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Solving the Immigration Dilemma

By Neil Peirce, Stateline.org. Posted January 3, 2006.


A California Republican proposes a middle ground between anti-immigrant xenophobia and the nation's need for unskilled labor.
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The immigration dilemma and us -- how do we decide?

We seem faced by stark alternatives: One is to despair of effective controls, to grant blanket amnesty for the 11 million or so immigrants who broke the law by entering the U.S. illegally. After all, they wouldn't be here if we weren't taking advantage of their ultra-low-cost labor -- from maids to farm workers, gardeners to dishwashers -- in benefit-bereft jobs most Americans now spurn.

Indeed, if every undocumented worker disappeared from the country tomorrow, big sections of the U.S. agriculture machine, unable to compete in the global commodity market without cheap labor, would collapse. We'd become as dangerously reliant on food imports as we are on oil imports today.

But wait a moment, say others: These folks broke the law to enter America. They're swelling the costs for our schools, they're putting big burdens on health care and criminal justice systems. We want them gone.

The U.S. House under its Republican leadership feels that way: in December it passed a bill requiring deportation for every undocumented worker caught, big fines for employers who give illegal immigrants jobs, and a stunning $2.2 billion to construct double-layer border fences in Arizona and California -- America's 21st century version of the Berlin Wall. Senate action is expected this month.

Can there be a middle ground here?

It's tough. One senses a certain hatefulness, 21st-century xenophobia, in the anti-immigrant camp. Check the individual illegal immigrant and you often find a worker from a pitifully poor rural village, desperate for a better life, sending money back to family. He or she lives in constant fear of arrest and deportation, subject to raw exploitation by employers. Yet this so-called "illegal" may be more hard working and responsible to family than many affluent, take-it-all-for-granted middle-class Americans.

Amazingly, we grant only 5,000 permanent visas for low-skilled workers annually. And no matter how many walls and laws we erect, borders remain tough to seal. Recent crackdowns -- doubling our border patrol forces to 10,000, spending billions in added enforcement -- have backfired seriously by discouraging undocumented workers from returning to their home countries, because re-entering the U.S. can be so dangerous.

President Bush and Sens. John McCain and Edward Kennedy, among others, have proposed guest worker programs as middle ground -- only to see House Republican leaders swear total opposition. Maybe a political shift in Congress will have to come first.

But a Republican businessman from Fresno, Calif., is proposing a truly thoughtful formula we might start debating. He's Peter Weber, himself an immigrant from Lima, Peru, in 1959. Now retired from CEO-level positions in several major corporations, Weber has plunged into civic leadership roles in Fresno -- a city especially heavily impacted by immigration.

Weber's plan includes a guest worker program, but one specifically offering the prospect for long-term U.S. residency, even citizenship, for workers who demonstrate a serious, long-term track record of job-holding and responsibility.

First step -- all undocumented immigrant workers would be given four months to make a choice: sign up for the new guest worker program, leave the U.S., or risk deportation and lifelong ineligibility for U.S. residence. Those electing to sign up would be offered tamper-proof identity cards and told they can stay for up to three years, or six more years with renewals, with a big "if" -- if they can show they have a specific "guest worker contract" with an employer or labor contractor.

Employers, for their part, would have to assure some type of health benefits for all guest workers. Fines would triple for any that then hire illegal immigrants.

Second, there'd be a "step-up" for guest workers -- to permanent U.S. residency. But they'd first have to be a guest worker at least 30 months, demonstrate English proficiency, pass a "residency exam" on the basics of U.S. governance, and have a clean police record. They could also apply for citizenship -- but only after they leave the U.S., and then re-enter the country legally.

Third, the country would continue to protect its borders as vigorously as it can, especially in view of post-9/11 security considerations.

Why this complex "carrot and stick" approach? It's because, says Weber, "we have created 'castes' in our society like never before, breeding discrimination on one side and resentment on the other." Just check France, he suggests, for the consequences when a society fails to integrate a major contingent of foreign workers from another culture.

