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Kanye the Instigator

By Maria Luisa Tucker, AlterNet. Posted January 28, 2006.


Rapper Kanye West has become one of pop culture's most intriguing political commentators. Or, depending on your perspective, one of its most intriguing reactionaries.
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During an MTV show in August, rapper Kanye West publicly called for his fellow rappers and the hip hop community to stop gay bashing. With the Aug. 30 release of his latest album, "Late Registration," West started conversations about conflict diamonds with his song "Diamonds from Sierra Leone." In September, he asserted his belief that "George Bush doesn't care about black people" during a Red Cross telethon for Hurricane Katrina survivors. And now, with his portrayal of Jesus on the cover of Rolling Stone, he has instigated debates about religion and race.

In the magazine, which hit the stands Friday, West is pictured wearing a crown of thorns, a serious expression, and a few appropriate trickles of blood. The magazine titles its cover story "The Passion of Kanye West," clearly playing off the controversial film "The Passion of the Christ." However, it may unintentionally remind readers of the true passion of a musician who is clearly troubled with the state of the world.

Even if you don't agree with his opinions, the increasing resonance of West's political statements is undeniable. And his ability to get political discussions going -- from the race factor of Hurricane Katrina to human rights abuses in the diamond industry -- is unparalleled by any other hip hop artist. While he often comes off as an arrogant and unlikable celebrity, West's political commentary is refreshing because it seems to have no calculated political message and no preachy moral story. He simply talks about the issue that is on his mind. And this month, he wants to talk about Jesus.

Predictably, the Rolling Stone cover has incited angry responses from some Christian leaders, who have berated the magazine and, in one case, called West "mentally challenged." In a statement released two days before the magazine even hit the stands, Catholic League President Bill Donahue accused the magazine of being racist, saying, "If it is true that West is a morally confused black young man, it is also true that Rolling Stone is staffed by morally challenged white veterans: They are to West what white boxing agents in the 20th century were to black boxers -- rip-off artists. It is not for nothing that West poses as a Christlike figure on a magazine geared to whites."

Though this statement is somewhat mystifying, Donahue in later interviews essentially argued that West was being exploited by the magazine, a laughable idea since any celebrity pictured on the cover of Rolling Stone is clearly promoting his own career. Kanye West's defenders have largely chalked up the anger over the cover photo to the idea that a black Jesus goes against some religious leaders' white sensibilities.

Hip hop activist Rosa Clemente responded to the Catholic League's statement by asking, "Was it wrong for Jesus to be portrayed by Charlton Heston, a gun-toting member of the National Rifle Association?" Clemente argued that the outcry against West-as-Jesus was really about the fact that Jesus was depicted by a black man: "The problem for the Catholic League and many white Christians who will start coming out of the woodwork to also condemn Kanye and begin to attack hip hop is that Kanye West as a black man does not represent their revisionist history of whom Jesus was."

Aside from the content of the complaints, the fact that conservatives have launched a pre-emptive strike against the rapper belies the widening reach of West's voice.

It's been a long time coming.

West grew up in the suburbs of Chicago, the son of a professor. A gifted student, he won a scholarship to college and majored in English. Then, as his first album would relay, he dropped out to pursue his interest in music. West was a talented producer before he was a talented rapper. His 2004 hit "College Dropout" garnered 10 Grammy nominations and won three. His newest album, "Late Registration," is up for eight Grammy Awards, including album of the year.

Throughout his career, he has gained a reputation as being arrogant and outspoken. (He has the titles of some of his own songs tattooed on his arm.) Both Time and Newsweek profiled West in August, calling him an artist "full of contradictions" (Newsweek), and a "Buppie" who is "challenging the way rap thinks about race and class" (Time).

Catholic League's Donahue admitted in his statement that, "West is a young rapper who is hard to peg. On the one hand, he eschews gangsta rap and likes to sing lyrics like, 'They say you can rap about anything except Jesus/ That means guns, sex, lies, videotapes/ But if I talk about God, my record won't get played.' On the other hand, he is capable of saying plainly foolish things, e.g., the government is responsible for the spread of AIDS among blacks and gays." (At the Philadelphia Live 8 concert in July, West promoted the idea that AIDS was a "man-made disease placed in African communities.")

When the president of the Catholic League is contemplating the lyrics of a rap song, it's a pretty good indicator that the rapper in question has been fully politicized. But West is far from the "morally confused" patsy that Donahue imagines. While the self-admitted porn addict and self-congratulatory musician may not be a sympathetic figure, he is certainly no idiot.

