states.

If you have access to Diebold tabulation software or the Sequoia tabulation software, it's the same software that is used in every single one of those companies' machines. So you can then manipulate outcome over large swathes of the country. That's something utterly new and holds new dangers, but the basic structure of how elections are corrupted and who corrupts them hasn't really changed at all in 100 years.

MW: Obviously, voting machines are one of the biggest issues at play in discussions about election fraud. Is there a way to make voting machines, as we have them now, a fair and accountable system, or do we need to go back to something like a paper ballot?

AG: Well the very simple way that you could make the system more transparent is to stop this ludicrous practice of having proprietary software put into voting machines that no one, not even the election officials, is allowed to inspect. It's absolutely insane, the idea that you have a public process in an election that is being carried out with proprietary software that everybody just has to take on trust.

My own personal take on the electronic voting machines is that I think they are absolutely the wrong technology for voting for a number of reasons. One is because they're very expensive. Another is because you need to keep upgrading and changing the software, which is also a huge expense, and also, everytime you do that, it has security implications.

Essentially, it's just a much too complicated, much too risky system for running something that could be done much more simply and much more cheaply. I'm not the only one who thinks this. A lot of experts who have looked at this think that the best technology that is out there at the moment is the optical scan system. That's the one where you have the paper ballot and you fill in little bubbles like you do on an SAT test.

MW: One of the more interesting long-term issues that you bring up in the book is that race seems to be behind most, if not all, the most egregious voting rights violations that starting even from the very beginning of the country.

AG: I work as a foreign correspondent in the United States, and anyone who comes here is prepared to delve into the issue of race and assume that it is a much bigger issue in the United States than many Americans are prepared to acknowledge. When I went about researching this book, I had a good idea that race played a big part in this story, and I was consistently surprised that it really seemed to play an even bigger role than I had suspected.

For example, it's a well-known fact that slavery was condoned when the Constitution was drawn up. What I didn't realize was that because of the existence of slavery, that gave certain in-built advantages to slave owners in the South, and in a way it was reflected in the architecture of the American democratic institution. Essentially what you have is for the purposes of weighting congressional districts, slaves were considered 3/5 of a person; when it came to voting rights, they were considered 0/5 of a person, and this was part of the negotiations between the Southern states and the Northern states.

This created congressional districts where white slave owners essentially had more say than Northerners did. This is also reflected in the Electoral College, because that was based on congressional districts and in the Senate likewise, you had two seats per state, and populations in the South were much smaller because only whites were allowed to vote. Right from the beginning, you had a bias towards slave owners, and slavery was the great issue that haunted the whole system.

Then, when you skip forward to the Civil War, the emancipation, the end of slavery, then over the next 30 to 40 years, you had not only the rewriting of the Constitution that effectively made it impossible for blacks to vote that in the north as well a lot of the discrimination in terms of literacy tests, good character tests. A lot of that was directed towards blacks in particular and other minorities, all of whom were considered to be alarming and essentially for the country and there was an very explicit attempt to exclude them from the right to vote.

And then, if we skip forward to the Voting Rights Act in the mid-1960s, that certainly solved a lot of the problems in theory, but not always in practice. If you look at the pattern of discrimination and exclusion from voting since then, you see a very heavy burden being carried by African-Americans. The kinds of stories you hear about people being misdirected to the wrong precinct, or told if they have outstanding warrants or parking tickets they're not going to be allowed to vote, or having too few voting machines or too few precincts always seem to be in heavily African-American areas.

The other important category in the South in particular is the laws that do not grant automatic restoration of voting rights to a felon once they've completed their sentences. This was a particularly big issue in Florida in 2000, when roughly 600,000 people were excluded by this law.

You also had the problem that they drew up a felon purge list which was supposed to identify people who had criminal records and therefore should be disqualified. That list turned out to be riddled with errors to where in counties where they checked, up to 95 percent of the names turned out to be wrong, which again was another big suppression mechanism against African-American votes.

