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Contest and Consequences

By Jan Frel, AlterNet. Posted January 13, 2006.


A labor union's $100,000 contest inviting its networked community to submit fresh ideas on how to improve the lives of working Americans has sparked an online revolt.

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It was supposed to be one of the Service Employees International Union's leaps into bottom-up online consensus building, but the community blowback at the Since Sliced Bread project that broke out this week has all the appearances of being an online revolt.

Since Sliced Bread is a $100,000 contest inviting people to send in ideas to improve the lives of working people in America. As described by SEIU on the site: The contest encouraged ordinary Americans, policy experts and economists to enter fresh ideas on how to create the kinds of jobs that allow people to raise families, obtain affordable health insurance, pay for college and save for retirement."

The design of Since Sliced Bread appeared in many respects fairly open and bottom-up oriented. Anyone could send in proposals. Visitors were encouraged to participate in the community blog.

A staggering number of ideas -- more than 22,000 -- were submitted in a matter of months. After the deadline for submissions passed, a group of "diverse experts" winnowed them down to 70. Then, each of the contest's judges, who come from a variety of fields and across the political spectrum, voted for 21 finalists, who will all appear in a "Since Sliced Bread" book with an introduction by SEIU president Andy Stern.

But oddly enough, of the 21 finalists, few would appear out of place in the playbook of even the least revolutionary of Washington think tanks -- like, say, that of the corporate-funded, pro-business Democratic Leadership Council (DLC): Teaching schoolchildren how to be fiscally responsible, or creating a ProdiMae/ServiMac: "similar to FannieMae/FreddieMac's mission, but for [small and medium businesses (SMBs)] -- provide an efficient secondary market for equity/debt so SMBs can get funding through local funders who would then sell those instruments in the secondary market -- unleashing national sources of capital for SMBs."

Indeed, Marshall Wittman, now a staffer for the DLC, an organization widely loathed by Democratic activists outside of Washington who believe it has sold out the party to corporate interests, is one of Since Sliced Bread's featured bloggers. Wittman is also a former legislative director for Ralph Reed's Christian Coalition and speaker for the conservative Heritage Foundation and Hudson Institute.

Universal health care is on the list of 21 finalists, but it's hardly a new idea: Harry Truman put it in the Democratic Party platform more than half a century ago. While the list includes an idea to blanket the United States with wireless internet access, it doesn't accurately reflect some of the more radical concepts the entrants put forth, such as a suggestion to "annually ostracize a lobbyist," something that, in the wake of the Abramoff scandal, doesn't seem entirely out of place, or using computers to ensure that all Americans participate in the political process.

But winnowing out the 21 finalists was left up to the "diverse experts" and the judges' choices were … final.

And then, as the contest put it, "[s]tarting at 9 a.m. EST on Monday, January 9, Americans began the first round of online voting to choose the best three ideas from the 21 finalists."

Voters are encouraged to cast a ballot for up to three ideas. After a whittling down process, involving a series of votes, on Sunday, Jan. 22, the "three ideas that received the most votes will be submitted to the judges, who will pick the first-place winning idea and the runners-up." In order to sweeten the pot, "the creator of the best idea since sliced bread will receive a $100,000 prize, and the two runners-up will each receive $50,000 prizes."

But only a few days into the voting process, things started going terribly pear-shaped. In a nutshell, the big contention is that the judges picked a bunch of rather unfresh and tame ideas.

"NO VOTE FROM ME! All these ideas suck. I wouldn't pay $5 for any of them. What a waste of time," went one commenter's response. "I too am very disappointed in the lack of originality and diversity in the final selections," wrote another. "Three selections out of 21 involve national health care, which may be a great idea but is hardly original. "

These comments came in response to Andy Stern's call for appreciation of the ideas that were chosen after the initial blowback: "I confess -- I'm a bit surprised at the hostility meeting the 21 ideas announced yesterday morning," he wrote. "Let's take a minute to appreciate the work of the 21 people who are finalists -- they are amazing ideas that deserve discussion and consideration."


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Posted by: patti_s on Jan 13, 2006 3:07 AM   
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I'm not surprised that there was an online revolt. How could any contest purportedly looking for new ideas use so many old school, set in their ideas, hasn't changed and doesn't want to, judges? If new ideas are wanted, people with free, forward-thinking abilities should be chosen to judge. patti_s.

