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Battlefield Iraq

By Terrence McNally, AlterNet. Posted January 20, 2006.


Combat veterans Sean Huze, Paul Rieckhoff and Jimmy Massey discuss the truth -- and the lies -- about the war in Iraq.
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Park City, Utah, is a long way from Baghdad. The four Iraq war veterans attending the Sundance Film Festival, which starts this weekend, are probably more comfortable in combat boots than Ugg boots, but they hope their presence will help promote "The Ground Truth," a documentary directed by Patricia Foulkrod in which they appear. Two of those vets, Paul Rieckhoff and Sean Huze, recently joined a third, Jimmy Massey, to talk with interviewer Terrence McNally about their experiences in Iraq.

As a corporal in the Marines, Sean Huze participated in the March 2003 invasion of Iraq with the 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion. Huze was awarded a Certificate of Commendation citing his "courage and self-sacrifice throughout sustained combat operations" while in Iraq. After returning to the United States, he starred in his debut as a playwright, "The Sand Storm: Stories from the Front." His third play, "The Dragon Slayer," which focuses on PTSD, will premiere in Los Angeles in March.

Paul Rieckhoff enlisted in the U.S. Army Reserves on Sept. 15, 1998. In early 2003, he was assigned as platoon leader for the 3rd Platoon, B Company, 3/124th INF (Air Assault) FLNG, and spent approximately 10 months in Iraq. Third Platoon conducted over 1,000 combat patrols; all 38 men in Rieckhoff's platoon returned home alive. In June 2004, Rieckhoff founded Operation Truth -- now called Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) -- along with a couple of other veterans, some volunteers and massive credit-card debt.

Jimmy Massey, a co-founder of Iraq Veterans Against the War, is a former staff sergeant in the United States Marine Corps. He was a boot camp instructor at Parris Island, S.C., and a Marine recruiter before fighting in the Iraq war and was honorably discharged in December 2003 after 12 years of service. His autobiography, "Kill, Kill, Kill," was recently published in France. Ron Harris, a reporter for the St. Louis Dispatch, once embedded with the Marines in Iraq, claims Massey has lied or exaggerated his accounts of atrocities in Iraq. The controversy was recently a cover story in Marine Corps Times.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: Sean Huze, when and why did you enlist?

SEAN HUZE: I enlisted in the United States Marine Corps in response to the September 11th attacks in 2001. The following day I went to the Marine Corps recruiting office at Sunset and La Brea, and told them I wanted to be in the infantry. I deployed with Second Light Armor Reconnaissance Battalion for Kuwait in February of 2003, and we were part of the initial invasion in March.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: When you went to Iraq, did you believe that the invasion was part of the response to September 11th?

SEAN HUZE: I don't know that I actually believed that it was a response to September 11th. I did believe that Iraq was a credible threat. Polls at the time show that about 90 percent of Americans believed that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction, believed that Iraq posed a threat not only to its neighbors but possibly to us. I was part of that 90 percent. I like to say I was part of the 10 percent of that 90 percent who'll admit it now.

It all comes down to weapons of mass destruction, for me. And they weren't there. Dick Cheney's going around accusing all of us of being revisionist now. But if you're trying to say that the war in Iraq was about anything other than WMD, that's revisionism. I don't care how many times Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, whoever, says that this war was about anything other than WMD, or that we were given a justification or rationale other than WMD.

I've got a long memory, and it was only a couple of years ago. I know why I was sent to Iraq; I know why I went to war. And when that proved to be false, I think that's when we lost our credibility and our world standing. And ultimately we're in a quagmire right now.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: Your play, "Sand Storm," how did that happen?

SEAN HUZE: "Sand Storm" was born out of a lot of personal pain. From talking to other veterans. Everything that makes you a functional and healthy individual amongst society are all detriments in a combat zone, and it takes a while to decompress from that. You kind of go numb.

It's not like two armies went out there on a battlefield. This war was fought in an urban environment amongst the civilian population, and ultimately it is that civilian population that has paid the heaviest toll. It's difficult as a husband and as a father to reconcile who I was over there with some of the things that I saw. I mean, a dead child on the side of the road in Nasiriyah, about the same age as my son right now. And how unfeeling I was at the time about it, with who I am now, how I feel about it now.

