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Finding Words to Talk About Race

By Maria Luisa Tucker, AlterNet. Posted January 16, 2006.


Whenever I start getting lulled into the idea that maybe race and ethnicity don't matter, something happens to remind me of their power.
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I am the daughter of an Ecuadorian immigrant mother and a father from a Southern white ranching family. I was born in East Texas, in a town where people frequently called my mom "wetback" and "taco-bender" to her face. In an attempt to protect her children from this verbal brutality, my mother did not teach us to speak Spanish. She wanted us to quietly blend in, to be as unnoticeable as possible.

When I was 2, we moved to a more quietly intolerant college town in the central part of the state, where black, white and brown were equally fractioned. My brother and I were assumed by most to either be plain ol' white or part Chicano. In middle school, a fellow classmate spit the word "Mexican" at me as if it were an insult, and so I took it as one. In high school, I had one ear listening to Selena, the other tuned to Kurt Cobain.

I had no language to talk about these divides of difference. "Race" meant white or black. "Ethnicity" meant ... well, most people weren't exactly sure what it meant, but ethnic food was anything spicy and ethnic clothes were folksy costumes. To actually discuss prejudice or discrimination, its causes and consequences and daily realities — that was as distasteful as talking about sex at the dinner table. Even when James Byrd, Jr., was murdered in Jasper, Texas -- he was chained by his ankles and dragged behind a pickup truck -- and the murderers were tried and convicted in my hometown, people didn't talk about it.

And there, right in the center of middle-class Middle America, is the root of this nation's difficulty in talking about race and ethnicity. My mother's generation was bullied into fitting in. In a post-civil rights world, my generation grew up obeying a polite colorblindness, a denial of difference. For decades, we quietly ignored race, which meant we ignored discrimination, and we shrank from talking about racial or ethnic tensions. Today, primarily because of Hurricane Katrina, Americans have finally acknowledged that, actually, we do have to talk about race. We're just having trouble finding the right words.

What's needed are a million personal conversations between ordinary Americans. The complexities and nuances of color and culture, the disparities of wealth and education are best understood by learning the stories of each others' lives. Ordinary people are the true experts in cross-racial, cross-ethnic dialogue, if only we would start talking.

Whenever I begin to be lulled into the tranquil idea that maybe, just maybe, race and ethnicity don't matter, something happens to remind me of the power of these things to be either connecters or dividers.

A couple years ago, I was working on an article about the families of murder victims and had been invited to attend a support group for grieving parents. At the end of the meeting, I sat quietly reading some of the group's materials.

An old Mexican man came up to me and asked, "Your name is Maria Luisa? Are you Hispanic?"

This man's son had recently been murdered. He looked into my eyes -- he, the subject, me, the reporter -- and tried to decide whether to trust me with his story of grief.

"Yes, but my father is white," I answered.

"Well," he said, pausing to touch my pale hand. "Make sure to tell people your name is Maria." Then, he began his story.

He didn't want to know my credentials as a journalist, only my ethnicity. He told me about the agony of watching his crack-addicted son go down a dangerous path. He told me about the miserable end to a three-day search, when his son's lifeless body was found in a dumpster. He spilled family secrets because he assumed that since we were both Latino, we shared the same values.

It is significant that a name, skin tone or accent has so much emotional hold over us. Had my name been Amanda or Tiffany, the old man may never have greeted me. Actually, my name is different, and is pronounced differently, depending on who I'm talking to.

Friends and family call me Luisa. When asked why I use only one half of my first name, I explain that most women in my extended family are named Maria something-or-other, so we Marias go by nicknames or shortened versions of our full names. I'm not sure if this is entirely true, but most of the non-Latino people I meet demand an explanation, so I made one up for them.

When I introduce myself to Latino folks, I am Maria Luisa, the namesake of my maternal great-grandmother and the most obvious symbol of my Hispanic heritage. Like reminiscing about biscuits and gravy with fellow Southerners, most of the time I consider this variation on my introduction as a way to connect with Latinos. But sometimes, I feel like I'm pimping out my pseudo-Hispanic identity, like wearing a low-cut blouse in an attempt to get a special discount. Am I a cultural con artist, a disingenuous fake? What does it really mean to be Hispanic if my skin is white and my language is English?

Throughout my teens, I wondered about this. I hesitated to identify myself as a minority. I didn't feel like a "minority," nor did I know what that was supposed to feel like. But when I filled out forms for financial aid and college scholarships, being a minority took on a positive connotation. "Different" morphed into "diverse." The mother who had refused to teach us Spanish as children encouraged us to make sure we checked the "Hispanic" designation as college students. In college, I dabbled in trying to feel like a minority. I went to a Hispanic sorority party. I briefly joined an organization promoting racial equality. I attended a church group that promoted interracial marriage and ending racism as a spiritual goal.