None of the national guest worker bills now pending, says Weber, make the critical differentiation between residency and citizenship. They're short on positive inducements that benefit both the workers and the nation. America's demand for security and for low-cost labor can't be ignored, he says. But it's also essential our approaches "be based on the fundamental American values of fairness and compassion."

A debate based on realism and values? Should we settle for anything less?

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Neil Peirce is a member of the Washington Post Writers Group and is the founder of the Citistates Reports.

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Illegal is Illegal
Posted by: BeeGee on Jan 3, 2006 6:49 AM   
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Hello?! What part of illegal don't we understand? Whether someone is from Iran or Mexico, if they're here without documentation, they're illegal! We can either give "friendly" illegals some kind of legal status or deport them. It seems that simple to me. And about all those jobs that allegedly only non-Americans can or will do, it appears that there are lots of healthy citizens standing on corners with "Work for Food" signs, not to mention the hundreds of thousands that are kept off the work force through imprisonment for victimless crimes. I'm not against immigrant labor per se, don't get me wrong, I'm just against allowing some illegal immigrants to be here in a limbo status while U.S. citizens are required to educate, feed, and heal them during their unproductive times. Either make them legal -- which our immigration laws have numerous ways to accomplish -- or ship them out.

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Flawed assumptions, and a critical problem.
Posted by: JoshuaHolland on Jan 3, 2006 9:16 AM   
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The two posters before me both seem to believe that 1) there's an "invasion" underway and 2) immigrants drain rather than add to the economy.

The first assertion is just false: the numbers of undocumented migrants fluctuate at any given point in time, but have remained relatively stable in recent years.

The second assertion is oversimplified. Undocumented immigrants are less likely to use social services than native-born workers for fear of being caught, but they have payroll taxes withheld nonetheless.

What the most rigorous analyses show is that economically, there's a short-term versus long-term trade-off: many immigrants pose a small, short-term cost to society, but when you include their offspring in the next generation, immigrant families bring a net positive to the American economy (even those without a highschool diploma contribute a net of $8,000 dollars to the U.S. economy when you factor the second generation into the equation).

I'll offer more detail on this in a subsequent article.

As to the essay, the proposed "solution" has a fatal flaw:

Those electing to sign up would be offered tamper-proof identity cards and told they can stay for up to three years, or six more years with renewals, with a big "if" -- if they can show they have a specific "guest worker contract" with an employer or labor contractor.

This sounds fine. But, as we learned from the Bracero program, tying workers to a specific employer leaves them especially vulnerable. Thinking about organizing? Well, you're fired and deported. Demanding better wages, housing, job conditions? Well, you're fired and deported. Won't put out for the boss? You get the picture. It creates a situation tailor-made for abuse.

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» RE: Flawed stats Posted by: Unbowed
» RE: Flawed stats Posted by: JoshuaHolland
» RE: Flawed stats Posted by: drone
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» RE: Flawed stats Posted by: threedfm
taking advantage of their ultra-low-cost labor
Posted by: Unbowed on Jan 3, 2006 9:36 AM   
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The Berlin Wall. Please. I understand why this characterization of any wall that impeded mass illegal immigration might be made. I think it is a purposeful caricature with its intent transparent and its mission to mislead. In other words...I don't see how securing our borders against the aforementioned is anything like a wall build to keep its own people in. Pure bull.

This writers argument is that American workers here are not working hard enough or for little enough and must therefor be replaced with those who will, instead of bringing the wages and conditions of workers here up to a decent standard. I'm sure that many of these illegals are noble and worthy of our admiration. I'm sure many are of great character. Fine. But we have people here who are of no less character who want jobs.

We don't have much work for pickers around here my naive Friends. Its New York and an oh so obvious explosion of workers on the corners of our streets is being picked up every day by those looking to exploit this resource. Do you think that being a maid or picking fruit, is all a Mexican can do? Isn't that stupid? How insulting to Mexicans is that? Will not all jobs that can be done for less, be done for less, by these replacement workers? To underestimate them is a lie. It is the reasoning and conclusion of an ignorant bigot to say that Mexicans will only, or do only, take certain jobs. They take any job they can get. Including yours if they can. And may do them well, illegally and for less.