West's public personality does not fit the caricature of the gangsta rapper defining himself by his rough demeanor (perhaps proven by gunshot wounds a la 50 Cent). Rather, he seems more like a complex man who has come up from the hip hop generation's middle class. He is not the poor, oppressed child of the streets who is angry about his lot in life. He is the child of suburbia who is angry at the state of injustice in the world. He is at once egotistic and self-conscious, a consumer and a critic of consumption. His lyrics sometimes come off as self-congratulatory rhymes with poppy appeal. Just as often, they take a socially conscious approach to political issues that most rappers would pass right by.

One of the most talked about songs from "Late Registration" recounts the guilt West felt after learning about the fate of diamond workers:

"See, a part of me's sayin', keep shinin' / How, when I know what a blood diamond is? / Though it's thousands of miles away / Sierra Leone connect to what we go through today / Over here it's the drug trade, we die from drugs. Over there, they die from what we buy from drugs. / The Diamonds. The chains, the bracelets, the charms / I thought my Jesus piece was so harmless / 'Til I seen a picture of a shorty armless, and here's the conflict / It's in the black person's soul, to rock that gold. Spend your whole life tryin' to get that ice / On a polo rugby you look so nice, how could something so wrong make me feel so right."
The song instigated a series of articles about the diamond trade, and forced diamond dealers to defend their product. Just a few days after the release of this song, West made his infamous outburst during a Katrina telethon:
"I hate the way they portray us in the media. You see a black family, it says, 'They're looting.' You see a white family, it says, 'They're looking for food.' And, you know, it's been five days [waiting for federal help] because most of the people are black. And even for me to complain about it, I would be a hypocrite because I've tried to turn away from the TV because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before even giving a donation, so now I'm calling my business manager right now to see what is the biggest amount I can give, and just to imagine if I was down there, and those are my people down there. So anybody out there that wants to do anything that we can help -- with the way America is set up to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off, as slow as possible. I mean, the Red Cross is doing everything they can. We already realize a lot of people that could help are at war right now, fighting another way -- and they've given them permission to go down and shoot us! … George Bush doesn't care about black people!"
While this would be among the things that Donahue would call "foolish," it was the first real mention of race in a tragedy that provoked widespread discussions of national racism. While some white pundits would call his comments foolish and brash, West's outburst clearly resonated with thousands of black folks. In the fall, a poll showed that 84 percent of African-Americans believed the response to the disaster would have been faster if it had affected a white community. That poll probably would never have been taken if West had not made the statement "Bush doesn't care about black people."

West's past statements have always been unequivocally clear and bold. His portrayal of himself as Jesus is much more confounding. Perhaps it's a reference to his tune "Jesus Walks," or a simple publicity stunt. Or perhaps he really feels that he's some sort of savior. The only certain thing is that West's politicization has ensured that this new bit of social commentary has elicited another public debate about race.

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Kanye as Jesus
Posted by: drobinson2 on Jan 28, 2006 12:33 AM   
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Kanye West's bravado is almost certainly tongue in cheek, as is his appearance depicting Jesus on the cover of Rollling Stone. However, Kanye as a deep thinker can easily make connections between what he sees as the Jesus' role in the society of Jerusalem and his own in modern America. Jesus' anti-establishment teachings led to his execution. And although our modern day society will likely not martyr Kanye West in a literal sense, if he continues to speak truth to power, one can imagine his marginalization. The American Establishment, with the complicity of the media, are quite capable to assassinating the character of a public figure, especially if they are in the process able to stoke some of White America's most deeply held fears and prejudices. West knows he is not Jesus, but he may become Paul Robeson.

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George Bush doesn't care
Posted by: rollo on Jan 28, 2006 2:19 AM   
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period.

The End

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Good!
Posted by: johnecolby on Jan 28, 2006 2:29 AM   
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We need more instigators. More power to him.

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w00t
Posted by: Llama11 on Jan 28, 2006 3:51 AM   
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"drug dealer buy jordans, crack head buy crack
and the white man get paid offa all of that"

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IT DEPENDS ON HIS MOTIVE
Posted by: dadanbetty on Jan 28, 2006 4:28 AM   
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If Mr. West was speaking from the soul, then my heart goes out to him. However, if this is just another publicity stunt (which I think it is), then he is no different from all the rest of the profiting, Chri$tian whores. Either way, to say that bush hates all black people is just a stupid thing to say. Bush is indifferent to the working classes which happen to be all kinds of colors.

