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Why Hillary Won't Save Us

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted January 23, 2006.


If Democrats in Washington haven't got enough sense to own the issue of political reform, I give up on them entirely.
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I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for president.

Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone. This is not a Dick Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.

The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a long, long time unlearning, so now I have to relearn it. It's about political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief.

If no one in conventional-wisdom politics has the courage to speak up and say what needs to be said, then you go out and find some obscure junior senator from Minnesota with the guts to do it. In 1968, Gene McCarthy was the little boy who said out loud, "Look, the emperor isn't wearing any clothes." Bobby Kennedy -- rough, tough Bobby Kennedy -- didn't do it. Just this quiet man trained by Benedictines, who liked to quote poetry.

What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60 percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes. The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits tax. That is the center, you fools. Who are you afraid of?

I listen to people like Rahm Emanuel superciliously explaining elementary politics to us clueless naifs outside the Beltway ("First, you have to win elections"). Can't you even read the damn polls?

Here's a prize example by someone named Barry Casselman, who writes, "There is an invisible civil war in the Democratic Party, and it is between those who are attempting to satisfy the defeatist and pacifist left base of the party and those who are attempting to prepare the party for successful elections in 2006 and 2008."

This supposedly pits Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, emboldened by "a string of bad news from the Middle East into calling for premature retreat from Iraq," versus those pragmatic folk like Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Joe Lieberman.

Oh come on, people -- get a grip on the concept of leadership. Look at this war -- from the lies that led us into it to the lies they continue to dump on us daily.

You sit there in Washington so frightened of the big, bad Republican machine that you have no idea what people are thinking. I'm telling you right now, Tom DeLay is going to lose in his district. If Democrats in Washington haven't got enough sense to own the issue of political reform, I give up on them entirely.

Do it all, go long, go for public campaign financing for Congress. I'm serious as a stroke about this -- that is the only reform that will work, and you know it, as well as everyone else who's ever studied this. Do all the goo-goo stuff everybody has made fun of all these years: Embrace redistricting reform, electoral reform, House rules changes, the whole package. Put up, or shut up. Own this issue, or let Jack Abramoff politics continue to run your town.

Bush, Cheney and Co. will continue to play the patriotic bully card just as long as you let them. I've said it before: War brings out the patriotic bullies. In World War I, they went around kicking dachshunds on the grounds that dachshunds were "German dogs." They did not, however, go around kicking German shepherds. The minute someone impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means.

That, or you could just piss on them elegantly, as Rep. John Murtha did. Or eviscerate them with wit (look up Mark Twain on the war in the Philippines). Or point out the latest in the endless "string of bad news." Do not sit there cowering and pretending the only way to win is as Republican-lite. If the Washington-based party can't get up and fight, we'll find someone who can.

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Molly Ivins writes about politics, Texas and other bizarre happenings.

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The Donkey is DOA.
Posted by: IfTheyMoveKillEm on Jan 23, 2006 1:12 AM   
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Well said, Molly. It is suicide to get behind Hillary in '08, she will never get elected. The Democratic Party needs to start being winners, and not just in elections, but in arguments. We're tired of Lieberman and Clinton and some of the other careerists who never take a stand. The country wants the Bushies out, it's up to the Dems to sweep the place clean. Witness our rolling over and playing dead on Alito. Frist called him "the democrats' worst nightmare" --- and still Californian senators (California!!!) refuse to consider a filibuster. What's wrong? We need people with passion and commitment and brains running our party, not, as you said< Bush Lite. Who will save our pathetic little party?

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Thank You, Molly Ivins
Posted by: Larkrise on Jan 23, 2006 1:20 AM   
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It is with deepest appreciation that I thank Molly Ivins for telling the Democrat Party what they need to hear and heed. They have shown incredible weakness in the face of extreme adversity. My goodness, they sound like Neville Chamberlain. Let's all send them umbrellas! How can they expect to be considered the loyal opposition, when they are seemingly unable to oppose, with any fortitude, corruption, a war based on lies, illegal spying, extremist judges, and the list goes on and on. The rich get richer, the middle class is losing ground daily, and the poor are forgotten, left to drowned. This country has become a nightmare under the far-right Bush administration and a far-right dominated Congress. We need men and women of courage and conviction to step up to the plate and oppose the destruction of Democracy in THIS country. The Dems cower and whimper in a corner, fearful of offending the powers-that-be, even apologizing to them! I'm with Molly. I wouldnt vote for Hillary Clinton if she personally begged me to do so. She and Evan Bayh and all the self-serving 'centrists' can take their phoney-baloney and stuff it. They are too entrenched with the corporate fat-cats to stick their necks out and champion the truth. They would do well to listen to Molly and try a bit of her spit and fire, instead of wringing their fish-cold hands and straddling the fence.