May I point out that those who work for less today will ask for more tomorrow. It has been and always will be true. The scab will, after securing one's job, eventually ask for more wages.

So what many suggest, is that we postpone improving things for those who are here, and not doing well, so that those who are doing well, can get a bargain and benefit from those who are most desperate of all. Isn't that special.

As sure as I'm sitting here, when those who work for nothing now, ask for more later, more noble hardworking souls will replace them! Will they not? And on, and on. Its called keeping the working class, the poor working class.

Bend over America. Here is what we have for you for all your hard work and for being uppity enough to ask for a living wage and an eight hour day. Replacements. Reagan's world.

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jjgudat
Posted by: Andie927 on Jan 3, 2006 10:17 AM   
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I am not anti-legal-immagration!

I do have some personal observations to add to this subject.
1. These work visa's to fill jobs for which there (supposedly) aren't any Americans to fill, is bogus! Husband in 80' dual degree in CS, at Employment office found job he was 'perfectly' qualified for. Told NOT to bother applying. It was only posted to 'fill legal requirment'. An Indian (from Inda) was already hired!
2. Here in North/Central Florida, we have a lot of 'fern pickers' that are illegal. They live in horrible sub-standard conditions, so they can "send money home". I've heard a figure in the millions being sent weekly, out of this country to Mexico, and South America! Law enforcemnet in this area has a big problem with undocumented workers, because they know nothings going to happen to them when they break the law.
When 3 of my 4 gradparents immagrated, they came here, to 'build' a life. They committed to living in this country! Not in sub-standard conditions, and sending the money they earned out of this country.
3. Exactly what proof is there that ALL these illegal workers pay all State and Fedeal employment taxes? I doubt it! Wouldn't that eliminate the 'Profit' factor in hiring them in the first place?
4. Illegal immigrants willingness to work for "low" wages, keeps wages down for everyone else! People who do want to work, and are here honestly, and just want to earn enough to 'live' in a manner that's considered 'normal' by American standards.
5. We have a huge Prison population that would be thrilled to work these type of jobs. Plus, it would give prisoners the ability to help support their families, and/or save so they have a nest-egg for when their released, so their not forced back into a life of crime upon their release.

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» RE: jjgudat Posted by: ftorres
More neo-liberal corporate racism
Posted by: numen on Jan 3, 2006 11:37 AM   
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Ironic that ten minutes after reading Alternet's piece describing how life has become difficult for working Americans we see all the tired, racist justifications why we should make life more difficult by forcing American workers to compete for the slave level wages of third world countries.

Those of us whose formerly middle class jobs are now in India and whose paychecks have been cut by 75% or worse are finally becoming much more sympathetic to the plight of those whose working class manufacturing jobs went to Asia in the 80's and now those whose barely-above- poverty level jobs are being taken away by those working off the books for less than minimum wage.

The author uses attack language such as "hatefulness, 21st-century xenophobia" in describing those who are already living on the edge and now being pushed over the brink to benefit agribusiness combines.

Mr. Pierce, just who are those "take-it-all-for-granted middle-class Americans" who you think are being replaced by those you see as " more hard working and responsible"? Yes, they are those who a generation ago were being dismissed as "lazy and shiftless".

Today's white "liberals" (now ever so neo) are once again doing their level best to keep down those "uppity" folks who want reasonable wages, benefits, and working conditions by replacing them with those whose skins are a little more brown and a little less black.

And so we get to hear about how wonderful it is to bring in millions of illegals every year to do "all those jobs Americans won't do" even if they have to dump into the abyss all those Americans who were just doing them.

If you white, you all right.
If you brown, you can stick around.
But as you black, oh baby,
Get back, get back, get back!