Writing a play and putting these feelings on to characters was a safe way for me to start the road home. It's been well-received, and I'm really grateful for that.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: Paul Rieckhoff, why did you enlist?

PAUL RIECKHOFF: I enlisted in 1998 because I wanted to serve. My father had been drafted during Vietnam, and my grandfather spent a few years in the South Pacific during World War II. They weren't exactly thrilled about their experiences, but they definitely grew as people and instilled in me a sense of honor and a need to serve my country. When I graduated from college it was definitely an unusual path to choose. This was before 9/11. I felt that just because I didn't have to serve didn't mean that I shouldn't serve.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: You graduated from a fairly elite college, yes?

PAUL RIECKHOFF: Yes, I went to Amherst.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: So it wasn't like the guy next to you was following you down to the recruitment center.

PAUL RIECKHOFF: No, I remember having a conversation with the president of the college, and he couldn't comprehend why I would ever consider joining the military. All my colleagues and friends were going to Wall Street or law school or into consulting. But it was something I really wanted to do. I didn't feel that I could attain the same skills and leadership abilities anywhere else. That really fueled my passion to join the military. There was also a sense of adventure. I think ultimately it came down to either joining the Peace Corps or joining the military. And to be honest with you, in the military you get to ride around in tanks and blow stuff up, and jump out of buildings and out of helicopters, and it excited me, so I was in.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: You went over when?

PAUL RIECKHOFF: I went over with the initial invasion at pretty much the same time Sean did. He came up with the Marines and I came in with the Third Infantry Division. We ended up finally settling in central Baghdad at the end of April and were there till spring of the following year, almost a year in total. We were there for the invasion, and then the initial looting, the disbanding of the Iraqi military and the chaos that followed. We were there also for the birth and emergence of the insurgency. It pretty much came to a crescendo as we were leaving in the spring of 2004.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: Yours was the first reserve unit awarded the combat infantry badge since the Korean War …

PAUL RIECKHOFF: Right, there's a pretty unprecedented level of involvement for the National Guard and Reserve. During the initial invasion, among the first couple of hundred thousand that went across the border, Reserve and Guard made up a pretty small percentage of the overall force structure, something like ten or fifteen percent. Now, close to 50 percent of our overall force structure are National Guard and Reserve.

When I came home after the first year of the war, most of my friends and colleagues in the National Guard didn't think they were going to go. We never thought that a few years later over 80 percent of the National Guard and Reserve would be deployed throughout the theater of Iraq. At that point, our guard unit hadn't been actively in combat since Korea, neither had any other unit in the National Guard, so it was really something new.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: You're one of the founders of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America [formerly Operation Truth]. How did that happen?

PAUL RIECKHOFF: Well I think, like Sean and Jimmy, when I came home I was pissed off and dissatisfied with the dialogue. In the spring of 2004, John Kerry and George Bush were throwing the Iraq war back and forth like a political football. And to be honest with you, nobody really knew what the heck they were talking about. The news media was dominated by Martha Stewart and what color pajamas Michael Jackson was wearing, and the country didn't really seem connected with the war.

We felt it was about time to inject people who'd been on the ground into the discussion. We formed IAVA last summer, and have been focused primarily on trying to connect people with the war, giving them a way to get involved. Our website has been a real hub for veterans to connect and also for people to find out more about what's happening in the veterans movement, as well as on the ground in Iraq.

I don't care what George Bush tells you, our military's been run into the ground. More than half of our folks are there for a second time, the divorce rates have doubled, we're now moving combat units out of Korea and out of training units in the United States to perform combat missions in Iraq, recruiting numbers are in the toilet, and retention numbers will soon fall. At the end of the day, he's really destroyed our military, and that will have long-term effects for our national security for decades.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: Jimmy Massey, why did you enlist?

JIMMY MASSEY: I enlisted in 1992. I grew up working class, sometimes poor, and I went to college for a year after I graduated from high school. I ran out of money, and I took a job working in the wool fields in New Orleans. And that fell short, so I found myself basically homeless living on the streets of New Orleans. And I was on my way to a job interview when I passed by a Marine recruiter who was pumping gas in his car. And he motioned me over, and I went and talked to him and he bought me lunch, and by the end of the day I was nodding north and south and ready to join the Marines.

