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Chavez's Alleged Anti-Semitism
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Adding to this downright loony rhetoric from the right wing is the flap over Hugo Chavez's alleged anti-Semitic remarks.
During his Christmas Eve address to the nation, Chavez touched off a controversy when he said (in translation):
"The world is for all of us, then, but it so happens that a minority, the descendants of the same ones that crucified Christ, the descendants of the same ones that kicked Bolivar out of here and also crucified him in their own way over there in Santa Marta, in Colombia -- a minority has taken possession of all the wealth of the world, a minority has taken ownership of all of the gold of the planet, of the silver, of the minerals, the waters, the good lands, oil, of the wealth, and have concentrated the wealth in a few hands: Less than 10 percent of the population of the world owns more than half of the wealth of the world and … more than the population of the planet is poor, and each day there are more poor people in the whole world."A few days after the speech, on Dec. 30, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency ran a "breaking news" item, cherry-picking "'the descendants of those who crucified Christ' own the riches of the world" from the address.
The Simon Wiesenthal Center, named for the famous Austrian Jewish Nazi hunter, hopped on board less than a week later. The Center echoed the anti-Semitism charge, demanding an apology and urging other Latin American states to "freeze the process of incorporation of Venezuela" into Mercosur, a South American trade agreement.
A week after that, the charge was scooped up by right-wing media outlets like the Weekly Standard and the Wall Street Journal, both of which took the opportunity to tar and feather the democratically elected leader and to associate his left-leaning policies with his alleged anti-Semitism.
Witness the teaser to Aaron Mannes' Weekly Standard piece for this guilt-by-association rap: "Hugo Chavez veers into anti-Semitism while explaining how to create a workers' paradise."
Calling Chavez a "tyrant," the Wall Street Journal's Mary Anastasia O'Grady wrote that Chavez "has made it clear that it backs Iran's nuclear ambitions and embraces the mullahs' hateful anti-Semitism."
Pundits and rabbis
Even before Chavez's Christmas remarks, the American-born "Grand Rabbi" of Sao Paulo, Henri Sobel, who has enough influence to pull on Bush's ear, told the president about the "'precarious' situation of the Jews in Venezuela, accusing Hugo Chavez of being an 'anti-Semite'," according to the Agence France-Presse. He later conceded to AFP that "even though there is no discrimination in Venezuela officially, Hugo Chavez does everything he can to spread hatred against the minorities."
Venezuela's Jewish community doesn't agree. The Confederation of Jewish Associations of Venezuela (CAIV) responded to the Wiesenthal accusations with a letter from CAIV president Fred Pressner that said, "You have acted on your own, without consulting us, on issues that you don't know or understand," and that, "We believe the president was not talking about Jews and that the Jewish world must learn to work together …"
This was not the first Chavez criticism to come from the Wiesenthal Center. In the spring of 2005, the Center demanded an apology from Chavez for attempting to "banalize the Holocaust" by comparing former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar to Hitler. This is, of course, a ridiculous comparison, but there were no similar demands for apologies from Rick Santorum, Robert Byrd, Martha Stewart, Donald Trump, John Glenn or any other of the dozens of high-profile Hitler comparers from the past couple of years.
In its 29-year history, the Center, while establishing powerful allies everywhere, has often been at odds with much of the world's Jewish community. Called out by Norman Finklestein in his controversial work, "The Holocaust Industry," the Center has a reputation among Jewish groups for exacerbating and exploiting Jewish existential fears.
Canadian backer Samuel Belzberg told the Los Angeles Times Magazine in 1990: "It's a sad fact that Israel and Jewish education and all the other familiar buzzwords no longer serve to rally Jews behind the community. The Holocaust, though, works every time."
There's even an old saying among the more cynical elements of the Jewish community: "There's no business like Shoah business. [Shoah is the Hebrew term for the Holocaust]."
Fortunately, most of the American Jewish community is not on board this train. Bogus charges of anti-Semitism are extremely dangerous for Jews the world over as they dull the edge of the real thing. The American Jewish Congress' David Twersky commented, "I don't think we should raise the flag of anti-Semitism when it doesn't belong."
The Wiesenthal Center's charges may also, at least in part, be politically motivated. In addition to its considerable connections to D.C. politics (having met with every president since Carter), the group provided a rare Jewish imprimatur for the war on Iraq.