The states where this is particularly acute tend to be these Southern states where Republicans are in control, and they have absolutely no interest in changing the rules. Jeb Bush is a prime example -- you can petition to death to make it easier for convicted felons to vote once they've completed their sentences, but he has done absolutely nothing about it because he knows perfectly well that 90 percent of those voters, were they granted the right to vote, would vote against his party.

MW: This last question is probably the first question I should have asked you, but we'll just go at it backwards. You're British and you write for a British newspaper, among other American sources, so how did you come to write this book?

AG: It seemed to be an issue that kept coming back at me. I was in Austin, Texas, on the night of the 2000 election -- that extremely strange night that never ended -- and I was very heavily involved in covering the battle in Florida that ensued. Then a couple of years later, I was told about the problems with the computer voting machines and wrote about it from sources that I didn't necessarily trust terribly well. There was a neighbor of mine who also alerted me to it, and I thought I would make some phone calls and see if there was something to this.

I talked to Rebecca Mercury, a computer scientist who was teaching at the time at Harvard. She seemed to be a pretty impeccable source who talked me through some the hair-raising things that had been going on that hadn't really received any media attention at all. I read the report that came out from Johns Hopkins and Rice universities, which after they got ahold of the Diebold source code and found it was riddled with absolutely elementary security problems.

I talked to activists in Georgia, I started to investigate more and more because really nobody else had written about it. I wrote a big piece in the Independent in October of 2003 that got a huge response and one of the responses was from people who said, "Isn't it strange that our system is riddled with problems, given how well it has worked in the past?" To which my response was, "I think there's something wrong with that picture, and maybe it would be worth delving into the historical research to explain exactly why there's something wrong with that picture, so that was the origins of the book."

MW: Everyone does assume that sometime in this mythical past things worked well, but if you try to pin down exactly which decade it was that everything worked well, you just lose it. Your book really shows that it has been a constant problem in this country.

AG: I think part of the reason that no one has done this is because, between 1960 when you had the Nixon-Kennedy race and 2000 with Bush-Gore, there hadn't been a really high-profile national election where the issue of malfeasance had come up. There had been plenty of issues locally, but there's a habit with the U.S. press to focus on the local issues and not to look what's happening in the counties a couple of states over, that people weren't looking at that patchwork of constant problems that never went away.

The other thing, which is perhaps an advantage of being a foreigner, is that to the extent that people have written books about problems with the electoral system, they've tended to want to assert that Democrats cheat more them Republicans, or Republicans cheat more than Democrats, and I think that's really the wrong approach.

I think you've really got to look at the system as a political system and how it has benefitted each of the parties separately and both of them together over a very long time, and I don't know if it takes a foreigner to do that, but whenever I address groups, there tend to be Democrats who are more interested in this issue at the moment because they're the ones who are suffering at the moment from elections that don't go their way. They want to believe that I am a Democrat like them, and they say, how can we do something about these awful Republicans. It gives me great pleasure to tell them that I am not a Democrat, and I'm not a Republican either. That is the great advantage that I have.

MW: The opening chapter of the book is incredibly harsh on Democrats and justly so; it's important to air this eye-opening information, so we can understand the big picture that there is no good guy and no bad guy.

AG: Right. Electoral malfeasance is not something that good politicians never do and bad politicians do habitually. It's really a matter of how high the stakes, and who is in a position to play dirty. And if the stars align in that way for one party to be able to chaff the other, usually they will.

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no democracy
Posted by: rsaxto on Feb 15, 2006 3:36 AM   
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Thanks for confirming my suspicion that we have never, ever had a real democracy in the USA. It is stupid to think that we can build democracies overseas when we don't have one here.

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If they won't join you beat 'em
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Feb 15, 2006 4:23 AM   
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Our two political parties have become Republican Right and Republican Lite. Both parties serve the corporate establishment. It doesn't make much difference who wins or whether they win honestly or not. The only thing elections decide is which party carries out the agenda of the corporatocracy.