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A pot with too many chefs
Posted by: anothername on Jan 13, 2006 3:33 AM   
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I am in favor of ideas being presented. Nevertheless, there are several phrases in English that describe what happens, including: "a pot with too many chefs," "a {insert item} designed by committee," and "too many chiefs and not enough indians." In addition, I remember a news analysis from many years ago when ESOPs (Employee Stock Ownership Programs) were the big project idea. In that analysis it was noted that employees may be owners, but they are not the company's executives who make decisions on hiring, firing, and layoffs. We need new ideas and we need upward movement of those ideas, but how does that happen in reality and continuously, not with some publicity gimmick of a contest or face saving committee? It has been my experience that the person presenting an idea has been more important than the idea itself. For example, if a woman presents a new idea and uses women as case studies, then it is a women's issue instead of a study on economics, political affairs, foreign relations, or whatever. I have no doubt that other AlterNet readers can name numerous situations in which they noted two people presenting the same idea and the favored person was the only person heard.

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Look, the Pacific Ocean!
Posted by: Kneel on Jan 13, 2006 3:46 AM   
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I read through some of the ideas one night. A lot of people put some work into presenting their ideas well, and many were excellent, much better than what I could come up with.

Somehow, they winnowed all of those out to yield a list that's just jaw-droppingly stupid.

One of the finalists is... teaching schoolchildren about personal money management.

Well, hope is on the horizon.

Then there's one about pride in skilled labor - which offers some vague suggestions on how schools will tell pupils it's great to a be a plumber.

This one, though, just might be the winner: BLANKET THE US WITH WIRELESS ACCESS.

Yeah, nobody's been thinking of anything like that. The authors revolutionary idea to make it happen: "Implement widespread WiFi/WiMax networks across as many cities as possible."

Wow! Nothing along those lines seems to have occurred to anyone. I guess the cities that are ALREADY doing this without knowing why will be able to start actually using their networks. This is an achievment on par with Francis Drake "discovering" the Pacific Ocean! "Look, Indians! I just discovered the Pacific Ocean! Look there! I discovered something unknown to humankind!"

"Well, I'll be. We always were wondering what was across that little strip of beach."

I'm sure they needed 22,000 entries a couple hundred-thousand dollars to get ideas like those.

If I'd known I would've just suggested people drive less to save gas(!). I would've suggested eating all of our dinners so food didn't go to waste!! (That one probably would have won.) Then there's cutting down on between meal sweets to save on dentist bills!!! And... flossing!

We could... wash our socks less! We could... turn the... turn the... turn the heat down! Working families could... check the paper to see whether a movie was good before seeing it so we didn't waste our money!

Geez, I could've had most of the top ideas right there.

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lack of campaign reform
Posted by: SteveBreeze on Jan 13, 2006 4:23 AM   
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This seemed to be the most glaring omission to me. Virtually none of the other ideas, no matter how weak-kneed, stand a chance as long as money is driving the political system.

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» RE: lack of campaign reform Posted by: Lincoln fan
Flawed from the start.
Posted by: Kneel on Jan 13, 2006 4:24 AM   
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Besides the obviously crap team of judges, besides the idiotic selection process, there's another reason this is such an abysmal failure:

This was billed as using the power of the Internet, but it wasn't. It wasn't at all.

The ideas could just as easily have been submitted on index cards by snail mail. No difference. (Well, except maybe a jam stain or two on the cards.)

It went with the assumption that ideas come from individuals, not from groups and societies. There was no mechanism to discuss and refine the idea by the community, no way to build on the ideas, no means of collaboration.

That would have been progress - throughout history, we see people in different parts of the world hit on the same ideas at about the same time, independently as civilization advances. AI researchers have long since learned that the smallest locus of knowledge is not in the individual, but in the group.

Another way to do this contest would have been to offer far smaller rewards, but maybe a lot more of them, as groups of people contributed to ideas until they'd worked out everything from how to sell it to how to implement it (with input from people who've worked in various aspects of it, and so on).

