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When Harry Met Larry

By Liz Langley, AlterNet. Posted January 26, 2006.


It's a cliche that men are loony for lesbians. So why is it taboo for women, like me, to swoon at the sight of two guys having sex?
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Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal romp in 'Brokeback Mountain.'

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When the movie "My Own Private Idaho" came out in 1992, I was just giddy with excitement, somehow having gotten the idea that it was going to be a sweeping epic tale of love among gay hustlers, a blend of "Gone with the Wind" and "Midnight Cowboy."

It starred Keanu Reeves, who had that cutest-boy-in-the-class smile that always ensured there wasn't a dry seat in the house, and the brooding, breathtaking River Phoenix, who always seemed to be looking to some far horizon, nursing a secret wound, even if he was on the cover of Teen Beat.

The idea of two such heavenly creatures in a love story with each other was the most potently sensual thing I could imagine.

I was wrong about "Idaho." It had some sweet moments but wasn't quite the big romance I'd hoped for, plus it was confusing, and I remember that when I got up to leave the theater, my butt was asleep. I'd have to wait over a decade for the epic gay romance that was more what I had in mind, which would turn out to be "Brokeback Mountain." I watched it as though I'd been taxidermied, hardly breathing for the intimacy, crying until my sleeves were black with eyeliner (I forgot the Kleenex), being annoyed that the shiny screen obscured the allegedly graphic sex (which I still haven't seen) and wondering, though not very seriously, if there was something wrong with me.

Thirteen years is a long time to think you're probably the only woman in the world who finds two men in bed together a very sexy thing. In all that time, I read only one story expressing similar sentiments, but as I recall, it focused more on gay porn, which I have no problem with. But I wanted more romance! passion! words!

There is the threadbare cliche of men being loony for lesbians, which has become a cultural joke on a par with their inability to ask for directions, but one never hears it asserted in the reverse. It felt like a lonely little kink.

Why seeing two men together strikes me as both so sexy and so sweet, I'm unsure. It could be sheer novelty, that there's no subtly threatening presence of another woman, the predictable yen for something I can't be a part of, or wanting to see more of what I don't have (if I want to see naked girl, fergodsake, I can stick my head down my dress).

Or it could be because male-male love scenes must focus on male sensuality; male-female love scenes always seem to focus on the woman. Our bodies are always lauded as being the more elegant of the genders, but I think it's just because we're missing the centerpiece, so the table looks a little neater.

Men's narrow hips and soulful eyes are just as sweet as our napes and tresses. Plus, I would argue that the male pelvic area -- that V-shaped space above the pubic region -- is the most beautiful thing in the world, and that includes cupcakes, butterfly migrations and beach homes with keys under the mat.

And sensuality isn't just physical -- it's something people radiate, a reflex of gratitude for some stimulation -- a moan, a sigh, a laugh. Men have more of this gorgeous responsiveness than they often allow us to see, so when it's focused on so closely, it's extremely powerful.

Then there's the simple answer: If you double up the sugar, the cookie tastes twice as good. This is known in academia as the Double Stuff Tautology.

Whatever the reason, I recently learned that I'm not the only woman who finds two guys together at least somewhat knee-buckling. Using "Brokeback" as an excuse, I brought it up in live conversation and via email with girlfriends and drew at least some agreement. Most of the girls I mentioned it to didn't seem to care what Heath and Jake were doing, though, as long as they got two hours of Heath and Jake.

So on one hand, I feel like I outed myself, but as what? A woman who likes men? When I think of it that way, it doesn't seem like a big deal -- but that's always how it is on the other side of a confession. Secrets are like splinters; once they're out, it's hard to imagine that something so small could cause all that trouble.

Still, since the confessional is an eternally strong career move, I see a new niche for myself: rewriting the great romances with men in all the roles. Check it out: two guys share a ride to New York and end up becoming good friends, only they realize they can't be friends because one always wants to sleep with the other. In the end, of course, they fall in love and everything works out. I think the world is ready for When Harry met Larry.

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Liz Langley is a freelance writer in Orlando, FL.

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google "slash fic"
Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Jan 26, 2006 12:40 AM   
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Have you been under a rock? Or just not into science fiction and fantasy?

Sometimes I feel like one of the only women who doesn't get off on the idea of men doing it to each other. Kirk/Spock, Snape/Lupin, Anakin/Obi Wan -- whatever you want, it is out there.