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Global comodity market the real cause
Posted by: antu on Jan 3, 2006 12:22 PM   
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....U.S. agriculture machine, unable to compete in the global commodity market without cheap labor, would collapse...
The first step would be to acknowledge that the global agriculture machine needs to revamp it's environmental and labor business ethics.
People would not be rushing into the US if they had decent wages and work environments at home.
NAFTA CAFTA have been abysmal failures that are only perpetuating the problem.
The downfall of the WTO reveals that all around the world people are speaking out and making a difference.
The more we know... the better off the world's workers will be.
When the workers of the world are treated better, the less they will flood into US, and the basis for most terrorism will become null.....

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The myth of unskilled labor
Posted by: ScottP on Jan 3, 2006 2:20 PM   
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The presumption that many jobs are unskilled smells fishy to me. There's never time to do a job right, but always time to do it twice. Always time to fix the code violation at the construction site, always time to dispose of the ruined produce, always time to get well after eating the contaminated food, always time to fix the broken plumbing. When will we give up on the bargain hunting, and look for real value, as delivered by people who are skilled at what they do and take pride in their work?

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How strong is the public interest in preventing illegal immigration?
Posted by: JoeBackward on Jan 3, 2006 2:28 PM   
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Here's a simple question. How strong is the public interest that makes it so important to prevent illegal immigration?

Is it as strong as the public interest against drug trafficking? If so, let's try employing some of the techniques used in the war on drugs. For example, a farm used for growing illegal drugs is subject to summary confiscation. Why not have the government confiscate farms that are found to employ undocumented harvest workers? Why not have the government confiscate houses that are found to employ undocumented carpenters, gardeners or domestic servants?

This measure would certainly cut illegal immigration: nobody with anything to lose would dare employ an undocumented worker. It would be a lot cheaper than an Israeli-style border fence, as well.

The "world-as-it-should-be" answer to my proposal is obvious: it would be ridiculously draconian to do that. The "world-as-it-is" answer is just as obvious: the politicians (for the most part) who rail against illegal migrants would alienate their political base by proposing severe punishment for the people who EMPLOY those migrants.

But, if the problem is as serious as the proponents of Israeli-style walls and shoot-to-kill border enforcement say it is, then isn't it as serious as the drug war? Doesn't it deserve some measures to get rid of the root causes of migration?

We have to get beyond the hypocrisy of the current immigration system. There's no doubt that the US economy actually needs guest workers. Many European countries manage this situation tolerably well (even if on a smaller scale) with work permits, etc. Why not try it here?

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A former CEO advocates for cheap labor! Shocking!
Posted by: Vyking on Jan 3, 2006 2:48 PM   
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This little gem from the article just encapsulates it all so nicely:

"But a Republican businessman from Fresno, Calif., is proposing a truly thoughtful formula we might start debating. He's Peter Weber, himself an immigrant from Lima, Peru, in 1959. Now retired from CEO-level positions in several major corporations, Weber has plunged into civic leadership roles in Fresno -- a city especially heavily impacted by immigration.

I find it less than noble that a CEO type wants to defend the perks and outrageous salaries of his peers that are made possible by squeezing the wages of the working stiffs. Mr. Weber is exactly the sort of person best served by cheap labor and as a result his proposal just sounds nauseatingly self-serving.

And this nonsense about 'jobs Americans are unwilling to do' is just plain crap.

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Illegal is cool now ...
Posted by: fdr_vindicated on Jan 3, 2006 5:53 PM   
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So why do we crap on these honest, struggling souls who cross our borders "illegally" to support their families in Mexico or wherever? So they broke a USA law? Big deal! We have a federal administration that breaks and flaunts laws every day in the name of " national security."

