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Readers Write: 'Child-free' or Just Cranky?

By Rachel Neumann, AlterNet. Posted January 30, 2006.


Our readers weigh in on whether or not you should have kids.

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They have more money and free Saturday nights, and they never have to deal with a sick baby waking up at 3 a.m., but those people who have chosen not to have children want something else: respect and, in some cases, not to have to their lives or their nice dinner conversations interrupted by children. Sarah Klein's article on the "child-free" movement -- a group of people who have chosen not to have kids and make that a key part of their identity -- drew a particularly heated response from our readers, with some well-thought-out discussion mixed with a lot of vying over the fruitless question of "who is more selfish."

Readers agreed that it's fine if people don't want to have kids. But they disagreed on how much people without children were missing out, who bore responsibility for kids that already existed, and whether there's any real political issue here at all. But is it OK to make a political issue of it?

Some of us, like Susanh, wonder if the whole idea of people without children "under attack" isn't just a tempest in a teapot, similar to the "war on Christmas." "Are the child-free really being victimized by the opinions of the late pope and like-minded busybodies?"

Some of those without children are also wary of turning their "child-free" status into a movement: "Group identification is not important to me, merely dealing with the realities of life," says Samantha Vines. And Saramarie, who chose not to have kids, just doesn't want to fight about it: "All I want to do is teach and spend my summers being a big kid and happy," she says.

Why does everything have to become a "movement?" Larraine asks. "As far as our society being "kid-centric," that's ridiculous. In fact it is far from it. We celebrate children when it is convenient."

Cielo also finds U.S. culture to be exceptionally child-unfriendly. "Lack of adequate public space in many places has made childhood for many seem like a shut-in lifestyle. Private property is off-limits for those wishing to explore nature. … But the most basic reason I feel it is so difficult for parents and children, even beyond horrid health care, is the expectation for one or two parents to take on all the burden of child raising. … As a 'child-free' person, I'd rather help out parents I know when I can and be a positive influence on their little ones than feel "persecuted" and spend time on another 'movement' of those who have time enough for such pursuits."

Bettsoff agrees: "You don't need to HAVE children to take part in educating and raising them."

But the point, according to some of the "child-free" folks, is they feel they're doing more than their share.

"If I don't even LIKE kids, why should I have to care for them?" Kat14 writes. If I wanted to do that, I'd HAVE one."

And Hiroe chimes in: "If a parent is unable to cope with the full responsibility of work plus kids, that isn't my problem."

But maybe it is. Midge reminds us of our codependence: "People who decide not to have children free up resources for the children of the people who do, and can contribute positively to the society in which the children grow up by contributing to education, health care, the government, arts and entertainment, and science with their money, time or career (of course, parents can make such contributions as well). Giving people the choice as to whether or not to have children ensures that, in many cases, the people who do have children really want it and have their hearts in it. In this way, parents, children and child-free adults can coexist quite peacefully."

And Ruby, who has been on both sides of the fence (first getting her tubes tied and then, years later, having it undone) has this balanced wisdom: "One cannot know the strong feelings for your children and the satisfaction unless you have them. … That said, I wouldn't expect someone to adopt a puppy just because I might like dogs. I applaud those who realize it's not for them and are honest about it."

Lunasol makes perhaps the most compelling rationale for why she's chosen not to have children: "Not having children gives me the opportunity to do more for my community than I could if I had them. I give what money I can to children's programs and scholarships. I happily pay higher taxes that will ensure better schools and benefits for children in the inner city where I live. I watch out for the kids on my street, babysit for neighbors and relatives, volunteer for programs for families. I adore children. And they don't have to be mine for me to love. That's what not having children has given me."


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If you're going to be child-free
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 30, 2006 6:41 AM   
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beware of "pro-lifers". The new "BIG BROTHER" might well PERsecute couples who don't have kids by automatically charging and even convicting them of having "abortions" even if there's nothing to back it up. Hint: It's similar to going to war with a country based on false "intelligence".

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The synopsis seems to me to show a majority agreement.
Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Jan 30, 2006 7:42 AM   
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At least on this site.

It's okay to have kids. It's okay not to have kids. It's important for adults as a whole to make the world a good place for future generations.