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Well... duh
Posted by: boygranddakar on Jan 26, 2006 12:48 AM   
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Either you don't have the right female friends, or you don't read the right erotica. Is this really such a secret? Perhaps it's mostly been A Queer Thing, or maybe queer girls (lesbian, bi, or just queer) don't have the hang-ups that straight girls do about talking about (fantasizing about, watching) gay romance and sex. For queer girls, too, there's a sympathetic warm fuzzy feeling when two guys kiss. But sure, it's hot. And the more complex, real-life gay love that gets to the big screen, the better. If we have to get over homophobia through your libido, that works for me. Sorry to say, it doesn't work in reverse. Straight guys who are into lesbian sex - as long as they're L-Word lesbians - give me the cold pricklies.

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Oh, my goodness, who cares. Fantasies are meant to be private.
Posted by: Pepper on Jan 26, 2006 4:43 AM   
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That is what makes them fantasies. Get a grip girl. P

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er..
Posted by: bettsoff on Jan 26, 2006 5:18 AM   
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As other posters have noted, this is not taboo or even novel. Immerse yourself in slash and yaoi and have a grand old time.

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feelings
Posted by: saywhat? on Jan 26, 2006 7:23 AM   
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i respect your feelings, i do....do you want to hear mine?...your fantasy is alot healthier than scooter libby's where young girls are locked in cages with bears to make them frigid.

maybe though dr phil would be a better listener. after all that is what he is in business for.

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Thanks!
Posted by: LeslieGem on Jan 26, 2006 7:34 AM   
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Forget all these "too cool for school" know it alls that have commented above -- I too find two men extremely hot -- and I also thought I was the only one! Thanks for writing!

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I think one of us missed something
Posted by: geming on Jan 26, 2006 7:39 AM   
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I don't think it's possible to even scratch the surface of this taboo without looking at gender and how it exists in real life as well as on the big screen. First of all, most lesbian porn sites, most lesbian themed anything appeals to straight men because they're targeted for it. I'll bet straight men's exposure to real queer cinema is probably nonexistant. Women are objects, no? So "lesbians" who turn men on are maybe not really lesbians, and really are just two women who've internalized this objectification and are putting on a show for straight men. Men are the standards of humanity, right? Which means women, as a whole, are socially incapable of objectifying them as two people putting on a show for our gender market. For the straight women who are turned on by watching two men in sexual acts, that novelty is not marketed. Even using Brokeback as an example, it's maybe one of a handful of big screen depictions of men in same sex relationships, and lookie here, it tries to show the complexity of a real human relationship, the emotional, social, and psychological breadth of Heath's and Jake's relationship, whereas between the 2 million websites and videos that depict women in same sex relationship (for the pleasure and enjoyment of men) are superficial, violent, and purely sexual illustrations of women. This post is really stupid to, I know, b/c there's no way to really examine this dynamic here.

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Girrrrrl....
Posted by: LizFun on Jan 26, 2006 8:13 AM   
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You need to check out "Queer as Folk" reruns on Showtime!!!!

Rock hard male bodies, awesome story lines, plus most of the actors are straight in real life!

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Preach it, sister
Posted by: mmeetoilenoir on Jan 26, 2006 10:31 AM   
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Man love is WHERE IT'S AT. Sooo hot. Yum.

What I find odd, though, is that many of the posters here are either chiding her preference, or telling her, "Oh, well, that's old hat, sigh." Why is that? It almost seems like a weird type of disconnection...

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hey ladies-
Posted by: chrstof on Jan 26, 2006 11:24 AM   
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in the first place i am totally surprised that so far, all the posters are enjoying this guy on guy stuff. most of the women i have known would never admit to finding it a turn-on.
would you still enjoy it if it were real graphic porn?

secondly, the author has something a little wrong. by and far, it's not lesbians we like, it's watching two women be sexual with each other. as we would be sexual with them. after all, how many guys do you know that have the hots for chastity bono, melissa etheridge, or rosie o'donnell?

there is something of competition in sexual matters, and i deeply believe that it is more exciting on a biological basis, for a man to witness women being sexual, WITHOUT another male competitor.

from the author's article, it would seem this plays a factor in her enjoyment of seeing two men together.

the third thing, is, societal or not, unless you are a gay man, the mere thought of being sexual with another man is a huge turn-off. some propose that this is because the turned-off guy in question is just 'insecure' in his own masculinity. that may play a small role, esp. in terms of the ferocity of his objection to the idea, but my 42 yrs. of being a guy that hangs out with other guys, lead me to believe it is just an innate revulsion fueled primarily by biology, and only reinforced by society.

finally, it just goes to show you learn something new every day.

