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Bush's Unlikely Co-conspirators
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The domestic spy scandal first looked like another unilateral move by a president bent on doing secretly what he refused to admit publicly. After 9/11, President Bush ordered the National Security Agency to surveil phone calls and emails of Americans in the U.S. In an amazing confession last month, Bush admitted disregarding the law in authorizing the spy program in 2002, opening himself to impeachment charges and NSA officials to criminal indictment.
Underscoring the gravity of the president's actions, last Friday the Congressional Research Service, a nonpartisan research arm of Congress, found that Bush apparently had no authority to bypass Congress in ordering domestic spying, saying in a polite understatement that the legal rationale "does not seem to be as well-grounded."
The congressional report is another blow to Bush's flimsy argument that his spying order is legal. But it is now clear that Bush has a second defense that is more difficult to dismiss: the claim that by briefing selected members of Congress on the program, he essentially sought and gained legislative approval for domestic spying.
Indeed, at least seven Democrats in the House were briefed by the Bush administration on the spy program as far back as four years ago. Among those briefed include Nancy Pelosi, House Democratic leader. Last week, Pelosi released a previously classified letter documenting some of her concerns about NSA spying. The question that went unanswered is why Pelosi -- and the other Democrats, including former South Dakota Sen. Tom Daschle and West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller -- never blew the whistle publicly on the program.
Pelosi, Daschle and Rockefeller each privately expressed dismay over the spying program -- in secret. They didn't go public with their concerns because they were bound by rules governing classified briefings of congressional members. These classified briefings were launched more than 20 years ago as a reform in the oversight of the nation's spy apparatus. But like many other reforms, classified briefings have become perverted and, in the hands of President Bush and Vice President Cheney, have become gags that prevent Congress members from doing their job.
In the mid-1970s, abuses by the CIA and the FBI led to a series of reforms that included the formation of House and Senate oversight committees. Members of these committees received classified briefings on secret operations conducted by the U.S. government. The briefings were seen as a way for Congress to exert some control over the president.
The concept is proving to be flawed, however. As a condition of receiving a classified briefing, the congressional member agrees not to disclose any of the contents. That creates a double bind. The member can object but only privately.
Pelosi got caught in this bind. If she blows the whistle on the spy program, she ran the risk of being stripped of her security clearance -- and sanctioned by the Republican-controlled House. Even worse, she might have betrayed some of her closest political allies, such as the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Jane Harman, who seems to have approved the secret spying program. So Pelosi shut her mouth, kept her grave misgivings private -- and betrayed the American people.
She didn't have to. She could have blown the whistle on the program. Such whistle-blowing is rare but not unprecedented. In 1995, for instance, then-Rep. Robert G. Torricelli, D-N.J., was told by a State Department employee that a paid CIA informant, Guatemalan Col. Julio Roberto Alpirez, was involved in the killing of an American citizen's husband. Then a member of the House Intelligence Committee, Torricelli complained the CIA was doing nothing to uncover the facts of the case for the widow, Jennifer Harbury.
Of course, Alpirez's identity and ties to the CIA were classified; Torricelli revealed them anyway. In March 1995, Torricelli listed Alpirez's name and his connection to the CIA in a letter to President Clinton and gave a copy of the letter to the New York Times. Torricelli was sanctioned for his actions, but they stand as a reminder that members of Congress can blow the whistle on classified briefings in extraordinary circumstances. Bush's domestic spying program qualifies.
Little more than a year ago, President Bush stood for re-election. Didn't the American people deserve to know that he'd authorized a secret domestic spying program? Pelosi opposed Bush, knew about the program -- and didn't say a word. Neither did Rockefeller or Daschle.
The failure of these Democrats to risk personal censure for the greater public good can give the impression there is actually only one political party in the U.S., and that opposition and dissent on issues of security in Washington are only a mirage.
There is a way out of this sorry situation. As the congressional lobbying scandal widens, there will be calls for new rules to limit lobbyist influence over House and Senate members. These new rules are needed. But new rules are also needed over classified briefings. These briefings have failed to limit abuses by the government's spy agencies. They have perversely given political and legal protection to the very people committing illegalities. Congress members need to have the explicit authority to take their concerns to the public when they learn of objectionable, or illegal, spy programs. The president, of course, will counter that he will not give any classified briefings without a prior gag rule on House and Senate members.
Congressional members should challenge the president and end classified briefings, if necessary. These briefings mock the principles of representative government. They should be reformed, or halted.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 10, 2006 2:58 AM
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We democrats (OK, I'm thinking of re-registering) have to get their (our) act together and throw out the dead weight like Joe Leiberman and Hillary Clinton (Yes, Hillary Clinton) who have been dragging the party down. We have to nominate progressives. Real progressives. I can't use the "L" word because the right wing have turned THAT word into an expletive AND WE LET IT HAPPEN!