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Hillory Dillory Dock
Posted by: Ottomatic on Jan 23, 2006 2:38 AM   
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Hillory Dillory Dock
Clinton watched the clock
As the bombs rained down
In Washington Town
She Waiting out the clock

Standing on the sidelines
Cheering for the Troops
Avoiding any Blow Back
She stands committed

As
The Media waits
With Bated Breath
Reviling in the
Stench of death
For someone else to
Annihilate.

Swift Gloats
Attack Dog
Fauxtian
Borg
Rovian
Politics.

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Damn right!
Posted by: kgs1947 on Jan 23, 2006 2:58 AM   
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You're right on the mark, Molly. Impeach Bush, wipe the slate clean, and introduce an independent candidate for the presidency of this country. The Democrats hold no hope for our country as the Republicans take us down a slippery path of self-destruction. We need a movement on the streets to bring attention to the lies of both parties.

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oldgringo
Posted by: oldgringo on Jan 23, 2006 3:04 AM   
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MOLLY is as on target as it gets!What was the name of the Big Dog in the Senate who lost his job to a fascist hack from Dakota because he was living in the "Clinton Past"? Why didn't the DNC fight over the Gore thing in 2000, with the then PRESIDENT CLINTON leading the way? And on, and on, and ON! Again I say TO HELL WITH THE BELTWAY GANG OF MEALLY MOUTH LETS MAKE A DEALERS, and for sure NO MORE CLINTONS, ZEN MILLERS, BIDENS, LIEBERMAN,etc.!

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GOP wants Hillary to run!
Posted by: teknozen on Jan 23, 2006 3:14 AM   
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another reason-- perhaps more fundamental- for not supporting HRC:

for better or worse, the right spent millions over many years to paint HRC as an evil person... talk radios all over the Midwest, West and South assailed her nightly for years, and still do. she is despised by millions of people, and uninformed as they may be, they vote).

is it wise for a party that has failed to win for over a decade nominate a candidate that could never carry the South and has an embedded base of detractors in the millions, including a significant % of progressive democrats?

the GOP would love to see HRC as the Democratic candidate.

--Allan

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The only way I'd vote for Hillary is if she and her DLC buddies...
Posted by: Linette on Jan 23, 2006 3:19 AM   
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...read and understood James Kroeger's The Republican Nemesis. They think being "centrist" is the whole thing, but they just don't understand what the Republicans have been doing to us. We can't let them get away with it any longer.

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Why I'm not A Democrat Anymore
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 23, 2006 3:39 AM   
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If the democrats are stupid enough to give Hillary Clinton the nomination next year, they deserve everything that happens to them. She should not even be renominated for her senate seat this year - how's THAT for moxie? As Ronald Reagan once said - for entirely different reasons, trust me on this one - "I didn't desert the democratic party. They deserted me"

The final straw for me with respect to Mrs. Clinton was her utterly shameless, transparent pandering to the right-wing by supporting a flag burning amendment. As any 1st semester consitutional student will tell you, you amend the constitution by increasing freedom, not limiting it. That's why prohibition was such an insanely bad idea. If Hillary is not smart enough to figure this out, she shouldn't be representing us here in New York state, let alone as President of the United States.

The democrats better wake the fuck up if they know what's good for them.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
tomdegan@frontiernet.net

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Right On!
Posted by: CyberKat on Jan 23, 2006 3:42 AM   
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To bring back a term from my generation - Right on Molly!

We do have someone who fits the bill, but the rest of the cowardly Dems are afraid of him. His name is Howard Dean.