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Posted by: JBravoEcho11 on Jan 16, 2006 1:26 AM   
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I am an adopted male from Colombia. I was born there and spent 5-months there. Then I was adopted by a couple of nice white folks I call Mom and Dad. I knew right from the beginning I was different. They tried in vain to keep me connected to my culture by bringing me together with other adopted kids from Colombia where we would have a party and break a pinata. But my name Jeff is white. My name in Colombia was Alejandro. So my middle name is Alexander. In reality my Hispanic roots went only skin deep. This was proven by an old man who came and started speaking Spanish to me at a supermarket when I was 4. When he saw I didn't comprehend (the only Spanish words I knew where the ones Gordon and Maria spoke on Sesame Street) a word of what he was saying he scolded me, "You know nothing of your heritage. Haven't your parents taught you? ..." That has always stuck with me.

Ever since I was little, I knew I was adopted. It was a fact of life that I was as proud of that as my Hispanic heritage. Until 3rd grade, when I transfer from a public to a private school, when it wasn't cool to have 2 names and 2 countries and a 1-way ticket to Whiteyville in the wrong color plane. As soon as I proudly announced it on my first day at my new Catholic school, I was spoken Spanish-sounding gibberish to and called racist names. In junior high, I was on a swim team where I found out I was an "illegal alien" and a "wetback" and "my mother didn't love me so she gave me away". In school I was a "coke-baby", my mother was a "coke-addict", my unknown father "a drug lord". Since I couldn't escape it, I embraced it and became it. No one was letting me run from my skin color. I had been so proud of it before.

I had wanted to be a comedian around that time and what's the best way to fight off pain and prejudice? Laugh at it. Play it up. Make jokes. I had a whole story out how I swam the Caribbean Elian Gonzales style (who's story traumatized me that I thought I would get sent back) and my mother played catch with me at the orphanage and hid drugs inside me that I hadn't yet rid from my body. I learned all the drug lingo and would say it in class.

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patti_s.
Posted by: patti_s on Jan 16, 2006 4:04 AM   
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I am a member of a group of people in the(mostly) Mid-South. Melungeons. A classification that is described as a tri-racial isolate. We were Caucasian, Negro, North and South American Indian. We were here when the first European settlers got here. We spoke English, Portugese, several variations of the local Indian languages, along with some South American Indian languages, all mixed together.

Evidently, we are people who were taken in pirate raids and abandoned on the southern shores by pirates who didn't care to kill us but would not feed us. We banded together for protection, interbred, and managed to survive, while being forced farther and farther west, away from the coasts where we were abandoned.

When the Europeans got to the part of the country where we finally settled, we were vilified to the point where Melungeon became an epithet worse even than the N word. Melungeons started hiding their identity. It seems no one wanted to publicly acknowledge their Melungeon blood. The knowledge was however, passed down in some families.

I am grateful to those people who passed that knowledge down. While tracing our family's origins I recently discovered our family name on the rolls of Melungeon archives being compiled by families of our bloodline who are unafraid to claim their history. After a little more research, our family discovered we are indeed descended from that tri-racial isolate group.

Instead of feeling inferior because of my bloodline, I feel a certain kinship with each racial group. This is inspite of being born fair-skinned in the South. Fair skin in the South or any other geographical region gets people exactly nothing if they are poor and we were.

Being different will bring ostracism in any group (even animals do it) and these days poor is the biggest racial, ethnic, or cultural group there is. I would submit that whoever you are, whatever color, you will become accepted as long as you have or generate lots of money. patti_s

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"Race" matters
Posted by: Llama11 on Jan 16, 2006 5:33 AM   
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It's funny how I can draw parallels with the stories here. I'm mostly native to America, but I've also got some Italian, Irish, and English. I look, for the most part, white. Sometimes someone will ask me, "What are you?" When I was younger, I would always answer, "Indian", for lack of a better term. It's hard not being accepted by either culture. I don't know how many times I've been asked, "Do you live in a teepee?" or someone comes up to me and says "How." I got made fun of all the time and have been called "Aztec", "spear chucker", "injun", "redskin", or "drunk". But my fellow natives look at me and see a half-breed, a "white boy."

My brother, who looks a little more native than me (slightly darker skin) is very immersed in our culture and denies any whiteness in him. I look at our culture and see but a remnant of what it once was, but since culture is transient, it works. I don't know my native language and I'd rather learn spanish since it's more practical. But you can bet that when I applied for college, I was accepted right away, and if it wasn't for the benefits I receive, I wouldn't be here. Harvard actually sent me a letter asking me to apply, but I never did because I knew it was only because I'm native. I'm definitely qualified to be here (Michigan State, w00t!), but not Harvard. And no, I'm not getting the free education everyone says I get. Granted, I've paid significantly less than other people. My hat is off to those kids who accrue 30k in debt, just to get through school.