But the reason I joined -- this was shortly after the first Gulf War, and I felt that at that point we had kind of cured or healed the ghosts of Vietnam, and I was going in for primarily tangible benefits. And so I went in and I spent several years, and I enjoyed my time and career that I was in. The Marines taught me very valuable lessons, intangible traits and that sort of thing.

But I basically became indifferent to the military or the Marine Corps while I was on recruiting duty. I started to realize what I was doing was in fact economic conscripting young men and women into the military. And I realized that I myself was an economic conscript. And I began to realize that as far as us being a first-world economic power, we fell short as far as having a free health care system for Americans and free education system, since I've traveled abroad.

So I went into Iraq with already indifferent feelings toward the military. But I did feel that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. I went into the Marine Corps during a time and period when the Cold War had just ended, and we were searching for a new enemy.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: Let me ask you about your actions since you returned. You saw combat -- from what I've read you were horrified by what you experienced?

JIMMY MASSEY: Yes, primarily the killing of innocent civilians. That's where I really began to question our overall motives. My questions to my command became, how do you tell a 25-year-old Iraqi male who just witnessed his brother being killed at a checkpoint, how do you tell this young man not to become an insurgent? So I was very critical of our mission and what we were performing and the lack of humanitarian support to the Iraqi people.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: If you could say one thing to the American people, what would you say?

SEAN HUZE: Accountability and responsibility. I bring up these two words because the American public are largely responsible for where we are right now, therefore they are accountable for our nation's failure in Iraq and diminishing status abroad. We sat idly by and accepted the Supreme Court's anointment of George Bush. We allowed ourselves to be manipulated following 9/11 and adopted the "any Muslim will do" attitude that afforded the administration the opportunity to use 9/11 to justify Iraq, a nation that had nothing to do with the attacks.

We then watched as Karl Rove twisted and turned an election away from the issues (out of necessity, since his candidate had failed on virtually every one of them) and let it become a smear campaign. Whether you voted for Bush or not, we collectively failed by extending his reign. If you voted for Kerry, like I did, then you have to ask if you did enough to spread that message of hope for our country. Again, based on the results, you have to accept the bitter fact that the answer is no, we did not.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: If you could say one thing to U.S. leaders, Bush administration, what would you say?

SEAN HUZE: Again, accountability and responsibility. While the American public is to blame for allowing itself to be manipulated, this administration is to blame for the manipulation. The war in Iraq has been a total failure and an abuse of power. Whether it's the world's second-largest oil reserve, a strategic location for a U.S. presence to intimidate that region of the world or a personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein, none of these justify the loss of life and the billions of dollars that the U.S. taxpayer is paying. Bush and the rest of this administration must be held accountable for their colossal failures following 9/11, chiefly focusing on Iraq while Osama bin Laden is still at large, and for manipulating intelligence, lying to the U.N., and for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis and U.S. service members.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: What do other service personnel or vets have to say?

SEAN HUZE: While the military ranks tend to be more conservative than the nation as a whole, more and more veterans of this war are becoming disillusioned. For many of us it all goes back to WMD, the president's primary -- or sole -- justification for the invasion. When they weren't found -- hard to find something that is nonexistent -- the ever-morphing rationale for the war is disheartening for those fighting it. With an ever increasing number of KIA and WIA, along with the heavy toll on the Iraqi civilian population, more and more vets are asking, "Is our sacrifice worth it?"

PAUL RIECKHOFF: Recently, I got an email from a very close buddy serving as an officer in Ramadi. He speaks with a candor and level of frustration that you won't hear from the generals. Check this out:

Paul,
I wish I had the time or energy or memory capacity to describe to you how wrong this whole thing has gone. It's just as you described it a couple years ago. We can make a difference here, and I believe in the mission as it looks on paper. But your president and his brain-dead colleagues aren't even trying to give us what we need to do it. The add-on armor HMMWVs are a joke. The terrorists target them b/c they know they offer no protection. The M1114s have good armor, but every time we lose one (I had one blown up Monday, driver had his femoral artery cut -- will recover fully -- b/c there apparently is no armor or very weak armor under the pedals) it's impossible to replace them. So now I have to send yet another add-on armored vehicle outside the wire daily.
The M1114s also have certain mechanical defects, known to the manufacturer, for which there is apparently no known fix. For example, on some of them (like mine) if it stalls or you turn it off, you cannot restart it if the engine is hot. We have to dump 3 liters of cold water on a solenoid in order to start it again. Not that much fun when your vehicle won't start in Indian country. I wonder if DoD is getting a refund for the contract. Speaking of contracts, KBR is a joke. I can't even enumerate the problems with their service, but I guarantee they do not receive less money based on how many of the showers don't work, or how many of us won't eat in the chow hall often because we get sick every time we do.
There is so much. I could go on forever. The worst thing, which we have discussed, is that they are playing these bullshit numbers games to fool America about troop strength. If they stopped paying KBR employees $100,000 to do the job of a $28,000 soldier, maybe they'd have enough money to send us enough soldiers to do the job. As it stands we have no offensive capability in the most dangerous city on earth. General Shinseki should write an Op/Ed that basically says, "I told you so." Idiots.
Where are the AC-130s? The Apaches? They have them in far less active AOs (areas of operations). All we ever get is a single Huey and Cobra team, both of which are older than I am. It's such a joke. They're not even trying. At all. They have Apaches in Tikrit but Hueys in Ramadi.
I wish every American could see this for him/herself. Registering your frustration at the ballot box isn't nearly enough. There should be jail terms for this.
TERRENCE MCNALLY: This has been very brief considering the wealth of experience that the three of you bring. Thank you for putting your lives on the line in Iraq and thank you for putting your consciences on the line since your return.

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Interviewer Terrence McNally hosts Free Forum on KPFK 90.7FM, Los Angeles (streaming at kpfk.org). To find out when "The Ground Truth" screens, visit the Sundance Film Festival website.

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agitator church and state
Posted by: eileenflmng on Jan 20, 2006 2:33 AM   
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SEAN HUZE:"While the American public is to blame for allowing itself to be manipulated, this administration is to blame for the manipulation."

9/11 WOKE UP the USA that we are not immune to what the rest of the world endures.
This Administration manipulated 'we the people' with FEAR; they color coded our anxiety levels and claimed 'evil is out there'.

Evil cuts through every human heart just as the good does.

The ultimate form of terrorism is War.

No matter who wears the uniform or how noble they believe their cause,
when ever innocent civilians are victims of bombs and bullets they have been terrorized.

"Collateral damage" is a BS aphroism for terrorism.

HOPE survives when 'we the people' exercise our inalienable human rights of conscience, speech and dissent:

And there is hope:
Chapter 6, Keep Hope Alive II:
THAT DAY
http://www.wearewideawake.org

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Boy, do we need men like this at home and maybe that is why they are gone!
Posted by: Pepper on Jan 20, 2006 6:23 AM   
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These men actually give me hope, which I had abandoned previously. If they aren't smeared to death before they can do some real good.

Its fabulous to see "courage" since its so rare these days. None in congress, none in the churches and none in our blind faith neighbors. I intend to see these films and find out what is really going on and to read any of their writings.

Thanks so much for "serving" with integrity both in and now out of the service. I hope if worse comes to worse you will lead us in what ever is "necessary" to overcome these criminals we have as leaders. They are lizards and slime and I appreciate you attempts to raise the level of awareness among my fellow sheep Americans.

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The Democrats ought to visit Utah once in a while
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 20, 2006 6:40 AM   
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Besides, these soldiers are not necessarily in lockstep with Bush. Utah can also be made a swing state like NV, NM, and even remotely AZ if they wouldn't hesitate to put an end to an uncalled for war that did nothing that bring about more crisis.

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Thank you
Posted by: m92tiger on Jan 20, 2006 7:14 AM   
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I'd like to thank these veterans for their willingness to put their lives at risk for fighting what they thought was truth and right and then their courage to speak the real truth, their work that they've done since coming back to get the truth out there and help those soldiers still at war and to help the American public get the REAL TRUTH. Thank you.