He showed passion in the face of a defeat and they called him crazy. He said the war was wrong from the beginning and they shyed away from him. "Oh no - we don't know that man. He has nothing to do with us." Even though they named him head of the DNC (to get him out of the way) - they still pretend not to know him when he speaks out.

Draft Dean in '08!

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Just Bush puppets
Posted by: candara on Jan 23, 2006 3:56 AM   
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Yes, Molly!! I signed on to start a Hillary campaign where I live. Then I noticed her hubby being trotted out every time Bush got in trouble. I couldn't help but be concerned about the BushClinton hurricane katrina effort, etc. Urging citizens to pick up where they didn't bother to go. And I thought "what kind of democrat would come to the aide of Bush, in (one of) his lowest, most vile moments"? Apparently, the same people who pushed Kerry, who basically handed the presidency over to Bush. Using silence. But, I blame the democrats, too. And, I don't understand them allowing the media to talk them into abandoning Dean. I know, he committed the horrible crime of getting passionate about his beliefs. So the dem's backed up Kerry who wasn't passionate enough. Then ended up with a pres. who's committed true horrors. I think the whole Clinton group is a bunch of greedy republicans in Democratic clothing, and unless we stop allowing the media to encourage us to abandon various candidates, we'll just have the Republican's vs. the Republican's. -Chandra

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Two Points
Posted by: anothername on Jan 23, 2006 4:13 AM   
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A. Vote for whom you support, not for someone you think somebody else might vote for in order to defeat Republicans. John Kerry won the Iowa caucus, just as Shannon O'Brien won the Massachusetts nomination for governor over Robert Reich, not because he spoke to the heart of Iowans but because Iowans thought other people would vote for him. The result was a candidate that many Democrats and Independents across America had a hard time accepting as a presidential choice.

B. Jeanette Rankin voted against World War because she felt she owed it to women. Hillary Clinton supported giving authority for Iraq to Bush because she wanted to protect presidential authority as a practice. Rodham Clinton needs to remember why she had so much support from Democrats. It was because she wanted universal healthcare. It was because she was more liberal than her husband. By moving away from the issues and positions that drew interest from many Americans, she has transformed herself into a politician that is unappealing to many Democrats and Independents. More importantly, loyal Republicans are going to vote for Republicans, just as loyal Democrats will vote for Democrats, regardless of how many Republican positions Rodham Clinton accepts as her own.

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The Democrats Are Done
Posted by: theskywolf on Jan 23, 2006 4:19 AM   
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I'm very happy to see someone of the stature of Molly Ivins point out the fallacies of the Democrat Party.

Some of us knew 30 years ago that unless someone took the reigns of power and guided it away from the mean spirited, counter-productive fascists in both Parties, we would end up fighting for our very lives.

Some of us knew 10 years ago it was over for the Democrats. Bill Clinton, perhaps the best Republican President we've ever had, was doing everything he thought he could get away with for the corporatocracy. He set the stage for PNAC's take over.

Some of us knew six years ago that our worst fears had been realized: That the Demorats had completely sold out since Al Gore stood there like a whipped puppy and let the Republican arm of the corporatocracy run over the Democrats.

And some of us knew to get involved with the Green Party and start building.

Inspite of some "Progressives" turning tail and running, the Greens are still alive and refusing to serve the corporate masters. Greens are the revolution. The Democrats are done.

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What kind of courage does it take?
Posted by: afrothetics on Jan 23, 2006 4:32 AM   
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Molly Ivins,
Well stated summary of the landscape and fantastic wisdom! There have been voices of reason saying it since Eugene McCarthy -- the democrats do not represent the soul of America! The Party has always practiced exclusionism to the demise of democracy. Witness Chicago 1968!

The people who put the ball into play, unfortunately, were the repubrats. The good news is that those southern dixiecrats, who were national conservatives anyway, deserted the party and showed their true colors. However, some still remain in other guises to undermine our freedoms.

The democrats have only tweaked the system, not pumped new lifeblood into it. To change means not only campaign reform, but also local state and ward reform.

So, who will fill the vacuum? There are third parties already established in all 50 states. We need a call for a national convention to unite all 3rd parties to form a mature and united front to make any change in the present political economy. Some labor unions are ahead of the politicians. Let's get them involved.