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uuuuhhh...
Posted by: Arousiak on Jan 26, 2006 12:52 PM   
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Wait. Am i missing something. women being turned on by homosexual love is unusual?

common knowledge to me. hot hot hot.... hot.

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my beautiful launderette...
Posted by: Leanne on Jan 26, 2006 12:59 PM   
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I used to think this had the best sex scene in a mainstreem movie. Now there others, but, you know, your first is always special.

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simplistic sexuality assignments
Posted by: thaumaturgistguy on Jan 26, 2006 2:14 PM   
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As a general response to several of the comments on here, but perhaps especially to chrstof: Much of the debate going on in the comments would be moot if people realized that sexual orientation is not so black and white.

First off my boyfriend and I both thought that the characters of Jack and Ennis are not "gay". Ok yeah they have sex, but the movie is about their love and not about any desire on their parts for anal/oral sex, it's about the connection and the love that they have, which is expressed through physical intimacy and sex simply because they don't know how else to express it. Just because someone has sex with someone of the same sex doesn't make them a homosexual or even bisexual. In fact I think that Kinsey was probably the worst thing to happen to America's sexual health in a century. Human feelings, and sexuality, are far more complex than gay and straight, homo and hetero, or any kind of boxes they are put in.

The "lesbians" in straight porn are a perfect example. They're not lesbians. They may enjoy being sexual with other women...or not...but that is irrelevant since the whole point of that kind of situation is the money they are making. There are women that do A LOT of "carpet laying" (forgive the vulgarity) who consider themselves perfectly "straight". In contrast there are even quite a few men who do gay porn who consider themselves "straight" and some of them even are. The money is good and that's why they do it. Basically all I'm saying is while you're thinking about this movie and any subsequent conversations, don't get caught in the trap of simplisitcally assigning a sexuality to people when that is an impossible task. I say that especially to "straight" males as they seem to be guilty of this most often.

In response to what the author wrote: I'm not sure where you are living, or what your background is, but I am also a little suprised at your feelings of being alone in your desire, but hey, we all discover ourselves and the communities of people we enjoy in our own time and pace.

It seems to me that your enjoyment of this movie was more about the love and relationship of the characters and not "Hot male on male action!". I find this mildly amusing, but only in that it is a continued trend I have noticed in not only our society and its gender relations but in others. Continued below...

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All my life's a circle
Posted by: muppet on Jan 26, 2006 2:56 PM   
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I agree completely with thaumaturgistguy about sexuality existing along a continuum. Google "Klein scale".

And this:

"Our bodies are always lauded as being the more elegant of the genders, but I think it's just because we're missing the centerpiece, so the table looks a little neater."

has to be one of the funniest descriptions I've heard in a while.

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To address what others have written:
Posted by: boygranddakar on Jan 26, 2006 4:08 PM   
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Please... this isn’t a support group, it’s an AlterNet article. I want AlterNet to tell me something new, or at least introduce a new level of analysis that I haven’t heard before. And I can’t help but feel that if this article were written by someone queer, we could break new ground instead of retreading what seems like old ground.

Women find guy-on-guy action exciting? Not new. The gender analysis that women prefer “plot” over raw sex action? Boring, and irritatingly within the bounds of the biological determinism/women are monogamous; men are polygamous argument. Men prefer girl-on-girl action between “straight-looking” women instead of real lesbians? Wow. Shocking. Gender and sexuality is on a continuum? Don’t people get this in college-level intro psychology? If not, they should.

How about: If this “secret” gets out, what happens if corporate movie (and TV) makers start marketing for it? How would queer men feel about straight women ogling “their” bodies and images? How do the layers of gender and sexuality get played out in that situation? Particularly if you introduce race into the situation (e.g., white women getting off on two black men). Let’s hear from independent queer pornographers about this, like those who produce Good Vibrations’ porn videos. How do straight women’s fantasies about gay men intervene - or not - in homophobia in the U.S.?