Mind you, the quote from me was a bit limited. I have been pressured on the bearing children issue, but I'm happy to say I'm sure enough of myself that it caused nothing but perhaps too strongly worded a rebuke from me. No second thoughts. No niggling self-doubt.
But there are things in my life I wish there was an option on. I've gazed longingly at senior communities. Sure, I'm only 36, and was younger when I was wishing the communities weren't age-discriminatory. I would enjoy a place with no loud outdoor parties and no driving through a street, rolling my window down to be sure all the children have stopped playing basketball in my driveway. I'd like a community that offered lawn service at a group rate because few residents are up to cutting their own lawn, and where the community pool is used for fitness workouts. I'm athmatic and have fibromyalgia, and up until I was perscribed a home nebulizer *felt* 60 years old. But I certainly wouldn't be considered frot he communities that appealed to me... because I was young, and might want kids.

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Kids and the future of a society
Posted by: xyz2002 on Jan 30, 2006 8:00 AM   
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Well this may be a natural way for a society to get its balance. It is normally that the more educated you are the less children you have so a society will not be populated with too many educated people and there are always enough people from the lower income portion of a society to provide the children-less people with the young labor to serve their needs.
If this is not the case how could all of the child-less people live when they are old, no matter how much money they have if there is no body there to serve them?

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The 7th Generation
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jan 30, 2006 8:57 AM   
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Thinking about having children today is just as complex as it was when my wife and I had ourin the early 70's. You have to ask yourself," Do I really feel comfortable bringing a child into this World where you can die just breathing the air? Where almost half of the drinking water is unsafe? Where the economy is so out of touch that I may spend more time away from my kids than with them?"
It does'nt matter how kind or child-friendly the daycare center is,it still does'nt make up for having a parent around 24/7.
Make no mistake, parenting is hard and sometime thankless work. In fact it's the hardest job on the Planet and not everyone can do it. Sure we can all procreate,it's a biological function,but that does'nt automatically make you 'good parent material'.
In the old days when families were closer, the Grandparents had an active role in raising the children. They had the time because Mom and Dad were about taking care of the family needs and building their relationship. We don't see that much today.
It is the hope of all People that the new ones comming up will forge a better way. That's why society keeps on keepin' on. The more rescent scares of sexual disease will do more to drop the birth rate than stop sex. The truth is, we need children. Psychologically and literally. To know that the cure for disease is a birth away,or the next great Peacemaker is turning 4 gives comfort. The fact that they are comming
cannot be ignored or stopped.
It is up to us,here and now, to make sure we educate the children in truth. So they too may pass on the wisdom of the Elders that balances the knowlege learned in the World.
We must plan our societies with the 7th generation that will follow in mind. We forgot that 150 yrs ago and now we have a poisoned pond. In the next 150,perhaps we can give that generation the Garden back.

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think about this
Posted by: constantreader on Jan 30, 2006 9:05 AM   
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Raising children is damn hard work, and maybe harder than it has to be. I think our society has become much less child-friendly than it was during my childhood in the 1960s. Children are much less free to run around and find their own friends and activities. Parents are expected to spend every minute outside of their jobs planning and carrying on activities to benefit the kids. Maybe many couples would change their minds if parents were able to enjoy both parenthood and some adult lives of their own, like previous couples in previous generations were permitted and encouraged to do.

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» RE: think about this Posted by: CovertRage
How strange!
Posted by: ScottP on Jan 30, 2006 10:14 AM   
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I had no idea I was "childfree" after 47 years on this planet, thanks for bringing me up to date! And there are groups for people like me to join, rather than just hanging around with recreational athletes and music lovers and co-workers. I guess it makes much more sense to hang out with people who don't like something you don't like than with people who like what you like. As far as the bible beaters, quit your job or move if you have to, asking them who Jesus would bomb doesn't help much.

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Just reviving the argument
Posted by: kww355 on Jan 30, 2006 11:24 AM   
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This column is just reviving an argument that cannot be solved.As a childfree woman, I respect the choice of people who want to reproduce. What I can't respect is the assumption that most parents make that I can "tune out" their screaming,misbehaving offspring.

Parents have lots of practice "tuning out" their children.I don't.( Ever been in a public place where a child is trying to get the parent's attention by repeating, "mommy,mommy,mommy" over and over?)