Back in September 2004, just prior to Bush's reelection, the Center's Abraham Cooper and Harold Brackman published an op-ed in the Sacramento Bee that was praised by ultraconservative pundit Michelle Malkin for backing Bush's controversial post-9/11 security measures. Of Malkin's book defending the Japanese internment camps, they write: "Malkin makes a compelling case for the Patriot Act and profiling as legitimate tools in the current war against terror." With deep ties to Israel's right-wing Likud party, the Center supports the president, who in turn supports the right-wing Israeli perspective.
The mother of all cynicism
On the face of it, there is much in Chavez's comments to be wary of. The charge of deicide (that the Jews killed Christ) is at the heart of historical anti-Semitism. The charge remained in the liturgy of the Catholic Church until relatively recently, when the Vatican II reforms took effect.
Another age-old canard, that the world's riches are owned by the Jews, most likely stems from the ironic confluence of proscriptions in Christian cultures that prevented Christians from lending money and Jews from doing almost anything but. Link the two charges, as Chavez appears to have done, and you get rhetoric that's ripe for rebuke.
Nobody knows what's in Hugo Chavez's heart, yet with closer examination of his statement, the charges of anti-Semitism begin to weaken. Chavez didn't simply claim that the world's riches were in the hands of the descendants of Christ-killers, but that they were "the same ones that kicked Bolivar out of here."
As Rabbi Arthur Waskow pointed out, "I know of no one who accuses the Jews of fighting against Bolivar."
Venezuelan Jewish groups say the Center's claims take Chavez's remarks out of the context of Venezuelan culture. One of the prevailing strains of Catholicism in Latin America, of which Chavez is an exponent, is liberation theology. That belief system, seldom if ever linked to anti-Semitism, holds that the spiritual heirs of those who killed Christ (the Christ consciousness, not necessarily the man) are responsible for the world's injustices.
It's also worth pointing out that both the American Jewish Committee and the American Jewish Congress agree with CAIV's assertion that the remarks are not anti-Semitic. Even the spokesperson for the Israeli embassy in Caracas refused to comment, noting that this is an internal affair -- a judicious way of disagreeing with the powerful Wiesenthal Center.
But the right-wing opinion machine has latched on to this opening like a wino to a bottle of ripple. Ignoring the U.S. State Department's characterization of Venezuela as "[A] historically open society without significant anti-Semitism," the anti-Chavez right wing has taken to lumping any and every tangentially related episode and event onto the pile in an effort to make the charge stick.
The two most common facts cited to bolster the charge are the raid of a Jewish school and Chavez's meeting with Iran's President Ahmadinejad. In the former case, the decision appears to have been an isolated incident carried out by a local authority without orders from the president. As for the latter, it's important to recall that the two nations didn't just meet in a bar last weekend -- they've been fellow members of OPEC for nearly 50 years now. In addition, if dealing with terrorism-supporting or anti-Semitic, anti-Democratic regimes equals political illegitimacy then many of the world's leaders are on thin ice.
Tradeoffs
So why would the Simon Wiesenthal Center and its fellow travelers want to bolster criticism of Hugo Chavez?
In a word: trade. Chavez has been a vocal critic of the FTAA, an agreement designed to benefit transnational corporations whose increased wealth will, the theory goes, "trickle down" and benefit the impoverished. In response Chavez introduced a competing trade agreement, called ALBA, which, according to Teresa Arreaza, "advocates a socially oriented trade block rather than one strictly based on the logic of deregulated profit maximization. ALBA appeals to the egalitarian principles of justice and equality that are innate in human beings, the well-being of the most dispossessed sectors of society, and a reinvigorated sense of solidarity toward the underdeveloped countries of the Western Hemisphere."
It should be obvious why a trade agreement that emphasizes solidarity with poor countries over building the wealth of corporations would be threatening to Bush and his financial backers.
The rising cost of oil has afforded Venezuela the opportunity to be, as Marc Weisbrot put it recently in the L.A. Times, "the lender of last resort." Venezuela loaned Argentina $2.4 billion, enabling it to kick out the IMF; it also purchased bonds from Equador and provides low-cost financing for oil to Caribbean nations.
By rejecting the FTAA and its principles, Venezuela has dealt a potentially lethal blow to the concept and mechanics of corporate-centric "free trade" agreements. That's a lot of arepas on the line for Bush and his financial backers.