I’m not interested in one woman’s fantasy, or even those of her friends, about Heath and Jake. I want to hear some deeper analysis and play out the political implications. I’m not “too cool for school.” I’m restless for new ideas. Can we take this to the next level?

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Welcome back, Liz!
Posted by: mr. joshua on Jan 26, 2006 4:23 PM   
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I'm so pleased to be reading your musings on Alternet again. Next time, try not to be gone so long! ;)

Did the book ever happen? If so, I'd love to read it.

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One Word:
Posted by: Justice on Jan 26, 2006 4:24 PM   
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YAOI

Japanese girls have understood the beauty of boy on boy for years and Americans are finally catching up.

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Alienated from both liberal and conservative perspecives on sex
Posted by: Zamboni Driver on Jan 26, 2006 11:12 PM   
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I've known and had many gay and lesbian friends over the years; as well as plenty of conservative christians. I'm glad for Brokenback's success: it clearly communicates to Wyoming residents (like Dick Cheney--whose daughter is a lesbian) as well as folks all over the place that YES, even here in cowboy country there are gay boys falling in love and having passionate sex. Get over it. Get used to it. Yet while I understand and sympathize with the gay/lesbian sufferage over the decades long oppression in USA; I also have witnessed the crass materialism, violent abandonment, and downright nasty-ass abuse that gays and lesbians do to each other in their ranks. Yes, it's complicated and very fucked up. I don't expect a mainstream movie to touch upon this topic, but suffice it to say that many, many gay and lesbian people are fucked over by their own. Weird and harsh, but perhaps along the same lines as how many of us feel alienated by BOTH the liberal and conservative parties that dominate the national political spectrum.

PS: just a quick 'heads-up' that the United States government is sliding into corporate occupied government fascism. Democrats and republicans are both doing their best to expedite this process.

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Boys like girls like girls etc
Posted by: zipper696 on Jan 27, 2006 7:45 PM   
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As a straight male I have to report that "lesbian" or girl-on-girl porn does nothing for me, my first thought is "What a terrible waste of two women!".
I've come across this belief in a number of women (based on what, I'm not sure, perhaps sightings of their partner's Playboy or Hustler?)
The writer's pleasure and arousal may also be explained by the undoubtedly good looks of both actors, if it were Woody Allen and Gene Hackman would she feel the same?

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More on Girl/Girl - Part 1
Posted by: goldmarx on Jan 28, 2006 7:09 AM   
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As someone who has written extensively on "g/g'"porn for Adult Video News and the Rec.Arts.Movie.Erotica website (I authored the "Sapphic Scorchers" page), I want to commend the previous poster for saying something that should be said, namely, that many many straight men are turned off by two women making love to each other, regardless of how they look! In many cases, it's just straightforward homophobia, in others, it's just a matter of taste.

In a sense, we've all been 'brainwashed' by Howard Stern into thinking this is the het male's favorite fantasy. I find it amazing that despite the numerous frauds he commits, Stern is still believed on anything. [Then again, look at the people we elect President.] Folks who don't care about 'g/g' think it's cool to say they like it because Stern says he does.

I, on the other hand, adore the 'girl/girl' genre, knowing that in this I am part of a distinct minority, on par with the diminishing minority that subscribe to the Darwinian Theory of Evolution.

It is incorrect, as one poster said above, that there are no actual lesbians performing in het-made g/g porn. Erica Boyer, Tigr, Barbara Dare (for many years) and Chris Cassidy, to name a few. Men like me prefer to watch real lesbians who happen to conform to our standard of attraction - "lipstick lesbians", I believe, is the term. Straight women who are 'gay for pay' don't fool most of us - we can tell when they're faking it, and we zap through their scenes.

The quality and tone of het-made g/g porn is very different from the quality of the average b/g scene. The focus in the former is both women's pleasure, with lots of cunnilingus. Viv Thomas' g/g porn has incredble deep kissing that most standard g/g porn lacks. There is a nurturing quality between the women that really affected me when I first got 'hooked' on 'g/g' - I slowly began to realize how sexy nurturing and devotion to a woman's pleasure could be.

