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Chavez's Alleged Anti-Semitism

By Evan Derkacz, AlterNet. Posted March 15, 2006.


Right-wing pundits and conservative hawks are calling Hugo Chavez an anti-Semite. Venezuela's Jewish community says they don't know bupkus.
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Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has likened him to Hitler and Pat Robertson has called for his assassination -- twice now. Sean Hannity, the moderate of the group, conceded that while Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez is, "not up to the level of Hitler," he is, nevertheless, "a threat."

Adding to this downright loony rhetoric from the right wing is the flap over Hugo Chavez's alleged anti-Semitic remarks.

During his Christmas Eve address to the nation, Chavez touched off a controversy when he said (in translation):

"The world is for all of us, then, but it so happens that a minority, the descendants of the same ones that crucified Christ, the descendants of the same ones that kicked Bolivar out of here and also crucified him in their own way over there in Santa Marta, in Colombia -- a minority has taken possession of all the wealth of the world, a minority has taken ownership of all of the gold of the planet, of the silver, of the minerals, the waters, the good lands, oil, of the wealth, and have concentrated the wealth in a few hands: Less than 10 percent of the population of the world owns more than half of the wealth of the world and … more than the population of the planet is poor, and each day there are more poor people in the whole world."

A few days after the speech, on Dec. 30, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency ran a "breaking news" item, cherry-picking "'the descendants of those who crucified Christ' own the riches of the world" from the address.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center, named for the famous Austrian Jewish Nazi hunter, hopped on board less than a week later. The Center echoed the anti-Semitism charge, demanding an apology and urging other Latin American states to "freeze the process of incorporation of Venezuela" into Mercosur, a South American trade agreement.

A week after that, the charge was scooped up by right-wing media outlets like the Weekly Standard and the Wall Street Journal, both of which took the opportunity to tar and feather the democratically elected leader and to associate his left-leaning policies with his alleged anti-Semitism.

Witness the teaser to Aaron Mannes' Weekly Standard piece for this guilt-by-association rap: "Hugo Chavez veers into anti-Semitism while explaining how to create a workers' paradise."

Calling Chavez a "tyrant," the Wall Street Journal's Mary Anastasia O'Grady wrote that Chavez "has made it clear that it backs Iran's nuclear ambitions and embraces the mullahs' hateful anti-Semitism."

Pundits and rabbis

Even before Chavez's Christmas remarks, the American-born "Grand Rabbi" of Sao Paulo, Henri Sobel, who has enough influence to pull on Bush's ear, told the president about the "'precarious' situation of the Jews in Venezuela, accusing Hugo Chavez of being an 'anti-Semite'," according to the Agence France-Presse. He later conceded to AFP that "even though there is no discrimination in Venezuela officially, Hugo Chavez does everything he can to spread hatred against the minorities."

Venezuela's Jewish community doesn't agree. The Confederation of Jewish Associations of Venezuela (CAIV) responded to the Wiesenthal accusations with a letter from CAIV president Fred Pressner that said, "You have acted on your own, without consulting us, on issues that you don't know or understand," and that, "We believe the president was not talking about Jews and that the Jewish world must learn to work together …"

This was not the first Chavez criticism to come from the Wiesenthal Center. In the spring of 2005, the Center demanded an apology from Chavez for attempting to "banalize the Holocaust" by comparing former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar to Hitler. This is, of course, a ridiculous comparison, but there were no similar demands for apologies from Rick Santorum, Robert Byrd, Martha Stewart, Donald Trump, John Glenn or any other of the dozens of high-profile Hitler comparers from the past couple of years.


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mud slingers
Posted by: rsaxto on Mar 15, 2006 3:46 AM   
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The Bushies and their backers are the world's most prolific mud slingers against anyone like Hugo Chavez who has great popular support and who also opposes major Bush/Cheney policies. We should know by now not to believe anything such congenital and compulsive mud slingers say about their opponents.

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just a thought...
Posted by: Spot on Mar 15, 2006 4:13 AM   
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perhaps chavez wasn't targeting jews with his comment, but the european descendants of roman power?

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» RE: just a thought... Posted by: TDyl
» RE: just a thought... Posted by: medstudgeek
» I assumed he meant Posted by: Allison
» Still, he should have known better. Posted by: amalgamatedspats
» RE: just a thought... Posted by: Jimbo
» RE: just a thought... Posted by: Lizmv
Those damn Jews!
Posted by: oldsmobile on Mar 15, 2006 4:56 AM   
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The jews threw killed Simon Bolivar too?!