Venezuela's recent acceptance into Mercosaur, described by Noam Chomsky as "an alternative to the so-called Free Trade Agreement of the Americas, backed by the United States," provided still more evidence of the popularity of the Venezuelan trade model and of Venezuela's influence in the region.
Oiling the machine
Then there's oil. Venezuela accounts for roughly 15 percent of all the oil imported into the United States. As Chavez has successfully renegotiated contracts with foreign oil companies, he's not only consolidated still more power and wealth but thrown a wrench into the works of the neocons' best laid plans for softcore world domination, as well as set a precedent for dismissal of U.S. authority. For Hugo Chavez's chronic refusal to toe the Bush administration line, the United States supported an ultimately unsuccessful military coup in 2002.
Into this potent political stew stepped the Wiesenthal Center, all too eager to see the anti-Semitism bogeyman in every corner of the globe. At the bottom of the Center's initial press release on the topic was this curious passage: "The Center will call on governments of Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay, as well as on the Presidency of Mercosaur (South American Common Market), to freeze the process of incorporation of Venezuela to this bloc until Chavez makes a public apology for his anti-Semitic statements."
It could be coincidence, but to see this organization targeting international agreements totally unrelated to Chavez's alleged anti-Semitism raises doubts about the purity of the Wiesenthal Center's motives. Donald Rumsfeld and Pat Robertson, two figures who can be counted on to spout the Bush line, have their anti-Chavez rhetoric coiled and ready when the president needs a surrogate voice. It looks suspiciously like the Wiesenthal Center is doing the same by crying wolf.
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Posted by: AlienSlave on Mar 15, 2006 5:47 AM
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The rising cost of oil has afforded Venezuela the opportunity to be, as Marc Weisbrot put it recently in the L.A. Times, "the lender of last resort." Venezuela loaned Argentina $2.4 billion, enabling it to kick out the IMF; it also purchased bonds from Equador and provides low-cost financing for oil to Caribbean nations.
Iraq, Iran, Venezuela and a few Scandinavian countries and Now Nigerian nationals thinking about Leaving the oil for dollars exchange. The $2.4 billion Argentina paid off was US treasury bonds. The world is afloat in US bonds those bonds are not backed up by gold, or any other hard value. They are backed up by the hope Joe six pack will stay in debt and continue to live off credit cards. As long as the paper flow continues and all countries hold those treasury bonds and oil can only be purchased with dollars there is no threat to the American dream. Take a hard long look at the men in each of the countries listed here. Every one of them where elected into office by honest public vote. They are all nationals of their countries. The democratic process that put them into power was monitored and declared to be legal and honest. Any country that can put out more consumers on the world stage than the USA their currency wins.
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Posted by: jreinhart1 on Mar 15, 2006 6:15 AM
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Americans have nothing to fear, just Wall Street elites, government power mongers and large banks. Their power is slipping away. The Monroe doctrine is almost dead as it should be. The top of American power is trying to fill the us with BS. For the last 60 years, their hasn't been a coup that hasn't been financed or controlled by the NSA, CIA, US government leaders, death squads (School of the Americas)...
The best thing that could happen for the American people is if the US policy makers lost their "control" and the hemisphere was made up of sovereign nations that had to negotiate on an even playing field. These countries are legitimate democracies that are not filled with US government puppet leaders anymore.
Americans know or should learn what US policy control freaks have done to the to Latin America and the Middle East since the 1950s during which time any country that didn't do as we wanted was slapped with term making appear as a national threat when it was the farthest from the truth.
American policy and the American people have been totally detached for over a century. That is why foreign countries, even those under attack, can love the American people but hate the government. It is time for a change. Most people don't know that it was the US that put the Baathists in power in Iraq and backed Saddam 100% until he didn't want to give away Iraq's oil fields, similar to how the Shaw of Iran was put in power.
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As such, the Wiesenthal Center and other Likud leaning groups are exacerbating the very problem they are trying to fight -- although for at least some ultra-Zionists, this suits them fine as it further pushes the Jewish community into their open embrace.