It's funny how we ethnic folk love to joke about white people. And how white people love to joke about ethnic people. This is not a blanket statement, just a general observation. Since I look mostly white, I've been around when whites get racist, and I've been around when ethnics get racist, since I'm "one of them". We're not racist, we just got jokes, right?

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Nation and Race
Posted by: citizenjoe on Jan 16, 2006 5:40 AM   
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Extreme nationalism and racism

All nationalism advocates the political unity of a people under the single authority of a national community that peruses the interests of the people. This means among other things that the national authority is the authority of the state. Extreme nationalism demands that the nation and its members have thorough and unshakable unity and that their authority take every action defensive and offensive to insure the integrity and endurance of the nation-state. This is correctly described by saying that national unity is organic; the individual members serve both the nation and the state primarily and the entire nation both asserts and strives to establish its superiority among other nations and peoples in a pre-national or primitive condition; tribal peoples are the clearest examples. If its policy is sucessful, a particular well unified people become superior in power and authority to every other people whether unified or not.

In the extreme nationalist world view, although not always apparent, even to those who regard themselves as fascist and say so openly, a nation is a race. The thorough unity of the nation is not only social, political and cultural; it is by entailment also racial. Extreme nationalism implicitly or explicitly embraces the belief that a nation is both superior and race. Even so, some extreme nationalists avoid the term race when they speak of nations, especially their own. Whatever their intentions, the racial character of the nation is implicit in the view of nations organically unified and existing in a world of nation-states that is as a jungle in which each preys on one another to stay dominant and survive.

Even the extremist Mussolini was not anxious to say much on the divisive subject of the racial unity of nations. The Nazis’ had crudely biological racial views which were explicit whereas Mussolini was quite about race until the late 1930’s when Hitler demanded he express some proper racial views. Mussolini submitted to the discipline of “the master race” and did as he was told. The Italian fascist view of race was more refined than was the German. The racial views of Julius Evola were officially endorsed although they were not altogether satisfying to Der Fuehrer. Even so, Evola was sent to Germany to speak on Italian racial views

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Perceptions
Posted by: Yogy on Jan 16, 2006 5:59 AM   
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By your comment "What does it really mean to be Hispanic, if my skin is white and my language is English?", as an student of anthropology, I realize that you've unfortunately fallen into the Race Trap. The term race is not a valid term scientifically. The sooner we all realize that, the better off we'll be. There are many Hispanics with pale skin and I don't know why you think you're an exception. Some Hispanics are completely of Europeans decent, African decent, or Native American decent; some are a mixture of these. What you are is a mix of two cultures (US and Ecuadorian), not races, because there is no such thing.

We are one homo sapien species who vary because of the environments and climates that our ancestors were subjected to; nothing more. America has created this so-called race system as a way to separate the European-Americans from everyone else. That's all there is to it.

Please stop falling into that trap.

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sitting on la frontera
Posted by: toroloco815 on Jan 16, 2006 6:09 AM   
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gracias for the article on 'latinos' and race.....( i was taught 'hispanic' was a pinche guero term of THE MAN).... i know that there are a other folks of latino heritage who have been subject to 'pocho pain' as mis amig@s and i call it referring to those moments in life when we're not 'latino' enough or by extension 'white' enough...
i am a 2nd generation Chicano (even now i choose the term Xicano to acknowledge our indigenous roots) with a raised-poor father from tejas and a working-class mother born in califas...like most children of immigrants, they worked hard to realize the 'american dream' and with that to breach the sacred quest for middle-classdom....the price of assimilation: loss of our 'native' tongue; confusion of racial identity among my siblings and i; buying into the racial and class stereotypes so readily sold in Amerikka; dysfunctional behavior that crosses all class and racial lines, but flourishes in shame-based families such as ours; the pull to partner or marry 'white'; in my case, overt and covert racism experienced in predominately ' white' schools; etc. etc.
as with most things in life, assimilation had its 'positive' aspects: a better primary and secondary education and hence ( who else but an English major uses the term "hence") a greater chance at a college degree; as the author noted, the ability to utilize this country's flawed but badly needed attempt at affirmative action by claiming minority status in educational and work situations; 'dazzling' my white classmates with my inherent intelligence even while abusing alcohol and drugs to the same extent they did; the choice of upward class mobility; a familiarity of home-cooking when ordering at Mexican restaurants, etc. etc.
as i look back on my 40 y.o. life, i have no regrets and have come to stop blaming my parents for choosing assimilation as a means of survival in this country...i know now there were/are greater systems of oppression at work in making that choice....in hearing the familial stories of immigration, some from 'white' friends and acquaintances, but more often from other people of color, i am struck by the immense amount of pain, suffering, and silence that exists within these stories....but i am awed as well by the tremendous amount of resiliency that transcends whatever oppression we/they experienced....we're still here....oppressed, sometimes oppressing, but still struggling to make a more just world for our children...