The only clear voice standing in WDC is Rep. Conyers of Michigan and no one is campaigning on his behalf for President for some of the same old reasons! He can't get elected because he's Black. Divide and conquer cannot be the order of the day. As you say, we need truth, courage, and perserverance, not skin tone and gender.

Let's do it. Who will make the call?

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hoscot
Posted by: hoscot on Jan 23, 2006 4:46 AM   
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Hillary Clinton is Nevil Chamberiain in skirts.

You can sign away your freedom with the stroke of a pen, but it takes blood to win it back.

When the chips are down, will she behave like a true American, or will she quisling it? Judging by the patterns of her behavior till now, I suspect the latter. Five years of George Bush have shown the Democratic Party "leadership" to be a balloon tiger, deflating completely every time a Republican Boss puts a lit cigar to their rumps.

Unfortunately, there is no time to start up a new party, so we must try replacement therapy. The crucial fight will therefore be in the primaries. Oh, if only young, vibrant, people with fresh ideals and fighting guts and can be induced to run against these quivering jellyfish who are presently our stable of collaborating, opportunistic Democratic incumbents, wretched beings whose only beliefs and political stance are determined by the results of the latest polls, maybe then can we still save our nation from this enroaching fascisim!

As a veteran of World War 2, who joined the American Veteran's Committee (http://www.usmm.net/avc-mast45.html) right after my discharge from the USAAF, I feel betrayed by this 60's generation of grown up flower children.

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Get the Tigers!
Posted by: youcould2 on Jan 23, 2006 4:48 AM   
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Someone already mentioned that there was a guy in 2004 who was telling it like it is --- Howard Dean! Let's let him out of the closet and tell him to get busy doing what he knows is right.

Then, don't forget, there was another guy in 2004 who never wavered for one second on saying what the Democrats really need to be saying and doing -- his name was Dennis Kucinich -- remember him?

Of course, all of us so-called Democrats didn't think either one of these guys was worth carrying into the White House.

Maybe it's time we started to think again -- huh?

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BitcoDavid
Posted by: BitcoDavid on Jan 23, 2006 4:48 AM   
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Thank you for that article. It's about time someone reminded us of Hillary's fence sitting, pandering, business as usual politics.

I would like to point out, however, that there is an issue of greater significance to all Democrats looming in our near future. The mid-term elections. This is the year! Right now, not two years from now. Even if we won the presidency back in '08, we couldn't effect any noticeable change if the Congress remains under Republican control. Conversely, were we to loose the Presidential election again, their new man would be hobbled by our House and Senate.

No more Roberts' or Alito's, no more tax cuts for the rich, none of it.

Think of what a change that would bring about in the current White House. The arrogance, secrecy and lies would dry up over night!

So get out there and vote. Vote in local elections. Vote for Dog Catcher and School Janitor. Our government works by representation at the state and local level, not by representation at the Federal Executive level. We can do much more to stop Bush, and future Republicans like him, by voting in mid-term elections.

We only need a handful of seats. If we can take back the House, for instance, we take back control of the Treasury. They can make any laws they want, but we would decide if those laws got funded or not. Likewise, if we won control of the Senate alone, we'd have control over the major legislative body in Congress. Of course, if we could take them both, as well as everything else, we'd almost certainly win the '08 battle, anyway.

Well, that's my sermon for the day,

Peace Out.

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Hillary is pandering
Posted by: bwbrenton on Jan 23, 2006 5:06 AM   
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Hillary has not become a centrist, she is still a liberal at heart. Her cloak that she wears these days is simply a calculated move to show herself as a leader who can represent the multitude of the masses, not just the base. I am confident that if she was elected she would revert, in many ways, to the Hillary of 1993 who so boldly stepped into the first lady role. Now, that doesn't mean we should support her, just that she is playing a role to do what she thinks needs to be done. Enter Molly...

We don't need someone who is completely calculating at every juncture, as Molly points out. We need a true leader to step up. Someone with courage and vision, someone who still brings their own ideas to the table. The polls show that a candidate who is a true progressive would do well, given that they get their message out in the right way. How difficult is it for the Feingolds and Deans of the world to take notice of this and develop an effective strategy? My guess is not too difficult, and I have faith that someone will emerge to take the true lead fo this party. We'll see soon enough... 2006 will be a very telling year.