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For more on this propaganda machine, read Edward Herman's "Uncle Chutzpah and His Willing Executioners on the Dire Iran Threat: With Twelve Principles of War Propaganda in Ongoing Service," which describes a 12-step method of the well-oiled right-wing propaganda machine of which Israel is not only a proxy, but an active player -- keep your eyes on Iran. And, remember, your tax dollars are paying for these 'crimes against humanity.' How much? At this time, incalculable. Read more here.
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having said all that, i don't think we need to scream gevalt over it. I judge chavez by his actions more than his words, and his actions are usually ok. he is a bit of a demagogue, though, and this time he got caught. to me, that's the end of the story.
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Posted by: codingguy on Mar 15, 2006 8:20 AM
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yes, semites refers to arabs, aramaeans, jews, etc. but the term anti-semitic has come to mean anti-jewish. it's just semantics to say otherwise. for arabs, say anti-arab (or anti-muslim, if it's muslims being referred to).
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Having said that, I agree with the post that said the clumsiness of how he phrased it didn't help.
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Posted by: vanquish on Mar 15, 2006 9:53 AM
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It's important to know that theirs is not the evil that's going to destroy the world we love. Their evil deeds are simply self serving; they're after power and money. It's the Christian fundamentalists like Pat Robertson who we must fear. These people mean business and, unlike the aforementioned dictators, the Robertsons of the world operate in the realm of paranoid schizophrenia.
Having been raised in a Catholic school, I'm surprised that good Catholics everywhere haven't called for the assassination of this televangelist parasite, Robertson. I'm glad they haven't because that's not a solution. My years of experience have taught me that if you simply blow their brains out, you've created a martyr, and a copycat will emerge before you can get the first one buried. The very best solution is to bombard the people of the world with information about these parasites and to be there 24/7 to censure them whenever they come out into the light of day. In other words, make their paranoia real. In many cases, these parasites will commit suicide--saving the cost of a bullet and possibly the lives of innocent victims. After Robertson informed the world that he and his followers were anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim and anti-Hindu--in short, anti-God--I informed Robertson that I would do whatever I could to help him should he ever decide to leave earth and return to hell from whence he came.
The people of the world must do something now as the evil parasites like Robertson are growing more powerful each day. I openly solicit the help of all who are able to spread this message in different languages to please do so.
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Posted by: caracaskuhl on Mar 15, 2006 10:19 AM
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The truth, of course, lies in the middle. I have seen first hand the good, bad, and ugly things this man has done. Will any journalists step up to the plate and paint the man and his revolution for what they truly are, rather than what that particular journalist wants them to be?
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Posted by: starvinmarvy on Mar 15, 2006 11:25 AM
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has in that little country of Venezuela...the right idea!!!
His people love him.He took control of all the oil wells in his country on "behalf" of his citizens!
But guess who that imediately piss`s off?? Yeah....the USA.
There is that oil field so close...but yet...so far away!!We here
in the US government have got to DIS-CREDIT and overrun
this guy who defys us!! Who does he think he is? We should
make him look like an angry tyrant! Lets figure out a way to
get a government down there that does what we want! By all means we have to discredit him!!Make him look like HITLER!
But guess what folks...he`s got what it takes for the leader of a country. First off all he has the money(oil) and he`s gonna do whats right for his people and people of other countries! Now...isn`t THAT a bad example for the good `ol
USA ..huh? This is a good example... of what a country should be...for its citizens!!!! Personally for me Mr.Chevez....you are the
"model" for which other leaders on this planet...need to follow!!!
Mr.Chevez...God Bless!! and may you and your people be of
good health and prosper!!!
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Posted by: gmknobl on Mar 15, 2006 11:51 AM
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Of course, he is dead right.
But it is still dangerous if you don't try to check that blame into becoming a full communist rebellion ala Russia's. The truest and best course for humanity does not lie with communism NOR with capitalism run amock, as in America and the WTO, but somewhere in between. So, watch the tendancy to go to far towards the "kill the rich and distribute their wealth" and watch the tendancy to go to far towards the "free trade helps everyone" slogan of neoliberals and neoconservatives. Neither works.
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Posted by: AlienSlave on Mar 15, 2006 12:15 PM
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I like this quote in today’s paper of Venezuelanalysis by elected President Chavez
“Jesus was the first socialist, and Judas the first capitalist.” seems this Christian President has chosen a different side of life than the USA's Christian President.