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Perception of race
Posted by: starluna on Jan 16, 2006 6:20 AM   
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In sociology and anthropology, there is something known as the Thomas Theroem, which states that if people define something as real, it is real in its consequences.

It's nice that anthropologists have finally come to the conclusion that race has no "scientific" merit, particularly given the role of the discipline in biologizing race in the 19th and 20th centuries. But, there is no doubt that the biological import of race is still a contested issue, at least within the biomedical and life science community.

As a quite Irish looking Latina, I resonate with Ms. Tucker's article. Accusations of "falling into a race trap" trivializes our experiences and downplays the significance of discrimination and prejudice. Further, it falls into the trap of imposing one set of beliefs and perspectives on others who hold different beliefs based on different experiences, something an anthropologist should be careful to avoid. Acting as if race doesn't exist doesn't change the fact that people are treated on the basis of their race and ethnic heritage (as well as other features) as she and other commenters clearly demonstrate.

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re: perceptions
Posted by: toroloco815 on Jan 16, 2006 6:22 AM   
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i fully acknowledge the scientific viewpoint concerning race as a social construct, and that 'we're all mixed' of one bloodline or another...but racial oppression/discrimination in thsi country is just as real and prevalent today as ever...and to fall back on scientific analysis ignores and colludes with that oppression, and is tantamount to the 'why can't we all just get along' philosophy of minimizing and ignoring that fact...

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i agree...
Posted by: toroloco815 on Jan 16, 2006 6:50 AM   
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i agree fully, and since language is all we have, we must create new language to rise above the focus on race, but at what cost to ignoring its current manifestations?

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married to a black man
Posted by: mombot on Jan 16, 2006 7:09 AM   
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It's great to read such a terrific article. I've been married to a black man for 16 years. When we first met, it wasn't all that common to find "mixed" as in black/white or black/any other race combo as a couple. There are times I have to remind my in-laws that they CAN talk about race issues around me. As far as I'm concerned, I stopped being "white" in attitude a long time ago. I cannot ever change my skin tone and don't tan well. Some white folks assume that I am "like them" and will make racist comments since they don't know me personally. I have noticed that the news over the last several days that is related to the subject of MLK makes pains to say that we have made progress with race relations in this country. There is the myth that there isn't that much racism these days. It hasn't gone away, just underground. ON the subject of Hispanic kids, my kids look Hispanic and neither of us is, though I'm part Italian!

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New language
Posted by: starluna on Jan 16, 2006 7:41 AM   
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If our goal is to be a single, homogenous society, than perhaps we need language to "move away" from the concept of race or ethnicity. If our goal is to be a relatively tolerant, pluralistic society, in which having any of innumerable variations of identity is acceptable, than the language we need is one that allows us to talk about difference without constructing categories of superiority and inferiority.

The concern about divisiveness, to me, stems from a desire to assimilate all peoples into one blended group, a la the melting pot theory. It seeks a "color-blind" society. Well, the French tried that, and all it allowed them to do was ignore the ghettoization and marginalization of its immigrant communities.

The whole point of the article is to encourage all of us to actually start talking about race. Race is a social construct, but so is money, titles, and property. But I wouldn't be in the classroom 3 days a week unless I was paid to do it. And I still make my students call me professor. And I take very seriously any attempt to steal my stuff, which is why I lock the doors on my car. Social constructs are real because we make them real. So, if we don't discuss race openly then we perpetuate the problems of race, rather than reinforcing the good in accepting multiplicity of identities.

The original point of the construction of race was to categorize people in a heirarchy. In my view, the categorization of people is not the problem, although that is what seems to be the issue with people who don't want to talk about race because it is "divisive". The problem was the establishment of a heirarchy of people based on immutable characteristics or disliked behaviors. Perhaps part of what we need to accept if we are going to have this conversation, is that it is o.k. that we acknowlege that there are people who are different and their difference is of some consequence. Then we can move on to discussing that consequence and how to deal with it.

Finally, I think we should avoid casting judgement on someone's "perception of themselves". How about learning to accept how people see themselves? Just because it does not fit into your political project, doesn't mean their identity doesn't have meaning for them. Stop using your worldview as the standard by which to judge people. The first step towards a tolerant society is accepting other people's worldviews as possibly being legitimate.

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Everyone is brown!
Posted by: han on Jan 16, 2006 7:44 AM   
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Divide and conquer. By looking at what we all have different we can keep silly debates like this going for ever.

But lets look at what we all have in common: We're all Brown! We're all humans, we can all communicate with one another. Don't even go into discussing your racial background. Just reply "everyone's brown!"