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» RE: Those damn Jews! Posted by: oldsmobile
THE THREAT TO $$$$$$$$$$
Posted by: AlienSlave on Mar 15, 2006 5:47 AM   
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This right here is the threat to the USA.

The rising cost of oil has afforded Venezuela the opportunity to be, as Marc Weisbrot put it recently in the L.A. Times, "the lender of last resort." Venezuela loaned Argentina $2.4 billion, enabling it to kick out the IMF; it also purchased bonds from Equador and provides low-cost financing for oil to Caribbean nations.

Iraq, Iran, Venezuela and a few Scandinavian countries and Now Nigerian nationals thinking about Leaving the oil for dollars exchange. The $2.4 billion Argentina paid off was US treasury bonds. The world is afloat in US bonds those bonds are not backed up by gold, or any other hard value. They are backed up by the hope Joe six pack will stay in debt and continue to live off credit cards. As long as the paper flow continues and all countries hold those treasury bonds and oil can only be purchased with dollars there is no threat to the American dream. Take a hard long look at the men in each of the countries listed here. Every one of them where elected into office by honest public vote. They are all nationals of their countries. The democratic process that put them into power was monitored and declared to be legal and honest. Any country that can put out more consumers on the world stage than the USA their currency wins.
AlienSlave

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US reaching for excuses.
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Mar 15, 2006 6:15 AM   
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Venezuela is an economic threat to US power because it can stand on it's own. It bailed out Argentina from it's G7 bank debt and has joined the South American trade block which doesn't need the US to make policy. Brazil, Argentina and Chile have become large exporters of agricultural products that the US has to subsidize to the tune of nearly $100B while the US is dependent on Venezuelan oil which is now tied to the Euro. Petrol dollars may even end up trading in Hong Kong or Shanghai as the US dollar is to weak to continue as the standard for international trade. Venezuela also has the largest natural gas reserves in the world.

Americans have nothing to fear, just Wall Street elites, government power mongers and large banks. Their power is slipping away. The Monroe doctrine is almost dead as it should be. The top of American power is trying to fill the us with BS. For the last 60 years, their hasn't been a coup that hasn't been financed or controlled by the NSA, CIA, US government leaders, death squads (School of the Americas)...

The best thing that could happen for the American people is if the US policy makers lost their "control" and the hemisphere was made up of sovereign nations that had to negotiate on an even playing field. These countries are legitimate democracies that are not filled with US government puppet leaders anymore.

Americans know or should learn what US policy control freaks have done to the to Latin America and the Middle East since the 1950s during which time any country that didn't do as we wanted was slapped with term making appear as a national threat when it was the farthest from the truth.

American policy and the American people have been totally detached for over a century. That is why foreign countries, even those under attack, can love the American people but hate the government. It is time for a change. Most people don't know that it was the US that put the Baathists in power in Iraq and backed Saddam 100% until he didn't want to give away Iraq's oil fields, similar to how the Shaw of Iran was put in power.

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» RE: US reaching for excuses. Posted by: cold2touch
A threat
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Mar 15, 2006 6:35 AM   
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We can't afford to have a democratic populist government in our hemisphere. The idea of "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" is a dangerous one. It could even be exported to the US.

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» RE: A threat Posted by: pacto
» RE: A threat Posted by: tiffanybrown76
Just a question
Posted by: slwhit on Mar 15, 2006 6:40 AM   
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I haven't found a way to ask the author, so I'll ask the community at large -- are there any links to the actual remarks of those who feel this is not anti-Semitism? The article contains many links to critical comments, but I couldn't find links to people saying "No big deal." If no such links exist, why would that be?

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» From the author Posted by: Evan Derkacz
Iran?
Posted by: stinkystanotter on Mar 15, 2006 6:59 AM   
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I'm sure that Chavez' desire for better working relations with Iran will lead to great things for Jews everywhere! All the Iranian Jews love their eternal supreme ayatollah!

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» RE: Iran? Posted by: Llama11
Some people just don't get it. . .
Posted by: redstarwraith on Mar 15, 2006 7:19 AM   
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Liberation Theology. . .yes, well, no one could seriously expect Rumsfeld, Bush, Robertson, et al to know f-all about something like that now could they? Seriously, when I read the Chavez statement, "JEWS" were not the first thing I thought he was referring to. I thought, "Oh, he's referring to empire, the power elite. . .something along those lines. . ." Now I'm absolutely convinced that's what he meant.