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Elascu
Posted by: FairFight on Jan 23, 2006 5:33 AM   
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I cast my vote for Molly Ivins!

It has been with deep disappointment that I have sat around waiting for the Dems to drop the hammer on the self-serving antics of the GOP!

Each day, new revelations give rise to my thinking "Ah hah, now we're going to see some action!" But, that day passes without the slightest unanimous whimper from the Democratic leadership.

Investigations should be flying all over the place about election frauds, 9/11 and WMD intelligence inadequacies, HALIBURTON'S no-bid contracts in Iraq and New Orleans, Congressional malfeasance; and, the list continues to grow.

How much more ammunition do the Dems need before they will get off the fence and take a stand? If there was ever a time for a third political party, that time is NOW!

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"... and the Dems continue to let the GOP hide in and use that refuge as a shield and a weapon against Democracy.

If the Democrats aren't careful, they're going to fool around and see another Bush-ite take the election in 2008.

THANK YOU MOLLY!

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Sandra
Posted by: samoffat on Jan 23, 2006 5:53 AM   
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Thank you, Molly I, for your comments about democratic leadership, lack of same, desperate need for same - and now I KNOW I am in good company in being anti Hillary - she is AWFUL and a disgrace to herself, the party and the country.
Are there no Independents out there ready & willing to offer inspired leadership, to articulate what so many of us crave in orer to save this beset country from fascism?

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rmjustice
Posted by: rmjustice on Jan 23, 2006 6:25 AM   
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molly is right on as usual!
Last year, during the democratic presidential campaign, i lucked into a chance to shake the hand of John Edwards during a fundraising visit to my hometown.
As he made his way to me, i looked him square in the eye, smiled, shook his hand firmly and excitedly blurted, "Give 'em HELL, John!" He chuckled. But i was SERIOUS! Immediately, a reporter from Newsweek, ran over to ask me if i thought the Dems were not fighting hard enough.
My friend next to me jumped in and said, "No they're not!" and elaborated what many of us feel. I agreed.
To my disgust, as the weeks followed, i watched Senator Kerry decline to respond when "Bubba Dub" baited him with obserdities like, "I am the environmental President." during the last two debates. That comment and many more like it were PERFECT opportunities to hang the beast out to dry! But no. Our candidates chose to bite their tongue rather than risk being momentarily politically incorrect during!

If the Dems really want to play to the middle, they could take off the satin gloves and really get some real debate going. Nobody, especially the millions of middle and working-class stiffs of this beleagured nation, supports a mealy-mouthed, politically correct, dispassionate coward! The time is ripe for candidates that can INSPIRE folks to get off their sofas, turn off CSI and do something to make the change we all so desperately crave!

I speak from nothing but real experience. I was the one of poor slobs that spent most of my free time volunteering to canvass my city for'04 races. Unless I lucked out and visited a home of a hard line democrat, I had very little success convincing the regular folk to line up behind my candidates. They identified with the phony, "good ol boy" persona first, then made the dangerous decision to support him later.
It takes great COURAGE to SPEAK OUT aginst overt LIES, when you know that doing so may result in a moment of unpopularity. However, folks really, really respect you when you make the difficult decision to do so. If what you're saying is the real TRUTH, the people will get behind you. But, it has to be simple enough for the masses to identify with. Most folks I encountered didn't really know much beyond the political infommercials that flooded the prime-time breaks. Why? Because to them, that was the most entertaining part of the campaign. How sad.