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» RE: Thank you Posted by: Doubtom
War IS Hell
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jan 20, 2006 7:45 AM   
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Every person who has every seen the effects of combat close up never wants to see it again,much less visit it unto any other genreation. These stories are no diffrent than the ones told by 'Nam vets like Kerry or McCain or your own relatives. As members of the military we are told to 'Follow Orders' no matter how stupid. We do it,because we're 'trained'
to. The change in 'War Policy' surely has to come from the 'boot on the ground'. They used to talk about unionizing when I was in back in the 70's. It never happened. But what really needs to happen is a much stronger event. Overriding consent the the Armed Forces involved has to be addressed. If all you are left to digest is the 'propaganda for War' as the folks in this article were,you make 'blind' choices.When the voices of Reason keep getting drowned out by press hype and spin,clear thinking becomes impossible. After the fact,everyone has a conscience. It's before the fact that we have problem working.
Through fear and intimidation we gave the powers of the Congress,to declare war, to the office of revolving puppets. In it's current configuration it is the enemy of All Mankind.
This office will create new 'threats' and 'villians' in order to
keep the People afraid and terrorized. Attacks in Iraq support
more American Companies than any undergroung insurgents.
Attacks in America serve the Govt of America.
Because this system is corrupted from the Top down there has to be the ability of the citizen to guestion use of force. To
be able to examine the facts for war should be EVERYONE'S RESPONSIBILITY. What is the real message we send to our children when we create 'enemies' and send them off to die fir it. If you're going to take a bullet for America,you'd better have a say in it.
Ultimatly it's the Commanders in the field that could end this thing. They send out secret orders out to the troops in the field recalling them to base. We bug out. Then the Troops here at home,put down their guns, we all gather around the Whitehouse. we make a 'Citizen's Arrest' of Bush,Cheney, Rummie,Condie, and the rest of the NSC, and begin the work of setting things right.
Until the blind following of policy is abandoned by not only the Military,but the Police also,in favor of True Liberty and Freedom,then we will never get out of this police state.

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YES - I DID ENOUGH!
Posted by: Todd on Jan 20, 2006 8:23 AM   
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I commend these men for what they are doing and speaking out against the actions of the U.S. in Iraq. I wish I could be more enthusiastic about the fact that they have added their voices to those us who stood up many years before they ever thought to and said "NO - this war and this administration is wrong". But after 5 years of fighting and being called a traitor, a divider, a liberal, etc., I'm not very passionate anymore. I'm burnt out.

That is why it angers me when people like Sean Huze say things like "Accountability and responsibility", and "We sat idly by and accepted the Supreme Court's anointment of George Bush" "allowed ourselves to be manipulated" "watched as Karl Rove twisted and turned an election away from the issues".

No Sean, not everyone did these things. Not everyone was part of the problem like you and most of America. Tens of thousands tried to be part of the solution. We wrote to our senators and representatives to oppose "Bush's Supreme coourt appointment". When that failed, we marched in the streets of America's cities to call attention to what was happening. We donated time, money, effort and passion to stopping the U.S. invasion into Iraq. We knew the war was wrong, we knew the government was lying, we did our homework, and it wasn't easy. We tried to tell the American people. Again we marched, wrote our representatives, wrote to newspapers, magazines and websites. We called upon our fellow citizens to look at the facts we had gathered and weigh them against the stream of propaganda that our government and our media were feeding us. We were labeled traitors and liberal scum. People called US un-American.

When Sean Huze and others like him, people who I refer to as recent converts to the truth, make sweeping statements like that, they should first and foremost acknowledge people like me who really stood up and DID something - 5 years ago and before. Don't include me in your blame. In fact, in your interviews from now on, why don't you start acknowledging that there were tens of thousands of us who DID do the right thing. It may not have been enough, but it was everything we could do. At least give us some credit while you make a name for yourself in Hollywood.

And yeah Sean, we voted for Kerry, like you did - but we did a hell of a lot more than that too. And no, it wasn't enough to change your mind, but it was enough to ease ours.

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Thank you for standing up and speaking out!
Posted by: ScottP on Jan 20, 2006 8:43 AM   
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I'm grateful that my awakening happened before this debacle. But it still hurts. To those in the various parts of the military industrial complex who are currently questioning their way of life I say: come on over, the grass really is greener on the other side of the fence!

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We will need you to lead us...
Posted by: rockpicker on Jan 20, 2006 8:46 AM   
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Conundrum

If a bunker buster
falls in the desert
and no one
shows you photos
of the shadows
of little bodies
etched on concrete walls,
is the wailing of mothers
still swallowed
by the whirr
of rotors?