(They could also have explained to each other and the nitwit judges that some of these ideas have been around for a long time, like National Service Scholarship Program - yes, that's one of the finalists.

Or asked why putting free wireless access in a lot of cities would be better than, say, offering a free unlimited dialup service everywhere, especially given that older, and thus far cheaper (or even free) machines can access dialup. Not to mention the idea has long since been proposed by a million bloggers.)

And then the idea could have gone on to a higher round.

Once the ideas were selected, the money might have been used to promote its implementation, which could have been better thought out than just vague suggestions.

Maybe that should have been my idea: DROP THIS IDIOTIC CONTEST. Use the power of this vast community of intelligent and creative people to build ideas and even programs together and figure out, as a community, how to make them work.

Or maybe I should have offered, "IDEA: DECLARE WORLD PEACE!" That would've made people's lives better.

And me a hundred-grand richer.

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» RE: Flawed from the start. Posted by: anothername
» good points here kneel Posted by: Jan Frel
» Yeah, yeah, but... Posted by: Kneel
Wait! Wait! A Velcro Bus!
Posted by: Kneel on Jan 13, 2006 5:17 AM   
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I'm gonna get the hundred-grand! I'm gonna get the hundred-grand! I only hope it's not too late.

IDEA: We cover all the busses with velcro.... and... and... all other vehicles as well. Then when people want go somewhere, they just put on a velcro suit and hurl themselves at a vehicle heading their direction. When they get there, they peel themselves off.

This will save massive amounts of energy and make people's commute much simpler and less expensive.

Even mail! We could use this for mail delivery, too!

We would put messages in tennis balls, throw the tennis balls at the velcro-covered vehichles, and then specially trained Labrador Retrievers could jump up and fetch them at their destinations.

Please, please tell me it's not too late to submit my idea.

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» RE: Wait! Wait! A Velcro Bus! Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Wait! Wait! A Velcro Bus! Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Wait! Wait! A Velcro Bus! Posted by: ConnecttheDots
The Finalists - one of these lovelies will...
Posted by: Kneel on Jan 13, 2006 6:08 AM   
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I have to leave this alone. I have to.

I'm just so stunned that these are what they came up with. Stunned.

For anyone not wanting to wade through them on the Sliced Bread site, here's what they came up with.

These are the original ideas worth thousands of dollars (one of them worth a hundred thousand dollars):

1. Massive Public Works Projects: From the Pyramids to the Panama Canal, these have provided lots of employment (whether the project serves any purpose or not).

2. Public Education Reform: A three-part proposal of hackneyed ideas. Here's number three "3. Increase teacher salaries to recruit and retain some of America’s brightest.

3. Medicare as Single Payer - Pilot: Suggests offering employers the opportunity to insure workers via Medicare.

4. Standardization of Health Care Data: A way to reduce administrative costs. Hardly original.

5. Blanket the US with Wireless Access: Another commonplace idea. Offers no suggestions for implementation besides that it should be done in "as many cities as possible". No mention that computers are more expensive than Web access, and it takes a more expensive computer to go wireless.

6. Mortgage Program - Abandoned Houses : A mortgage program to... buy derelict buildings. Nothing not already proposed or even done some places. A friend bought an abandoned house from the city for five grand on the condition he rehab it.

7. Do Not Tie Healthcare to Employment: Exactly how old is this idea? It touts the advantages of national healthcare. Only addition: Suggests a regressive sales tax to pay for it.

8. Farm Produce Distribution Network: More hackneyed ideas and some standard criticisms of subsidies.

9. National Service Scholarship Program: Get a scholarship in exchange for national service instead of just military, ROTC-style. Proposed a zillion times.

10. Home Ownership Plan for You: Put money into buying a house instead of a pension plan.

11. ProdiMae Efficient Access to Capital: WTF? (You try reading it.)

(Actually, don't bother - it's a dumb idea.)

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.... win a HUNDRED GRAND!
Posted by: Kneel on Jan 13, 2006 6:10 AM   
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12. Pride of Skilled Working Hands: Asks, "How will America meet current and future needs for skilled craftspersons?" answers, "Build early pride that using one's skilled hands in carrying out a skilled trade is a noble profession." OK.