The best way to beat this sorry situation is to force both parties to represent the people. It can be done by a grassroots movement using the tactics of labor unions. That is to make demands and threaten non-participation if the demands are not met.

Join the Lincoln Initiative a grassroots movement not an organization. There are no leaders, no registration, no contributions, no meetings, and no hassle. Help make "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" a reality. Click on a quiet revolution

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Lost Souls
Posted by: rabblerowzer on Feb 15, 2006 4:26 AM   
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Have you never wondered why, in spite of a majority of Americans demanding universal health care, we are worse off today than when Truman first suggested it?

The answer is simple. We are not now and never have been a democracy. What we are is an utterly corrupt cannibalistic society ruled by a predatory plutocracy. Our delusions of democracy are a carefully orchestrated conceit spoon fed to us by politicians, and a monopolistic corporate media from our cradle to the grave. We are a capitalistic society that eats our children, our old and infirm and the weak and meek. That’s the way it is and the way the majority likes it.

We are a godless nation lost in selfishness, greed and denial.

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Electronic voting
Posted by: markusmark on Feb 15, 2006 8:42 AM   
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One of the major issues in the 2004 Ohio elections was the use of Diebold electronic voting machines. It has been reported that the CEO of Diebold, Walden W. O’Dell, who recently resigned, has said to gwb that he "guarenteed" a victory in Ohio.
The only way we can prevent this - electronic election fraud - from happening again is to have all manufacturers of electronic voting machings to submit their machines for testng by the National Institute for Standards and Testing (NIST) and and an independent test lab. We should also demand that electronic voting machines produce a paper trail - a printed copy of the votes cast by the citizen.
Peace!
Mark

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Bogus assertion
Posted by: ScottP on Feb 15, 2006 8:55 AM   
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This is a good article overall, and generally right on. But I'll protest an assertion:
if we're talking about voting rights, then it is of burning interest to all voters, not just voters from one party or on one side of the political spectrum

That is simply not true from my experience. Most people are results oriented, not process oriented. If their guy wins, it doesn't matter how he did it as far as they're concerned. Most Bush supporters have an inkling he stole the election, and are OK with that. Most Kerry supporters ignore the fact that the media conspired to wipe out Dean in the primary, which means that Kerry benefitted from dirty tactics, and yet conveniently ignore this. If Kerry was the President today, they would continue to ignore the sordid way that he won the primary.

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» RE: Bogus assertion Posted by: Madalone
If you Live by elections, you will die by elections.
Posted by: CMaciolek on Feb 15, 2006 9:06 AM   
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True democracy is a form of Natural Selection.

It is time to evolve.

The Blue Party.net

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elections and fairness
Posted by: robedal on Feb 15, 2006 10:24 AM   
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Like justice, elections should be fair, and be seen to be fair. So out with voting machines, computer voting, etc. Study the system in other countries. The best tool for democracy is a paper ballot and a pencil.
Junk that grotesque institution, the senate, massively un-representative from its beginning, and one of the major contributors to the dysfunctional government in Wahington (disfunctionality is not my opinion, but that of one in a position to know, a foreign ambassador from a democratic country). Institute proportional representation to get rid of the tweededum/dee parties.
What's needed is clear. How this could be achieved in a country in a pre-facist state I have no idea.

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» RE: elections and fairness Posted by: douglashoyt
We Win, or Lose at the County Level
Posted by: asque on Feb 15, 2006 11:32 AM   
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Since our election system is decentralized, elections are lost, and won, at the county level, where we can make a difference by being pollworkers and observers. Once you get honest people in at the county level, it becomes much harder for anyone to steal an election.

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we win or lose at the county level
Posted by: robchapman on Feb 15, 2006 2:52 PM   
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The person who wrote these remarks clearly is an experienced realist who would rather work slowly toward success than be simon pure and sink quickly into failure.

One point to add: in addition to working the governmental mechanisms that keep democracy functioning, we also need to organize the DEMOCRATIC PARTY so that we can get our voters to the polls.