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Where to go for more?
Posted by: john2two on Jan 16, 2006 9:20 AM   
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Maria Luisa, thank you for this excellent piece. Thank you for starting this conversation.

The cold fact is that I'm about as lily-white as a person can get. As far as I can tell, my ancestry is all from the British isles, but you have to go back many generations to reach anyone not born in North America. I was raised in a small college town in the Pacific Northwest in a family of educated liberals.

I hunger for a space where I can talk about ethnicity, and learn from others.

In my elementary school classes, there was one non-white kid. I think her family was of mixed latino-black-native american ancestry, but no one ever talked about it. She played mostly with the other kids from her immediate neighborhood. Over the years, our social circles diverged even further. As our 20th graduation anniversary approached, I even had to look her up in the year book to be sure that she had stayed with the class through graduation.

I have searched the web for her a couple times. I wish I could talk with her, and understand what her life was like. I wish I could see our mutual childhood through her eyes.

My Jewish wife grew up with mostly black and Puerto Rican friends. The aliens in her world were blonds. She and I talk about race, and she has taught me much by example and by discourse.

Damn straight I'm chock full of white liberal guilt. So what? Everybody's got to start where they start. If I stop growing, and stop learning at some point, everyone is welcome to mock me for my shallowness then. But for now, I want to listen my way out of the bias against the poor I learned as a child, and the stupid association of poorness with the chicanos from the next town over.

Do any of you know where I can find a web forum for conversations like this one?

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Divide & Conquer
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 16, 2006 9:30 AM   
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What are all of the race/ethnicity/cultural dividers going to do when, in a couple of years, no one group will be a majority in the U.S.? With the caucasian bogey man relegated to just another 'minority', who will be the next target of angst-ridden ethnic activists?

Nobody should be raised or live denying the heritage they have inherited but it should also not be the overriding fact of their life. One only needs to look at places like Iraq or the recent history of the former Yugoslavia to see the dangers inherent in this kind of thinking when carried to the extreme.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!"


MLK

When will people stop living in and being trapped by the past?

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Finding Words to Talk About "Race"
Posted by: FedUp on Jan 16, 2006 9:51 AM   
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Wow, there are aot of posts/opinions on this topic!
As a Latíno, I have to take exception to some of the author's comments.
The notion of "white" being the territory of non-Latínos, is always surprising to me. I suppose it stems from so many north Americans, both of Latíno and non-Latíno heritage never having traveled, or perhaps, having been brain-washed into believing something that isn't true.
Races? There isn't a "race" that isn't represented somewhere in Latin America; whether they're Germans in such places as Tovar, or ebony faces in coastal Colombia, to Asian faces in Mexico City.
Latin America is a true melting pot under the umbrella name.
My white mother was born and reared in a rural community outside Ponce, Puerto Rico, where there was no doubt as to their race, their ethnicity, or their nationality. That said; it didn't mean they wouldn't interact with others. My father is mixed race, and he was welcomed by my mother's friends and surrounding clans because he proved himself worthy of admiration.
My parents instilled in me a strong sense of identity, and I took over where they left off.
Now that I've been in this country since 1992, there isn't anything anyone can say that will make me feel inferior. I never use "white" to refer to non-Latínos; they have their own ethnic badges, and if they want me to use them, so be it, but they don't get to hijack "white" as theirs and theirs alone.
I won't speak Spanish words with an English accent so they'll feel comfortable, and I will correct their notions, misconceptions, and myths about Latínos. I always try to do this in a non-confrontational way, but I won't brook any nonsense either.
I try not to speak down to them, but childlike foolishness, that I know is an attempt to make me feel as though I come from some niche that they have created in order to make themselves feel superior isn't tolerated.
Do I make people squirm? Yes. But, I can't sit and placidly have my birthright manipulated for someone's soicio/political agenda.

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Fashions and facts
Posted by: Sojourner on Jan 16, 2006 10:45 AM   
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In his essay "The Antisemite" Sartre analyzes the twisted notion that ranks human beings on some arbitrary scale.

Hutu and Tutsi in Africa were categories made up by the Belgian invaders to differentiate light from dark skinned natives, making the former fashionable and the latter unfashionable. That arbitrary distinction became so identified with privilege, for the one, and resentment that it became a basis recently for ethnic warfare.

Right now, in another African nation, without that history, lighter skin and darker skin are being used to decide who will live and who will die.

Race is a category that has now gone out of fashion. But it still is being used as an excuse for sadism. No one can do anything about who their parents were, and the genetic disposition at birth.

The sadist is a tormented, twisted human being. The sadist will brutalize those of the same ethnicity as he. He may claim an excuse or reason for what he does, but he needs none. A sadist is what he does. We all are what we do, not how we look.