In the next year and a half, our most important goal will be a landslide victory in November followed by the impeachment and imprisonment of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Let's just hand the hideous bastards over to the Hague. Let's face it; They've committed too many war crimes to count. On that happy note....
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Posted by: the republic on Jan 10, 2006 4:48 AM
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What is more important; their careers or the Constitution and American citizens? Did they too, not swear an oath to uphold the Constitution?
A far cry from "Give me liberty or give me death."
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Posted by: katinmn on Jan 10, 2006 5:21 AM
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They get a pass because they feared being arrested? Bah. They're elected officals. It is their job to provide OVERSIGHT on behalf of all citizens. I think they let the country down by playing CYA and being good little Democrats.
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Posted by: scohol on Jan 10, 2006 5:50 AM
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Posted by: guijackb on Jan 10, 2006 6:12 AM
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I swear, when I first glanced at this story, weeks ago in other media, I thought "That F*&%^$! Joe Lieberman!" Because I assumed that it was a Republican in Democratic costume that would agree to conspire with Bush to hide the fact that our government decided that the 4th Amendment would join the other portions of our Constitution left on the cutting room floor [in Cheney's office].
But, NO!
It's so called REAL Democrats, even a Liberal [Pelosi] who decided that the illegal [warrantless] listening in on private conversations, as well as [warrantless] breaking and entering into American homes to sneak peek personal documents, would be allowed to go on in secret, WITHOUT THE TOTALLY USELESS DEMOCRATS WARNING US OF THE CHANGE FROM CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY TO DICTATORSHIP THEY ALLOWED!
I AM SO DAMN MAD AT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE COUNTRY I ONCE THOUGHT I KNEW!
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Posted by: NDnative on Jan 10, 2006 6:20 AM
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Posted by: liberalibrarian on Jan 10, 2006 8:01 AM
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Keep the priorties straight.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jan 10, 2006 8:01 AM
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We must shut this cesspool of idiocarcy down for the sake of all People,for the sake of the Nation and thr restoration of Libert and Freedom to the People.
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Posted by: jareilly on Jan 10, 2006 9:03 AM
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Sure, we should be pissed off at Pelosi, Rockefeller and the appalling wimp, Tom Daschle, but we should not be surprised.
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Posted by: vespasian01 on Jan 10, 2006 9:18 AM
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Posted by: starvinmarvy on Jan 10, 2006 10:19 AM
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"sited" person had wouldn`t pay damages.To make a long story short ..after the judgement was made and handshakes
were given...these lawyers practically slap each other on the
back ..ask how they`ve been...hows the family..ect. And as we reach our cars I ask my lawyer "whats with all that"? I`m paying (rediculous rates by the way)this guy to go to "battle" for me and afterword ..their all buddy buddy.Like that cartoon with the sheepdog and the wolf who are pals until they punch the timeclock and go after each other for 8 hours.Anyway....
thats excactly what we have down there in Washington! This
group of lawyers/doctors/exterminators...who party together,
visit each others families,send cards to each other/kids play with each other/ect. are just like that!! Then..they go to work in the morning...pretend to stand for us..rant and rave a little
bit...debate some....pretend to serve their districts...punch the timeclock...and they`re grabbin each others ass`s again!
At least ..that is what this government of ours appears to me to be.....the Ulimate Country Club !!!
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Posted by: ScottP on Jan 10, 2006 10:48 AM
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This information is available in the open press for those interested in looking. The pretenses about losing clearances is bogus. Aviation Week, Jane's Defense, and other publications have covered it. Yes, you have to pay for a subscription or go to a library for most of it, but much of it can also be found right here on the internet for free. Try searching for things like COMINT and SIGINT.
Pelosi is a liar, she keeps voting YES on the defense appropriations, instead of voting NO until they axe out the funding for domestic spying, uranium artillery and bullets, chemical weapons, and MK77 napalm. She pretends that the defense bills need to be approved as-is for national security, when in fact wars of aggression, torture, and napalm all decrease our security and are only done for the benefit of her robber baron masters.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 10, 2006 12:52 PM
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The main problem is that the Democratic Party relies on soundbites and polls rather than an ideological infrastructure or they wouldn't be this far behind already. And let's not forget what Lakoff meant when he talks about how "conservatives" respect their intellectuals and keep their rotten ideology amazingly alive while there is no progressive infrasture to counter it because of the way they misunderstand the true meaning of nurturance. Think about it. A rightwinger can make voters feel like he or she is one of them even though in reality that same rightwinger maximizes their self-interest, much of it through robbing what's left of their voters who gave up their trust. A leftwinger/centrist on the otherhand gives a weak speech about helping the poor but for all their records, they cave in to the right and even disrespect their intellectuals. For example, a typical California "liberal" who calls himself or herself an environmentalist would make fun of children in North Dakota who choose to ride an animal to school. Remember, it's the IDEOLOGY stupid !!!