13. Ownership of Retirement Assets: Suggests employers contribute to IRAs.

14. A Flat Tax to Save Social Security: Reinforces the myth that Social Security is in imminent danger. Offers to save it.

15. Retool EITC to promote savings: Assumes people on low incomes have would like to channel their money into savings and investments. This Earth calling...

16. Sustainable Resource Industries: Suggests a "resource tax" (in quotes just like that, so it's not a resource tax, but a "resource tax"). Promises, "Working families will benefit from a stable economy and millions of new economy jobs."

17. Create "Civil Works Corps" : Suggests 50,000 strong corps modeled on similar New Deal program. A civilian alternative to military service. Get college tuition assistance on discharge. Nobody ever thought of that before, ever.

18. Tie Minimum Wage to Cost of Living: Nobody ever thought of that before, either.

19. Three Steps to Universal Health Care: Hackneyed proposals. Contributes nothing.

20. No Tax on College Expense: Wasn't there a West Wing episode on that? Nothing new.

21. Personal Money Management: Not only would this put personal money management instruction into the schools, but would teach children to "resist the negative affects [sic] of being lured by advertisers to pointlessly spend money on "stuff", only to discard it when the commercials convince them they need some new "stuff"."


That's it. That's what selected from 22,000 ideas submitted.

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» RE: .... win a HUNDRED GRAND! Posted by: afrothetics
What SEIU does best
Posted by: Urstrly on Jan 13, 2006 6:14 AM   
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I'm a big fan of SEIU. It represents people who the rest of organized labor thought too penny-ante to organize. They understand the issues affecting labor today, and I thought it was bold of them to pull out of the AFL-CIO, which as far as I can see is dying from a lack of vision. Having worked with many SEIU members in the last election, I would say that the organization's strength is in persuading people to vote in their own interests; they get bodies moving.

I wish they had run a contest in which they said, "Here are the problems, how can we address them?" We're still struggling for a broadly-shared progressive agenda for our nation, and the SEIU needs to be articulate.

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» But this is a betrayal. Posted by: Kneel
» Maybe its a MAKE BELIEVE sell-out. Posted by: AdamSelene11726
» RE: What SEIU does best Posted by: Lincoln fan
Same old SEIU
Posted by: gpm on Jan 13, 2006 6:50 AM   
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I worked for them for some time. My observation of the leadership of the union is that they spend the majority of their time trying to figure out new ways of making it appear that their own ideas came from the membership. Polls were taken, but responses that the president or organizing director didn't like were disregarded. Surveys were performed, but responses were edited or thrown out if they weren't sycophantic enough. Pictures of members were splashed all over every slick flyer, but the quotes attributed to the members were written by a communications consultant.

I've been gone from there for three years and clearly nothing has changed.

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WORLD PEACE
Posted by: Kneel on Jan 13, 2006 6:52 AM   
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Wars are very expensive. And they kill people.

Throughout history, countries have had to spend a lot of money on wars. This money could have been used for other things - schools could have been improved, potholes could have been filled and parks could've offered free hot dogs and balloons every other Sunday.

So, my idea is... World Peace.

That way, people won't have shoot each other. Countries won't have to spend money on bombs. People in those places they're always dropping bombs on can stop building little grass huts and start constructing more solid structures, with aesthetically pleasing porticoes and energy-saving solar panels on the roofs. Knowing that their houses won't be getting napalmed all the time, they'll be more likely to invest in improvements like double-pane windows.

This will result in a flourishing home repair and improvement industry, plus additional spinoff industries like in-ground pool installation. Perhaps the leftover bombs could be used for this purpose.

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Actually
Posted by: Maryanne on Jan 13, 2006 8:03 AM   
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while the suggestions made by Kneel may be old and hackneyed, they have a lot of merit. Why get new ideas, when implementing many of the old ones would greatly improve the lives of all Americans. These ideas would not be hanging around so long, and come from so many sources if they didn't have staying power. Hence worthwhile

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» RE: Actually :Maryanne Posted by: Basenjis
gramps
Posted by: gramps on Jan 13, 2006 8:59 AM   
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Joel Bakan in his great book The Corporation shows that the corporation "legal person" is a sociopath. Nobody owns a corporation. It was made that way to seperate ownership and liability. The CEO, while a good person and family man at home becomes Caligula when on the job. He must adhere to the bottom line, this is the only ethic that a corporation has.