We Democrats have the highest number of supporters on the streets, in the living rooms and at the work places, but we are terrible at getting them to the ONLY PLACE where they will counted:
the polling stations on election day.

So let's keep up the kvetching, but enliven it by organizing in our communities and making sure DEMOCRATIC votes are cast.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, New York

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Andrew Gumbel isn't helping enough. Read Mark Crispin Miller instead or a good votefraud website.
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Feb 16, 2006 12:58 AM   
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Gumbel is way off base, pretending to be the fact-keeper by stating conventional generalizations he can't back up with data, but it "sounds true" because we wish to believe it. Take what he says about Miller and Fritakis and others claiming the '04 election was stolen but they "don't have the evidence"... but he doesn't in anyway prove they don't, just makes a verbal claim that they don't. He boils it down to these accusations being a bad political strategy, which they may or may not be, but it isn't about strategy, it's about the integrity of our electoral processes. Gumbel does raise a lot of good points other people already have, such as the need for open source software, but he's flat out wrong in advocating optical scanning since around 80% of optical scanned votes are counted by Diebold, ES&S and Seqouia, the three worst violators and all Republican owned. Sure, optical scanning offers a paper trail for a recount, if you can get one. Optical scan vote fraud is documented as occurring in various states in 2004. The fact that he's so wrong about such a salient point raises credibility questions about his work to my mind. He trumpets his non-partisanship, but to me that is a superficial qualification. The question is does he know what he's talking about? No, he's trying to be too fair and balanced instead of hard-hitting and as a result misses the target by a mile. We have a whole system that has parts compromised all over the place due to an investment of capital by Republicans to buy how our voting systems count votes, and of course all the other kinds of fraud we've seen. It's nice that Gumbel's concerned about all of that, but he really isn't helping build the evidence about what's happened and seems to be off-base on what to do about it, which is very diversionary and not particulary helpful.

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Democracy and elections...
Posted by: moll18 on Feb 16, 2006 10:04 AM   
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In the elections in the U.S., I am sure everyone knows that it is the "money" that counts, not the votes by us people. If we cannot get the big wads of cash out of the system, there is no reason voting for a candidate. The money will pick them everytime, not the people. Ever notice why there are so many people on the ballot that have no challengers, but are incumbents? How about the many other people that show up on the ballot when you go to vote that you never even heard of and wish you knew something about where they stood so you could vote for them instead of the same-ol-same-ol? So do I. How come we never hear about any other candidates than whose on TV? If we are NOT a Two-Party system then why are we not giving ALL candidates a chance to tell us what they will do for us? We need to get the money out of the election system and give candidates equal airtime. Britan does this for their candidates plus equal government campaign funds, and this seems to work a whole lot better than here. What is wrong with paper ballots? Why the need to put in place machines that only few know anything about, whic is costly, subject to crashes, manipulation and fraud? It is fairly obvious this an attempt by the Republicans to stay in power no matter what, and it is not for the good of the country of the people! (Just look around you the past six years. Are you really better off than you were six years ago? I'm now hanging by a thread than I was six years ago, so no.) But a bigger question is why the apathy to doing the "right thing?" (Dumb question, I know, but needs to be asked.) Why the apathy when it comes to getting anything cleaned up to make the process "fair." Why do we allow this corruption to continue? It is OUR system, CLEAN it UP! Stop sitting on the sidelines and complaining, and get involved! Write letters to your congressmen and senators telling them to clean up their acts or be replaced with someone who will do the job we ask! Start holding them accountable and vote them out. Voting is not something you take for granted. If you want to hold the government accountable then you have to get involved and SAY something! You have to be willing to put your "neck on the line" so to speak to get some things done. If you do not have a control on what is going on around you then you get what you deserve. You then have no right to complain! (Which, by the way, makes you part of the problem and not part of the solution.) Same applies to those who think "my vote will not count." What is the old saying "it is counts more in numbers?" One person cannot make his/her vote count alone, but many can make a BIG difference! Right now we have only half this country represented. Anyone who does not agree is not allowed access to our President. This is democracy? Our leader is telling us what he will do, and we do not have a say. And anyone who says anything in disagreement with this government is...unpatriotic. Yes, GW is right in what he says about the terrorists wanting to hurt us, since he created the situation. He gave into the terrorists the minute he started squashing OUR civil liberties! He lauds our enemies as "allies" (Pakistan and Saudi Arabia) in our war on terror, but the only one doing the terrorizing is us. Who of the Iraqi people did this administration ask to keep our war on terrorism over there so we do not have to fight them here? (What did these people do to deserve our rath? Saddam has been captured, we should be out of there.) Did these people say, "Yeah, good idea, we will be killed and maimed, so you can be safe over there." And are you ready for it to come here? Do you really want to live like Israel, Iran or Iraq? IS this what you had in mind for your children's future...death, destruction, hopelessness? Do you really think by fighting them there, we keep it there? If you believe this, I have some great swamp property I want to unload...Cheap!