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» RE: rmjustice Posted by: candara
Lane Cameron
Posted by: lanecameron@sbcglobal.net on Jan 23, 2006 6:25 AM   
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Give 'em hell Molly!
It's beyond me why someone (Dem, Repub, Ind.) can't stand up and take control of the issues. Where's are backbone!?! Al Gore gave an interesting speech
on Martin Luther King Day. He called on congress as a whole to stand up to this president. When he debated Bush during his run at the presidency his command of the issues was obvious. If not for his heavy sighing we may have had a different outcome. Which brings me to part of the problem.
Until this president Americans seemed not to be interested in looking beyond the sound bites. George Bush "The every mans man." He came off as someone we could understand, a man who loved baseball, Nascar, and mountain biking. Foreign policy, working with congress, an understanding of the world and how it works, all nonsense, leave that for the politicians. Bush understands me and what I need.
Now, after 5 years with Bush at the wheel where are we? We live in a divided world with more hate and mistrust directed at the US than I've ever seen in my lifetime. I'm hopeful, however, that with all the info out on this president our country will begin to take an interest in something other than video games and Super bowl weekend. Perhaps the legacy of George Bush will be how he taught a nation to take back its government.
PS. If George and the NSA are listening good for you. I'f you'd like to talk give me a call. There's more where this came from.

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Lack of leadership of democrats
Posted by: Jean Jearman on Jan 23, 2006 6:26 AM   
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I read recently that the democratic party is governed by a central group who represent the wishes of Isreal. Just watch Joe Leiberman and observe his support of the Iraq attack and ongoing occupation and is now supporting another attack on Iran. Look who the neocons in the administration are. Most have ties to Isreal and many of the Republican and Democrats have duel citizenship in America and Israel. Are both parties controlled by the Israeli's? Why did we allow the Mossad's, Isreal's CIA, who were dancing and cheering while filming the Twin Towers emplosion on 9/11, return to Isreal?
Vote all the democrats and republicans out of office because it is obvious none of them represent the citizens of the United States. Corrupt scum, the lot of them.

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AbnStranger
Posted by: AbnStranger on Jan 23, 2006 6:25 AM   
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Molly Ivins is RIGHT ON! This has needed to be said so badly and she has said it so well. If the people of New York want Hillary for a Senator, fine. But for national leadership and Democratic Party realization of what the majority of citizens want for change, progress and constructive solutions to problems, we need Howard Dean, John Conyers, Molly Ivins, and the other inspiring, daring and creative folks. 'Got Guts?' Turn to the Black Caucus, progressive leadership, independent thinkers who seek solutions and not labels. Once and for all, let's drop the lame-ass 'me too', Demi-Pubs like Hillary ---a discredit to her ovaries! There are far, far better women speaking out in the political arena. Let's give _them_ media coverage and back them for progressive change! Thanks, Molly! -from a woman vet and lover of courage.

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if the people of Bolivia can do it, why can't we?
Posted by: reugen on Jan 23, 2006 6:33 AM   
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if the people of Bolivia can do it, why can't we?

we have much better communications and more dollars to throw towards creative and electable candidates who will fiannly do sane things like cut defense spending, fund life enhancing projects versus projects which support a well connected chosen few.

Mike Bloomberg ran as a republican because it takes too much time and money to get on the ballot as an independent candidate.

labels don't matter. If there 's no republican or democrat running in a district, someone should run on a platform of putting people first. Call it reform to make it sound good, but the key is to take advantage of a political system filled with seigneurial rights which protect the status quo.

Dems are already the whigs but they just don't know it. must the rest of us be dragged down with Nancy, HRC, Harry and Chuckie Schumer?

must we wait five hundred years to claim our government?

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dw13
Posted by: shula weiner on Jan 23, 2006 6:36 AM   
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Hey Molly! Couldn't agree more. One thing though. Would it be useful to devote some good investigative attention to how the Party got into the sorry state it seems to be in? Maybe touching on some of William Greider's points in Who Will Tell the People? Like maybe there really is no organization that could be called a democratic-party-of-the-people? Like maybe its just the DLC (puppets of the ruling class?) and journalists? Nobody else really in the game? Which would mean that yelling at the DLC won't do much good. Its gonna require a whole different approach. Any chance you might be willing to comment on this?

Somehow, it seems to me that merely expressing passion, rage, great hype just distract us that much more, when what we really need is to strategize. Your article is a great beginning. Can you take the next step?

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There are times when regular politics will not do, and this is one of those times.
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jan 23, 2006 6:35 AM   
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It is time for a new approach. We the voters must face the truth. We have plenty of evidence but refuse to connect the dots and reveal the harsh, painful truth. Neither the Democratic party nor the Republicans represent the people. Our votes only decide which party will do the will of the rich and powerful.