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Dangerous Posturing
Posted by: ceti on Mar 15, 2006 7:22 AM   
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This careless throwing around of the charge of anti-semitism risks creating the adverse reaction that it is meant to quell. Not only does it demean real anti-semitism, but this tin-ear sensitivity and dovetailing with imperialist interests actually serves to set Jews further apart and fuel more anti-semitism. When combined with odious right wing politics, it further entrenches a view that the entire Jewish community is part of the elite and jealously guards its privileges by serving the interests of this largely European descent elite against the marginalized majority (in Chavez's case - those of African, Mixed or Indigenous backgrounds). In fact, it is setting Jews to be scapegoats all over again and is extremely dangerous.

As such, the Wiesenthal Center and other Likud leaning groups are exacerbating the very problem they are trying to fight -- although for at least some ultra-Zionists, this suits them fine as it further pushes the Jewish community into their open embrace.

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» RE: Dangerous Posturing Posted by: codingguy
More bogus propaganda
Posted by: afrothetics on Mar 15, 2006 7:30 AM   
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President Chavez's comments were, as noted in other comments, directed at the descendants of Constantinian Christians and army ants who are still on crusade against indigenous peoples and humanity in general.

For more on this propaganda machine, read Edward Herman's "Uncle Chutzpah and His Willing Executioners on the Dire Iran Threat: With Twelve Principles of War Propaganda in Ongoing Service," which describes a 12-step method of the well-oiled right-wing propaganda machine of which Israel is not only a proxy, but an active player -- keep your eyes on Iran. And, remember, your tax dollars are paying for these 'crimes against humanity.' How much? At this time, incalculable. Read more here.

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How the world works
Posted by: cold2touch on Mar 15, 2006 7:46 AM   
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The US is a bloated Mafia boss who runs a protection racket off neighborhood businesses: barbers, pizza joints, massage parlors and dry cleaners. If an owner gets uppity and starts complaining, the goons (IMF/DoD/World Bank) firebomb his establishment until he shuts up and pays up. By terrorizing its neighborhood, Israel is the big boss' right hand thug and lives well off it. End of story.

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» RE: How the world works Posted by: starvinmarvy
» RE: How the world works Posted by: Andy Lee Parker
» how the left works Posted by: codingguy
» RE: how the left works Posted by: Llama11
» RE: how the left works Posted by: cold2touch
» RE: how the left works Posted by: codingguy
» RE: how the left works Posted by: wiserd
Semite is for both Jews and Arabs
Posted by: xyz2002 on Mar 15, 2006 7:58 AM   
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I checked the dictionary and it says "Semite" is for both Jews and Arabs. Hence we could say that many right wings such as Pat Robertson and Fox News are in fact anti-semetic.

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» hail christopher columbus! Posted by: codingguy
More on this topic
Posted by: stevewilkesuk on Mar 15, 2006 7:59 AM   
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Can be found here - a press release by Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9621

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Why is it ok for our government to support a coup in a foreign country?
Posted by: JessB on Mar 15, 2006 8:12 AM   
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The American people could care less what our government does. The fact that our government routinely meddles to the point of causing coups in foreign sovereign nations, and Americans don't bat an eyelash, and probably do not know anything about it really bothers me. In my opinion a country gets the leaders it deserves and I really believe that in America's case they deserve BushCo if they aren't going to rise up and demand accountability from their government.

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constantinian christians my butt!
Posted by: codingguy on Mar 15, 2006 8:17 AM   
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hey not that i actually believe chavez is an anti-semite, in fact i kinda like him cause he gets up the nose of the Bushies so much, but i don't buy the rationalizations for his remarks here, by the venezuelan jewish community, or anybody else. When you talk about the "descendents of those who killed christ," you're referring to one group only, and that's jews. think about it -- have you ever in your life heard that expression being used to describe anybody other than jews. I strongly doubt it. I believe chavez got rhetorically carried away and then, realizing his error, added the other stuff about bolivar etc. nobody who grew up in a latin american catholic environment could use the "christ-killers" term to describe anybody else.
having said all that, i don't think we need to scream gevalt over it. I judge chavez by his actions more than his words, and his actions are usually ok. he is a bit of a demagogue, though, and this time he got caught. to me, that's the end of the story.