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Posted by: Marvin_KC on Mar 15, 2006 12:50 PM
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Hugo is lambasting imperialistic Europeans, and their extension to the United States of Amnesia.
Viva Hugo Chavez. Viva Venezuela, y viva el Bolivarian Revolution!
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Posted by: FedUp on Mar 15, 2006 1:22 PM
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This isn't about Chávez doing some sabre-rattling, but about corporate America and its international cronies losing their stranglehold on their continent-wide fiefdom. It's made them stinking rich, all at the cost of human life, and to mass emmigration from nations that should be doing far better in every respect than they currently are.
In the past, there was the odd politico that strayed from the U.S. script, and was summarily offed. Now, there is a potential for nine Latin American nations to make a long over-due change to the status quo that has kept them down for far too long.
That's why he's an "anti-Semite".
Economists, decades ago, predicted an awakening of a sleeping giant in Latin America. That era is nigh.
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Of Malkin's book defending the Japanese internment camps, they write: "Malkin makes a compelling case for the Patriot Act and profiling as legitimate tools in the current war against terror."
I say:
Remember, they were not "Japanese internment camps." What would those have to do with the Patriot Act? The unconstitutional phenomena being championed by Malkin were American concentration camps in which U.S.-born Japanese American citizens and their long-time Japanese resident parents were herded, without charges, on an indefinite basis.
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Posted by: starvinmarvy on Mar 15, 2006 6:03 PM
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....(mind if we all converge on Isla Margarita to support ya..
and well....have a good time while we`re at it??) .....Hey folks
this may actually be a great opportunity to UNITE in a very
very nice(paradise) enviroment! Someone pick a week we can all agree too!!! A great opportunity for all!!! See ya there!!
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Posted by: Deborah on Mar 15, 2006 9:11 PM
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I want to read for myself what this great man has to say and not the lies that passes for news nowadays in the corporation media.
Thanks!
Deborah
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OK everyone, send Ecuador good vibes! Perhaps they'll see their way to a new and improved way of life, free from corporate American slavery.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4811342.stm = Link
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Why is it that no one is asking: 1) what was the original statement and 2) what does Chavez say about it?
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read this!
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The FAIR piece (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2805) is full of apologies and explanations, none more ridiculous and frankly embarrassing than the one offered by Rabbi Waskow:
As Waskow further pointed out, in the Gospel accounts, "it was the Roman Empire, and Roman soldiers, who crucified Jesus." While it's true that anti-Semites often accuse Jews of killing Jesus, it's not fair to assert that anyone who refers to the crucifixion of Jesus is attacking the Jewish people.
What's not fair? I am sorry, but Rabbi Waskow must have been asleep in his Jewish History class.
But why is it that all the apologies and explanations do not come coupled with this simple fact: Whatever Chavez meant, anti-Semitic or not, he should have been more careful with his language. His statement was not a responsible statement for a head of state, even less so for a head of state who happens to be a highly charismatic figure. When Chavez speaks, people listen. And, no, not all the listeners have the benefit of all the academic analysis I have seen in the US trying to explain what ever Chavez may have meant.
The President made a mistake, and as far as I can tell, he did not offer any apologies.
In Venezuela this issue did not settle easily. Of course, so many in the US were happy-go-lucky quoting the statement from CAIV (the coalition of Jewish organizations in Venezuela affirming that Chavez was not anti-semitic), but very few bothered to check further.
In fact, there was lively dissent in Venezuela. This was reflected online, in the opinion pages of daily newspapers, and certainly in conversations in the Jewish community.
Here you have a partial list:
"Paulina Gamus se pronuncia y repudia la indignidad de algunos dirigentes comunitarios judíos " Jan 13, 2006
http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=3630
"Chávez, La Hojilla y los judíos", El Nacional, Jan 14, 2006
"Adhesiones a la posición de Paulina Gamus Gallegos de Cohén " Jan 14, 2006
http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=3632
"Sobre el Manifiesto contra el antisemitismo escribe Ana Tettner" Jan 19, 2006
http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=3657
"Eleonora Bruzual: Prefiero decir Le Jaim" El Universal, Jan 20, 2006
Remitido contra las declaraciones antisemitas del Presidente de Venezuela, Jan 30, 2006
(a full-page open letter ad in El Nacional daily, with over 300 endorsers)
Comunidad judía manifestó a Chávez preocupación por mensajes antisemitas, El Nacional, Jan 31, 2006
Comunidad judía presentó pruebas a Chávez; Denuncian antisemitismo en medios oficiles, El Universal, Jan 31, 2006
"Judíos venezolanos: ¿en la mirilla de Chávez?" Feb 2, 2006
http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=3740
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my partner is Japanese-American. both of his parents, and all of their family, were held prisoner by the US government. most families lost their farms, businesses, and trust in the community around them. this happened so RECENTLY, and is (probably) happening again to many Muslim-Americans today. this is one more reason that i am ashamed of my government.