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More on 'Girl/Girl' Porn - Part 2
Posted by: goldmarx on Jan 28, 2006 7:10 AM   
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That type of porn made me realize how, prior to my porn consumerism, patriarchy had robbed me of the opportunity to be a nurturing, pro-feminist man, and how amazing this porn was - even with its faults - in its defiance of our puritanical patriarchy. It was a defining moment in my life and in my intimate relationships with women - I began to prefer to please a woman first and didn't care much if I get off. When I engage in real-life cunnilingus, for example, I imagine and identify with the woman giving the other woman head - sometimes, I identify with the woman on the receiving end.

Without this type of porn, I would not have joined the National Organization for Women nor become an active supporter of lesbian AND gay rights.

There are lots of men who share my overall attitude, even though they may not go as far in some of my public actions as I do.

I think it's GREAT that women are admitting their affection for b/b action. The ones who are open about it, I suspect, are enthusiastic supporters of lesbian and gay rights, although it would require a survey to confirm(or deny) my hunch.

Incrementally, this all will lead to a better world.

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How about...
Posted by: HeidiLockwood on Jan 29, 2006 3:39 AM   
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the 2 guys doing it on the stairs in "The Wedding Feast", or whatever that flick was called about the gay Chinese guy in SF who married his female artist buddy to satisfy his old-country parents, and then his pa turned out to be in the closet, too. And how about in "Wilde' when he does it with what's-his name the heartthrob on the couch? Just to name 2 knockout scenes. What it is is that when they're together they're so much more MALE than they can get away with when they're with women, - usually, that is. Did you see "A History of Violence", again, on the stairs? Geez Loueez.... But that's what that flick was about, not that any critic managed to pick up on it: women believe they don't like violence and are repelled by it, which is a lie, because the sense of a guy's POTENTIAL for violence is biologically and still in fact the biggest turn on of all.

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Watch out girl
Posted by: eastcoker on Feb 1, 2006 4:46 PM   
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Falling in love with gay men is a *very* dangerous thing. I don't recommend it *at all*. They can't love you back. It sounds like you like objectifying men the way men like objectifying women. That's not healthy. I wouldn't go there if I was you. Why not just enjoy the intellectual woman's porn and leave it at that. You think gay men want women watching them have sex? I doubt it. If they did, they would not be gay. That is the only point of being gay. They don't like women.

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Slashy and Proud
Posted by: Kym525 on Feb 3, 2006 8:36 AM   
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The issue here isn't the idea of women wanting to see two (or more) hot guys doing the wild thing. It goes much deeper than that (pardon the bad pun). What we have here is another glaring example of a sex-phobic culture that has as one of its fundamental tenets the fear of female sexual power. It's not just reproductive rights under attack, but women's desires and fantasies and language of sex. Pardon me, but it seems the sexual revolution kinda left women in the dust wondering 'huh'?

But never fear...women are taking control of their own sexual landscape in some interesting ways. There's e-publishers like Ellora's Cave who publish romantica and erotica. No, they're not rehashed Harlequins either. These books tap into many women's unspoken fantasies and do so fearlessly. Of course, there's the slash movement, which has been around since the days of the first Star Trek (though I'm still trying to understand what's so hot about James T. Kirk).

I'm a Lord of the Rings slash writer and very proud of my work. Yes, it's about guy bonding and hot guy sex (elf sex too) and all that, but it's also about freeing my mind of all the societal b.s. that says women shouldn't desire 'those kinds of things'.

Oh, I'm sure you all notice that men tend only to want lesbians as long as the lesbians in question adhere to their own standards of beauty. Very few men would ever watch dyke porn featuring diesel dykes, pregnant dykes or those who don't fit the ideal stereotype.

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Me, too!
Posted by: katrivers64 on Feb 3, 2006 1:31 PM   
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Thanks for writing this piece. This makes for much better reading than the shaved vag article. I love to watch two guys together, also. It's very hot. For years, my gay male friends thought I was a gay man trapped in a woman's body. Evidently, I'm fairly normal. Ah. Kathy

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Scott O'Hara is not a turn on
Posted by: eastcoker on Feb 3, 2006 6:16 PM   
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Ok Kym. I looked him up. Not. I think the whole appeal of Brokeback Mountain is the emotional intensity, not the gay porn star appeal. Kind of like The Piano Teacher. That obsessive possessive love. This is not about gay porn. This is a despotic all consuming love. And this move is about love, not sex.

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