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hail christopher columbus!
Posted by: codingguy on Mar 15, 2006 8:20 AM   
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you discovered america.....

yes, semites refers to arabs, aramaeans, jews, etc. but the term anti-semitic has come to mean anti-jewish. it's just semantics to say otherwise. for arabs, say anti-arab (or anti-muslim, if it's muslims being referred to).

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I'm certainly no Chavez fan, but...
Posted by: brunowe on Mar 15, 2006 8:39 AM   
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...the anti-semitism charge here is bogus. The context, including the Bolivar reference, indicates that he equated the crucifixion as an act of the power-that-be, of a response by challenged authority.

Having said that, I agree with the post that said the clumsiness of how he phrased it didn't help.

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» RE: I'm certainly no Chavez fan, but... Posted by: amalgamatedspats
Anit-God
Posted by: vanquish on Mar 15, 2006 9:53 AM   
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People worldwide are saying that dictators Hugo Chavez, Kim II Sung, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and George W. Bush are very bad men. This is true. However, having spent 35 years on the inside of world politics as an American assassin, I can tell you that although they are very bad men indeed, like pneumonia they can be controlled and even isolated. Their dictatorships are coming to an end, and we will recover from this burst of evil.

It's important to know that theirs is not the evil that's going to destroy the world we love. Their evil deeds are simply self serving; they're after power and money. It's the Christian fundamentalists like Pat Robertson who we must fear. These people mean business and, unlike the aforementioned dictators, the Robertsons of the world operate in the realm of paranoid schizophrenia.

Having been raised in a Catholic school, I'm surprised that good Catholics everywhere haven't called for the assassination of this televangelist parasite, Robertson. I'm glad they haven't because that's not a solution. My years of experience have taught me that if you simply blow their brains out, you've created a martyr, and a copycat will emerge before you can get the first one buried. The very best solution is to bombard the people of the world with information about these parasites and to be there 24/7 to censure them whenever they come out into the light of day. In other words, make their paranoia real. In many cases, these parasites will commit suicide--saving the cost of a bullet and possibly the lives of innocent victims. After Robertson informed the world that he and his followers were anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim and anti-Hindu--in short, anti-God--I informed Robertson that I would do whatever I could to help him should he ever decide to leave earth and return to hell from whence he came.

The people of the world must do something now as the evil parasites like Robertson are growing more powerful each day. I openly solicit the help of all who are able to spread this message in different languages to please do so.

Bob Miller

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» Jesus Dude!!! Posted by: starvinmarvy
» RE: Anit-God Posted by: payattention
Chavez - It was not the Jews
Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon on Mar 15, 2006 9:55 AM   
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I believe that Chavez was speaking about the Bushites and their followers. Not the Jews. Those "born agains" consider themselves uber-christians and hate all that Chavez stands for - alleviating poverty, fair play for its citizens, honest and free elections, etc. As things get worse in this country, Venezuela looks better every day.

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If only the world were so simple...
Posted by: caracaskuhl on Mar 15, 2006 10:19 AM   
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Chavez is God and Chavez is Satan. These are the two most common slants on Chavez I have found in my 5 years living in Venezuela. In Venezuelan and international media I have yet to find a reliable source on Chavez (except, perhaps a recent article in Current History). It is easy for the right to dismiss Chavez as a wannabe Fidel (with tons of capital), and then fail to look at the complexity of the character. As well, the left sees some of the good he has done and dismisses any criticism of Chavez as pro-Neoliberal hogwash.

The truth, of course, lies in the middle. I have seen first hand the good, bad, and ugly things this man has done. Will any journalists step up to the plate and paint the man and his revolution for what they truly are, rather than what that particular journalist wants them to be?

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» RE: If only the world were so simple... Posted by: amalgamatedspats
» As God or Satan Posted by: Lincoln fan
Couragous Chevez!!!!
Posted by: starvinmarvy on Mar 15, 2006 11:25 AM   
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Folks...this may be the one guy...on this whole planet who
has in that little country of Venezuela...the right idea!!!
His people love him.He took control of all the oil wells in his country on "behalf" of his citizens!
But guess who that imediately piss`s off?? Yeah....the USA.
There is that oil field so close...but yet...so far away!!We here
in the US government have got to DIS-CREDIT and overrun
this guy who defys us!! Who does he think he is? We should
make him look like an angry tyrant! Lets figure out a way to
get a government down there that does what we want! By all means we have to discredit him!!Make him look like HITLER!
But guess what folks...he`s got what it takes for the leader of a country. First off all he has the money(oil) and he`s gonna do whats right for his people and people of other countries! Now...isn`t THAT a bad example for the good `ol
USA ..huh? This is a good example... of what a country should be...for its citizens!!!! Personally for me Mr.Chevez....you are the
"model" for which other leaders on this planet...need to follow!!!
Mr.Chevez...God Bless!! and may you and your people be of
good health and prosper!!!