"Back in September 2004, just prior to Bush's reelection, the Center's Abraham Cooper and Harold Brackman published an op-ed in the Sacramento Bee that was praised by ultraconservative pundit Michelle Malkin for backing Bush's controversial post-9/11 security measures. Of Malkin's book defending the Japanese internment camps, they write: "Malkin makes a compelling case for the Patriot Act and profiling as legitimate tools in the current war against terror." With deep ties to Israel's right-wing Likud party, the Center supports the president, who in turn supports the right-wing Israeli perspective."
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The rising cost of oil has afforded Venezuela the opportunity to be, as Marc Weisbrot put it recently in the L.A. Times, "the lender of last resort." Venezuela loaned Argentina $2.4 billion, enabling it to kick out the IMF; it also purchased bonds from Equador and provides low-cost financing for oil to Caribbean nations.
Iraq, Iran, Venezuela and a few Scandinavian countries and Now Nigerian nationals thinking about Leaving the oil for dollars exchange. The $2.4 billion Argentina paid off was US treasury bonds. The world is afloat in US bonds those bonds are not backed up by gold, or any other hard value. They are backed up by the hope Joe six pack will stay in debt and continue to live off credit cards. As long as the paper flow continues and all countries hold those treasury bonds and oil can only be purchased with dollars there is no threat to the American dream. Take a hard long look at the men in each of the countries listed here. Every one of them where elected into office by honest public vote. They are all nationals of their countries. The democratic process that put them into power was monitored and declared to be legal and honest. Any country that can put out more consumers on the world stage than the USA their currency wins.
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Americans have nothing to fear, just Wall Street elites, government power mongers and large banks. Their power is slipping away. The Monroe doctrine is almost dead as it should be. The top of American power is trying to fill the us with BS. For the last 60 years, their hasn't been a coup that hasn't been financed or controlled by the NSA, CIA, US government leaders, death squads (School of the Americas)...
The best thing that could happen for the American people is if the US policy makers lost their "control" and the hemisphere was made up of sovereign nations that had to negotiate on an even playing field. These countries are legitimate democracies that are not filled with US government puppet leaders anymore.
Americans know or should learn what US policy control freaks have done to the to Latin America and the Middle East since the 1950s during which time any country that didn't do as we wanted was slapped with term making appear as a national threat when it was the farthest from the truth.
American policy and the American people have been totally detached for over a century. That is why foreign countries, even those under attack, can love the American people but hate the government. It is time for a change. Most people don't know that it was the US that put the Baathists in power in Iraq and backed Saddam 100% until he didn't want to give away Iraq's oil fields, similar to how the Shaw of Iran was put in power.
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As such, the Wiesenthal Center and other Likud leaning groups are exacerbating the very problem they are trying to fight -- although for at least some ultra-Zionists, this suits them fine as it further pushes the Jewish community into their open embrace.
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For more on this propaganda machine, read Edward Herman's "Uncle Chutzpah and His Willing Executioners on the Dire Iran Threat: With Twelve Principles of War Propaganda in Ongoing Service," which describes a 12-step method of the well-oiled right-wing propaganda machine of which Israel is not only a proxy, but an active player -- keep your eyes on Iran. And, remember, your tax dollars are paying for these 'crimes against humanity.' How much? At this time, incalculable. Read more here.
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having said all that, i don't think we need to scream gevalt over it. I judge chavez by his actions more than his words, and his actions are usually ok. he is a bit of a demagogue, though, and this time he got caught. to me, that's the end of the story.
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yes, semites refers to arabs, aramaeans, jews, etc. but the term anti-semitic has come to mean anti-jewish. it's just semantics to say otherwise. for arabs, say anti-arab (or anti-muslim, if it's muslims being referred to).