And, yes, we need to protect ourselves from such poison as much as possible.

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Power of Words
Posted by: nedwylie on Jan 16, 2006 12:44 PM   
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I've lived and worked in the midst of "PC" academia for about thirty years. (I'm an old white girl if you need to know). Politically-correct words in the context of race were meant shift power away from hateful epithets. They were meant to allow us to talk about race without causing offence. But instead they have to have muzzled civil, good-hearted folk and angered the old white guys.

Words can be powerful. I think it's time for civil, good-hearted folks to speak out. Get over the fear of offending--keep talking if you're misunderstood--speak from your heart. Those are the most powerful words of all.

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Too close vs Too high
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 16, 2006 1:20 PM   
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While not pronounced these days unlike in the past, one can always say this of racism when it does show up.

In the North, you (non-white) folks can go as high as you want as long as you don't get near them (whites).

In the South, you (non-white) folks can be as close to them (white) folks as long as you don't go high.

I'm not a "colored" guy but I don't feel comfortable with this stereotype still lingering to this day.

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» RE: Too close vs Too high Posted by: afrothetics
CondeJodido
Posted by: CondeJodido on Jan 16, 2006 2:37 PM   
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Thank you, Maria Luisa, for reminding me of my anglicization that occurred when I was a boy in Arizona. An excellent 7th grade teacher advised my mother during a parent teacher conference that he found me to be a promising student but that with a name like Jose, I would not have any opportunity. My mother changed my first name from Jose Antonio to "Joseph Anthony" in school records and I used that name through high school, college, and my working career. I even obtained a passport under that name. This was obviously accomplished pre 9/11 and our so called war on terror becuase my birth certificate reads Jose Antonio. Thanks again for eloquently and poignantly reminding me.

Que le vaya bien.

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» RE: CondeJodido Posted by: ElisaDetroit
Words exist in abundance to talk about race/ethnicity
Posted by: emaroda on Jan 16, 2006 3:09 PM   
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This article was nice, but not deep. We have the tools to discuss race or at the very least learn about "race" and ethnicity for ourselves. I agree with Maria Luisa. We do need to talk about race issues and learn the definitions and sociology behind the affliction of U.S. racism. But the laguage for these discussions already exists. We need to acquire our tools for discussing this subject matter if we hope to intelligently move forward with some kind of progressive agenda. These tools and resources exist in the form of wrtitings by Bell Hooks, Audre Lorde, Cherrie Moraga, Ana Castillo, and most importantly Gloria Anzaldua. I wonder if in all of Maria Luisa's "thinking" about finding "words" she has bothered to read some of the renowned authors out there writing profoundly about race. Read a Cornell West book. There is no need for this level of uncertainty about where we fit in at this stage in the game. High School kids, yes they should be confused. Otherwise we as inquisitive adults have the power to read, research, and write our theories/experiences to find our answers. Here's to hoping all those with questions start utilizing resources when researching for their answers!

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» But...so does misinformation Posted by: afrothetics
real
Posted by: negrita7 on Jan 16, 2006 3:09 PM   
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Make no mistake, race is quite real. There is no scientific basis for such categorization, but as lived experience, there is no denying the utterly tangible nature of "race" in this world, let alone this country. Given this, one must be able to negotiate the terrain. It would be naive in the extreme to think that if those of us in the know about the lack of a genetic basis just stop identifying racially, there would be any real world benefits to this. I am a mixed race person so I am sensitive to the problems of racial categorization on a day to day basis. Nonetheless I am a firm proponent of strategic essentialism. When I walk out my door, I'm a woman of color and this fact permeates my life. We are all "marked" and these physical markings are given meaning by the society in which we live. To acknowledge this is fundamental in understanding how the world works.

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Intraracism
Posted by: harambee on Jan 16, 2006 4:52 PM   
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Your conversation with the Hispanic gentleman had me thinking about how people within a "race" can be just as critical as people outside of it.

As an African American from the South, I know how blacks have been conditioned to believe that the less African you look, the better. Flatten the hair, bleach the skin, avoid the sun because "Lord knows you don't need to get any darker". Despite the Black Is Beautiful movement in the 1970's, self-hate still grips many Southern women.

Well, a lesser-known "movement", the increase of natural hair styles, started in the 1990's. More and more blacks are learning to embrace the kink in their hair and work with what God gave them. For some, it is just a trend, but for many, it is a lifelong decision. In my case, I plan to remain natural.

I wanted to go natural and drop the scalp burning chemicals that took my hair out on a regular basis. I thought about it for a brief moment in college, but I thought my parents would kill me. Also, I thought I would get laughed at or something. However, over three years ago, I gave up relaxers and grew a small Afro. I now have locs (dreadlocks), and I so glad that I am now able to embrace who I really am.