My idea is the same as that of the Argentine workers. The Take. Since no one owns a corporation the people who really use the tools of production should own them. We need more sit-down strikes, only this time we stay there.

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After a cooling off period...
Posted by: mrweigand on Jan 13, 2006 11:19 AM   
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I guess I'm responsible (irresponsible) for the quote in the article (Michael W.) and I wrote that while still somewhat shocked by the finalists list.

After thinking about it, I think it's most likely that the process of sifting through 22,000 ideas to produce the short list of 70 ideas for the celebrity panel of judges to vote on was flawed.

If I had to speculate, I would guess that the folks performing the initial filtering process may not have felt qualified to judge any of the technical ideas so the simple action was to just filter them out.

So, in retrospect, the fact that the list of finalists is so similar to the goals and direction of the SEIU may not be due to deliberate selection. It may have just happened that way because the staffers who were assigned the filtering task were most comfortable with things / ideas that they know well.

At this point we can assume nothing. Only the fine folks at the SEIU know the real story, and when they decide to tell it, we may all learn a thing or two.

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» IF ... Posted by: AdamSelene11726
» RE: IF ... Posted by: mrweigand
» But, we DO know ... Posted by: AdamSelene11726
» RE: But, we DO know ... Posted by: mrweigand
What's up with the SSB site?
Posted by: jcminterp on Jan 13, 2006 11:43 AM   
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So I try to follow the links from this story and everything is down. I hope everyday that the progressive community is growing, but I doubt it could be so large as to shut down the SSB site.

So what's up? Any speculation (or answers)? Hopefully everything will be restored and explained in a transparent manner. In the meantime, I'm satisfied with the benefit of Google's cache of the "online revolt" comments:

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The Response Has Been Silly
Posted by: misc_t on Jan 13, 2006 12:51 PM   
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I think the response on the blog has been pretty silly. The problems of the progressive movement are *not* related to there not being enough smart people thinking about how to solve problems. Therefore the world is probably not going be saved as a direct result of inviting a bunch of unqualified strangers from the internet to come and opine about how things ought to be run. I'm surprised that the contest participants seem to have thought that it was. Ideas are the easy part. Building consensus is the hard part -- and that's where compromise comes in. It looks like that effect begins to rear its head even when you're only trying to build consensus within a group of 21 like-minded judges. The result may be kind of bland, but that's too bad. That's just how democracy works. We're going to have to figure out how to enact meaningful change within that framework, or not at all. There is a reason why innovative and weird ideas don't get publicity, either in the real world or SSB -- they're usually unworkable or unpopular.

In that light, the contest itself was a little silly -- at least, for the participants (aside from the prizes, of course). SEIU no doubt came up with this not because they were in the market for some good ideas, but in order to get people interested and talking about the union. I guess this isn't exactly what they had in mind. They probably underestimated the number of folks out there who think of themselves as real-life Josh Lymans, just waiting to be discovered. In retrospect I suppose they should have been prepared for this: if there's one thing the internet's full of, it's people convinced that the world has never seen anyone quite so original and clever as they are.

(sorry for the double post -- forgot that the thread where I originally placed this would be collapsed in the main view)

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Internet Was Not Used Properly
Posted by: jyork on Jan 13, 2006 1:36 PM   
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The entire process has to be bottom-up with no "management" stepping in to organize the selections. You use the internet to create a community of judges-people wanting to be judges-and the total number is irrelevant. Invite people to organize the effort - with 22,000 responses it takes some form of organized approach. "Management" as it were - creates the boundaries, the tools, the methods, and the choices of how to order things. Then that is the sole gift to the process. Read the book The Birth of Chaordic Age by Dee Hock for more on this method of self-organizing.

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my idea
Posted by: brodix on Jan 13, 2006 6:02 PM   
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Priority Budgeting

Break spending bills into their individual lines and have each legislator assign a percentage value to each one. Re-assemble the items in order of preference and then have the President draw the line at what is to be funded.