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Having said that, I agree with the post that said the clumsiness of how he phrased it didn't help.
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It's important to know that theirs is not the evil that's going to destroy the world we love. Their evil deeds are simply self serving; they're after power and money. It's the Christian fundamentalists like Pat Robertson who we must fear. These people mean business and, unlike the aforementioned dictators, the Robertsons of the world operate in the realm of paranoid schizophrenia.
Having been raised in a Catholic school, I'm surprised that good Catholics everywhere haven't called for the assassination of this televangelist parasite, Robertson. I'm glad they haven't because that's not a solution. My years of experience have taught me that if you simply blow their brains out, you've created a martyr, and a copycat will emerge before you can get the first one buried. The very best solution is to bombard the people of the world with information about these parasites and to be there 24/7 to censure them whenever they come out into the light of day. In other words, make their paranoia real. In many cases, these parasites will commit suicide--saving the cost of a bullet and possibly the lives of innocent victims. After Robertson informed the world that he and his followers were anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim and anti-Hindu--in short, anti-God--I informed Robertson that I would do whatever I could to help him should he ever decide to leave earth and return to hell from whence he came.
The people of the world must do something now as the evil parasites like Robertson are growing more powerful each day. I openly solicit the help of all who are able to spread this message in different languages to please do so.
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The truth, of course, lies in the middle. I have seen first hand the good, bad, and ugly things this man has done. Will any journalists step up to the plate and paint the man and his revolution for what they truly are, rather than what that particular journalist wants them to be?
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Posted by: starvinmarvy on Mar 15, 2006 11:25 AM
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has in that little country of Venezuela...the right idea!!!
His people love him.He took control of all the oil wells in his country on "behalf" of his citizens!
But guess who that imediately piss`s off?? Yeah....the USA.
There is that oil field so close...but yet...so far away!!We here
in the US government have got to DIS-CREDIT and overrun
this guy who defys us!! Who does he think he is? We should
make him look like an angry tyrant! Lets figure out a way to
get a government down there that does what we want! By all means we have to discredit him!!Make him look like HITLER!
But guess what folks...he`s got what it takes for the leader of a country. First off all he has the money(oil) and he`s gonna do whats right for his people and people of other countries! Now...isn`t THAT a bad example for the good `ol
USA ..huh? This is a good example... of what a country should be...for its citizens!!!! Personally for me Mr.Chevez....you are the
"model" for which other leaders on this planet...need to follow!!!
Mr.Chevez...God Bless!! and may you and your people be of
good health and prosper!!!
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Of course, he is dead right.
But it is still dangerous if you don't try to check that blame into becoming a full communist rebellion ala Russia's. The truest and best course for humanity does not lie with communism NOR with capitalism run amock, as in America and the WTO, but somewhere in between. So, watch the tendancy to go to far towards the "kill the rich and distribute their wealth" and watch the tendancy to go to far towards the "free trade helps everyone" slogan of neoliberals and neoconservatives. Neither works.
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I like this quote in today’s paper of Venezuelanalysis by elected President Chavez
“Jesus was the first socialist, and Judas the first capitalist.” seems this Christian President has chosen a different side of life than the USA's Christian President.
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Posted by: Marvin_KC on Mar 15, 2006 12:50 PM
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Hugo is lambasting imperialistic Europeans, and their extension to the United States of Amnesia.
Viva Hugo Chavez. Viva Venezuela, y viva el Bolivarian Revolution!
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This isn't about Chávez doing some sabre-rattling, but about corporate America and its international cronies losing their stranglehold on their continent-wide fiefdom. It's made them stinking rich, all at the cost of human life, and to mass emmigration from nations that should be doing far better in every respect than they currently are.
In the past, there was the odd politico that strayed from the U.S. script, and was summarily offed. Now, there is a potential for nine Latin American nations to make a long over-due change to the status quo that has kept them down for far too long.
That's why he's an "anti-Semite".
Economists, decades ago, predicted an awakening of a sleeping giant in Latin America. That era is nigh.
http://www.argenpress.info/nota.asp?num=028669
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Of Malkin's book defending the Japanese internment camps, they write: "Malkin makes a compelling case for the Patriot Act and profiling as legitimate tools in the current war against terror."