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the last 2 elections were definitely stolen
Posted by: cold2touch on Feb 17, 2006 9:47 AM   
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Take a look at the following document where Steve Freeman a Penn State statistician explains the "exit poll paradox":
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In short, in all the swing states of 2004 election, the tallied vote contradicted the exit polls in favor of Bush, each such discrepancy by itself is highly unusual, especially if the exit vote favors the challenger (usually the counts amplify the exit poll trend pointing to chellenger). The estimated odds against such a discrepancy occurring at random are about one in billion. I would think that any court in the country would consider this "beyond reasonable doubt" but somehow it escapes Gumbel.
It doesn't surprise Bush, who made a habit of scoring on one in billion odds throughout his life: born hyper-rich, getting into Texas Air National Guard (and thus skipping the chance to score some glory in Viet Nam) despite being butt naked last on the list of eligible candidates, snorting his way through Yale, winning gubernatorial campaigns without being able to put together a sentient thought in English (or any other language). So why not another one-in-billion shot at being the Ruler Of Universe (or at least Planet Of The Apes)?

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Organization of the fourth Reich
Posted by: Slowburn on Feb 18, 2006 10:14 AM   
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The leaders of the ruling party created a large number of organizations for the purpose of helping them stay in power.
They rearmed and strengthened the military, set up an extensive
state security apparatus and created their own personal party army, the W SS. ( No not the Waffen SS ) Dubya's secret service dummy.
Through staffing of most government positions with NeoCons by 2005 the religious fundamentalists and the corporate conservative party have become virtually one in same. By 2006 Through the policy of Big lie propaganda, intimidation, and fundamentalist elitism, local and state conservatives have abdicated their legislative power and answered administratively to the religious fundamentalist backed corporate plutocracy.
Thanks for clearing that up WIKI.

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Electoral Delusions
Posted by: malcolmartin on Feb 18, 2006 7:00 PM   
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No deluding the American people that there will be any more real elections in this country. The mass media and electoral machinery and both major political parties are now fully under the control of those in power. Elections that matter are a quaint feature of America’s past. As long as George Bush remains a useful idiot of the ruling clique his approval rating could drop to zero and he will sleep in the White House. At the same time Bush is expendable in the blink of an eye if it suits his masters. He will be replaced by another everyman, a new actor, a man better able to read the script and parrot the talking points. The men in charge of this country will only release their grip on us when their hearts are stopped or they are confined to prisons by a powerful force capable of overcoming their hired killers.

We must enlist people and accept the leadership of people in a home grown insurgency without regard to race or nationality. Unbeknownst to most oppressed white workers in this country, unity with his/her African-American, Hispanic and immigrant counterparts is the only hope of salvation. Racism and xenophobia and every other tactic of division have been the lifeblood of capitalism with good reason. Our unity is the only potentially deadly threat to this system. White supremacy, Black-nationalism, religious fundamentalism, sexism, homophobia, and all the crackpot schemes and nihilistic cults of the bourgeoisie, like al-Qaeda, are dead ends for all of us.