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philby
Posted by: philby on Jan 28, 2006 5:13 AM   
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Hi, mostly americans (I guess) I am writing from victoria, Australia. Over the last week my community has been in grave threat of bush fire. The fire came within 3 kilometers of our town, a working class town of (1800p) which was burning in the plantations owned by an american concern (Hancock as it happens). My point is that well over one thousand well trained and supplied people came to the aid of myself and other communities around the state. would this happen in bush America? These issues need to be raised!

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Charlton Heston??
Posted by: radiogrrl on Jan 28, 2006 6:10 AM   
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Moses? Yes. Jesus? I don't remember Charlton Heston playing Jesus, but I may be too young or something...

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George Bush doesn't care about black people...
Posted by: jimprogressive4e on Jan 28, 2006 7:53 AM   
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Kanye West's political statements resonate not only with poor black Americans, but with all marginalized Americans. Kanye recognizes the fact Bush's policies benefit only those with access to wealth and power, allowing the powerful to exploit the weak while denying poverty and social problems which are a direct result of that exploitation. George Bush cares only about those people who are necessary in the consolidation of power his Machiavellian administration

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Jesus is a Roman fantasy character...
Posted by: SeverelyJaded on Jan 28, 2006 7:53 AM   
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Yes, the Messiah was and is now again "black." One purpose for the New Testament and Christianity was to hide that fact behind a great morass of deception and strong delusion. If Kanye's antics are going to cause a stir with the religious establishment, wait until they are forced to come face to face the real thing!

The time has come to face the music. Can the world handle the truth?

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Is Rolling Stone Really Only Read by White Folks?
Posted by: pelle_in_goal on Jan 28, 2006 8:10 AM   
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Charlton Heston played Moses and Ben-Hur -- never Jesus -- as far as I know. In the 60's Heston also marched in the Civil Rights Movement and was far less involved with gun issues. This might surprise a few folks.

Kanye's RC cover sends me two messages:

1. He probably wants us to associate Jesus's throwing the money changers out of the Temple, with his fight against conditions in the Sierra Leone diamond mines.

2. Dissent definitely carries a high price these days. I'll bet his phone "clicks" every time he picks it up. 'Course, it's been doing that since he simultaneously got very popular and a lot blacker.

3. I also think Kanye's got some internal conflicts about his wealth viv-a-vis his social conscience. He will definitely continue to have them. Many successful artists never even get there.

But I'd say he wants to carry his cross alone for a while -- for commercial reasons as well as conscience. Still, I've got a lot of respect for him -- warts and all.

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real issues matter
Posted by: gladwyn on Jan 28, 2006 8:10 AM   
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At the risk of giving this discussion more air time than its worth:
The portrayal of fictional characters like jesus should have no bearing on peace and justice. The issues of peace and justice raised by war and race and katrina and conflict diamonds should not be covered up by a discussion of the messenger dressed in a trademark.

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what's the racket all about?
Posted by: cold2touch on Jan 28, 2006 8:21 AM   
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I am probably unqualified to comment but I will anyway. I don't know Kanye West, couldn't tell his songs from car backfire. I also don't know Jesus and never gave his testament more than a cursory glance. But I do know that Blacks have been wearing that crown of thorns for centuries and Jesus only had it for about 3 days. As for the imagery, how dare he? Because of course, Jesus was a 6' muscular, blond Aryan (Charlton Hestonesque) from somewhere north of Vienna. I am sure the Catholic League has some photos to prove their point.

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Hello, Mr.W
Posted by: dannrusso on Jan 28, 2006 12:05 PM   
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So - I just signed up and just wanted to say hi to The president and anyone who's checking out what I'm writing...Peace, y'all.

ANYWAY -

Kanye is not only a gifted rapper who can flow like Tupac and Jay Z, but that he can bring publicity and importance to something that would have otherwise just have gotten swept under the rug shows a wonderful sense of propriety and self-awareness. I wish there were more people like him and that I had the strength and public forum in which to make statements like that.

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Kanye as Jesus
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Jan 28, 2006 12:21 PM   
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It's obviously provocative to pose Kanye as Christ but it hints at Kanye's obvious interests in many people, as he's indicated on many occasions and as are featured in this article. It also squares somewhat with his obviously self-confidence (which to me there's nothing wrong with). I don't see any real story here, and it's always funny seeing Bill Donahue opening his mouth because you wonder how many feet he'll put in. The notion that Jesus was not white....well, he was born, if the stories are correct, in present-day Iraq, so more than likely that would have looked like a present-day Iraqi. This is a provocative picture no doubt, and probably somewhat motivated by Rolling Stone's desire to move copy, but Kanye is obviously a thoughtful and intelligent guy and Bill Donahue has never seemed like that to me.