Ending the war, reforming campaign funding, providing health care, and every issue that Ms. Ivins and the majority of voters want, will not happen. Hillary won't save us and neither will any other "Democrat". The reason is that both parties are owned by the corporatocracy. The Democrats will not do anything that will cross the agenda of the rich and powerful establishment

We have to save ourselves. We have to tell both parties that we will no longer play their game of good cop/bad cop. We will no longer vote for the lesser evil. We will not vote for a candidate who does not support the views that we, the majority, dictate.

A third party is not the answer. We don't have time to build an organization. We must take control before the 2006 election, We need a massive grassroots movement that says to both parties, "our way or the highway."
It can be done. If each voter writes to the national and state party campaign headquarteres of both, parties and tells them his/her most important issue and tells them that he/she will not vote for any candidate who does not support this issue. And tell them that if neither party supporsts his/her issue he/she will cast a protest vote for "Honest Abe".

The Lincoln Initiative web page provides sample letters that you can tailor to your own issue and the addresses of the campaign headquarters. The Lincoln Initiative is a non-partisan movement, not an orgnization. There are no leaders, no contributions, no registration, no meetings, no marches, no hassle. Fight the revolution from the comfort of your own home. Click on join up

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» RE: Honest Abe? can you explain... Posted by: Lincoln fan
The Senator is an ignorant power hungry opportunist
Posted by: eileenflmng on Jan 23, 2006 6:38 AM   
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Nov. 2005 Rev. Dr. Mitri Raheb of Christmas Church in Bethlehem wrote

"Your comment that the Wall “is not against the Palestinian people… [it] is against terrorists” is deeply offensive in its ignorance and glossy portrayal of the effects of Israeli policy in the West Bank...the Wall is affecting the daily life of every Palestinian person, not only in our town but throughout the West Bank. The Wall is less about security than it is about colonizing land and controlling its indigenous population. It is designed to allow maximum expansion for Israeli settlements (which are unequivocally illegal under international law) and minimal space for Palestinian towns and villages to grow or even draw their livelihood. The Wall is limiting Bethlehem to an area of about 6 square miles, while the settlements which surround us continue to expand on stolen Palestinian land. After taking such a courageous standpoint in 1998, why are you suddenly abandoning international law, the consensus of the international community, Christian notions of justice and reconciliation, and the American values of freedom and dignity which you have sworn to uphold?
...while you had Bethlehem in the background of the publicity photos, you had certain of your constituents in New York in the forefront of your mind...you will be singing “O Little Town of Bethlehem.” [and have ]declared your support for transforming our “little town” into a big, open-air prison, leaving no green space for our children to play or our olive trees to grow."

more on WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org

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Absolutely NO to Hilary Clinton!!!
Posted by: custersbud on Jan 23, 2006 6:42 AM   
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Molly does it again. I completely agree; the wuss Hilary Clinton should NOT be the Democratic nominee in '08, unless the blowhards currently "running" (and I use the word loosely) have it as their goal to permanently destroy the party. Hilary represents all that's bad about our current culture; fence straddling, offending no-one by never taking a definitive stand for or against anything, unless it's to stop the non-occurances of flag burning. She would however offend every conservative, or those leaning toward conservatism, and they'd come out in droves to vote for her opponent, although I believe there are more of us than "them". Hopefully, the good folks of New York (I'm a native NYer) will come to their senses, and select an independent candidate to represent them in the Senate, post-'06, so Hilary becomes a part of history.

As a Democratic Party Precinct Chair, I will resign from the party, and will not support our nominee if it's Hilary. Just being Bill Clinton's wife won't cut it! We need demonstated leadership, such as that displayed by Wes Clark.

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Why are the democrats acting this way?
Posted by: saywhat? on Jan 23, 2006 6:48 AM   
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Why didn't she vote against the war? I just don't get it. The public wants change.
What are they thinking?

And why did we get a greeting from bin laden this week to the jest of the press?

These people are so out of touch and some are really goofy, like emanuel. he's an embarassment to IL.

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Hilary
Posted by: rafey on Jan 23, 2006 6:53 AM   
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I'm with you. Either they are completely out of touch with their constituents are they have been bought, like the GOP. Looks like third party for me this time, though I never though I would hear myself say that !

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