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Posted by: jamesr on Jan 10, 2006 1:43 PM
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I wouldn't respect a political leader who would break their oath--reqardless if to the Senate for a security clearance or the Constitution. They were right in not releasing confidential information they had sworn to protect--this exact opposite of which all of you gleefully point to Libby Rove etc in the Plame case. You are just like the worst of the Right Wing--your ideology is first and you are mighty happy to be a hypocryte on this issue for it's sake. They did better for continuing to have that security clearance over the last three years and be able to see more of what the white house was doing. I know most of these folks personally--and none of you could hold a candle to their ethics. Torrecelli--your hero--on the other hand is just what he is--corrupt pond scum.
Why don't you guys stop trying to out Nazi the Nazi's and do some good in the country for a change?
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Posted by: Gma1 on Jan 10, 2006 1:43 PM
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With the Bush administration who can say whether one would receive "censure" for breaking the law. (As I understand it, this is not an "agreement" but a "law". ) Under Bill Clinton one might receive censure. However, all of the briefed Democrats most likely assumed that Bush would go to the secret court for permission, which he did not. Did they not just learn that he did not do that? It's so easy to write about something like this, but, indeed, being the person on the spot is something entirely different. The fourth estate is the best answer, and that's what happened. You might be asking yourself why the NYTIMES held the story up for so long. National Security is not a game. One has to be very careful as the laws protecting it may not always be correct but they are serious.
After reading this essay, I asked my husband, who had a double major in college one of which was English, what does one call an idea put forth in a piece that one then proceeds to totally discredit. He thought for only a moment then replied, "Stupidity." I have to agree.
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Posted by: jtrout on Jan 10, 2006 2:22 PM
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Posted by: VoiceOfReason on Jan 10, 2006 3:05 PM
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1. The Democrats involved were miserable cowards who valued their own political careers ahead of the good of the country.
2. The Democrats involved were conspiring with Republicans to restore the "imperial presidency" (which, incidentally, would dilute their own power.)
Missing from this exhaustive list of two, of course, is the simplest and likeliest explanation:
3. The Democrats involved, who received detailed briefings and therefore knew a lot more about the program than you or I or Zachary or for that matter the New York Times, concluded that it was legal and that its status as classified was necessary and appropriate.
But of course that possibility didn't even enter Zachary's mind. President Bush approved the program, therefore it must be illegal, right?
Zachary does deserve kudos, however, for his suggestion that classified briefings should end. Inanity on that scale is truly rare.
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Posted by: texshelters on Jan 10, 2006 3:40 PM
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Peace,
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Posted by: jimmytwotimescoffee on Jan 12, 2006 5:04 PM
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1) You can't really set up a murder, unless you do some surveillance. When the Secret Government kills people, they use all of their technical skills and access to electronic surveillance to set up the murder.
3) The CALEA was passed after the OK CITY Bomb fiasco when our intel community (CIA, NSA, NSC, FBI, DOJ) all aided and abetted the conspiracy to commit this act of domestic terrorism. This was an "Operation Northwoods" type false flag operation in which a patsy is set up and sheep dipped as a militia member...so that the political dividend leads to fear of patriots acting as terrorists.
4) CALEA required all telecom providers to install computerized switching that allows the secret police to "wiretap immediately" after the computerized switch connects the phone line to another phone line. This info is catologued on the hard disk computer at the main terminal of every telecom provider.
5) This CALEA hard disk info...captures evidence of all warrantless wiretapping by law enforcement, the NSC, NSA, etc. Mossad hacked it with entry into the back door...and used it to protect their ecstasy rings in America. No charges or news of these conspiracies have ever been given any attention.
6) So...if a guy wanted to...he could have the demonstrative evidence showing political spying by the NSC and NSA...and compare that info to some of the political murders that have benefitted notable GOP politicians like JOHN ASHCROFT benefitting from MEL CARNAHAN'S airplane going down. And NORM COLEMAN benefitting from PAUL WELLSTONE'S airplane going down. Who benefitted from JFK Jr's airplane going down, after the intel community found out that "John John" was gonna run for the presidency under the Democratic ticket.
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