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Why Stop at Diamonds
Posted by: artie on Jan 28, 2006 1:50 PM   
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Reading the words, it seems clear the Kayne's 'diamond target' is not just the market, but the implicit hypocrisy of a community of 'financially comfortable' who articulate their care for the world's enslaved - over 20 million - but indirectly sustain that slavery by satisfying their pecuniary thirst. Decades ago we saw something similar when Baez(?) appeared at concert enshrouded in a full-length fur. Hopefully, Kayne can widen his targets, and inform all of us about the markets for children, gold, silver, tobacco, cacao, .... The 21st century's globalization bears a striking resemblance to the Atlantic Slave Trade and the economics of colonialization... Kayne shold find a lot of material to work with!

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It's not like he's done anything.
Posted by: Ty on Jan 28, 2006 3:10 PM   
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Good on him for going and writing a few songs about a few of the terrible things happening in our world at the moment, but to my knowledge he hasn't really done anything much. Writing a controversial song that will get you in the media is one thing, but it doesn't help the situation at all. If he feels self conscious about his wealth and its derivation, he should use a very large portion of it to actually help some people.

Raising public awarness slightly has only a very marginal effect.

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we need as many souls brave enough ...
Posted by: Loopylafae on Jan 28, 2006 3:23 PM   
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to make noise to the masses about the chronic, massive injustice going on in our present system ... and sadly, I think it's true --he risks "crucifixtion" for speaking out ...I applaud his courage & am thankful that there are a few famous ( ie: visible) people who apparently, are paying attention & care. Good on him!!

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It's richey not whitey
Posted by: changeiscertain on Jan 28, 2006 3:44 PM   
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Kanye hasn't figured out that there isn't a black/white issue in this country, there is a rich/poor issue in this country. The powers that be lead poor white people to believe that black people are dangerous by continuously characterizing them as crazed killers and rapists in the media. Then they turn and convince poor black people that it's whitey who is keeping them down and all white people are not to be trusted. By doing this, they ensure that poor black people and poor white people won't be getting together any time soon to insist on the redistribution of wealth in this country. Kanye is one of the people who seem to have swallowed this version of the way things are hook, line and sinker. This is the guy who raps a song with a line in it about a black female who stands by her black boyfriend for years while he's trying to make it big, and then when he does, he leaves her for a white woman. So, normally I just write him off as a racist idiot. Insinuating that being left for a white woman is any more devastating than being left for a black or Asian or Hispanic woman might not be blatant racism, but I get it Kanye. He's courageous and he's outspoken. This can not be denied. And those could be wonderful attributes used for the betterment of all of mankind. It's just too bad he's been duped and can't tell the difference between rich people and average white people.

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Say what?
Posted by: Sojourner on Jan 28, 2006 9:30 PM   
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So, now, what exactly is the risk West is taking? In show biz, even bad news is good news just so long as it's news

It's only show biz, folks. In the '60s-70s, we had pop muscians singing about political issues who then stopped as soon as those kinds of songs didn't sell any more. They went out of fashion. So the performers just took the money and ran.

Today's generation doesn't even know that once upon a time in the US, the rich didn't own everything like today. Once everything didn't have a price tag on it. There were still some things that couldn't be bought and sold.

I don't know what West does or says that might show he cares about something other than his own bottom line. "Unequivocal and bold"? You mean like Cheney's "F*** you"?

Nothing in the article gives even a hint of generosity or graciousness. How do we know he's not just another clown? A rich clown, to be sure. But, to quote the famous Rhett Butler, "Quite frankly, my dear, I just don't give a damn."

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'Bring Me Down' Lyrics
Posted by: fairleft on Jan 29, 2006 7:51 AM   
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Made a mill myself (ooooooo)
And im still myself (ooooooo)
And ima look in da mirror if i need some help (yeaaaah)

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Right On Baby
Posted by: fairleft on Jan 29, 2006 8:01 AM   
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Why aren't you writing columns for alternet? The 'left' should be the first place whereanti-racist thinking like yours can speak openly and be debated honestly.

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KANYE IS THE SECOND PART OF DR. KINGS DREAM
Posted by: rayray on Jan 29, 2006 4:03 PM   
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fROM DIAMONDS TO JESUS I PRAY REPARATIONS TO MENTALLY REPAIR THOSE EFFECTED BY SLAVERY STILL TO THIS DAY, GO KANYE.