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Thank you for serving twice...
Posted by: YogiBear on Jan 20, 2006 9:26 AM   
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...in the theatre, where your life was at risk, and back home, where you risk public tarring and feathering.

Try mentioning what you believe about the president and the war in a public venue sometime where nobody knows you are a soldier.

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Only way out: revolution!
Posted by: cold2touch on Jan 20, 2006 10:52 AM   
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This is neither a joke nor hyperbole. The corporate tyrany fully controls the press and other media, courts, Electoral College, they steal and manufacture elections, both congressional and presidential with their preprogrammed, non-auditable voting machines, they all worship Mammon in the Church of Lie. Their entertainment and advertising machine brainwashes populace into imbecility and they wage around-the-clock war on imaginary enemies with the true aim of extending their dominion over other peoples and resources. If there are still any true Americans serving in Pentagon, it is their duty to the Constitution, to which they pledged their fealty, not White House to arrest the scum and restore the Republic. Why should most of the Administration and Congress be arrested? Because they hate our freedoms.

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MILITARY EXCUSES RE: NEEDED EQUIPMENT
Posted by: miz on Jan 20, 2006 1:21 PM   
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When that American dad sent his combat son much needed protective equipment because our own government was not using the BILLIONS of dollars it steals from Americans nationwide on a daily basis that used to go for the elderly, the sick, the homeless due to disasters/economy, or roads and education (refer to past history and Bushbaby mimicking Hilter) on the needs of our soldiers - while the media was focused on his story, why did he not demand that 1/8th inch thick ceramic coating be sprayed on the tanks which makes them impervious to shells? Or is that comodity being allocated just to the construction of secret bunkers for the shadow government running things behind the mockery of our now so-called democracy? Why are we not demanding that all equipment the military wants replaced DEFAULT BACK TO THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER PUBLIC WHO BOUGHT IT ALL IN THE FIRST PLACE? This equipment does not belong to the military, it belongs to the American People on whose behalf it is used. When equip used by military ends - ALL EQUIPMENT must be divided amonst the states, i.e., trucks, choppers, tanks - for use in search/rescue missions, natural disasters, etc. Why do we still permit the military to then MAKE MONEY selling the equipment we all paid for - to third world countries - who then turn around and use it back upon us (i.e., when the military sold ALL of its spare chemical weaponry to Saddam in 1984 and our boys became the recipients of its use)? The military excuse of the "prohibitive cost of decommissioning the equipment" is a joke - considering that if the military was run as a corporate business - the American taxpayer would never have being paying $400 for toilet seats and hammers ... for literally decades.

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Vote your vet IN in 06!
Posted by: saywhat? on Jan 20, 2006 2:09 PM   
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First my most humble respects go out to you, the soldiers, who were sent out on this crazy mission.

On the day after when Bin Laden's voice appears, and President Bush doesn't address it immediately, then says "We don't negotiate with terrorists." weLL............

Public, make sense of it. Why is this guy still floating around?

So now our military is fryed and we are going to trudge into iran.......ok...nah uh....ask "why is bin laden loose and why is the military back broke? and ask yourself "am i more secure?"

I read that 11 iraqi veterans are on the ballot for the congressonal elections. i don't know who they are and where their districts are, but i hope they are elected officials in jan, officials opposed to entering into unecessary wars. You have the potential to make the absolute best leaders at this moment in our nation's history!

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» RE: Vote your vet IN in 06! Posted by: Soldier_X
cameras and keyboards
Posted by: fatztreeboy on Jan 20, 2006 2:14 PM   
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You 3 men really inspire me. Thank you for coming back from the violence in Iraq and going straight for your camera's and keyboards. You are double brave.
I have a Macintosh and I am gonna do something also. Thanx. Cheers.
fatz treeboy
-in san francisco

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Fendertele
Posted by: Fendertele on Jan 21, 2006 10:29 AM   
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Most americans who I speak to over the internet seem to be intelligent rational people who are against Bush policies and the slaughterhouse wars which they have become involved in.

However the americans one see's on television (Fox news for example, I live in England by the way) are all Macho "Let's take on the world" idiots.