Yes, I get weird looks, and I know people assume things, but it's not about pleasing others. It's about being able to live with yourself.

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» RE: Intraracism Posted by: benzene
Resources on the Color-Line
Posted by: afrothetics on Jan 16, 2006 5:18 PM   
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I'm enjoying the this thread. Thank you Maria Luisa. However, the lack of knowledge about the history of US society and its egregious application of "race" as a means of human exploitation and political control reveals why institutional racism continues unabated and why those "old white men out there" -- together with their younger recruits -- with loyalties to White supremacy are still able to perpetuate crimes against humanity here and overseas without requisite penalty.

Folks, there is a reason that over 50% of prisons are filled with African American males and 10% Hispanic, while the prisons are largely located in predominately Anglo communities. This incarceration rate has nothing to do with real crime. Ask yourselves, how many people who commit white collar crime ever go to real prison? The legacy of the institutions that were spawned during slavery survives in the institutions in which the majority of US citizen work and support. That's why we speak of "institutional racism."

To the question of Web resources, try Frank Sweet's forum on US racialism here. Frank has written a host of well-informed papers on the subject. His bibliographies will lead you to more materials. However, a reading of Lerone Bennett, Jr.'s "The Shaping of Black America" is essential.

If you want to really live on the fence, you can read various views at the Interracial Voice or Multiracial Activist. Both offer good and bad content. Escaping the debate of Black v. White, given that "race" is a social construct, may get easier as US citizens become more knowledgeable about the genome project and "race." But, I doubt it.

The problem, IMO, is that the human misery left behind in the wake of White supremacy will remain as Maria Luisa noted in reference to what Hurricane Katrina exposed. Just as we are having this discourse in 2006; just as we continue to let our national assets be robbed by Bush and the neoconservatives; just as we continue to let the war continue in Iraq at over a billion/week, while our schools are being defunded lets me know that too many are not willing to solve the problem of the color-line either. It's easier for most to support the institutionalized demands of White supremacy regardless of their ethnicity.

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love to Alternet
Posted by: owleyes on Jan 16, 2006 6:56 PM   
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I'm so happy that Alternet exists, so we can talk about things like this. All you people should check out conservative threads, if you haven't already. They're full of pompous self-regard and personal attacks on anyone who voices disagreement. It's always personal attacks, that's the first weapon they instinctively reach for. On Alternet, people disagree all the time, about everything, but at least you can usually see where someone's coming from, and people have legitimate reasons (which they are actually aware of and do deign to disclose) for having the beliefs they do. Reason holds currency on Alternet, which is, I am slowly discovering, kind of rare. I have learned a lot about different perspectives on race from this thread and the article preceding it. Maria Luisa Tucker accomplished her goal of inciting a dialogue, and is to be commended.

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Culture v. Race
Posted by: benzene on Jan 16, 2006 9:37 PM   
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I'll readily admit that I'm white. So white that my fiance, more of a caramel herself, likes to say that I glow in the dark. I live in Ann Arbor, one of the supposed liberal meccas of the Midwest, but even here, I find that we get stared at simply because our skin colors don't match. What's worse, people don't take our relationship seriously. White girls hit on me in front of my fiance, assuming that the disparity of our skin tones means that our relationship is neither deep, loving, nor committed.
So perhaps people are openly tolerant of race, but the culture is such that race exists in carefully seperated zones, and blasphemy results from blurring them.

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» RE: Culture v. Race Posted by: zinnia
» RE: Culture v. Race Posted by: benzene
» RE: Culture v. Race Posted by: zinnia
Tucker should reject hypodescent and "white purity"
Posted by: blanca on Jan 16, 2006 11:15 PM   
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"Race" is a lot more complicated than Tucker suggests. "Whites" are not racially "pure" and "minorities" are not all innocent victims who never oppress anybody. She also appears to be an advocate of hypodescent, the idea (originating in racist ideology) that people of mixed descent have some kind of biological and moral obligation to identify only with the lowest status ancestry.

When Are Irish-Americans Not Good Enough to Be Irish-American? "Racial Kidnaping" and the Case of the Healy Family

http://www.interracialvoice.com/powell8.html

Racial Mixture, "White" Identity, and The "Forgotten" (or censored) Cause of the Civil War
http://www.interracialvoice.com/powell9.html

White Racial Identity, Racial Mixture, and the "One Drop Rule"
http://www.melungeon.org/
http://multiracial.com/content/view/417/27/

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OK with me. OK with Jew?
Posted by: mr5roses on Jan 17, 2006 8:19 AM   
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This Jew wouldn't know what to call himself if he didn't call himself a Jew.