Maybe we ought to honest and deport the whole bunch of Bushites who are leading our country towards despotism. We would be freer without them

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History's Lesson
Posted by: FedUp on Jan 3, 2006 5:53 PM   
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Every empire that has tried to live in a vacuum has failed. The desire to migrate is as old as man's first foray out of Africa. It wasn't because such a vast continent couldn't sustain its growing human population. It was because of the wonderlust hardwired into the species.
Before anyone attacks this comment, pause and examine the life cycles of All former empires/civilizations and notice that the same arguments were posited as far back as recorded history.
Migrants have always stepped into work vacuums, whether by volition, or thru slavery, or indentured servitude. They were treated like crap by the power wielders who thought they held the moral ground as well. But in the end they all succumbed to the inevitability of change.
I know this is a tough brick to swallow, and there certainly will be arguments based on passion and little solution, but it dosen't negate the reality.
I'm sure the Mexicans were appalled when Anglos started invading and stealing their territory right out from under them too!
So build your Great Wall of China - build your fortified Constantinople - build your Berlin Wall - build your Israeli Gaza Barrier. Go ahead Hadrian! Build a wall and keep those savage Picts out!
The enemy isn't on the outside, trying to get in! He's here; standing so close, you can feel his breath.

As Mammy told Scarlett: "You ain't nevah gonna be no eighteen and a half inches agin - Nevah!
And there ain't nothin' you can do about it."

"No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant."Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

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Freedom of movement
Posted by: Kneel on Jan 4, 2006 3:20 AM   
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The original North American Free Trade Agreement was supposed to include freedom of movement for labor as well as capital. They were able to drop that. We let them.

But that's what we should be moving towards. If corporations are free to hop borders, shouldn't people be as well?

When the EU integrated, there was this big fear that there'd be a flood of Irish and Spanish workers roaring into the more prosperous countries.

What happened instead was that the economies of Ireland and Spain improved.

Be nice if we started looking at the same thing.

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The real problem
Posted by: Doubtom on Jan 5, 2006 3:37 AM   
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Perhaps no other problem benefits from so many different views as to its origins. The problem is Mexico's government! The conditions in Mexico are what pushes the natives of that country to brave so many physical and social elements to seek a better life.

Mexico is a country rich in resources but poor in their distribution; the same age-old problem of many countries, and rapidly becoming one of our own problems.

Not one of our Representatives was sent to Washington to represent Mexico's poor and downtrodden yet we have many proposing cures for this foreign problem along with Mexico's President Vicente Fox trying his damndest to obscure his problems by making sure that his illegal natives get the best possible treatment and hiring an American public relation firm to put the best spin on what amounts to the failures of his government. What's wrong with this picture.

A few dozen illegal entries may be a problem for the Border Patrol but 500,000 per year qualifies as an "invasion" in any language regardless of which country they're invading!

All other issues such as who is hiring the illegals or what conditions can be set up to accomodate them once they're here, are secondary to the main problem.

We have ample problems of our own without having to shoulder Mexico's problem of uneven distribution of wealth.

Our people were doing all the jobs and chores well before Mexicans began their exodus from misery and would be doing them today but for the greed of the people who prefer higher profit margins over social stability and patriotism.

Mexico needs a revolution and that's what is slipping under the radar of the critics, most of whom would rather deal with the "present problem" than spend a bit of time analyzing the real nature of it.

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» RE: The real problem Posted by: FedUp
Mexico, a super power?
Posted by: ftorres on Jan 6, 2006 7:42 AM   
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The only thing that is stopping Mexico from becoming a much stronger nation than it can be is the internal and external political corruption and that goes on both sides of the US-Mexico border. Mexico is nation of 100+ million people and it baffles the mind that a nation with so much resources, and critical ones at that (Oil, gold, silver, man power, etc.,.) can find itself in the conditions it's in. All Mexico has to do to stop it's working class people from going into another county where they face prosecutions, discriminations,robbing them out of their hard earn money and even police murder, is to go into the armament industry and employ all it's young men and women in the military instead of wasting them from a feeding lazy fat, bloated greedy racist nation north of the border.

Mexico's actions will actually help both Mexico and United States, because these angry fat lazy white people (and blacks for that matter) will have to pull their own share of the hard working jobs that Mexican have been doing for decades. That is, if they want to eat.

But before Mexico can even begin to think of going "independent", the political arena will have to change, and change drastically. Going Left is one way, not only Mexico, but the entire Latin America's Southern Hemisphere can achieved those goals. Communism is not an answer to many social, political and economic problems, but capitalism has become a far more deadly game in Latin America. Capitalism in Latin America is not democracy, it's fascism and corruption in the highest order!