Just this evening some guest economic spokesman (on Fox) said this of Iran "We can take them. Lets get the maps out and start identifying targets."

Well point number one is : No you can not take them. An Iranian war would make Iraq look like a picnic.

Point number two would be : How many of this commentators children, brothers or friends would be going to "Take them".

Point number three would be : An invasion of Iran would help to unify sections of Iranian and Iraiqi militia. This would greatly increase the threat against americans and lower their standing in that part of the world even further.

America's biggest enemy is it's own media. They are overconfident swaggering idiots who want poor white and black people to fight the wars that inflate their (media people) "I am AMERICAN! " ego's.

The book 1984 by George Orwell is much closer to 2006 America than it ever was to 20th century communism.

Americans should stop talking about Bush and start challanging the real enemy which is of course the american media.

Of course the Uk is by no means innocent when it comes to government intervention in Iraq but one thing we do take for granted here is a good news service.

When I see American debates and press coverage on Sky channels, Fox ABC etc. the first thing that I notice is the interviewer seems to be in collaberation with U.S foreign policy.

In england (The BBC) the interviewer acts as a mediator between two people who put their views forward. In some american debates the interviewer ends up shouting his guests down for making very sensible and accurate observations which the interviewer describes as "unamerican" or some such rubbish.

The theatrical way the "WAR on TERROR" is portrayed is almost unbelievable with crosshair graphics and soldiers described as freedom fighters.

The media is much more powerful than any government and it is that that needs to be addressed.

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Thanks, Mr. President...
Posted by: MTguy on Jan 23, 2006 1:32 PM   
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How can you find any level of postive morale in our troops stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan when they generally feel that their Commander in Chief and now their countrymen let them down.

At this point, if WE don't stand up for them, who will?

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» RE: Thanks, Mr. President... Posted by: Soldier_X
Chemical Weapons found
Posted by: Soldier_X on Jan 24, 2006 12:28 AM   
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linked text = WMD Found

linked text = What was in them?

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» Yet another inaccurate WMD claim Posted by: barry schwarz
Thanks
Posted by: Soldier_X on Jan 25, 2006 4:27 AM   
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I forgot to thank you for reading what I said. I enjoy speaking to those of you that care to engage in discussions on these urgent matters. Thanks.

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hmm.
Posted by: Soldier_X on Jan 26, 2006 3:56 AM   
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Well, I don't know how, other than to provide you with my DD214 to show you that I am in fact a Soldier. An enlisted Soldier, a leader of infantry Soldiers.

I am well read, and thats it. It might surprise you to know that I do find myself at odds with Republicans nearly as much as you do. But as a Soldier I try to remain apolitical as often as I can.

Allow me to illustrate some points I have that might not be so neo-con.

I disagree with conservatives on social issues mostly. I think that the problem with illegal immigration will never be solved by more border patrol or more deportations. The problem doesnt lie with the illegals, it lies with our own people, naturally the solution lies with american citizens as well. The solution to illegal immigration is legislation, that provides a snitch program, that pays snitches 1/3 of the profit. The profit made from the auction of everything you or your children own if you hire or harbor an illegal. Imagine that. Get your ass out on the street! Youre taking jobs away from Americans, I'm taking everything you and your children have, right down to the college funds and savings accounts.

No more illegals would come here, because they would be pariahs. No one would hire them. Problem solved. Overnight.

I do believe that taxes should be increased in order to make our nations infrastructure the envy of the world. I believe that trains and railways (trillions of dollars worth) need to be built. I believe that engineers from Germany need to redisign the interstate. I don't believe the BAC should be .08 for drunk driving. I don't believe district attorneys should get grants to prosecute certain types of crimes - that is the problem with the American justice system, it works with grant money not on justice. I think prostitution should be legal, and so should the use and sale of marijuana, although I would tax the shit out of it. I think the police have become too much like the military, and that search and seizure laws have gotten wayyy out of hand.

So, I don't think I fit into your 'cubby' very neatly either. I am an American Infantryman. Not a product of your cookie cutter universities, where everyone must think the same and espouse the same views, chant the same thoughtless mantras in order to get along and avoid being bashed.

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hmm.
Posted by: Soldier_X on Jan 26, 2006 3:57 AM   
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