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» RE: OK with me. OK with Jew? Posted by: ebdotkom
heinz 57
Posted by: karyse on Jan 17, 2006 11:02 AM   
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I am, I suppose, "white." I spent a good portion of my childhood in a neighborhood filled with "polaks," "mics," and "dagos" (the immigrants that filled the coal mines) -- and yes, as children we told numerous jokes about all of them and laughed uproariously at our own expense. All of us were "mixed" -- my paternal grandmother claimed that she was Polish/Catholic (though I suspected there was Jewish somewhere), my mother was Italian (direct from Italy), and my paternal grandfather was descended from mixes of Nordic countries and Scottish.

How did it come to pass that the Irish escaped their early tags? the Italians? The Poles? Why can't everyone?

At the risk of minimizing the problem, could it be that the recognition that they were all poor and oppressed, and their consequent radicalism (unions, anarchy, communism) made them realize that how "us" and "them" was actually "rich" and "poor"?

As long as the people of the U.S. can't or won't understand that I (as a "white, working class, woman") have more in common with a Mexican "wage slave" than I'll ever have in common with Hilary Clinton, there will be no change.

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Daph
Posted by: Daph on Jan 17, 2006 11:19 AM   
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Wonderful discussion! The word "discrimination" has perjorative connotions, but biologically it's an essential part of survival for any mammal. Young animals don't survive long if they don't learn to associate "difference" with "potential preditor." Just because another animal walks on all fours and has fur doesn't mean it has good intentions. Or, for that matter, is your own species but does not belong to your tribe.

Discrimination is part of biological hard-wiring. The problem begins with assigning "value" to specific qualities that account for differences within a species. And the more complex a society becomes, the more arbitrary these values. In hunter-gatherer societies, division of labor by gender makes sense because it ensures survival of the species/tribe: both males and females perform equally necessary roles.

In America, we still struggle with this biological difference as we place a higher value on economic success than on, for example, education.

And America is still struggling with another biological difference: my tribe versus other tribes. It's as if we've finally agreed (well, all but the most rabid biggots) that we're all canines, but are their tribes wolves, retrievers, cyotes, or pekenese? Until we know, we sniff the wind and check out their scat before we decide "may be friend" or "could be foe."

Whichever decision we come to, we generally base it on cultural cues, things we learned growing up as "values" -- lightness or darkness of skin, hair texture, language, accent, economic status, education, music preference. And we accept as friends those who are most like ourselves IN THE AREAS MOST IMPORTANT TO US.

Do I discriminate? You bet! My own bias happens to be: kindness, sense of humor, wide interests, open-mindedness, love of music. My friends look like a dog pound collection, not just in terms of "breed" but in other "cultural values."

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» RE: Daph Posted by: owleyes
National Geographic genome project
Posted by: jwg on Jan 17, 2006 6:26 PM   
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I am an old (61) white guy. Recently I sent in a DNA sample to the National Geographic project where they identify from your sample your heritage. It is a little expensive $99 but what I found out is that my people were the Cro-Magnons M363. They were the ones that populated Spain, France, England, Ireland and most of Europe and killed off the Neanderthals. But that is not the point. If you go to that web site and trace back from genetic marker M363 it goes back to M45 in the Hindu Kush where it split one group going west to Europe the other into Siberia and across the land bridge to North America, these were some of my mothers relatives she was part Cherokee.

If you trace back from M45 it goes back to Africa to a man we are all related to. When will we learn that all humans are members of the same family no matter what we look like or come from?

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Great column
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Jan 18, 2006 12:55 PM   
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Thanks Maria Luisa for your column. I'm an immigrant to although sometimes people don't know it. My folks came over to the US from England in 1983 when I was 8. We lived in the UK also from 1987-91. My accent obviously betrayed me when we returned to the US in '91 and I was uncomfortable with all the attention. I would say to kids, you have an accent too. Why is mine considered special? I covered it up because I was shy. Skip forward and I realize now (well, I've realized for a long time) that when people don't know where you're from and yet you are most definitely different (I like British foods that I ate when I was a teenager and a kid, I like football (futbol), I use plenty of English phrases and words) there's a clash because people try and attribute your differentness to other things. I wish I hadn't been so shy when I came here because if I speak with my British accent, it's amazing what different results I get. Anyway....I love reading about peoples' experiences with race and just wish everyone the best. It's so sad to read of the ignorance and simple-mindedness of bigots.

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Oppression is not avoided by striving for sameness
Posted by: herbivore on Jan 18, 2006 9:22 PM   
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A lot of posters touched on how race is real no matter how much some people would like to think that we are really all of one human race. I want to expand on it: oppression is not avoided by striving for sameness. People are different, and how people are divided is a cultural tool by which certain groups dominate other groups and people. Race in particular has become lever for individuals and institutions to divide and oppress.

A strategy of "we're all brown" (or pinkish-brown whatever the colour mix