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» RE: lectoral Delusions Posted by: Lincoln fan
the truth
Posted by: mom'z the word on Feb 19, 2006 11:57 AM   
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Until the Supreme court recognizes our right to vote as citizens of the United States , or for that matter any of our rights as U.S. citizens which it has managed to ignore since Barron v Baltimore, we are screwed. Currently because of Supreme court rulings citizens are subject to State election codes, without federal guarentees and protections. A federal guarentee would be something like 'every vote counts'.

The Supreme Court has ruled the Voter Rights Act of 1964, 'every vote counts' does not apply to citizens living within a State. Who does not live in a State in the United States? That means according to the Supreme court we are all citizens of the State we live in and subject to State rules and State Constitutions. The U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights does not apply to any person living within a State in the United States. This may come as a surprise but unless your State Constitution has a Bill of Rights according to the Supreme Court you have no rights, guarentees, or protections.

According to California election codes the Secretary of State does not have to count every vote, only the ones the Secretary decides he wants counted. When the State was charged with throwing out votes in the 2002 Congressional election, the 3rd district Federal court said, States can do that because the Voter Rights Act of 1964 does not apply to California residents, only California Election Codes apply to California residents. No person is a citizen of the United States. According to the Supreme court every person is a citizen of a State. No federal rights or guarentees apply to citizens of a State.

Therefore, if California, Ohio, Florida or any state has election codes that are contrary to the Federal law, when 'count every vote' means 'count only certain votes' at the state level, the United States Supreme court has ruled that the States' Code apply first and foremost before the United States Constitution or Federal Laws.

Until and when the United States Supreme court recognizes each individual as a single sovereignity with all the rights and guarentees, recognizes a person is sole owner and in full possession of their individual rights as a matter of fact, we are nothing more than peons, third class citizens, a citizenry without a country, we are non-entities. Without full citizenship the election process is really nothing more than a symbolic gesture.

If a political party, President-elect, or state wants to 'change' votes, to their satisfaction, the Supreme Court is saying, Go for it. Under the present Supreme court rulings people do not count and neither do their votes.

This poses a real problem for Democracy. When the determining factor, the courts, are morally and politically corrupt there is nothing left of a democracy to determine truth, and insure justice. Democracy without a moral and ethical commitment to equality and justice is morally and ethically corrupt. A corrupted democracy is a tyranny. The Supreme Court corrupted our democractic process by ruling people are subjects and exist only by permission that is denied or granted by a state power.

This is diametrically opposed to everything a democracy stands for. Is anyone suprised that we are not a functional democracy given the supreme courts politically motivated intrepetations of rights?

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Don't vote! Yes, DON'T VOTE!
Posted by: greentime on Feb 20, 2006 7:45 AM   
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If we don't have someone to vote FOR in any of these upcoming elections... if the choices are only between bad and worse... I suggest not voting.

It's easier than you think.

And if there is not a reliable voting machine, one where votes can be verified and recounted and proven, all the more reason not to vote!

Take all the energy you would have spent complaining about the ones that weren't worth voting for and put that energy into forming an alternative party, work for someone you WOULD vote for, give them your support and make the changes that you can make, wherever they can be made.

Stop feeding the beast that oppresses you! Of the two parties, choose ONLY the individual candidates that really DO stand for what you believe. Take away the "political capital" of those that don't and spend your time, energy, LIFE where it will yield the best results! The capital is yours to spend. Our lives and the health of the planet that sustains us is what matters, not these fear based monsters we are served up in the mouthpeice press spin sessions!

Those who would steal our votes, our courts, and our social fabric only to make it serve the few excessively rich are not worth our support whatsoever! If the Dems and Repubs are interchageable then change what YOU do with your vote, time, energy, will, money, life etc.

One change equals one change. Don't forget how many of us there are! The changes add up fast!
This is how cultures change, one+one+one+one+one+one+one+one+one+one+one+
and we all know this change has to be made.

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