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» RE: Couragous Chevez!!!! Posted by: caracaskuhl
It's pretty obvious he meant the ruling, wealthy elite.
Posted by: gmknobl on Mar 15, 2006 11:51 AM   
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Not any jews or other small, ethnic or religious subsegment of the world's population.

Of course, he is dead right.

But it is still dangerous if you don't try to check that blame into becoming a full communist rebellion ala Russia's. The truest and best course for humanity does not lie with communism NOR with capitalism run amock, as in America and the WTO, but somewhere in between. So, watch the tendancy to go to far towards the "kill the rich and distribute their wealth" and watch the tendancy to go to far towards the "free trade helps everyone" slogan of neoliberals and neoconservatives. Neither works.

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» thank you Posted by: payattention
Viva Chavez
Posted by: yellow on Mar 15, 2006 11:57 AM   
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The Bush Administration is really grasping at straws. Now it seems that the anti-semitism charge will be repeatedly used by the far-right as a political weapon against its many enemies. How long before this cheapens the currency. Perhaps they are killing two birds with one stone! There are no greater anti-semites than those on the Christian Right!

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http://www.world-newspapers.com/
Posted by: AlienSlave on Mar 15, 2006 12:15 PM   
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Go read the local papers of what ever country.
I like this quote in today’s paper of Venezuelanalysis by elected President Chavez
“Jesus was the first socialist, and Judas the first capitalist.” seems this Christian President has chosen a different side of life than the USA's Christian President.
AlienSlave

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Adolf
Posted by: Marvin_KC on Mar 15, 2006 12:50 PM   
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I agree with these comments you are making. Chavez is not anti-semetic as I was! Read the Jewish loving comments by Jews in Venezuela.

Hugo is lambasting imperialistic Europeans, and their extension to the United States of Amnesia.

Viva Hugo Chavez. Viva Venezuela, y viva el Bolivarian Revolution!

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Chávez, The Heretic
Posted by: FedUp on Mar 15, 2006 1:22 PM   
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It's in the interests of the U.S. and transnationals to burn Hugo Chávez at the stake of popular opinion. In the past (Joan of Arc comes to mind) when all else failed, people were accused of witchcraft and sodomy, a guaranteed guilty verdict ensued.
This isn't about Chávez doing some sabre-rattling, but about corporate America and its international cronies losing their stranglehold on their continent-wide fiefdom. It's made them stinking rich, all at the cost of human life, and to mass emmigration from nations that should be doing far better in every respect than they currently are.
In the past, there was the odd politico that strayed from the U.S. script, and was summarily offed. Now, there is a potential for nine Latin American nations to make a long over-due change to the status quo that has kept them down for far too long.
That's why he's an "anti-Semite".
Economists, decades ago, predicted an awakening of a sleeping giant in Latin America. That era is nigh.

http://www.argenpress.info/nota.asp?num=028669

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» RE: Chávez, The Heretic Posted by: codingguy
» RE: Chávez, The Heretic Posted by: FedUp
» RE: Chávez, The Heretic Posted by: starvinmarvy
» RE: Chávez, The Heretic Posted by: FedUp
clarification on Malkin
Posted by: susanh on Mar 15, 2006 4:17 PM   
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The article says:

Of Malkin's book defending the Japanese internment camps, they write: "Malkin makes a compelling case for the Patriot Act and profiling as legitimate tools in the current war against terror."

I say:

Remember, they were not "Japanese internment camps." What would those have to do with the Patriot Act? The unconstitutional phenomena being championed by Malkin were American concentration camps in which U.S.-born Japanese American citizens and their long-time Japanese resident parents were herded, without charges, on an indefinite basis.