Our governmental structure has been so successful because it incorporates top down order in the executive branch and the bottom up process in the legislative branch, with the judicial branch to mediate.

One of the primary reasons it has ceased to function effectively is because the leadership of the legislative branch has been allowed to appropriate all of the effective power. This creates a situation where only those who cater to this status quo are allowed to advance, thus compounding the situation. As the specific interests of this group are promoted, corruption is natural.

Because of this structure, there is no way for a "Mister Smith" to go and clean things up. Even if he were elected President, he couldn't reform congress.

So what my idea would do is to make individual legislators much more effective as individual operators. The leadership would be forced to actually lead on issues and not just herd them around like so many cattle. Specific proposals would have to appeal to the broadest possible constituency, not just to a few power brokers. Riders would have to stand as their own line items, or they would drag the average of whatever they were attached to further down the bill. If arm twisting is going on, then legislators might trade a few percentage points, this way, or another, rather then switching a yes to a no, or vice versa.

I don't even need to be paid for it either.

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a union finally learns what democracy is about
Posted by: jimgilliam on Jan 13, 2006 8:38 PM   
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the irony of this coming from the SEIU is too much for me to handle. jan really missed the real story here (or maybe was too nice to go for the jugular). the fact that a UNION is JUST NOW learning what small d democracy is about -- and only because of the internet -- is kind of mind blowing...and sad.

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I gave up on Since Sliced Bread because they limited ideas to 175 words
Posted by: janvdb on Jan 14, 2006 12:05 PM   
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I am the proud owner of several complex policy ideas -- one to fund a national child care system and another to fix the immigration problem -- to which I would like to attract attention and support. However, I erased the Since Sliced Bread bookmark with disgust when I saw that they limited submissions to 175 words!!

Even these comments here to Alternet can be 2500 words long!!

175 words!!

What are they thinking?

My ideas involve verification of SS# with thumbprint-reading machines in every local post office which print out job-verification cards to be carried at all times by employees and employers, linking father's SS#s to their newborns, etc.

175 words!!

Since Sliced Bread was doomed before it ever started, infantilizing, stunting and, even, insulting their prospective submitters before they even started.

I thought about fighting the system by submitting one of my ideas in 10 or 15 successive 175-word segments but then read through that requirement to the underlying attitude it betrayed (these laymen can't have anything sufficiently interesting that we should spend more than 3 seconds reading it over) and just erased the bookmark.

Jan VanDenBerg

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Radio with pictures!
Posted by: Kneel on Jan 15, 2006 6:57 PM   
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When TV first came in, no one had figured out use it yet. They just used it as radio with a screen, showing radio performers doing their shows.

Well, they say the same thing about the Web - it can show magazines and TV, and send mail a lot faster, but, that's just changing the delivery. If you check out another article by our good author, there's some idea of how it might come into it's own.

Think if this contest had used something like that:

OK, we have Mr. Frel writing this article, which brings it to our attention.

My contribution is transcribing a list (not much, admittedly, but I'm vegan).

patti_s looks at one and comes up with something related and much improved.

Then Lincoln fan points the importance of defining the problem, and we step back to realize the problem isn't just abandoned buildings, but a shortage of good low-income housing.

Well, move it along a bit and maybe you end up something you can take to municipal councils, that can become a ballot issue, as Living Wage initiatives have.

Groups cans say, Instead of gentrification, which just displaces the residents (solving the abandoned buildings problem, if that were the problem), we want to reclaim these buildings for ourselves.

Instead incentives to gentrifying, urban-renewal yuppies or developers, municipalities are required to help local working families reclaim the housing. That includes city paying a few skilled advisors to check up on things and lend a hand for the tricky bits, and certain equipment for loan (in one town where I lived, the library had stuff like ladders - there's a storehouse and you leave a deposit).

And then you have gramps mentioning The Take, where workers didn't wait for government approval, they went ahead and broke in and restarted the factories, and then that led to government approval. Maybe a similar idea here - people start rehabbing a few derelict buildings, and that forces the hand of local governments.

You know, that's how the ideas build, how the energy comes, etc. That seems to me to be how they could have used the Web to make this really fly.

Well, maybe next time. Sure hope universal health care wins. I gotta get my shots.

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