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Let's not beat around the BUSH!
Posted by: ghettosteak on Jan 30, 2006 12:19 AM   
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"Throughout his career, he has gained a reputation as being [ignorant because he is] .. . outspoken. (He has the titles of some of his own songs tattooed on his arm.) Both Time and Newsweek profiled West in August, calling him an artist "full of contradictions" (Newsweek), and a "Buppie" who is [a challenged rapper who thinks entirely too much] about race and class" (Time).

Really, this is how it should read. The "contradictions" is just a kind way of saying, "We like it that he hates Bush, but dang he is dumb!”

He should have NEVER, I repeat NEVER of dropped out of college. In fact, he should return immediately.

Let's face it. This gentleman could definitely benefit from some books on local, state, and federal government (not to mention some common sense). Anyway, this is all about SALES! Bush is entirely hated by this rappers target market so he cannot go wrong if he is anti-Bush and anti-Government. If he had paid attention in school and stayed in college, he would have learned that all ignorant (no matter color) are "disenfranchised" (simply because they don't know anything) and he would be less angry. The color issue confuses people and prevents us from addressing the real problems in government. This is especially the case for problems in the black community. But al-in-all I am happy to see a rapper singing about something other than how cool he is because he is violent, can sell dope, and is turning all his neighbors into crackheads and whores. Even worse, then after making thousands from selling death to his people in the name of "keeping it real" accepts his Grammy of "Corruption" and thanks God. God for crying out loud! Whew. Anyway, I don't care how intelligent actually, I am happy to see artists begin to incorporate some more positive messages into their music - even if it is a stunt. I hope that despite whether he is sincere or not, that something catches on (not the psychotic babble). We need strong black leaders to stand up and ACTUALLY do SOMETHING! (Besides line their pockets). Preferably educated. But if they have HEART, that is where it all begins!

EDUCATION folks! Frustrating.

-PEACE OUT!

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Posted by: changeiscertain on Jan 31, 2006 4:24 PM   
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Don't misunderstand me. Racism is alive and kicking. My point is, it's not the root. It's a symptom. Rich people need us poor people to be racist to distract us from the real issue. They need us to be enemies with each other so we won't recognize them as the real enemy and oppressor. Attempting to fight racism with racism is getting us nowhere fast. It's like treating cancer (racism) with Advil (affirmative action, etc) to ease the pain (separation) when all we really need to do is create a terrain (equality starting with an equal distribution of wealth and equal opportunity for education) where cancer (racism) can not exist. When black people accept and cling to treats like affirmative action and their very own history month they insinuate they're not worthy of the whole shebang. Insist that your history be taught accurately and given attention every single day of the year. Insist on a supurb education whether you live in Beverly Hills or in the ghettos of Detroit. Insist on being given equal consideration for a job because you can do the job and do it well. Insist on an acccurate account of history written in our text books. Insist that they never again suggest that black people had it good, while slaves, because they were taken care of by white people. Insist that they tell our children how Columbus stole this country from Native Americans. Insist on the truth and demand equal treatment because you are *human beings* not because you are black. Treats are not enough. Richey wants you to believe that they are. They would have you think this is as good as it gets and any crumb they throw you should be lapped up appreciatively. Be the change you want to see, Ghandi said - Step up and take the lead in removing the emphasis from skin color. Impoverished white people are no further ahead. They are being duped by text books and have as much of a lack of preparation for corporate America as anybody else. When they learn that other people, because of their skin color, are getting treats this causes animosity. The truth of the matter is poor white people need help also. If you leave impoverished white people behind in your struggle to move forward you'll soon realize that we're all in the same boat and you've got dead weight in the back. If you would understand that we are all in this together we could take turns rowing.

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Deep my eye
Posted by: YogiBear on Feb 1, 2006 10:38 AM   
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I subscribe to Rolling Stone and read the article after seeing this commentary. If Kayne West is so deep why does he believe that AIDS was created by our government to kill blacks and gays?

He might be a talented musician, but that's about it.

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Bandaids for Jesus
Posted by: edromar2 on Feb 5, 2006 9:30 AM   
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I'd dearly love for him to pose for my poster for Bandaids for Jesus and appear in a concert to raise money to repair some of the damage we have done to the Iraqi people by our preemptive war that violates international law, the UN charter and our own principles of the Nuremburg Trials in which we killed people for engaging in the preemptive attacks in Western Europe.

How can I post the sample from my poster in which a cross of bandaids (with our flag on them) saying "Support Our Troops--Bring them Home" is placed across Jesus' bleeding, thorn pricked forehead?

It is not cheap for an artist to risk his reputation in a nation of fascists intent on subjugating other races and religions. Still, we need to do all we can to point to the evils we are doing by publicly trying to cure what of our consequences we can.

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