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Hugo!!
Posted by: starvinmarvy on Mar 15, 2006 6:03 PM   
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Hugo??? You read`n this?? We all agree "You The Man"!!!!
....(mind if we all converge on Isla Margarita to support ya..
and well....have a good time while we`re at it??) .....Hey folks
this may actually be a great opportunity to UNITE in a very
very nice(paradise) enviroment! Someone pick a week we can all agree too!!! A great opportunity for all!!! See ya there!!

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martyr race
Posted by: Gregor on Mar 15, 2006 6:09 PM   
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As usual they want to pull the anti-semite card. But since I am Jewish and heard this Chavez bashing and work with a lot of people from Venezuela, it sure was a motivation for me to investigate this remark. And I always liked Hugo Chavez. So I did my research and really wasn't getting the "anti-semite" message as much as I got the anti-semite message from say Mel Gibson? My brother was beat up for being Jewish, (we grew up in small town America) and my sister chased home by a bunch of Jew haters...So take the anti-semitism to heart when people hysterically mention it...But I want Hugo Chavez to succeed because he is trying to make a government that isn't governed by our policies...Noam Chomsky had it right when he said the US destroyed the government in Venzuela under the Reagan administration. He said he was wondering if it could ever recover. We slaughtered hundreds of thousands Venzuelans trying to gain a coup there. We have put despots in power in Venzuela and Argentina....I hope they can survive our intervention. So anti-semitism? When doesn't it ever happen? I think our government is more anti-semitic than Hugo Chavez.

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» RE: martyr race Posted by: FedUp
I'm not relying on government propoganda to tell the truth, so
Posted by: Deborah on Mar 15, 2006 9:11 PM   
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Can anyone direct me to a website that publishes the whole speeches (in English) of President Chavez?

I want to read for myself what this great man has to say and not the lies that passes for news nowadays in the corporation media.

Thanks!
Deborah

"The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology." by Michael Parenti political scientist, author
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“If we let people see that kind of thing, there would never again be any war.” Pentagon official explaining why the U.S. military censored graphic footage from the Gulf War.

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wake up world!!
Posted by: payattention on Mar 15, 2006 9:14 PM   
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c'mon. nobody can guess what hes talking about? i could immediately. hes not talking about jews. hes talking about all these crazy secret societies that everybody writes off as mere "conspiracy theories" and their plans for the future. why do you think they are attacking him for it? do some research and find me one member of the government (that has not opposed bush) that is not involved with a secret society. fremasons, skull and bones, fop, cfr...cmon. these are the people who hold the wealth, for crying out loud, they ARE the world bank, they ARE the oil companies. no matter how crazy their ideas are, it doesnt mean they dont exist. they thrive on your disbelief. that is who he is speaking of. they want him. of course they do, he wants to keep his oil in his country! (among many other things) and it was them who killed christ! no matter whether youre actually talking the crucifiction, or the idea of believing in him. duh. almost every president was a member of a secret society! oh, im sorry, is it normal to be part of a group of people who are extremely secretive about everything? who want to have a secret society? about as normal as it is for me to be a "secret" mother. they just got pissed because their whiny asses have their stupid plan to take over the world, but mommy, the big mean guy is standing in my way! pretty much everything else is already set. what the hell is this a cartoon? evildoers taking over the world so they can use all of us sheep to their advantage. ha! a holocaust is more likely to happen in america than anywhere else and we're worried about chavez?! oh shit, i forgot, we dont have any rights left, i shouldnt be saying this, they're gonna trace this back to me and stuff me in a trunk for this one!

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Ecuador is Next
Posted by: FedUp on Mar 15, 2006 9:47 PM   
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Scurry over to the BBC web-site for the latest about the "resignation" of Alfredo Castillo, Ecuador's interior minister, who was apparently in colusion with foreign interests for the nation's resources.
OK everyone, send Ecuador good vibes! Perhaps they'll see their way to a new and improved way of life, free from corporate American slavery.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4811342.stm = Link

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What's in a name?
Posted by: Intrepidun on Mar 16, 2006 5:32 PM   
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Unfortunately, the fact remains that the way the translation is worded--the specific reference, unqualified, to those who "killed Christ" has really no other object other than the jewish people. I don't get the idea that Chavez is so terribly sophistocated nor that he is speaking in more generic terms so as to blunt the effect of his statement.

Why is it that no one is asking: 1) what was the original statement and 2) what does Chavez say about it?

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» RE: What's in a name? Posted by: FedUp
» RE: What's in a name? Posted by: AlienSlave
I know them well enough myself that
Posted by: ill commandante on Mar 18, 2006 10:11 AM   
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I can't imagine Chavez would side against the enemies of The Shell Nazis.