While I'm at it, when I go to a fast-food restaurant, a "family" place, or a kid's movie,I expect to encounter children. If I go to a "white tablecloth" restaurant or a PG or higher film, I do NOT. If your children can behave properly in public, bring 'em on !!! But if not, leave them at home. If you can afford a nice dinner or a movie, you can afford a babysitter. HIRE ONE !

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rosemarie jackowski
Posted by: rmj on Jan 30, 2006 11:27 AM   
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I have always believed that NO ONE should ever have a child unless they were prepared to devote 24/7 to him/her. Sometimes that is a necessity, if the child has health problems, for example. Parenthood is a sacred lifetime commitment. Too many people have children just as an accessory to their lifestyle. There is no shame in not having children. The shame is in having children and not being a good parent.

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» RE: rosemarie jackowski Posted by: Envi
Childless by choice
Posted by: churchofone on Jan 30, 2006 11:55 AM   
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It is difficult for a lot of people, particularly women, to understand that not reproducing was my choice, instead of a circumstance that 'happened' via infertility, divorce, etc. And when I try to explain my view that this decision was my own 'healthy selfishness', many times they are totally lost.

I didn't want the job of parenting. Period. I knew that it was a HUGE committment to which I simply did not want to devote my time and energy. And I also knew that it would not be 'fair' for me to bring a child into the world knowing that about myself. There was no point in taking on a job that I was unwilling to do.

Now that I've reached the end of my child-bearing years, I've married a man with three grown children and three grandchildren, who was raised in your typically traditional 1950s household where a woman was expected to marry and raise children. Both my mother-in-law and stepdaughter don't "get it" and have told me "But you would have made a wonderful mother!" I like to think I would have been a good mother, had I had the willingness to do so. Instead, I get the benefits of friendly relationships with adult children AND grandchildren. All this and a sound bladder, too!

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Re: "It's a kid's world"
Posted by: clonechemist on Jan 30, 2006 12:28 PM   
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I think a key issue this discussion raises is the evolution of how our society views and treats children. In a very real sense, I believe it is the insidious and expansive rise of marketing to children that has driven this cultural change in the last few decades.

The only motive of the capitalist society is to profit, and exploiting and exacerbating the anti-social traits in young children has shown to be extremely effective in that regard. How much harder is it for a parent today to instill values of restraint, moderation, humility, and selflessness in children when these children spend hours in front of the television, where ~13% of what they see is advertising appealing to the basest instincts in their developing minds?

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think globally
Posted by: lionhead on Jan 30, 2006 12:58 PM   
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Ruby came closest.

Can anyone on the planet for one second think beyond their individual bubble of concerns?

As I said in connection with another article on AlterNet, I cannot abide people who bring more people to take up space and create garbage on this planet while the planet is dying from overpopulation and the egregious effects of those self-centered procreators and their offspring who populated it and are still populating it.

If you can guarantee that you, yourself, are doing ALL you can to stop the degradation and death spiral of this gorgeous planet, and/or you can guarantee that your offspring will do this, go for it--procreate. Otherwise, I wish you would abstain.

Please procreate descriminately--not just on the basis of whether you love children or can't abide the way they get in the way of your self-centered existence, or geeze, certainly not by an accident, but rather on the basis of a considered and more global perspective.

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It's not the kids...
Posted by: sasha40 on Jan 30, 2006 3:32 PM   
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I am one of the "child-free" and my decision not to have kids has nothing to do with not liking children or wanting them around. I love children and do not even mind their sometimes bratty ways. I decided not to have kids because I didn't want to be a parent. I'd much rather stay on the cool, free-wheeling, interesting side of life (I know there are cool parents, but how many kids think so?), being a grown-up kid and demonstrating the possibility of growing up to be something other than a parent. The idea of "parent", to me, is loaded with societal expectations and judgments, horrendous compromises and endless drudgery. I appreciate what parents have to deal with, but for me, no thanks. I prefer to support my friends who have decided to reproduce, by being a great friend, support and example to their children. A childless adult friend is a wonderful thing for a kid: we have plenty of bandwidth for the young person as he perceives himself, without parental anxieties or hopes. I'll never regret my decision not to switch teams.
At the same time, for all the lip service we pay to "family values", I think parents get the shaft when it comes to health care, daycare and pretty much any other type of support. Perhaps if the pressures on parents were eased, the pressures on childless folk would, too.