I say:
Remember, they were not "Japanese internment camps." What would those have to do with the Patriot Act? The unconstitutional phenomena being championed by Malkin were American concentration camps in which U.S.-born Japanese American citizens and their long-time Japanese resident parents were herded, without charges, on an indefinite basis.
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....(mind if we all converge on Isla Margarita to support ya..
and well....have a good time while we`re at it??) .....Hey folks
this may actually be a great opportunity to UNITE in a very
very nice(paradise) enviroment! Someone pick a week we can all agree too!!! A great opportunity for all!!! See ya there!!
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Posted by: Deborah on Mar 15, 2006 9:11 PM
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I want to read for myself what this great man has to say and not the lies that passes for news nowadays in the corporation media.
Thanks!
Deborah
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OK everyone, send Ecuador good vibes! Perhaps they'll see their way to a new and improved way of life, free from corporate American slavery.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4811342.stm = Link
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Posted by: Intrepidun on Mar 16, 2006 5:32 PM
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Why is it that no one is asking: 1) what was the original statement and 2) what does Chavez say about it?
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read this!
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The FAIR piece (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2805) is full of apologies and explanations, none more ridiculous and frankly embarrassing than the one offered by Rabbi Waskow:
As Waskow further pointed out, in the Gospel accounts, "it was the Roman Empire, and Roman soldiers, who crucified Jesus." While it's true that anti-Semites often accuse Jews of killing Jesus, it's not fair to assert that anyone who refers to the crucifixion of Jesus is attacking the Jewish people.
What's not fair? I am sorry, but Rabbi Waskow must have been asleep in his Jewish History class.
But why is it that all the apologies and explanations do not come coupled with this simple fact: Whatever Chavez meant, anti-Semitic or not, he should have been more careful with his language. His statement was not a responsible statement for a head of state, even less so for a head of state who happens to be a highly charismatic figure. When Chavez speaks, people listen. And, no, not all the listeners have the benefit of all the academic analysis I have seen in the US trying to explain what ever Chavez may have meant.
The President made a mistake, and as far as I can tell, he did not offer any apologies.
In Venezuela this issue did not settle easily. Of course, so many in the US were happy-go-lucky quoting the statement from CAIV (the coalition of Jewish organizations in Venezuela affirming that Chavez was not anti-semitic), but very few bothered to check further.
In fact, there was lively dissent in Venezuela. This was reflected online, in the opinion pages of daily newspapers, and certainly in conversations in the Jewish community.
Here you have a partial list:
"Paulina Gamus se pronuncia y repudia la indignidad de algunos dirigentes comunitarios judíos " Jan 13, 2006
http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=3630
"Chávez, La Hojilla y los judíos", El Nacional, Jan 14, 2006
"Adhesiones a la posición de Paulina Gamus Gallegos de Cohén " Jan 14, 2006
http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=3632
"Sobre el Manifiesto contra el antisemitismo escribe Ana Tettner" Jan 19, 2006
http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=3657
"Eleonora Bruzual: Prefiero decir Le Jaim" El Universal, Jan 20, 2006
Remitido contra las declaraciones antisemitas del Presidente de Venezuela, Jan 30, 2006
(a full-page open letter ad in El Nacional daily, with over 300 endorsers)
Comunidad judía manifestó a Chávez preocupación por mensajes antisemitas, El Nacional, Jan 31, 2006
Comunidad judía presentó pruebas a Chávez; Denuncian antisemitismo en medios oficiles, El Universal, Jan 31, 2006
"Judíos venezolanos: ¿en la mirilla de Chávez?" Feb 2, 2006
http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=3740
continues in part 2
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my partner is Japanese-American. both of his parents, and all of their family, were held prisoner by the US government. most families lost their farms, businesses, and trust in the community around them. this happened so RECENTLY, and is (probably) happening again to many Muslim-Americans today. this is one more reason that i am ashamed of my government.
"Back in September 2004, just prior to Bush's reelection, the Center's Abraham Cooper and Harold Brackman published an op-ed in the Sacramento Bee that was praised by ultraconservative pundit Michelle Malkin for backing Bush's controversial post-9/11 security measures. Of Malkin's book defending the Japanese internment camps, they write: "Malkin makes a compelling case for the Patriot Act and profiling as legitimate tools in the current war against terror." With deep ties to Israel's right-wing Likud party, the Center supports the president, who in turn supports the right-wing Israeli perspective."
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