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WOW!
Posted by: FedUp on Mar 20, 2006 8:18 PM   
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You must really suck as president of the U.S. when even the New York Times throws good ink out about your arch rival in Latin America!
read this!

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Was it a responsible statement? part 1
Posted by: sydney2006 on Apr 1, 2006 12:14 AM   
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Was Chavez' statement anti-semitic or not? I cannot guess what he intended to say. A lot of ink has been spilled trying to explain, justify, and put in context his statement. I do not buy it. When you have in one breath "the descendants of those who crucified Christ" and "they took possession of the riches of the world" you have the right to ask some questions about what is going on here.

The FAIR piece (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2805) is full of apologies and explanations, none more ridiculous and frankly embarrassing than the one offered by Rabbi Waskow:

As Waskow further pointed out, in the Gospel accounts, "it was the Roman Empire, and Roman soldiers, who crucified Jesus." While it's true that anti-Semites often accuse Jews of killing Jesus, it's not fair to assert that anyone who refers to the crucifixion of Jesus is attacking the Jewish people.

What's not fair? I am sorry, but Rabbi Waskow must have been asleep in his Jewish History class.

But why is it that all the apologies and explanations do not come coupled with this simple fact: Whatever Chavez meant, anti-Semitic or not, he should have been more careful with his language. His statement was not a responsible statement for a head of state, even less so for a head of state who happens to be a highly charismatic figure. When Chavez speaks, people listen. And, no, not all the listeners have the benefit of all the academic analysis I have seen in the US trying to explain what ever Chavez may have meant.

The President made a mistake, and as far as I can tell, he did not offer any apologies.

In Venezuela this issue did not settle easily. Of course, so many in the US were happy-go-lucky quoting the statement from CAIV (the coalition of Jewish organizations in Venezuela affirming that Chavez was not anti-semitic), but very few bothered to check further.

In fact, there was lively dissent in Venezuela. This was reflected online, in the opinion pages of daily newspapers, and certainly in conversations in the Jewish community.

Here you have a partial list:

"Paulina Gamus se pronuncia y repudia la indignidad de algunos dirigentes comunitarios judíos " Jan 13, 2006
http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=3630

"Chávez, La Hojilla y los judíos", El Nacional, Jan 14, 2006

"Adhesiones a la posición de Paulina Gamus Gallegos de Cohén " Jan 14, 2006
http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=3632

"Sobre el Manifiesto contra el antisemitismo escribe Ana Tettner" Jan 19, 2006
http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=3657

"Eleonora Bruzual: Prefiero decir Le Jaim" El Universal, Jan 20, 2006

Remitido contra las declaraciones antisemitas del Presidente de Venezuela, Jan 30, 2006
(a full-page open letter ad in El Nacional daily, with over 300 endorsers)

Comunidad judía manifestó a Chávez preocupación por mensajes antisemitas, El Nacional, Jan 31, 2006

Comunidad judía presentó pruebas a Chávez; Denuncian antisemitismo en medios oficiles, El Universal, Jan 31, 2006

"Judíos venezolanos: ¿en la mirilla de Chávez?" Feb 2, 2006
http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=3740

continues in part 2

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profiling, Japanese interment camps, and Likud
Posted by: movin on Apr 5, 2006 11:41 AM   
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i am outraged to read this paragraph and learn that Likud and the Weisenthal Center seem to support racial profiling -- knowing that the internment of Japanese-Americans was not unlike Europe's internment of Jews, Poles, Gypsies, and Homosexuals.

my partner is Japanese-American. both of his parents, and all of their family, were held prisoner by the US government. most families lost their farms, businesses, and trust in the community around them. this happened so RECENTLY, and is (probably) happening again to many Muslim-Americans today. this is one more reason that i am ashamed of my government.

"Back in September 2004, just prior to Bush's reelection, the Center's Abraham Cooper and Harold Brackman published an op-ed in the Sacramento Bee that was praised by ultraconservative pundit Michelle Malkin for backing Bush's controversial post-9/11 security measures. Of Malkin's book defending the Japanese internment camps, they write: "Malkin makes a compelling case for the Patriot Act and profiling as legitimate tools in the current war against terror." With deep ties to Israel's right-wing Likud party, the Center supports the president, who in turn supports the right-wing Israeli perspective."

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