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Hey brainiac...
Posted by: mysticpal on Jan 30, 2006 4:27 PM   
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A lot of us liberals had conservative parents! I know that'll make your head explode, but try to think about that between the next beatings you give your kids.

And ya know what else? All of us gays had straight parents! Amazing, huh?

But it's always nice to hear a conservative admit that the "pro-life" concern about abortion is a lot of hypocrisy and nonsense.

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» RE: Hey Sparky! Posted by: mysticpal
» RE: Hey Ayn! Posted by: patti_s
I child-proofed my home!
Posted by: mysticpal on Jan 30, 2006 4:19 PM   
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The little rascals can't get in! Ha ha. Seriously, have appreciated this debate very much. The only thing I feel compelled to add here is that, as one who once worked in a cubicle hell, "Dilbert" sort of office, I definitely thought the parents often took advantage of the childless, blithely assuming we could always work overtime if they couldn't. We had to be "creative" (i.e., lie) in order to get a break sometimes. But I realize business is not kid-friendly either.

I think most of us who are childless simply have serious doubts that we could be good parents. Possibly we are being too hard on ourselves.

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» bad track record, huh? Posted by: mysticpal
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Barbara
Posted by: Barbara on Jan 30, 2006 4:23 PM   
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I was fostered out for awhile as a child. Not because I was a bad kid, but because my mother was finding life very difficult finacially and emotionally.

I chose to have one child because I knew that I could provide for her even if I became divorced.
Interestingly enough, I was called selfish and told that I was depriving her of a playmate. Regardless of the fact that I was able to be with her, play, educate in a fun way, explore, etc.

I think that my friends resented the fact that I enjoyed having a child and was not under the same pressures that they were financially and time wise.

If we trust people to know themselves. To know what they are able and willing to provide for their children, then people would feel less pressured to have children. Or having more children than they can be happy with, financially and time wise. It's all about providing quality for our kids.

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It's not just a baby, it's a super consumer!
Posted by: granz on Jan 30, 2006 4:34 PM   
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I do not understand how any family (man/woman, woman/woman, man/man) who says they are environmentally active, responsible, or even conscience can willingly (I understand accidents happen to responsible hetero’s) bring a child into this world, not only is it a difficult world to live in but it is not environmentally responsible to have children. Each child will produce 200,000 pounds of trash, will consume 10M gallons of water, will drive 1/2 M miles, consume 20,000 gals of gas, they will want a house (99.9% not made of renewable resources or eco friendly) ……the list goes on and on. I understand the biological desires to reproduce and I understand why we needed to reproduce years ago but now it is irresponsible to reproduce. We need to concentrate on consuming less and creating less.

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I'm childfree,but...
Posted by: kww355 on Jan 30, 2006 4:51 PM   
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Ok,so you don't reproduce because it screws up the planet. So whaddya end up with? A pristine planet with NO PEOPLE ???

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» RE: I'm childfree,but... Posted by: granz
» RE: Pristine Planet Posted by: granz
» RE: Pristine Planet Posted by: YogiBear
Child Free
Posted by: bookwoman on Jan 31, 2006 3:40 PM   
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There are a few things I would not not have done in my life. One is marry my second husband; another is to not have had my children. I was a bit of a child free person back in the '60s' when it was not the style. However, at the age of 25, I realized that I really wanted children and went ahead and had them. I have never been sorry.

However, children do not belong in restaurants after seven o'clock. They should be home in bed. They also do not belong at adult cocktail parties or dinner. Don't ask - your hostess will be in a difficult position, not wanting to alienate you and not wanting to have her party ruined. I have a whole list of places where no one's children belong. I think, for instance, that churches should create "children's church services" perhaps bringing children into the regular service during the last few minutes of the service. No one's children are as cute and clever as their parents think they are.

I would, however, suggest that "child free" advocates not do anything permanent to themselves until they are absolutely sure they don't ever want children and make sure this is a decision that they really want and not something they are agreeing to to keep their spouse quiet.

One last thought, think where you would be if you parents had wanted to be "child free".

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