Hispanics, as a whole, are a friendly kind people who can adapt to any kind of environment, but that is taken as a character weakness by most people in the United States. But there is also a saying in Latin America that says: "treat another individual with kindness and goodness and he will take advantage of your generosity and will even stab you in the back, but treat him in the same harsh conditions he treats you and he still won't like you, but he will sure in hell respect you!

Are Mexicans going to stoop to that level here in the US in order to get some respect?

Prior to the 1960's, Black people were treated under the same conditions most immigrants are now being treated. During the 1960's and 70's the black communities said, enough of the bullshit and the whole image of black America changed forever, didn't it?

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Immigration
Posted by: rafey on Jan 6, 2006 11:00 AM   
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Illegal immigrants send back $17 Billion (that's right, BILLION dollars) to their native countries yearly ! They also do indeed take full advantage of free social and medical services (I know because that is what I do) that are virtually unavailable to working Americans. They go unreported because doctors are not police. They treat them and forget them. When I was performing my residency in California's Central Valley, I was often asked to order CT Scans and MRIs for therapeutic reasons because many of the immigrants believed that these $6,000.00 a throw devices could actually resolve their headaches (though the devices are used for diagnositc reasons, not for therapy). Additionally, I contiunally encounter illegals who do menial labor and yet manage to purchase expensive land and property for which, they tell me, they do not have to pay taxes! It is said that unemployment is at an all time low. But it is important that one remember that most of those jobs are minimum wage and that one person is often forced to work at three or more of them to make ends meet. So the figure is very misleading. Our living standards have descended miserably over the past 25 years. Only corporations are benefitting from our so-called "economic recovery" and even if there were a recovery in reality, it would be grossly offset by the impossible debt that our great, great grand children will be forced to pay (assuming there is still a nation ... though that is not likely). there should be some kind of compromise as has been stated (we cannot entirely do without the immigrant population) but there also must be severe limits on their use of services and the amount of money they are able send out of the country, on their ability to purchase property, etc. at our expense.

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Do we value American citizenship anymore?
Posted by: illegalbehavior on Jan 8, 2006 7:42 PM   
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Most people who cross that border are just looking for work. But you have to understand that over 100,000 people were apprehended last year who used Mexico as a backdoor to gain entry into the US. Though most are from Latin American countries, there are people from Syria, Iran and China. Because they cannot be deported, these people are released into the US and told to come back after as long as 90 days to see a judge or magistrate. Only 15% return.

Then you have the billion dollar drug industry, of which 98% of all the cocaine comes across Mexico into the states. And what about inoculations? One of fifteen people who cross will have an infectious disease. We have cases of TB, cholera, small pox and every lepracy in this country. Ask someone at CDC about that.

It comes down to devaluing US Citizenship by continually rewarding people who break the law and do not have accountability. It has nothing to do with race; it has to do with conflicts that exist between city, state and federal law.

Mexico is a third-world country that sends over 2,000 to 4,000 people daily and these aren't professors and doctors either. Do you, as an American citizen, really think the quality of life in America will improve by the number of low class/low skilled workers who cross into our country every year? Do you think, as undocumented workers, they are entitled to every freedom a citizen should have and be granted free healthcare? Do you believe they should not be accountability and that they do not commit crimes? Would you let undocumented worker children (who have obviously not been inoculated) sit in classrooms with your kids and let the whole class be held back because these children are ESL?

While we do have a need for low wage workers, illegal immigration is making more of an impact on everyone's daily life and it's not for the better. America is the greatest country on earth and I can't blame anyone for wanting to cross. American citizenship is sacred, we enjoy freedoms that a lot of people don't have and enjoy a quality of life that few people know. Giving safe haven to people just for the purpose of civil rights or feeling sorry for them or "jobs that Americans won't do" etc. is just plain foolish. Go to Central California about that...ask a farmer about the issue. He'll tell you the illegals are gone, moving into service and construction.

Get off the couch and go find out for yourself!

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